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Ignacio López de Elizalde & Maria Cano

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Hello, does anyone have any information on Ignacio López de Elizalde & Maria Cano? I have hit a road block.

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Published by Ruben Hdez – Fri, 2016-10-21 08:10 | Permalink

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Hi Vanessa,

Here is the christening record of Ignacio:

"Mexico Baptisms, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NBM8-8VN : 2 January 2015), Nicolas Lopez in entry for Ygnacio Lopez Ortega, 07 Apr 1659; citing SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS, LAGOS DE MORENO, JALISCO, MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 221,404.

Name: Ygnacio Lopez Ortega
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 07 Apr 1659
Christening Place: SANTA MARIA DE LOS LAGOS, LAGOS DE MORENO, JALISCO, MEXICO
Father's Name: Nicolas Lopez
Mother's Name: Jna. De Ortega
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60412-1
System Origin: Mexico-ODM
GS Film number: 221404

I hope it helps in your search.

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Thank you so much for the information. My only question is how can I be sure that these are his parents/this is him and not another person by the same name? I was unable to find a marriage document for Ygnacio and Maria Cano.

Diego Gonzalez Vega (gonzalez hermosillo)

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Hola a todos!!!!

Después de algunos años de haber dejado en pausa; estoy retomando mi investigación. Pero tengo algunas dudas con las que espero puedan ayudarme.

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Published by dcalonso – Tue, 2016-10-18 20:34 | Permalink

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I've never heard that before. But, if you look on google books, several people are listed as Mayordomo of Juana la loca and none of them are named Diego Gonzalez Vega. The only one named Diego is named Diego Reinoso.

Danny C. Alonso

ALESSANDRO VITELA

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Does anyone have ALESSANDRO VITELA's email address?

ALESSANDRO VITELA was once a member of nuestrosranchos.orgmunity.

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Published by Steve G. Apodaca – Mon, 2016-10-17 20:18 | Permalink

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Hello, Mr. Ricci. I am related to Alessandro Vitela through our common ancestors Jose Antonio Apodaca and Cornelia Rosalia Ayala, married in Sayula, Jalisco on May 30, 1814. I also strongly believe that we may have common Castro ancestors from Zacoalco.

I've been in contact with him and he's on my facebook list. I just sent him your message and I hope to hear from him soon. I'll let you know.

Steve in NC

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Dear Steve,

I used some of my searching skills to track him down. I sent him an email and he responded last night. I provided him with the info, and some threads that may provide more information. He was grateful and asked me to send him my book when I finish it. My book has a few chapters on the Cervantes as I have found much information on this family that is not found in already published books.

Thanks,
Rick A.Ricci

P.S. This is the second time this month that I tracked down someone that used to be part of the nuestrosranchos.orgmunity. The first time I asked police officers to deliver my message. I have yet to receive a response except that the police officers say that he said he was recovering from a recent surgery and that was why he wasn't responding to email messages or phone calls.

It was a welcome exercise tracking down live people for a change.

Diego de Estrada (son of Diego de Estrada) & Sebastiana Montano - Dispensation Record - 1724

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Hi Everyone,
Here's the dispensation record for Diego de Estrada II and Sebastiana Montaño dated 1724.

upload
Dispensation - Diego de Estrada & Sebastiana Montano - 1724 - Pg.1.jpg (1.43 MB)
Dispensation - Diego de Estrada & Sebastiana Montano - 1724 - Pg.2.jpg (1.68 MB)
Dispensation - Diego de Estrada & Sebastiana Montano - 1724 - Pg.3.jpg (1.81 MB)
Dispensation - Diego de Estrada & Sebastiana Montano - 1724 - Pg.4.jpg (1.67 MB)

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Mon, 2016-10-17 18:00 | Permalink

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Dear Joe,

This document helps a lot.

Thank you for your work and for sharing,

Rick A. Ricci

xalos68

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Hola, yo me llamo Martha Gomez y tengo a la mayoria de mis antepasaso en tepatitlan jalisco.

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Published by salvagr – Thu, 2011-06-30 09:28 | Permalink

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Hola :

No tengo el gusto pero aqui voy, tres de los hijos de Francisco y Thomasa de casaron en Lagos de moreno, la primera fue Maria Manuela , que se casó con Nicolas Gonzales de Rovalcaba( es como esta en el archibo historico)este era viudo y un hijo de su primera esposa Ignacio Gonzales de Robalcaba issasi se casó con Juana Gertrudis Gtz. despues del tercero fué Miguel Antonio Gutierres, que se caso con una hija de Nicolas Gonzales y Maria Manuela , ella era Juana Maria Gonzales Gutierres; de Don Francisco , efectivamente, enviudo y se caso nuevamente en Jalos.
saludos

Published by Sergio – Mon, 2010-03-08 18:51 | Permalink

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Hola Martha,

Ando en busca de la familia de Francisco Gtz y Juana de Lomelin. Ellos murieron el la Hacienda del Salto en Tepa. Tuvieron cuatro hijos

1. Lazaro Gutierrez de Hermosillo (I), no se la fecha y donde nacio, posiblemente en Tepa o en Cuquio, quien casa con Ines de la Mora en Ocotlan. Tuvieron cinco hijos:
a. Lazaro Gutierrez de Hermosillo (II), no se fecha y donde nacio, quien casa con Theresa Ximenez de Padilla en Jalos en 1715.
b. Maria Samora, nace en Ocotlan 1685.
c. Francisco Gutierrez Samora, nace en Ocotlan 1687.
d. Gaspar de los Reyes Gutierrez de Hermosillo, nace en Cuquio 1695.
e. Juan de los Santos Gutierres de Hermosillo, nace en Cuquio circa 1698

2. Leonor de Hermosillo
3. Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo
4. Francisca Gutierrez de Hermosillo

Mi linea paternal llega a Francisco Gtz (casado con Juana Lomelin) a traves de Lazaro (II) y Lazaro (I).

Si tiene datas sobre estas familias me ayudaria a llenar los huecos que tengo en mi arbol.

Gracias

Sergio Gutierrez
"xalos68"

Published by Martha Gomez – Wed, 2010-03-10 23:00 | Permalink

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HOLA , SERGIO COMO ESTAS?

BUENO ME TARDE EN CONTESTARTE PORQUE CASI SIEMPRE ESTOY MUY OCUPADA PERO COMO ME ENCANTA LA GENEALOGIA ESTABA MIRANDO TU E MAIL Y YO NO TENGO EN MI ARBOL A ESAS PERSONAS QUE MENCIONAS TAL VEZ SEAN PARIENTES PERO NO TENGO LA CONECCION EXACTA PERO TE VOY A DECIR ALGUNAS FECHAS Y NOMBRES POR SI TE SIRVEN:

HIJOS DE LAZARO GUTIERREZ Y THERESA XIMENEZ ( QUE A VESES XIMENES LO ENCUENTRAS ASI  GIMENEZ) PERO ES LO MISMO NOMASQUE TIENES QUE CHECAR SI SON LAS MISMAS PERSONAS. EN ESTE CASO CREO QUE SI.

DIEGO MIGUEL GUTIERREZ XIMENES BAUTIZADO EL 7 JUN DE 1731 EN NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION EN JALOSTOTITLAN JALISCO MEXICO EL MICROFILM ES 279255  LUEGO A ROSA MARIA DE JESUS GUTIERREZ  EL 25 DE ENERO DE 1728 EN EL MISMO LUGAR Y ESTA EN EL MISMO MICROFILM. LUEGO ESTA FRANCISCO GUTIERREZ DE HERMOSILLO CASADO CON THOMASA ( QUE YO CREO QUE FRANCISCO Y LAZARO DEBEN SER HERMANOS) ELLOS TAMBIEN ESTAN BAUTIZANDO A UNA NINA LLAMADA JUANA ANA JOCHINA GUTIERREZ GARCIA EL 10 DE JULIO DE 1726 EN EL MISMO LUGAR Y ESTA EN EL MISMO NUMERO DE MICROFILM.

LUEGO HAY OTRO  NINO NACIDO DE FRANCISCO GUTIERREZ DE HERMOSILLO PERO CON OTRA MUJER LLAMADA MARIA DOLORES GOMEZ DE MENDOZA EL NINO SE LLAMA CRISTOBAL JOAQUIN DE SAN NICOLAS GUTIERREZ Y LO BAUTIZAN EL 21 DE SEPTIEMBRE DE 1731. EN ESTA CASO SI LOS DOS FRANCISCOS SON EL MISMO LO UNICO QUE SE ME OCURRE ES QUE ENVIUDO Y SE VOLVIO A CASAR.( RECUERDA QUE EN ESOS TIEMPOS QUEDABAN VIUDOS MUY JOVENES PORQUE SUS ESPOSAS SE MORIAN EN EL PARTO)

Y BUENO YA NO QUIERO ESCRIBIRTE DANDOTE OTROS DATOS PORQUE ALOMEJOR YA LOS TIENES PERO SI QUIERES SABER QUIENES ERAN LOS PAPAS DE LAZARO GUTIERREZ Y THERESA XIMENES SOLO MIRA LAS ACTAS DE BAUTISMO Y AHI PROBABLEMENTE VA A DECIR EL NOMBRE DE LOS ABUELOS DE LOS NINOS. Y TAMBIEN CHECA EN EL REGISTRO CIVIL CON LAS FECHAS QUE TE DI Y ASI VAS A IR LLEGANDO A MAS PERSONAS EN TU LINEA.

DONDE VIVES? EN MEXICO O EN ESTADOS UNIDOS?  Y TAMBIEN SI SABES A QUE ME REFIERO CUANDO DIGO MICROFILMS?

Y ES FACIL PARA TI CONSEGUIRLOS Y MIRARLOS?

BUENO AHI ME DICES OK?

MI FAMILIA ES GUTIERREZ SON DE TEPATITLAN JALISCO Y DE ACATIC JALISCO PERO TENGO A UN MIGUEL GUTIERREZ Y NO SE EXACTAMENTE DONDE NACIO YO ME SUPONGO QUE EN TEPATITLAN PERO NO ESTOY SEGURA , PERO LA MAYORIA ERAN DE AHI .

MARTHA GOMEZ.

----- Original Message -----
From: xalos68@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2010 6:51:32 PM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] xalos68

Hola Martha,

Ando en busca de la familia de Francisco Gtz y Juana de Lomelin. Ellos murieron el la Hacienda del Salto en Tepa. Tuvieron cuatro hijos

1. Lazaro Gutierrez de Hermosillo (I), no se la fecha y donde nacio, posiblemente en Tepa o en Cuquio, quien casa con Ines de la Mora en Ocotlan. Tuvieron cinco hijos:
a. Lazaro Gutierrez de Hermosillo (II), no se fecha y donde nacio, quien casa con Theresa Ximenez de Padilla en Jalos en 1715.
b. Maria Samora, nace en Ocotlan 1685.
c. Francisco Gutierrez Samora, nace en Ocotlan 1687.
d. Gaspar de los Reyes Gutierrez de Hermosillo, nace en Cuquio 1695.
e. Juan de los Santos Gutierres de Hermosillo, nace en Cuquio circa 1698

2. Leonor de Hermosillo
3. Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo
4. Francisca Gutierrez de Hermosillo

Mi linea paternal llega a Francisco Gtz (casado con Juana Lomelin) a traves de Lazaro (II) y Lazaro (I).

Si tiene datas sobre estas familias me ayudaria a llenar los huecos que tengo en mi arbol.

Gracias
 
Sergio Gutierrez
"xalos68"

Published by Martha Gomez – Sun, 2010-03-07 18:15 | Permalink

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Hola Alessandro,
bueno yo tengo a JUANA DEL ROSARIO YBARRA NAVARRO HIJA DE ROMAN YBARRA PADILLA Y ROSARIO NAVARRO HERNANDEZ Y LUEGO A JOSE MARIA NAVARRO FRANCO CASADO CON MARIA DEL CARMEN HERNANDEZ GONZALEZ Y LUEGO A GREGORIO NAVARRO CASADO CON MARIA DOLORES FRANCO SEGUN YO TODOS NACIDOS EN TEPATITLAN JALISCO TAMBIEN A PETRA NAVARRO ACEVES A JOSE EPIGMENIO NAVARRO Y ALGUNOS QUE SON NAVARRO ANGULO Y CREO QUE ELLOS YA NACIERON EN GUADALAJARA SI TE SIRVE ALGUNO DE ESTOS DIME Y TE PASO DATOS MAS CONCRETOS O PASAME ALGUN NOMBRE Y YO CHECO

BUENO OJALA TE SIRVAN

MARTHA GOMEZ

----- Original Message -----
From: "ALESSANDRO VITELA-TOSCANO"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sunday, March 7, 2010 11:50:47 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] xalos68

HOla Martha Gomez: Yo soy Alessandro Vitela y hago genealogia desde hace varios años. Soy miembro de este grupo tambien desde hace tiempo pero por cuestiones de trabajo no participo mucho. No obstante, leo todos los correos que postean y guardo los que considero utiles. Me llamó la atención que tienes la famlia NAVARRO de Tepatitlan, yo en mi genealogía tengo esa familia también desde La Barca, he encontrado algunos mimebros de esa familia tambien en Tepa, Atotonilco y hay mas lugares como Villa de Guadalupe donde se que hay Navarros. Me gustaría saber si tenemos alguna linea en común o conectamos con algún antepasado. Mi linea de Navarro comienza con Maria Francisca Rosalia Navarro que nacio aprox. en 1745 y caso con Eleuterio Valdivia el 8 Feb 1766 en La Barca. A esta pareja le encontré hasta ahora 7 hijos desde 1771 hasta 1785 en Atotonilco y La Barca.

 

Tengo también otra linea de Navarro en la zona de Ocotla-La Barca, se trata de Maria Nasaria Navarro nacida aprox. 1790 aparentemente en La Barca también, ella caso con Encarnación Cervantes, de los cuales tengo 5 hijos nacidos en La Barca.

 

Ojalá haya algo que podamos compartir.

 

Saludos  

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

 

> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:03:48 +0000
> From: mgomez42@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] xalos68
>
>
>
>
> Hola, yo me llamo Martha Gomez y tengo a la mayoria de mis antepasaso en tepatitlan jalisco. y son Gutierrez , Navarro , Aceves, Hernandez, Rubio.Ybarra, Gonzalez,
>
> asi que yo pienso que tu y yo tenemos antepasados en comun si quieres mandame un poquito de tus antepasados para ver si los tenemos en comun ok?
>

Published by viteliky (not verified) – Sun, 2010-03-07 12:00 | Permalink

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HOla Martha Gomez: Yo soy Alessandro Vitela y hago genealogia desde hace varios años. Soy miembro de este grupo tambien desde hace tiempo pero por cuestiones de trabajo no participo mucho. No obstante, leo todos los correos que postean y guardo los que considero utiles. Me llamó la atención que tienes la famlia NAVARRO de Tepatitlan, yo en mi genealogía tengo esa familia también desde La Barca, he encontrado algunos mimebros de esa familia tambien en Tepa, Atotonilco y hay mas lugares como Villa de Guadalupe donde se que hay Navarros. Me gustaría saber si tenemos alguna linea en común o conectamos con algún antepasado. Mi linea de Navarro comienza con Maria Francisca Rosalia Navarro que nacio aprox. en 1745 y caso con Eleuterio Valdivia el 8 Feb 1766 en La Barca. A esta pareja le encontré hasta ahora 7 hijos desde 1771 hasta 1785 en Atotonilco y La Barca.

Tengo también otra linea de Navarro en la zona de Ocotla-La Barca, se trata de Maria Nasaria Navarro nacida aprox. 1790 aparentemente en La Barca también, ella caso con Encarnación Cervantes, de los cuales tengo 5 hijos nacidos en La Barca.

Ojalá haya algo que podamos compartir.

Saludos

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 06:03:48 +0000
> From: mgomez42@comcast.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] xalos68
>
>
>
>
> Hola, yo me llamo Martha Gomez y tengo a la mayoria de mis antepasaso en tepatitlan jalisco. y son Gutierrez , Navarro , Aceves, Hernandez, Rubio.Ybarra, Gonzalez,
>
> asi que yo pienso que tu y yo tenemos antepasados en comun si quieres mandame un poquito de tus antepasados para ver si los tenemos en comun ok?
>

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2016-10-15 22:53 | Permalink

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Dear ALESSANDRO VITELA,

Many years ago you asked for the parents of Encarnacion Cervantes and Maria Nazaria Navarro

Jose Encarnacion Cervantes is the son of Juan Agustin Cervantes. i believe his mother is Maria Del Carmen (Carmel) Santa Cruz.

Maria Nasaria Navarro Napoles is the daughter of Juan Joseph Navarro and Juana Maria Napoles. She was baptized on 8/August/1779.

Maria Nasaria's brother, Jose Antonio Navarro and his wife Maria Feliciana Barragan are the godparents to one of Nazaria's sons.

Maria Nasaria Navarro Napoles
Mexico Baptisms
Name Maria Nasaria Navarro Napoles
Gender Female
Christening Date 08 Aug 1779
Christening Place JAMAY,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Jph. Navarro
Mother's Name Juana Napoles

Rick A. Ricci

Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara ancestral line

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I am including this email both to the group and to you. The
nuestrosranchos.org group is absolutely FREE. I have never asked anyone
to submit 14 generations and sometimes I've accepted as few as 1

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Published by arturoramos – Thu, 2009-04-09 14:34 | Permalink

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Juan Andres:

As Joseph points out, you need not supply your entire genealogy in order to join the group. I think it is necessary for you to share part of it, however, in order for others to confirm whether they share the same lineages as you. Of course once you make that connection, you are free to collaborate as much or as little as you want with those individuals.

I have found that group members in general are very generous with their research, particularly with others who share their lineages.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Mon, 2009-03-23 09:03 | Permalink

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To Juan
l have connected the Cervantes line to my other work on the enriquez de castillo line.
I also found that the two cervantes lines are actually two branches from the same trunk.
I only recently started looking at this branch again.
I descend from Juan de Villasenor Orozco and Catalina Cervantes y Lara Andrada.
Catalina's grandfather, Diego Cervantes, married to Guiomar de Tello is related to the other giant cervantes family. When the two cervantes joined in a marriage there was an acknowledgement of the bride's father that they come from two branches of the same cervantes family.
I would like to hear/see more of your family tree to see how it connects to my tree.
R.A.Ricci

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RICCI:

I do have a CERVANTES branch in my tree and I'd like to know where is your Cervantes line from?. My branch is located in Ocotlan-La Barca Jal. area. I'd like to know if it matches with you. My ancestors in this family are:

Eduviges CERVANTES was born 1837 in Sta Clara, Ocotlan, married to Geronimo MACIAS.

Eduviges' C. parents were Miguel Cervantes (b. 4 Oct 1808 La Barca) and Ana Maria ZUÑIGA (b. 1817 Sta Clara, Ocotlan), married on 28 abr 1834 in Ocotlan

Grandparents were: Encarnacion CERVANTES and Maria Nasaria NAVARRO (HAVE NOT further info)

Ricardo Zuñiga and Rosalia Raso (married on 9 Jun 1816 in Ocotlan, Jal).

I´d like to know if you have these people in your database and can help getting more informaction of them.

Best wishes

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: rricci@lausd.net
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:03:25 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villasenor/cervantes line
>
>
> To Juan
> l have connected the Cervantes line to my other work on the enriquez de castillo line.
> I also found that the two cervantes lines are actually two branches from the same trunk.
> I only recently started looking at this branch again.
> I descend from Juan de Villasenor Orozco and Catalina Cervantes y Lara Andrada.
> Catalina's grandfather, Diego Cervantes, married to Guiomar de Tello is related to the other giant cervantes family. When the two cervantes joined in a marriage there was an acknowledgement of the bride's father that they come from two branches of the same cervantes family.
> I would like to hear/see more of your family tree to see how it connects to my tree.
> R.A.Ricci

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Due to family health issues I am currently limited in continuing my work in genealogy. I am also a teacher and the beginning and end of the semesters are consumed by paperwork. I do have some information about the cervantes line that I am researching but not at the moment. the library that I use is also closed for at least 6 months due to renovation.
Sorry that I can't help you more at the moment
Rick Ricci

________________________________

From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of ALESSANDRO VITELA-TOSCANO
Sent: Thu 4/9/2009 8:44 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villasenor/cervantes line

RICCI:

I do have a CERVANTES branch in my tree and I'd like to know where is your Cervantes line from?. My branch is located in Ocotlan-La Barca Jal. area. I'd like to know if it matches with you. My ancestors in this family are:

Eduviges CERVANTES was born 1837 in Sta Clara, Ocotlan, married to Geronimo MACIAS.

Eduviges' C. parents were Miguel Cervantes (b. 4 Oct 1808 La Barca) and Ana Maria ZUÑIGA (b. 1817 Sta Clara, Ocotlan), married on 28 abr 1834 in Ocotlan

Grandparents were: Encarnacion CERVANTES and Maria Nasaria NAVARRO (HAVE NOT further info)

Ricardo Zuñiga and Rosalia Raso (married on 9 Jun 1816 in Ocotlan, Jal).

I´d like to know if you have these people in your database and can help getting more informaction of them.

Best wishes

LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA

Ser de Luz!!!

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: rricci@lausd.net
> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:03:25 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villasenor/cervantes line
>
>
> To Juan
> l have connected the Cervantes line to my other work on the enriquez de castillo line.
> I also found that the two cervantes lines are actually two branches from the same trunk.
> I only recently started looking at this branch again.
> I descend from Juan de Villasenor Orozco and Catalina Cervantes y Lara Andrada.
> Catalina's grandfather, Diego Cervantes, married to Guiomar de Tello is related to the other giant cervantes family. When the two cervantes joined in a marriage there was an acknowledgement of the bride's father that they come from two branches of the same cervantes family.
> I would like to hear/see more of your family tree to see how it connects to my tree.
> R.A.Ricci

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Dear ALESSANDRO VITELA,

Many years ago you asked for the parents of Encarnacion Cervantes and Maria Nazaria Navarro

Jose Encarnacion Cervantes is the son of Juan Agustin Cervantes. i believe his mother is Maria Del Carmen (Carmel) Santa Cruz.

Maria Nasaria Navarro Napoles is the daughter of Juan Joseph Navarro and Juana Maria Napoles. She was baptized on 8/August/1779.

Maria Nasaria's brother, Jose Antonio Navarro and his wife Maria Feliciana Barragan are the godparents to one of Nazaria's sons.

Maria Nasaria Navarro Napoles
Mexico Baptisms
Name Maria Nasaria Navarro Napoles
Gender Female
Christening Date 08 Aug 1779
Christening Place JAMAY,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Jph. Navarro
Mother's Name Juana Napoles

Rick A. Ricci

Published by Felipe Michel Olmo – Mon, 2007-09-24 20:30 | Permalink

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Joseph,

As you are aware, I became member of nuestrosranchos.org very recently. From
the little that I have seen so far, without doubt that my research has been
very limited. Specifically, I am counting in my family tree 218 individuals
with the Michel surname (me included) and only 5 with the Villaseñor
surname. About 70-80% (fortunately me included) are alive. These individuals
are scattered over 8 generations. Not all individuals for each of the
generations are fully identified yet. My ancestors were born in the state of
Jalisco, mostly Autlan de Navarro.

As you may conclude, without doubt I would be interested in contacting my
most-probably-relative Juan Andres Michel. But also without doubt that my
piece of sharing would not be commensurate with Juan Andres´.

When I was a kid I used to collect cards with Disney characters. After many
months of hard work my collection was almost complete, about 95%. Then I met
a girl who was starting her own collection, and she had the ones I needed
badly. Bottom line, I was able to complete my collection. You will surely
guess the morale of my story...

Saludos ¡¡

Felipe Michel Olmo

>From: Joseph Puentes
>Reply-To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara ancestral line
>Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 18:13:58 -0400
>
>
>I am including this email both to the group and to you. The
>nuestrosranchos.org group is absolutely FREE. I have never asked anyone
>to submit 14 generations and sometimes I've accepted as few as 1
>generation for those that are new to genealogy. I don't know if there
>are individuals in the group studying exactly these lines but I'll know
>in a few days as the messages circulate among the members. I've not
>considered a person for membership based on the trade system you are
>proposing. Of course there are individuals in the group that probably
>thought the same thoughts you are verbally expressing. If anyone in the
>group replies I'll certainly put you in contact with those individuals
>if they request to communicate with you, but I'll need to think about
>your request for membership as your terms have activated my concern
>related to "what is best for the group".
>
>I'll let you know.
>
>joseph
>
>====================
>
>Joseph Puentes
>http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
>http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>http://H2Opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
>http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
>
>
>
>
>
>Joseph,
>
>I meant to ask you if this is going to come down to making payments for
>information. I hope not since I am willing to share my research on the
>condition that they lay open theirs for me to see. As I told you
>before, I have 14 generations of research on my father's side to share
>but on an equal basis. Of most importance is the research on the
>Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara ancestral line. If they have nothing on
>this then I may have to reconsider because what I will make know has
>been researched for many years by the Micheles of Jalisco under the
>leadership Padre Salvadore Michel of Guadalajara a descendent of Pedro
>Regalado Michel Corona. When you speak to the researchers ask them if
>they can assist me with research on Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara
>ancestral line which connects with Perez de Alencastre line that
>connects with the Micheles of Tonaya and beyond. It is at this juncture
>of my research, Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara that I am stymied and would
>like to move on if possible. If they can help with this I am willing to
>help them as well
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Juan Andres Michel
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Published by longsjourney – Mon, 2007-09-24 16:00 | Permalink

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I have to smile at the thought of only submitting certain portions of my research in exchange for information from others. I don't know what part of Mexico is being requested for these lines. I do have Villasenor and Lopez de Lara from Zapotlan El Grande and Tamazula Jalisco. Since I've had problems with the gedcom I would suggest you check on Rootsweb.com where I submitted all my research in the hopes of helping others to reconnect with their ancestors. I hope I have something that will contribute to your research also. If not, then hopefully someone else will connect. Good luck in your search.

Linda in B.C.

Joseph Puentes wrote:

I am including this email both to the group and to you. The
nuestrosranchos.org group is absolutely FREE. I have never asked anyone
to submit 14 generations and sometimes I've accepted as few as 1
generation for those that are new to genealogy. I don't know if there
are individuals in the group studying exactly these lines but I'll know
in a few days as the messages circulate among the members. I've not
considered a person for membership based on the trade system you are
proposing. Of course there are individuals in the group that probably
thought the same thoughts you are verbally expressing. If anyone in the
group replies I'll certainly put you in contact with those individuals
if they request to communicate with you, but I'll need to think about
your request for membership as your terms have activated my concern
related to "what is best for the group".

I'll let you know.

joseph

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Joseph,

I meant to ask you if this is going to come down to making payments for
information. I hope not since I am willing to share my research on the
condition that they lay open theirs for me to see. As I told you
before, I have 14 generations of research on my father's side to share
but on an equal basis. Of most importance is the research on the
Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara ancestral line. If they have nothing on
this then I may have to reconsider because what I will make know has
been researched for many years by the Micheles of Jalisco under the
leadership Padre Salvadore Michel of Guadalajara a descendent of Pedro
Regalado Michel Corona. When you speak to the researchers ask them if
they can assist me with research on Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara
ancestral line which connects with Perez de Alencastre line that
connects with the Micheles of Tonaya and beyond. It is at this juncture
of my research, Villasenor/Cervantes y Lara that I am stymied and would
like to move on if possible. If they can help with this I am willing to
help them as well

Sincerely,

Juan Andres Michel

Francisco Delgadillo y Anna María Ruiz

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Hi,
Is any one out here researching the Delgadillo's of Aguatinta, Lo De Carrera, Nochistlán, Mechoacanejo y Teocaltiche? Or can Help us locate missing information?

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Fri, 2016-10-14 20:19 | Permalink

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Dear Sis,

You only provided limited information on this couple. Please provide more information as we may be able to see some clues that you may have missed. What are the names of their children, and what records do you have on them? Do you know of any siblings of Francisco and Ana Maria? I did find someone that may be your Ana Maria, but would need more information to see if they are the same person. The person I found was baptized in 1751 which may have been late since you say that she was born circa 1745.

Thanks,
R.A. Ricci

Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Fri, 2016-10-14 15:00 | Permalink

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Hi SIS,

I notice there's a Francisco Delgadillo married to Anna Maria de Sandoval, who lived in Nochistlan. They baptized children in Jul 1766 & Feb 1773, while your Francisco Delgadillo and Anna Maria Ruiz baptized their children in Aug 1769, Jul 1771, Nov 1776 & Sep 1781. Chances are, they are the same couple. It wasn't unusual for women to use different surnames (usually a maternal surname), so you might want to track them; check which rancho their children were born on, and who the padrinos are, and see if they coincide with those of Francisco Delgadillo cc Anna Maria Ruiz.

Francisco Delgadillo married Anna Maria de Sandoval, 19 Sep 1765, Nochistllan: he was son of Diego Delgadillo cc Juana Marcela de Frias, and she daughter of Cristobal? Sandoval cc Anna Rodriguez.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZXX-1VQ
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TQ9W-PW?i=123&wc=3P9F-K6D

Good luck!
Manny Diez Hermosillo

PS Francisco Delgadillo who married Ana Maria Sandoval uses "Diego Delgadillo" on this baptism record for Joseph Claudio:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N8QK-3ZR

Our Lady of the Assumption Church, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, Mexico

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Can someone please tell me if this church is Presbyterian? I can't read Spanish, and I have a lot of marriages and baptismal records for my family.

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Hello & Hola!

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Hola primos! I'm a new member here, and I'm really excited to share my discoveries and learn from all of you. My name's Eduardo and I live in San Jose, California.

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Published by longsjourney – Tue, 2016-09-20 09:45 | Permalink

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Welcome to the site where we share, learn and grow.

Have you posted your tree yet. My maternal lines lived in Tamazula, Ciudad Gusman and migrated to the U.S. in 1924.
Linda Castanon-Long

Jalisco lines: Gutierrez, Munguia, Mendez, Villanueva and others.

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Laurie

Log onto NR.

Sellect the "Files" menu option at the top of the page, then select "Member Genealogy Files." Select your name from the list, then select the "Edit" tab, and it pretty self-explanatory from that point.

You can add some text and upload any files you wish.

George

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Published by arturdeleon – Tue, 2016-10-11 17:07 | Permalink

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Ancestry.com has different levels of subscriptions, the Basic, U.S. searches only, World and another level. I found the difference the hard way, I was not able to search my lineage in Mexico until I spoke with Ancestry and they apprise me of the
different levels and cost associated with each level. I also considered getting an expert researcher and found that my pockets are not that deep. I have been a World level client for about 6 years, even had my DNA tested. The downside to DNA
and matches is that most Matches are not interested , unless your tree claims, pure Spanish heritage and royal lineage. I made a trip to Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes and collected a sizable amount of information which help me built my tree, however, not everybody is interested in his her heritage. I have many living relative in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes and Zacatecas, support from them is either none to NADA. Suggest get as much information from your living relatives, purchase the next higher level ask for help, but you will find out, the responsibility is all your. Good Luck.

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I had subscription to Ancestry since 2009 and fairly happy with what they offer. Their prices have doubled since 2009 when it cost $100 dollars a year and now its $300.00 a year. They partnered with Fold3 and Newspapers.com, these two are added to your ancestry account as part of the package. I already have the two mentioned as separate accounts with those companies. I purchase the 6 month Ancestry plan for $149.00 which still gives me full access worldwide records and Mexico. Since Ancestry recently added millions of new records, I have found many new exciting records on my ancestors. I think it's worth it for me since I've had much success with records from Mexico. AND you are correct that people seem only interested is the Espanol or royalty lineage. I've had a belly full of them. I now have my tree locked and require they contact me if they are serious about exchanging information. They are more afraid to admit they have mulato or black lineage. I'm talking about my own raza, the Mexican. They have turned their backs on me since I discovered our lineage has mulatos and possibly a black slave.

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Winonade14,

What you say is so true. I found out that many folks are not interested in their genealogy, and they wonder why we want to go to court houses, libraries, cemeteries, etc.

I have received more help from several educated, articulate members here in Nuestros Ranchos that live in the area who have common ancestors than from any online websites. Those people are always willing to share their family trees. Those websites like Ancestry and even Family Search are more like repositories of documents. When those documents turn out hard to read, someone in NR is always willing to translate them for us.

Emilie

Port Orchard, WA

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From: Research on behalf of winonade14@sbcglobal.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 5:07 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ancestry.com

Ancestry.com has different levels of subscriptions, the Basic, U.S. searches
only, World and another level. I found the difference the hard way, I was not
able to search my lineage in Mexico until I spoke with Ancestry and they
apprise me of the different levels and cost associated with each level. I
also considered getting an expert researcher and found that my pockets are
not that deep. I have been a World level client for about 6 years, even had
my DNA tested. The downside to DNA and matches is that most Matches are not
interested , unless your tree claims, pure Spanish heritage and royal
lineage. I made a trip to Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes and collected a
sizable amount of information which help me built my tree, however, not
everybody is interested in his her heritage. I have many living relative in
Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes and Zacatecas, support from them is either
none to NADA. Suggest get as much information from your living relatives,
purchase the next higher level ask for help, but you will find out, the
responsibility is all your. Good Luck.

Ancestry.mx from USA?

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I recently let my Ancestry.com subscription lapse because of the cost and a lack of relevant new databases there. I've pretty much tapped out that site over the years.

Looking for a Prueba de nobleza y limpieza de sangre

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I have connected myself to the Ramirez Cornejo family. I found a mention in Holcombe's papers. One of the sources is

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Published by gpf13 – Mon, 2016-10-10 10:50 | Permalink

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Alex

I've tried to find a similar document referenced on one of Jaime Holcomb's family group sheets, but with no luck.

George Fulton

Diego de Estrada Bocanegra y Munoz de la Barba: Document Images

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Diego de Estrada

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I have some new info on Diego de Estrada who was married to Antonia Gomez de Espejo Velasco.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Thu, 2016-07-21 01:28 | Permalink

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Diego Estrada-Bocanegra y Muñoz de la Barba Is the son of Pedro de Estrada-Bocanegra y Flores-Rubin and Ana Muñoz de la Barba.

Pedro is born in 1632 in Jalostotitlan. He is the son of Andrés de Estrada-Bocanegra and Luisa Flores-Rubin. Pedro's wife is Andrea Rodriguez-Becerra y Galindo. Pedro's children from Ana Muñoz de la Barba are illegitimate.

Luisa Flores-Rubin is the daughter of Pedro Álvarez de Montemayor and Anna Flores-Rubin.

Ana Flores-Rubin is the daughter of Conquistador Francisco Perez and Francisca Flores

Andres de Estrada-Bocanegra is the son of Bernardino Estrada (el Viejo) and Beatriz de Andrada Bocanegra

Bernardino Estrada-Bocanegra is the son of Conquistador Francisco de Estrada

Conquistador Francisco de Estrada is the son of Juan Sanchez de Estrada.

Diego Estrada-Bocanegra y Muñoz de la Barba may have been married twice. More research is needed to confirm the second marriage. Diego's first wife is Maria Antonia Gomez de Espexo
I have other Estrada-Bocanegra lines that I descend from.

R.A.Ricci

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I descend from Diego de Estrada 1672-1752 and Antonia Gomez de Espejo 1674-1722.
Their son Juan Gomez de Estrada 1697-1744 m.1729 Maria Rubio 1709-1785.
Their son Juan Manuel Gomez de Estrada 1730-1781 m.1752 Francisca de Puga 17??-17??.
Sometime in the mid 1750's Juan Manuel Gomez de Estrada began using his mother's maiden name, Rubio. This name change begins to appear on their daughter's, Juana Gertrudis, baptismal entry in Tepatitlan dated 1759.

Thereafter, two of their sons began using the last name Rubio.
Joseph Domingo Rubio 1757-17?? m.1787 Ana Dolores Padilla 17??-17??
Jose Manuel Rubio abt.1764-18?? m.1785 Maria Josefa Franco 17??-1832.

Another son, Jose Ylario 1756-17??, continued to use Gomez de Estrada. He married Maria del Rosario Velsquez in 1779.

I descend from Jose Manuel Rubio and Maria Josefa Franco.

These Rubio's lived in Mariche and Rincon de Velsquez within the Tepatitlan area.

Their son was Jose Francisco Rubio 1785-18?? m.1814 Juana Maria Agapita Placencia 1796-1834.
To which they had Jose Gertrudis Rubio 1823-19?? m. Maria Eucevia Yniguez 1823-18??.
Jose Gertrudis Rubio seems to have picked up stakes and traveled below Lake Chapala. Some of his sons, one being Jose de la Luz Rubio 1854-1910? m.1879 Daria de Anda 1864-1899, went with him.

Jose de la Luz and Daria de Anda had children in Tizapan el Alto, Tuxcueca, Teocuitatlan and finally arriving in Atenguillo had their last three children there.

Jose Gertrudis Rubio and the rest of the family went to Talpa de Allende, where some Rubios still remain.

In Atenguillo, Jose de luz Rubio bought a 11 square mile ranch, Mestinas, on the plateau.

Jose de la Luz died around 1910 after drinking a bad batch of pulque.

The ranch was managed by his brother Marcos Rubio b.1849 for Jose de la Luz' son Jose Trinidad Rubio 1896-1970 (my paternal grandfather) until he was of age.

Jose Trinidad Rubio had lots of trouble dealing with some other local ranchers. There were repeated raids on his cattle and so forth.

One strange note: There was a group of de Estradas living in Atenguillo. They claimed to be related to the Rubios, but know one knew how or why. The Estradas were fiercely loyal to my grandfather. They were valiant, to the point of psychotic, killing/stealing rival ranchers cattle, engaging in gun battles, marring women of rival families (perhaps absconding with them)and even killings.

Eventually my grandfather moved to Nayarit in the 1950's. Not much was made there and they began coming to the states in the 1960's. Jose Trinidad Rubio died 1970 in Fullerton, Ca. Three months before my b-day.

Not knowing my grandfather, not being related to other Rubios I would encounter and the fact that this family is rather clashish and hush hush about the past is what made me investigate the family tree. Being a former employee of private investigation agency helped me piece together the tree with virtually no help up until the Diego Estrada block wall. Of which I am very grateful to all here for there assistance in helping me complete my tree so far.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-07-20 22:41 | Permalink

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Diego Estrada Bocanegra y Muñoz de Barba is the illegitimate son of Pedro Estrada Bocanegra and Ana Muñoz de la Barba.

Josefa Muñoz de la Barba and Juan De la Torre Ledesma y Palafox are the parents of Maria Ledesma (Aka Maria Gonzalez) and Antonia Ledesma. Both daughters are illegitimate as Juan de la Torre Ledesma is legally married to Isabel Marquez y Martin del Campo. It's taken many years to finally put this line together.

Ana Muñoz de la Barba and Josefa Munoz de la Barba are the daughters of Francisco Muñoz de las Barba and Catalina Gonzalez-Rubio (aka Gutierrez-Rubio)
Francisco Muñoz de la Barba is the son of Juan Muñoz de la Barba and Ann de Espindola II
Catalina is the daughter of Captain Francisco Gutierrez-Rubio and Anna Gonzalez Florida.

Thanks to Joe, Ruben, Simona, Steven (Paco) and Alexandro for helping with important pieces of the puzzle. It was a fantastic feeling to finally add the final pieces and put them together the past two days. Steven and Alejandro's contribution came many years ago but without their two cents I wouldn't been in position to put it together. Ruben's piece took me back another generation, and then Joe's piece (dispensa) added yet another generation. Going back and looking at my notes and a few dispensas on these families brought it all together.

Thanks again,
R.ick A. Ricci

Source; Mygenes2000 by R.A.Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-07-20 21:17 | Permalink

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Dear Joe,

How are you related to Manuel Alvino de Losa & Maria de Jesus Cortes de Arteaga y Estrada?

I have more on their lines.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-07-20 19:37 | Permalink

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Bartolome de Losa And Clara de Loza are first cousins twice. Their fathers are brothers and their mothers are sisters.

Bartolome is the son of Alejo Losa and Maria Ledesma (AKA Maria Gonzalez). (Bartolome is raised in Jalostotitlan)

Clara is the daughter of Antonio de Loza and Antonia Ledesma. (Clara is raised in Tepatitlan)

Since Maria Gonzalez (Maria Ledesma) and Antonia Ledesma are the daughters of Josepha Munoz de la Barba, and Josepha is the sister of Ana Munoz de la Barba, the mother of Diego Estrada, if we can find Josefa's parents from the clues that we have, then we will also have Ana's parents.

R.A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-07-20 13:19 | Permalink

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Here are records that may help in this research

Bartolome Losa Gonsales
Gender Male
Christening Date 03 Sep 1702
Christening Place NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Alexo De Losa
Mother's Name Ma. Gonsales
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK9Y-LFN : 2 January 2015), Bartolome Losa Gonsales, 03 Sep 1702; citing NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 279,253.p

Bartholome De Loza
mentioned in the record of Bartholome De Loza and Clara De Loza
Name Bartholome De Loza
Spouse's Name Clara De Loza
Event Date 11 Oct 1728
Event Place Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico
CITING THIS RECORD

"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCF3-FRS : 15 July 2015), Bartholome De Loza and Clara De Loza, 11 Oct 1728; citing Tepatitlan De Morelos,Jalisco,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 218,516.

Bartolo De Loza
Gender Male
Wife Clara De Loza
Son Raphael Loza Loza
Name Raphael Loza Loza
Gender Male
Christening Date 21 May 1741
Christening Place NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO
Father's Name Bartolo De Loza
Mother's Name Clara De Loza
CITING THIS RECORD

"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9Y1-319 : 2 January 2015), Bartolo De Loza in entry for Raphael Loza Loza, 21 May 1741; citing NUESTRA SENORA DE LA ASUNCION,JALOSTOTITLAN,JALISCO,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 279,256.

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-07-20 13:15 | Permalink

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Josefa de la Barba and Ana de la Barba are sisters.

Josefa is the mother of Maria Gonzales and Ana is the the mother of Diego Estrada.

This makes Maria Gonzalez and Diego Estrada first cousins.

Maria Gonzalez is the mother of Bartolome Loza and Diego Estrada is the father of Maria Efigenia de Estrada.

This makes Bartolome Loza y Gonzalez and Maria Efigenia de Estrada second cousins.

Bartolome Loza y Gonzalez is the father of Manuel Albino Losa y Losa and Ma. Efigenia de Estrada is the mother of Maria de Jesus Castro

This makes Manuel Albino Losa y Losa and Maria de Jesus Castro y Estrada third cousins which is a fourth degree relationship.

1) Josepha de la Barba
2) Maria Gonzalez
3) Bartolome de Losa y Gonzalez and Clara de Loza
4) Manuel Albino Losa y Losa

1) Ana de la Barba
2) Diego Estrada y Barba and Ma. Antonia Gomez de Espejo Velasco
3) Ma. Efigenia de Estrada y Gomez and Joseph Castro
4) Maria de Jesus Castro

R.A.Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-07-20 12:14 | Permalink

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Dear Joe,

I just now saw your post on Diego Estrada. I descend from Diego Estrada and Maria Antonia Gomez de Espejo Velasco. Your information does indicate that Diego's mother is Ana de la Barba. Back then the complete surname was Muñoz de la Barba.

Thank you for sharing,
Rick A. Ricci

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I would like info on this, too....I'm related to the Camarena
family...Emilia Camarena....(my grandmother's mother)....from Arandas,
Mexico....she married Jose Gutierrez (also from the area)....If you

Estrada bocanegra ancestors brickwall

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Dear Chris,

You were right about Beatriz Andrada Bocanegra. She does appear to descend from Gioumar Andrada and juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra. I also descend from Guiomar Andrada's sister through another line. It all came together today. I will continue to research to confirm these findings. This line hooks up with other research projects that I have been working on for the past few years, the Cavalleria, Bocanegra, Golluf/Sanchez, and Cervantes.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

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Estrada y Bocanegra
Submitted by iChristopher on Tue, 2016-07-12 22:35.
Hi Rick,

Not for sure, but looking at the name Beatriz Andrada Bocanegra, it would make sense that her parents were Guiomar de Andrada and Juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra:

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Andrada-5

Chris

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Hello Danny:

In the web bisabuelos.com Mr Cano made one Apendix IV named "De la Louisiana A la Nueva España", in the part Los Gutiérrez de la Caballería, Juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra was the son of Diego Gutierrez de la Caballería y Flores de Guevara and Isabel Mexia de Bocanegra, born in Ciudad Real, Spain.

The font of this chapter is the end of the page.

Marcelina

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Marcelina,

i think that's right. I typed in juan Gutierrez Bocanegra and Diego Gutierrez de la Caballeria in google and it gave me these results:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#tbm=bks&q=Juan+Gutierrez+de+Bocanegr…

the book "Ameca, protofundación mexicana: historia de la propiedad" only gives you a snippet view, but the sentences in the preview looks like it almost confirms that. when you click on the book it shows you there's a connection to Alonso de Avalos, that's another Avalos, Bocanegra and Villasenor connection

Danny C. Alonso

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Dear Marcelina and Danny,

Most secondary sources make the same claim that they are his parents, but for a while I believed that they may be grandparents of Juan Gutierrez Bocanegra. The claim that they are his parents is not possible according to the dates that some of these secondary sources use.

I now believe that the dates that some these sources have are mistakes as I now believe that Diego is the father of Juan since Clara and Juan are identified as siblings,, that Juan was born in Spain before his family traveled to Nueva Galicia and that his sister Clara was born very soon after their arrival. There is a third sibling named Marcos. I am not sure where and when he was born.

Guiomar Andrade Villasenor and Juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra are the parents of at least three boys and two daughters. The daughters are Beatrice Andrade Bocanegra and Magdalena Andrade Bocanegra. Magdalena became a nun. Is this Beatriz Andrade Bocanegra the same one that I Have been looking for? I believe so but more research is needed for confirmation. Mr. Victor Cano Sordo lists her as a nun like her sister. I believe that Victor Cano Sordo may be mistaken and that only Magdalena is a nun. Victor Cano Sordo provides much information, I need more time to study his work as there is much to process.

The Gutierrez de la Cavalleria y Bocanegra's ancestry have very long and interesting histories. One branch of the family is Jewish with a long history of Rabbis in the family. Two other branches have a long history of service in the Roman Catholic Church. These two catholic branches were actually political rivals in Italy and provided many priests, cardinals, and Popes.

An interesting part of the family was a converso couple who were "very good Catholics" six days of the week. On the seventh day they observed their families "Jewish traditions". While they were alive, no one accused them of still practicing the Jewish faith. It was only after they died that they were put on trial for their seventh day actions and prayer.

Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Tue, 2016-07-26 06:11 | Permalink

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Dear Marcelina and Chris,

Both couples, "Alonso Perez de Bocanegra and Beatriz Jaramillo y Andrada" and "Guiomar de Andrada Villaseñor and Juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra" have daughters named Beatriz Andrada Bocanegra.

Although it is possible for Bernardino de Estrada's wife Beatriz Andrada Bocanegra's parents to be Guiomar de Andrada and Juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra, deeper research has not yet identified for certain who her parents are.

A close connection also exists between the Cervantes Andrada family and the Jaramillo Andrada Bocanegra family. I have not found any conclusive evidence for Beatriz's parents. Both families were very closely related through both the Andrada and Bocanegra lines. Not only were they closely related, but they had a lot of contact and interacted with each other. Both had the rich Beatrice Andrada Cervantes as an aunt.

Aunt Beatrice Andrada Cervantes's first husband, Juan Jaramillo "el Viejo" was an uncle to Juan Jaramillio "el mozo". There is a possibility that Beatriz Andrada Bocanegra is the Beatriz that is daughter of Alonso Perez de Bocanegra and Beatriz Jaramillo y Andrada.

The reason to believe that Juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra and Guiomar de Andrada Villaseñor are her parents because it is stated that they left many descendants in the Jalisco area of Nueva Galicia.

The reason to believe that Juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra and Guiomar de Andrada Villaseñor are not the parents of Bernardino de Estrada's wife is because Mr. Cano states that this Beatriz Andrada Bocanegra and a sister lived a religious life (nun).

Mr. Cano may be mistaken. For example, In my search for Isabel Mendoza I found two Isabel Mendoza Velasco's that were said by some historians to be nuns. Further research showed that only the niece was a nun and that the aunt with the same name did not enter the convent. The historians had erroneously used the same source for both of them.

Mr Cano states that "Doña Beatriz Pérez de Bocanegra y Jaramillo, falleció en 1613." This Beatriz is "hija de don Alonso Pérez de Bocanegra y de doña Beatriz Jaramillo de Andrada." No marriage is mentioned for Beatriz.

Both families have ancestors that are in the Gutierrez de la Cavalleria and Bocanegra families. The Gutierrez de la Cavalleria y Bocanegra's ancestry have very long and interesting histories. One branch of the family is Jewish with a long history of Rabbis in the family. Two other branches have a long history of service in the Roman Catholic Church. These two catholic branches were actually political rivals in Italy and provided many priests, cardinals, and Popes.

Both families also descend from the Andrada/Andrade family. We can use this information to look for clues to this families ancestry.

Gracias a Chris y a Marcelina por ayudarme.
Thank you,
Rick A. Ricci

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Andrada Bocanegra en Querétaro.
Submitted by Marcelina Macias on Thu, 2016-07-07 20:40.
Hola R.A.Ricci:

Faltó alguna fecha de referencia en tu comentario, así que no se si te servirá ésta información de una familia en Querétaro, que leí en bisabuelos.com

Juan Jaramillo "El Mozo" se casó con Ana de Andrada (hija de Diego García Jaramillo y Cecilia Lucero)fueron padres de:

Beatriz Jaramillo y Andrada nacida en la ciudad de México hacia 1558, se casó con Alonso Pérez de Bocanegra el 6 de diciembre de 1576. En 1613 pasaron a vivir a Querétaro, tuvieron 9 hijos entre ellos un Beatriz.

El Sr. Cano ya no da más información sobre ella, porque desciende del primogénito, pero si te interesa avísame para consultar tres libros de testamentos de Querétaro para ver si aparece alguien de ésta familia.

Saludos.

Marcelina

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Estrada-bocanegra
Submitted by R.A.Ricci on Thu, 2016-07-21 11:31.
Dear Chris,

You were right about Beatriz Andrada Bocanegra. She does appear to descend from Gioumar Andrada and juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra. I also descend from Guiomar Andrada's sister through another line. It all came together today. I will continue to research to confirm these findings. This line hooks up with other research projects that I have been working on for the past few years, the Cavalleria, Bocanegra, Golluf/Sanchez, and Cervantes.

Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci

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Estrada y Bocanegra
Submitted by iChristopher on Tue, 2016-07-12 22:35.
Hi Rick,

Not for sure, but looking at the name Beatriz Andrada Bocanegra, it would make sense that her parents were Guiomar de Andrada and Juan Gutierrez de Bocanegra:

http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Andrada-5

Chris

Published by Marcelina Macias – Thu, 2016-07-07 17:40 | Permalink

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Hola R.A.Ricci:

Faltó alguna fecha de referencia en tu comentario, así que no se si te servirá ésta información de una familia en Querétaro, que leí en bisabuelos.com

Juan Jaramillo "El Mozo" se casó con Ana de Andrada (hija de Diego García Jaramillo y Cecilia Lucero)fueron padres de:

Beatriz Jaramillo y Andrada nacida en la ciudad de México hacia 1558, se casó con Alonso Pérez de Bocanegra el 6 de diciembre de 1576. En 1613 pasaron a vivir a Querétaro, tuvieron 9 hijos entre ellos un Beatriz.

El Sr. Cano ya no da más información sobre ella, porque desciende del primogénito, pero si te interesa avísame para consultar tres libros de testamentos de Querétaro para ver si aparece alguien de ésta familia.

Saludos.

Marcelina

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Hola Ricardo:

El Sr. Cano en su apartado sobre los Jaramillo dice haber recibido informes de que ésta familia es de Barcarrota.

Hay un testamento de un Juan Jaramillo, pero no coincide exactamente con la información del Sr. Cano, ya que en éste no coincide el nombre de los padres de Juan Jaramillo y las fechas no casan exactamente porque en el testamento no se menciona que Beatriz de Andrada esté casada.

En el Tomo VII de Documentos Inéditos para la historia de Querétaro página 42 se encuentra el Testamento de Juan Jaramillo de fecha 7 de mayo de 1607, que en sustancia dice lo siguiente:

Juan Jaramillo vecino deste pueblo de Querétaro, hijo legítimo de Antonio de Mendoza y Ana Vázquez su mujer, vecinos que fueron de éste dicho pueblo... que di a Antonio de Mendoza mi hermano treinta yeguas mansas con dos burros...Item declaro que el solar y casa en donde ahora viven Beatriz de Andrada y Leonor de Mendoza es de las susodichas y les costó su dinero y en ello no tiene otra persona parte alguna y así lo declaro para descargo de mi conciencia... Item declaro que soy casado y velado según orden de la Santa Madre Iglesia con Francisca Nuñez, natural de éste pueblo, y durante nuestro matrimonio habemos habido e tenemos por nuestros hijos legítimos a Juan Jaramillo y Mateo y Beatriz de Andrada y Ana Vázquez y Francisco de Mendoza, declarolos por mis hijos...

Voy a revisar el libro de bautizos porque en Querétaro estuvieron tres ramas: los Pérez de Bocanegra, los Messía de Bocanegra y desde luego los Pérez de Bocanegra (en realidad Fernandéz de Córdoba y Bocanegra).

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola Ricardo:

El Juan Jaramillo del testamento resulta ser sobrino de Juan Jaramillo el Viejo, las relaciones entre ellos y la familia Cervantes están explicadas en el artículo titulado Jaramillos y Andradas en la Nueva España, del mismo Sr. Cano en bisabuelos.com

Ojalá y te sirva ésta información.

Marcelina

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Estimada Marcelina,

El Sr. Victor Cano Sordo dice que Gomez Mendez es el padre de "Juan Jaramillo el mozo" pero bien podia ser Mendoza. El apellido Mendoza lo he visto escrito como Mndz o Mendez en algunas actas de esos tiempos.
Es muy interesante el testamento de este tercer "Juan Jaramillo." Me gustaria estudiar este testamento. Es interesante que una hija y un hijo de Juan Jaramillo el mozo tambien usaron el apellido Mendoza.

En el testamento este Juan Jaramillo (tercer) dice que tiene un hijo que tambien se llama Juan Jaramillo (cuarto). Entonces tenemos cuatro personas con el nombre Juan Jaramillo, "el viejo", "el mozo", "tercer", cuarto".

El Sr. Victor Cano Sordo tiene esta informacíon en su bibliographia.
" (11) En 1609 una María de Andrada, de Zacatecas, presenta informe de su genealogía ante la Inquisición (cfr. AGN, Inquisición, vol. 262, exp. 7, f. 17)." Y.

"(17) Cfr. Archivo de Notarías de Morelia, Michoacán, protocolo de 1597 a 1599, hecho el 9 de noviembre de 1597, ante el Escribano Real don Francisco Martín de Alcaráz. Citado por R. NIETO CORTADELLAS, o.c., p. 214."

El "17" alamejor menciona los hijos de Guiomar Andrada.

Gracias por compartir,
Ricardo A. Ricci

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Submitted by Marcelina Macias on Thu, 2016-07-07 23:24.
Hola Ricardo:

El Sr. Cano en su apartado sobre los Jaramillo dice haber recibido informes de que ésta familia es de Barcarrota.

Hay un testamento de un Juan Jaramillo, pero no coincide exactamente con la información del Sr. Cano, ya que en éste no coincide el nombre de los padres de Juan Jaramillo y las fechas no casan exactamente porque en el testamento no se menciona que Beatriz de Andrada esté casada.

En el Tomo VII de Documentos Inéditos para la historia de Querétaro página 42 se encuentra el Testamento de Juan Jaramillo de fecha 7 de mayo de 1607, que en sustancia dice lo siguiente:

Juan Jaramillo vecino deste pueblo de Querétaro, hijo legítimo de Antonio de Mendoza y Ana Vázquez su mujer, vecinos que fueron de éste dicho pueblo... que di a Antonio de Mendoza mi hermano treinta yeguas mansas con dos burros...Item declaro que el solar y casa en donde ahora viven Beatriz de Andrada y Leonor de Mendoza es de las susodichas y les costó su dinero y en ello no tiene otra persona parte alguna y así lo declaro para descargo de mi conciencia... Item declaro que soy casado y velado según orden de la Santa Madre Iglesia con Francisca Nuñez, natural de éste pueblo, y durante nuestro matrimonio habemos habido e tenemos por nuestros hijos legítimos a Juan Jaramillo y Mateo y Beatriz de Andrada y Ana Vázquez y Francisco de Mendoza, declarolos por mis hijos...

Voy a revisar el libro de bautizos porque en Querétaro estuvieron tres ramas: los Pérez de Bocanegra, los Messía de Bocanegra y desde luego los Pérez de Bocanegra (en realidad Fernandéz de Córdoba y Bocanegra).

Saludos

Marcelina

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Hola Ricardo:

Bueno pues hablemos del testmento, pero quiero aclarar que no he profundizado en la historia de las familias Jaramillo, Pérez de Bocanegra, Gutiérrez de la Caballería y Andrada. La familia que he estudiado más la de los Férnandez de Córdoba y Bocanegra, pues el verdadero fundador de Querétaro fue don Hernando Pérez de Córdoba y Bocanegra, descendiente de los señores de la mitad de La Monclova. A quien la historia oficial ha tratado de reducir al referirse a él como "el encomendero de Acámbaro", y que está ligado a mi familia a través de los Ávila, Perea, Ramírez de Alarcón y Ponce de León.

Don Juan Jaramillo el Viejo y Doña Marina se establecieron en la Hacienda de Galindo, cerca de San Juan del Río y por lo visto sus descendientes estuvieron también en Querétaro.

"En el nombre de Dios, sepan cuantos esta carta de testamento vieren, como yo Juan Jaramillo, vecino deste pueblo de Querétaro, hijo legítimo de Antonio de Mendoza y Ana Vázquez, su mujer, vecinos que fueron deste dicho pueblo, ya difuntos, otorgo y conozco que creo fiel y católicamente todo aquello que tiene, cree y confiesa la Santa Madre Iglesia Romana y el misterio de la Santisima Trinidad, Padre hijo y Espíritu Santo, tres personas y una sola esencia, en cuya fe y creencia protesto de vivir y morir....

Al parecer usaban diferentes apellidos entre los hermanos porque aparecen cuatro hermanos de Juan Jaramillo:

1.- Antonio de Mendoza.
2.- Beatriz de Andrada
3.- Leonor de Mendoza
4.- Francisco de Mendoza

"Item declaro que yo di a Antonio de Mendoza, mi hermano treinta yeguas mansas con dos burros, que el un burro tiene el hierro de Pablo Colchado..."

"Declaro por mis bienes la sexta parte de una labor que por fin y muerte de mis padres nos quedó a mí y a mis hermanos..."

"Item, declaro que el solar y casa en que el presente viven Beatris de Andrada y Leonor de Mendoza es de las susodichas y les costó su dinero...."

"..se les descuenten los dichos ciento cincuenta pesos que por mí pagó al dicho Naranjo, y otras cuarenta de que le eran deudores el dicho mi padre y Francisco de Mendoza, mi hermano, difuntos.."

Entonces eran seis hermanos pero hasta el momento sólo aparecen cinco nombres.

"Declaro que soy casado según orden de la Santa Madre Iglesia con Francisca Nuñez, natural deste pueblo y durante nuestro matrimonio habemos habido e tenemos por nuestro hijos legítimos a Juan Jaramillo y a Mateo y Beatriz de Andrada y Ana Vázquez y Francisco de Mendoza y a la criatura que la dicha mi mujer pariere por estar como está preñada..."

Hijos:
1.- Juan Jaramillo
2.-Mateo de Andrada
3.- Beatriz de Andrada
4.- Ana Vázquez
5.- Póstumo

Entonces aparecen dos mujeres llamadas Beatriz de Andrada, tía y sobrina.

Si te sigue interesando el testamento lo llevo a escanear porque son ocho páginas por las mandas y deudas. Creo que está deficiente porque no aclara en dónde está la estancia, pero éste Juan Jaramillo se dedicaba a la crianza de caballos.

En un video de Youtube que se llama Lagos cuna de la Charrería, subido por el cronista Mario Gómez Mata, se habla de que las primeras estancias ganaderas en el valle de Pechititán fueron en 1555 la estancia de Juan Jaramillo el Mozo y la Sauceda en 1548.

Saludos
Marcelina

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2016-07-27 08:36 | Permalink

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Hola Marcelina,

Es muy valioso y interesante este testamento. Me interesa mucho esta familia. Hasta hora tenemos cuatro Juan Jaramillos y cinco Beatriz Andrade ( incuiendo la Tia Beatriz Beatriz Andrada Cervantes que no tuvo hijos).

Yo creo que toda las cuatro Beatriz Andrada vienen siendo sobrinas de la muy rica tia. No se si es cierto que la Tia Beatriz Andrada Cervantes era la mujer mas rica de Mejico como muchos repiten, pero es seguro que fue muy rica.

Tambien me interesa el mas comun uso del apellido Mendoza en la familia, en vez de Jaramillo. Has pensado de communicarte con el Sr. Cano para presentarle lo que has encontrado? Yo creo que le interesaria mucho esta informacíon.

Muchisimas Gracias Marcelina,

Ricardo

Published by Marcelina Macias – Wed, 2016-07-27 09:27 | Permalink

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Hola Ricardo:

Pues ya encontré más ramas de la misma familia y creo que debo expresarlas por separado, para facilitar la consulta para otras personas:

Encontré una información promovida por Diego Pérez de Bocanegra, hijo de Alonso Pérez (el Mozo) y Clara de Bocanegra, nieto de Diego Gutiérrez de la Caballería, en donde dice que pasaron 17 primos a Nueva España.

MEXICO,193,n.13

Así que puede haber más nombres repetidos.

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Hola Ricardo, encontré otros miembro de la familia de Juan Jaramillo "el Viejo".

En principio hay varias informaciones de méritos de Juan Jaramillo, pero quiero citar la que se encuentra bajo la signatura PATRONATO,54,N.8,R6 del Archivo general de Indias) en donde se demuestra que sus padres fueron Alonso Jaramillo y Mencía de Matos.Año 1532.

Luego hay dos registros de la Casa de Contratación, del año 1536 en donde pasaron a Nueva España Mencía de Matos natural de Salvatierra en el Condado de Feria hija de Luis de Matos y Mencía González y Juan de Matyos hijo de Alonso Jaramillo y Mencía de Matos. (CONTRATACION 5536, L.4, F.61, R1 y R2).
Creo que no se ha tomado en cuenta si hay descendencia de ésta rama.

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En la web "otros Mendoza"se habla de Don Luis de Quesada, al parecer en 1535 pasa a Nueva España Luis de Quesada y López de Mendoza, hijo de Pedro Díaz de Quesada y de doña Francisca López de Mendoza, vino en compañía del virrey Don Antonio de Mendoza.

(Don Pedro Díaz de Quesada puede descender de la nobleza de Jaen y doña Francisca es de la casa de Mendoza)

Luis de Quesada se casa con Doña María Jaramillo, única hija de Juan Jaramillo el Viejo y de doña Marina en 1542. Participó en la guerra del Mixtón apoyando al virrey.

Al morir Juan Jaramillo el Viejo se había casado con Doña Beatriz de Andrada, entonces las dos mujeres se enfrentaron por los bienes (al parecer doña María ya había reclamado a su padre la herencia de su madre antes de que éste muriera). Doña María Jaramillo y Don Luis de Quesada al parecer eran protegidos de Hernán Cortés.

Fueron al menos tres juicios en los que se dijo de Don Antonio de Mendoza había forzado el casamiento y que Don Luis se había robado a Doña María.

Doña Beatriz para alcanzar ventaja se casó con un sobrino del virrey Don Luis de Velasco.
La encomienda se dividió en dos partes, la parte de Doña María Jaramillo pasó a los Quesada y la parte de Doña Beatriz de Andrada pasó a don Lucas de Lara Cervantes.

Don Luis y Doña María fueron padres de Don Pedro de Quesada Xaramillo y éste de Don Alonso de Quesada y Puga que fue el primero en establecerse en los altos de Jalisco.

Llama la atención que el padre del tercer Juan Jaramillo a que se refiere el testamento de Querétaro se llamó Antonio de Mendoza, que puede ser homónimo y deudo(pariente) del virrey, porque era tratante de caballos.

Saludos
Marcelina

Finalmente hay un Luis Jaramillo de Mendoza bautizado en Querétaro el día 20 de enero de 1595.

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Hola Ricardo:

Encontré un registro en la Guía General AGN, Archivo General de la Nación, es un sumario de asuntos sobre los pretendientes a ejercer una cargo en Santo Oficio:

INQUISICION/VOLUMEN 61, EXPEDIENTE 8 AÑO 1572
Información de la genealogía de Don Manuel de Villegas y de su esposa Margarita de Peralta cita a las siguientes personas: Diego de Villegas Sandoval, Diego Valadés (conquistador), Juan Jaramillo (Conquistador) y Beatriz de Andrade su mujer y García de Aguilar (conquistador, Francisco Montaño y Bernardino del Castillo. Al parecer todas estas personas eran ascendientes del interesado.

Infortunadamente el documento no ha sido digitalizado.

Otro registro interesante puede ser el siguiente:

MERCEDES, Contenedor 27 Volumen 61, Expediente 8 año 1572 Merced de tres sitios de venta en Zacatecas a Juan Jaramillo.

Saludos

Marcelina

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2015-12-26 20:46 | Permalink

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Here is an interesting fact on Francisco Estradas sister

Estrada, Maria - From: Seville. Father: Juan Sanchez de Estrada.
Sister of Francisco, she came to the New World 1519 where she joined
her brother in Cuba. One of 15 Conquistadoras to join in the conquest.
Married Captain Pedro Sanchez de Farfan and settled in
Mexico. It was said "She could hold her own with any man with weapons,
either on horseback or on foot".

On another post.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18899?page=2

Beatriz Ananda Bocanegra is named as Beatriz Nunez Bocanegra.

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I read about one never mentioned her name but they said she could hold her own against any other conquistador. Anyone know the other names of the 15. sounds very interesting thanks for the FMI

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Chris

do you know how these peopple connect to Teresa de Estrada y Bocanegra thats married to christobal de Alba

Danny C. Alonso

Luciano Lomellini

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Luciano Lomellini is named in a will of his brother Napoleone Lomellini in 1587.

They are the sons of Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini and Caterina Spinola

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sat, 2014-04-05 18:16 | Permalink

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Luciano Lomellini Spinola , one of the two primary candidates to be Luis Lomellin who traveled and lived in Mexico is a sixth cousin of Christopher Colombus. There are other relationships but this is the closest that I have calculated so far.

Through another of Luciano Lomellini Spinola family line, he is a sixth cousin to Christopher Colombus's stepmother (Bartolommeo Colon's biological mother)

There is a much closer relationship that needs much more explanation as to its veracity than there is room here. There are numerous chapters explaining how this is possible in the book that I am presently writing. This book will be published soon.

The more I research the possible Luis Lomellini candidates, the more connections I find between Christopher Colombus and the Lomellini/Spinola families of Genoa/Portugal

R A Ricci

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The Lomelin subject is getting serious now--this is really good. What we need to do is gather all this information and combine it with what Steven Hernandez Lopez found and continue to go forward. We need to start piecing things together and find the irrefutable documents to establish the Lomelin family of Mexico with that of the Noble House of Genoa. Interesting enough, I am also related to the Spinola family on a different line, I also wonder if the Sicala mentioned above is related to my Diego di Sicala ancestor who was a master organist and settled in Guadalajara in the XVIII century, he later changed his name to Sigala. He married Ana Maria de Paz y Castro in Guadalajara on 11 Feb 1619 son of Antonio di Sicala and Rosa di Palas natives of Naples.

Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino

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I think there is an actor surnamed Segal who speaks Spanish. Maybe he is also a descendant?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 23:58:17 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luciano Lomellini.
>
> The Lomelin subject is getting serious now--this is really good. What we need to do is gather all this information and combine it with what Steven Hernandez Lopez found and continue to go forward. We need to start piecing things together and find the irrefutable documents to establish the Lomelin family of Mexico with that of the Noble House of Genoa. Interesting enough, I am also related to the Spinola family on a different line, I also wonder if the Sicala mentioned above is related to my Diego di Sicala ancestor who was a master organist and settled in Guadalajara in the XVIII century, he later changed his name to Sigala. He married Ana Maria de Paz y Castro in Guadalajara on 11 Feb 1619 son of Antonio di Sicala and Rosa di Palas natives of Naples.
>
> Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
>

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Emilie,

My 4th Great grandmother was Maria Rafaela Sigala, Duran, from Hacienda de
Tlachichila in Nochistlan, Zacatecas, but I haven't done much research on
this branch of my family. She married Jose Rafael Olmos Ruiz also from
Hacienda de Tlachichila on 5 Junio, 1815.

On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Emilie Garcia wrote:

> I think there is an actor surnamed Segal who speaks Spanish. Maybe he is
> also a descendant?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: mendezdetorres@hotmail.com
> > Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2014 23:58:17 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Luciano Lomellini.
> >
> > The Lomelin subject is getting serious now--this is really good. What we
> need to do is gather all this information and combine it with what Steven
> Hernandez Lopez found and continue to go forward. We need to start piecing
> things together and find the irrefutable documents to establish the Lomelin
> family of Mexico with that of the Noble House of Genoa. Interesting enough,
> I am also related to the Spinola family on a different line, I also wonder
> if the Sicala mentioned above is related to my Diego di Sicala ancestor who
> was a master organist and settled in Guadalajara in the XVIII century, he
> later changed his name to Sigala. He married Ana Maria de Paz y Castro in
> Guadalajara on 11 Feb 1619 son of Antonio di Sicala and Rosa di Palas
> natives of Naples.
> >
> > Daniel Méndez de Torres Camino
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I've looked into this person and cannot find much information on him. Where can I look to get past his parents Antonio and Rosa? I'd like to see where this branch extends. I am related through the Camarena branch.

Regards,
Vanessa

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Mon, 2014-02-24 01:08 | Permalink

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The probable and possible Luis Lomeli are all named Luciano Lomellini. Not one of them is named Luigi Lomellini.

R A Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Wed, 2014-12-31 23:45 | Permalink

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The probable and possible Luis Lomeli are all named Luciano Lomellini. Not one of them is named Luigi Lomellini

The Lomellini family of the 13th,14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, and 18 th centuries, names some women Luigia but did not call the men Luigi. The Italian versions of Luis during this time period, among the Lomellini were Luciano, Luchino, Luchetto, and Luca. There were many named Luciano Lomellini.
There are two Luigi Lomellini in the 19th century. They are first cousins. There is one Luigi Lomellini in the fifteenth century that cannot be our Luis Lomelin.
R A Ricci

Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Sun, 2014-02-23 11:44 | Permalink

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Even though Carlo Lomellini and Luciano Lomellini Spinola are fourth cousins, they both have close family, second cousins and uncles that are in contact with each other's more immediate family. Their families both share business interests with Marco Lomellini Lomellini. Marco Lomellini had children that through marriage continued bringing separate branches of Lomellini together.

Marco Lomellini e Lomellini descends through his mothers branch of Lomellini from Napoleone Lomellini and Teodora di Negro.
This is also the closest relationship that fourth cousins Carlo and Luciano have. Before Napoleone Lomellini, the Lomellini families had some money but Napoleone was the first extremely wealthy Lomellini. Napoleons sons were involved in his business transactions and had to follow the rules left in his will. The original will is no longer in existence but transcriptions of it still exist. The directives in the will were meant to keep the family together. Working together and sharing in the fruits of their labor and inheritance throughout the ages. Leonello is Napoleones oldest son and heir. He had a son named Matteo, Marcos maternal grandfather. Marco took after his Great grandfather Leonello and his great great grandfather Napoleone in wisely choosing his business investments and in sharing many of these interests with family members, even distant family members. Marco also had some business interests with the di Negro family which was also related to him through His great great grandmother Teodora di Negro, Napoleones wife.

Luciano Lomellini descends from Leonellos brother Goffredo Lomellini (grandfather to the other Goffredo Lomelli that was Luciano's grandfather) who also worked in his fathers, business. Luciano also descends from the Spinola family and another rich family the Della Volta. The Volta family rubbed some of the other aristocratic families the wrong way as they were the first to try and corner certain markets like Marco and other Lomellini would do decades and centuries later.
Goffredo's wife, Luchina Lercari, descends from another big time respectable businessman who made it big, but this one made it big when he was disrespected mightily and decided to become a pirate and exact his revenge. He went back to being a respectable businessman, only much wealthier from his successful venture as a pirate. Revenge was sweet for him. His fame has become legend in Italy that some have even wondered if the stories are true. Little stories have been added over the years but the main story is true. This pirates wife had children from a first marriage that would have descendants (Calvo) that were business partners with Marco Lomellini and Giovanni Battista Lomellino ( son of Cosimo Lomellini/ Lomelino). Cosimo's sons Giovanni Battista Lomellino and Urbano Lomellino became rich by associating themselves with Marco Lomellini. So did the Calvo family.
There is a Francisco Lomelino (Francesco Lomellini) that was abducted and forced to work as a slave ( one record I saw said Turkey while another said Northern Africa ) this Francisco is the ancestor to many of the Lomelino family that still lives in Portugal. The problem is that there is a false family tree online that places Francisco with different parents. I am trying to figure out which one is the correct line. They may both be correct and one Franceso Lomellini was held as a slave in Turkey while the other Francesco Lomellini (Francisco Lomelino) was a slave in North Africa.
If anyone is looking to name a child after an ancestor they should choose Napoleone, Leonello, Paolo Vincenzo, and other wonderful names. I would avoid naming a child Francisco Lomeli with the history of Francisco Lomellinis being abducted into slavery.
Since Carlo Lomellini (Carlos Lomeli) also descends from Napoleone Lomellini, This makes his father, Vincenzo, part of this extremely wealthy family.

R A Ricci

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Carlos Peredo

I just saw a document in PARES dated ago-16th-1541 where Juan Antonio Brambilla is given permission to bring two black slaves to Indias, and in the same document another Genovese : Tolomeo Spindola "Ginovese" is given the same permission for another two slaves.

I guess this is nothing new but confirms that some of this "American" Genoveses were not unfamiliar with slave trade, and that they had the means to do that.

Regards

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Carlos Peredo

Also in PARES there is a document dated 1538-5-3 in Valladolid ordering that the 25,000 ducados that Francisco Lomelí (ó Lomelín), Genovés be coined immediately.

By the way, the master person charged with the "coinage" and all things related to precious metals in México City at that time was a "Membrilla" who was designated directly by the King (this document is also in PARES) , this "Membrilla" was probably another Genovese.

Regards

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Carlos Peredo

The document that covers the 25,000 ducados that Francisco de Lomelín brings is not shown in PARES, but reading again the record about that document I now understand that the gold was to be coined in Burgos, not in Mexico City, so that Gold may have been from The Indias mines

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Carlos Peredo

Estimado Ignacio,

Desafortunadamnete no poseo mucha información sobre los Brambila. En PARES, como lo he mencionado hay alhunos documentos sobre dicho apellido.

El link para acceder al portal de entrada de PARES es el siguiente:

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=0, y por ejemplo, el link para ver el récord referente al permiso que recibe Juan Antonio de Brambila para llevar dos esclavos a las Indias es el siguiente :

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas/servlets/Control_servlet?accion=2&tx…

Sin embargo, al parecer el portal de PARES hace que los links no puedan ser accedidos después de lagunos minutos de haberse usado y caducan, así que lo recomendable es acceder por la carátula del primer link, llenar el formulario de busqueda y así revisar los resultados que se vayan obteniendo.

Al momento lo que yo tengo sobre ese apellido es :

Que dicho Juan antonio Brambila debió llegar a las Indias alrededor de la fecha en que recibe permiso de traer dos esclavos (16-ago-1541);

Que un Juan antonio Brambila (probable hijo del anterior) casó por 1590 con Francisca de Arriaga.

Que el abuelo de Francisca de Arriaga (Anton Arriaga) fue el encomendero de Tlazazalca, Mich en 1527.

Que un hijo de Francisca y Juan Antonio Brambila llamado Antonio de Arriaga y Brambila casó con Ana Flores de Bocanegra por 1615 y tuvieron al menos tres hijos : Juan; Francisco y Antonio; los cuales según el padre Ibarrola fueron Alcaldes Mayores del pueblo de Jiquilpan, Mich.

Otro hijo de Juan Antonio Brambila y Francisca de Arriaga lo fué Agustín de Arriaga Brambila que casó por 1620 con Gracia de Alvarado quienes tuvieron al parecer dos hijos :

José de Arriaga y Brambila que casó en 1656 en Zamora, Mich con Catarina de Coria Lomelín y Peralta; y
El Capitán Alejandro de Arriaga y Brambila que casó en 1657 también en Zamora, Mich. con Catalina de Ochoa Garibay y Zamora.

De los tres Arriaga Brambilas que fueron alcaldes mayores de Jiquilpan, solo he encontrado que Juan se casó por 1670 con Juana de Alcazar; de él tengo que testó en 1585 en Morelia, pero al parecer siguió vivo hasta el 3-mayo-1700 en que es enterrado en Pátzcuaro, Mich., mismo lugar en que fue enterrada su viuda el 16 de mayo de 1705.

Ojalá haya algún dato en lo anterior que le pueda ser de utilidad y me alegrará conocer si logra avances en el estudio de ese apellido.

Cordialmente

Carlos A. Peredo

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Señor Carlos Peredo por su atención y generosidad cualquier detalle cuenta y se lo agradezco sinceramente que tenga una excelente semana .

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Luis and Carlos Lomelin and their immediate descendants in Mexico never shortened their name to Lomeli.

They shortened it to Lomelin. I, like many other genealogist, occasionally erroneously call them Lomeli. By the middle of the 20th century, most of the descendents have changed the name to Lomeli but this was not true in the 16th, 17th and 18th centuries.

R A Ricci

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St. Catherine of Genoa is the daughter of Giacomo Fiesco and Francesca di Negro. Some times St Catherine's mother is listed as Adorno but I do not know if this is a mistake or if Francesca went by two last names. St Catherine was married to an Adorno which may have contributed to the confusion.

Surnames: Mora; de Robles; Salamanca and Bautista

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I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)

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Published by longsjourney – Fri, 2006-06-30 15:51 | Permalink

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Pat, just wanted to share that I've found some places in Jalisco listed in the Caribbean too. They were from San Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco but the transcriber for the history center sent them to the Carribbean. They were laborers so I don't really think they had the time or money to go Island hopping. When I checked online I found all the baptisms for them for San Vicente were listed as Caribbean and not Jalisco.. I have to admit, I did find it exciting to think they had been born on an Island and baptized in Tamazula 5 days later! .
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

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I found it pretty exciting too.... hoping that it was just one stop closer to a Spain connection. With Arturo's computer smarts, and Alicia perseverance in finding Juanacatic, I now know that Juanacatic and Guadalupe were not Caribbean towns, where Tino's ancestors were baptized.
The Cubas' publication is a fountain of information. Pat

longsjourney wrote:

Pat, just wanted to share that I've found some places in Jalisco listed in the Caribbean too. They were from San Vicente, district of Tamazula Jalisco but the transcriber for the history center sent them to the Carribbean. They were laborers so I don't really think they had the time or money to go Island hopping. When I checked online I found all the baptisms for them for San Vicente were listed as Caribbean and not Jalisco.. I have to admit, I did find it exciting to think they had been born on an Island and baptized in Tamazula 5 days later! .
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

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Hola. Juanacatic era un pueblito que antes ocupaba la cabecera municipal de El Plateado de Joaquín Amaro, en el estado de Zacatecas. Los Salamanca de esta zona (Tabasco, Villanueva, El Plateado, Momax... Básicamente el cañón de Juchipila/Tlaltenango) descienden de José Manuel de Salamanca y María Fernanda Salcedo.

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International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. SEVERIANA MORA MARTINEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 FEB 1862 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
[input] 2. SEVERIANA MORA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 05 MAY 1879 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Pat,
This is what I found when I did a search of Severiana Mora. Is this what you were looking for?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Patricia Silva Corbera wrote:
I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

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Hi Maria,

Here's what I have so far -

Trinidad Serrano b. abt 1880, Momax, Zac. (Trinidad is mentioned in son Florentino's bapt. record of 21 April 1894, Momax, Zac. I've not been able to located Trinidad's birth record, and there's been a question as to her actual date of birth. On her Alien Head-Tax Receipt dated Aug 1927, it's noted that she was 47. Plus I located Trinidad residing with her daughter Eulalia and son-in-law Angel Fregoso in Westwood CA on the 1930 Fed Census. Trinidad was noted as being 50 at the time of the census.

Trinidad Serrano daughter of Juan Serrano (Juan's is another line that I thought I had correctly researched, but then I ran into that famous "brick wall. " Juan Serrano married Jesus Salamanca. I located a marriage record for a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca dated 07 FEb 1877, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac. I have a copy of that marriage record, but it didn't mention the names of their parents. The location, Momax. Batch # M607146 F# 0443974. Numerous children showing a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca as being parents, but years prior to this marriage date of 1877.

Maria De Jesus Salamanca Mora (aka Jesus Salamanca) b. 14 June 1845 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. Daughter of Jose Victorio De La Trinidad Salamanca (aka Trinidad Salamanca) b. abt 1811 Guadalupe de Juanacatis, (Mexico) y Maria Seberiana Mora b. abt 1822 07 Oct 1840 S. M. Mecatabasco.

Trinidad Salamanca, son of Joseph Phelipe Salamanca Salsedo (aka: Felipe Salamanca) b. 04 Sept 1767 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. y Juan Maria Batista (Baupta.) m. 29 Jan 1793 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac.

Felipe Salamanca son of Joseph Manuel de Salamanca y Bernarda Salsedo.

Maria Seberiana Mora daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles.

Thank you for your help... Pat

MARIA E GUTIERREZ wrote:
International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. SEVERIANA MORA MARTINEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 FEB 1862 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
[input] 2. SEVERIANA MORA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 05 MAY 1879 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Pat,
This is what I found when I did a search of Severiana Mora. Is this what you were looking for?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Patricia Silva Corbera
wrote:
I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

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Maria,

I neglected to mention that I will order Film # 0443906," informacion matrimonial," for the 4 Feb 1877 marriage. Hopefully that marriage will appear on that film supplying additional information to confirm my extending of this line. The film that I actually viewed (#0443974) was for "matrimonios," only, and contained very little information. Pat

Patricia Corbera wrote:
Hi Maria,

Here's what I have so far -

Trinidad Serrano b. abt 1880, Momax, Zac. (Trinidad is mentioned in son Florentino's bapt. record of 21 April 1894, Momax, Zac. I've not been able to located Trinidad's birth record, and there's been a question as to her actual date of birth. On her Alien Head-Tax Receipt dated Aug 1927, it's noted that she was 47. Plus I located Trinidad residing with her daughter Eulalia and son-in-law Angel Fregoso in Westwood CA on the 1930 Fed Census. Trinidad was noted as being 50 at the time of the census.

Trinidad Serrano daughter of Juan Serrano (Juan's is another line that I thought I had correctly researched, but then I ran into that famous "brick wall. " Juan Serrano married Jesus Salamanca. I located a marriage record for a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca dated 07 FEb 1877, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac. I have a copy of that marriage record, but it didn't mention the names of their parents. The location, Momax. Batch # M607146 F# 0443974. Numerous children showing a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca as being parents, but years prior to this marriage date of 1877.

Maria De Jesus Salamanca Mora (aka Jesus Salamanca) b. 14 June 1845 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. Daughter of Jose Victorio De La Trinidad Salamanca (aka Trinidad Salamanca) b. abt 1811 Guadalupe de Juanacatis, (Mexico) y Maria Seberiana Mora b. abt 1822 07 Oct 1840 S. M. Mecatabasco.

Trinidad Salamanca, son of Joseph Phelipe Salamanca Salsedo (aka: Felipe Salamanca) b. 04 Sept 1767 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. y Juan Maria Batista (Baupta.) m. 29 Jan 1793 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac.

Felipe Salamanca son of Joseph Manuel de Salamanca y Bernarda Salsedo.

Maria Seberiana Mora daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles.

Thank you for your help... Pat

MARIA E GUTIERREZ wrote:
International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. SEVERIANA MORA MARTINEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 FEB 1862 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
[input] 2. SEVERIANA MORA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 05 MAY 1879 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Pat,
This is what I found when I did a search of Severiana Mora. Is this what you were looking for?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Patricia Silva Corbera
wrote:
I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

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Maria,
Here's the reference to Maria Seberiana Mora's birth place.

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 Caribbean Islands Search Results | Download | Pedigree
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MARIA SEBERIANA MORA Female Family
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Event(s): Birth: , Guadeloupe, Caribbean Christening: Death: Burial:
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Parents: Father: NICANOR MORA Family Mother: JOSEFA DE ROBLES
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Marriages: Spouse: JOSE VICTORIO DE LA TRINIDAD SALAMANCA Family Marriage: 07 OCT 1840 Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Refugio, Zacatecas, Mexico Husband Age at Marriage: 29 Wife Age at Marriage: 18
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Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
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Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: M601216 1835 - 1875 1094876 Film NONE Sheet: 00

Patricia Corbera wrote:
Maria,

I neglected to mention that I will order Film # 0443906," informacion matrimonial," for the 4 Feb 1877 marriage. Hopefully that marriage will appear on that film supplying additional information to confirm my extending of this line. The film that I actually viewed (#0443974) was for "matrimonios," only, and contained very little information. Pat

Patricia Corbera
wrote:
Hi Maria,

Here's what I have so far -

Trinidad Serrano b. abt 1880, Momax, Zac. (Trinidad is mentioned in son Florentino's bapt. record of 21 April 1894, Momax, Zac. I've not been able to located Trinidad's birth record, and there's been a question as to her actual date of birth. On her Alien Head-Tax Receipt dated Aug 1927, it's noted that she was 47. Plus I located Trinidad residing with her daughter Eulalia and son-in-law Angel Fregoso in Westwood CA on the 1930 Fed Census. Trinidad was noted as being 50 at the time of the census.

Trinidad Serrano daughter of Juan Serrano (Juan's is another line that I thought I had correctly researched, but then I ran into that famous "brick wall. " Juan Serrano married Jesus Salamanca. I located a marriage record for a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca dated 07 FEb 1877, Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman, Zac. I have a copy of that marriage record, but it didn't mention the names of their parents. The location, Momax. Batch # M607146 F# 0443974. Numerous children showing a Juan Serrano y Jesus Salamanca as being parents, but years prior to this marriage date of 1877.

Maria De Jesus Salamanca Mora (aka Jesus Salamanca) b. 14 June 1845 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. Daughter of Jose Victorio De La Trinidad Salamanca (aka Trinidad Salamanca) b. abt 1811 Guadalupe de Juanacatis, (Mexico) y Maria Seberiana Mora b. abt 1822 07 Oct 1840 S. M. Mecatabasco.

Trinidad Salamanca, son of Joseph Phelipe Salamanca Salsedo (aka: Felipe Salamanca) b. 04 Sept 1767 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac. y Juan Maria Batista (Baupta.) m. 29 Jan 1793 S. M. Mecatabasco, Zac.

Felipe Salamanca son of Joseph Manuel de Salamanca y Bernarda Salsedo.

Maria Seberiana Mora daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles.

Thank you for your help... Pat

MARIA E GUTIERREZ wrote:
International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 2 Select records to download - (50 maximum) [input] 1. SEVERIANA MORA MARTINEZ - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 22 FEB 1862 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
[input] 2. SEVERIANA MORA - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 05 MAY 1879 El Sagrario Or Santo Domingo, Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico
Pat,
This is what I found when I did a search of Severiana Mora. Is this what you were looking for?

Maria Gutierrez-Uhlenburg

Patricia Silva Corbera
wrote:
I have the following ancestors, that I located on FHC IGI files -
Maria Seberiana Mora, place of birth: Guadeloupe, Caribbean daughter of Nicanor Mora y Josefa de Robles. I have not located a birth record for Seberiana. She (age 18) married Jose Victorio de la Trinidad Salamanca (age 29) on 07 Oct 1840 - Parish Santa Maria Mecatabasco, Villa Del Rufugio, Zacatecas. No birth record for 'Trinidad," has been located either. On their marriage IGI Trinidad's place of birth is Guadalupe De Juanacatis,,,Mexico. 1). Where is Guadaupe De Juanacatis (in Mexico or Carribbean?)
2). Was there a migration period during the time frame of 1821 to 1840 from the Caribbean Islands to Mexico ? Or is this an example of FHC indexing error?
Thank You,
Pat

Parents of Cristobal Leal cc Francisca de Ayala

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Hello, Cousins.

Recently saw in my inbox a discussion on the Leal de Ayala family. Don't know how to respond via that method, so I'm posting my comments on this forum.

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Published by R.A.Ricci (not verified) – Mon, 2016-10-03 21:09 | Permalink

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Dear Mary Lou,

I did not have this valuable information. After I finish my Esparza book, I will get to work on trying to extend those lines.

Thank you,

Rick

Looking for Mena's in El Jaralito Jalisco Mexico

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My grandfather Jose Mena, I was told he was born in 1904 Union de San Antonio, Jalisco, Mexico.
He married Juana Valderrama in Los De Moreno on February 1 1923. She was born 1907 in same town.

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Published by Armando – Mon, 2014-05-19 15:27 | Permalink

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El Jaralito is probably a ranch and not a town. People from the ranches had to go to the towns to have their children baptized and to get married.

There is a ranch called El Jaralito just north of Lagos de Moreno.

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/el-jaralito-4

There is also a ranch between Unión de San Antonio and Lagos de Moreno called El Jaralito de Vega

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/el-jaralito-de-vega

Lagos de Moreno means Lakes of Moreno. It was originally called Santa María de los Lagos when it was founded in 1563. Then in 1817 an insurgent, of mostly Spanish ancestry, died in a battle against Spain for the independence of Mexico. Santa María changed it's name to Lagos de Moreno in honor of Pedro Moreno. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Moreno_%28insurgente%29

Armando

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Laurie Machen
Thank you for all your help. Do you know of a mountain called the round table or Mesa de Redonda or La Mesa. My Aunt Cookie told me when she was 7 years old, she went to Lagos de Moreno to visit her grandparents. This mountain was by there house. so I'm thinking my family came from El Jaralito de Vega ranch, that you sent me the info on but not sure. Talk to you soon Laurie

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My grandparents used to take the family camping there. They would purposely take very few belongings to rough it.

It was called La Mesa Redonda de los Villalobos from shortly after the year 1700 to sometime just before 1900. It was owned by my ancestor Salvador de Villalobos and it passed down through the centuries through the Villalobos family until the hacienda was broken up into smaller ranches and the hacienda changed names.

La Mesa Redonda is not really a mountain. It's a small mesa. Even in the U.S. they are called mesas instead of mountains. It's a mesa that is very well known in the area since it is so tall compared to the surroundings which makes it stand out. It's located within the boundary of Lagos de Moreno next to the Aguascalientes-Encarnación de Díaz highway (45d) that passes between Lagos de Moreno and Unión de San Antonio just north-west of El Jaralito. There is another mesa there that is shorter but much wider that shows up in Google Maps as Cerro de la Mesa and is closer to El Jaralito but La Mesa Redonda is north-west of that one.

To see it in Google Maps put these coordinates 21°17'00.7"N 102°00'30.5"W and make sure you are in Earth view. You can also go to Street View to get a closer view and zoom out see where it is located in comparison to Lagos and La Unión.

Here are some links to some pictures of La Mesa Redonda.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9124456

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/30497643

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8077285

http://motorutamexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/DSC008201.jpg

Armando

Armando

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Looking for Armando........
The last time I talked to you was about 2 years ago. When I started working on My Mena family tree. I have found a lot of information since then. You mention your family owned La Mesa Redonda de los Villalobos from shortly after the year 1700 to sometime just before 1900. It was owned by my ancestor Salvador de Villalobos and it passed down through the centuries through the Villalobos family. I found that my great uncle Cirilo Mena Birth ABT 1924 in Jalisco, Mexico married a woman named Vicenta Villalobos Birth ABT 1929. Is she related to you? Do you live in the USA. I hope this message finds you.

Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

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Hola amigos, tengo una duda desde hace vario tiempo y es que en el IGI está un registro en el que se menciona al Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien casó con Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre el 28

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Published by victorianonavarro (not verified) – Sun, 2015-03-01 11:06 | Permalink

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Estoy revisando el rollo de Familysearch de México, Jalisco, registros parroquiales, 1590-1979: Guadalajara: Diócesis de Guadalajara: Ordenes 1614-1668: 661-663 y encontré información de un cura llamado Lorenzo de Anda Altamirano, cuyos padres fueron el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano & Catalina de Bidaurre, su legítima mujer; sus abuelos paternos Estevan de Anda y María de ¿?rrona, su legítima mujer; y sus abuelos maternos Juan Saens de Viraurre & Luysa de Saave-dra, su mujer legítima.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18378-28944-48?cc=1874591&wc…

Villa de los Lagos, 1666
Lorenzo de Anda Altamirano, Pedro de Anda Altamirano, Catalina de Vidaurre, Esteban de Anda, María -rrona, Juan Sáenz de Vidaurre, Luisa de Saavedra.

Saludos cordiales,
Victoriano Navarro

Comment

Yo soy descendiente del hermano de Lorenzo de Anda Altamirano, Esteban de Anda, por alguna rama de mi familia. Pero en mi árbol (medio completado automáticamente en wikitrees y Familysearch) me aparecen como abuelos paternos Esteban de Anda y Catalina López de Portugal. María de Arrona aparece en mi árbol como bisabuela de Lorenzo y madre de Catalina López de Portugal. Quizás haya algún error, tendré que checarlo.

Con respecto al documento que compartes, no entiendo exactamente qué es...no es información matrimonial ni acta de nacimiento. Parece una especie de declaración?? Leí (traté de leer) todo el acta y en la página siguiente dice algo sobre ser libre de toda mala raza de moros, Moriscos, judíos y no? convertidos a la fe católica... me parece interesante, ya que estoy tratando de averiguar si entre mis antepasados habrá judíos conversos!

En fin, gracias por subir ese enlace.
Saludos,
Flora

Published by Bill Figueroa – Sat, 2009-08-22 10:15 | Permalink

Comment

Jorge,

Según Jaime Holcombe, el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien fuera
casado con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra, era hijo de Esteban de
Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal. Hablando de Diego Gómez de
Portugal, padre de Catalina, dice Holcombe que un documento de 1608 que se
encuentra en el Archivo General de Indias, se menciona que Diego era "Juez
de Mesta y Hermandad" cuando heredó "Taliscoya". Aún vivía en 1635 cuando
dos de sus hijas, Magdalena y Angelina, contrajeron matrimonio el 18 de
febrero de ese mismo año. (LDS Film 0221879 Matrimonios 1583-1590 1605-1638
Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco). Aparentemente Diego
murió a los pocos meses, como se encuentra registrado en el "moribus et
vita" de uno de sus hijos. Su viuda, María García de Arrona, todavía vivía
el 2 de julio de 1652, cuando fue madrina de bautizo de un nieto o nieta (no
especifica). Por entonces tenía como 80 años.

Mas adelante menciona que su hija Catalina López de Portugal llevaba el
nombre y apellido López como su abuela paterna, Catalina López de la Madrid,
seguido por "de Portugal". Catalina contrajo matrimonio con el Capitán
Esteban de Anda Altamirano antes del documento de 1608. En ese documento
Esteban aparece como "yerno" de Diego Gómez de Portugal. Esteban era hijo
del Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano y Beatriz González de Castañeda.

El Capitán Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal tuvieron
cinco hijos que llegaron a adultos: Pedro, María, Beatriz, Esteban y Tomás.
Cuando el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano casó con Catalina Sáenz de
Vidaurre y Saavedra el 28 de julio de 1648, ya su madre había muerto.
Esteban de Anda Altamirano aún vivía en 1652.

Me parece que el Lic. Mariano González Leal se equivocó al escribir en su
libro que el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano era hijo del Capitán Juan de
Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de Nava y Guerra. Que yo sepa, ellos
tuvieron siete hijos: Ana, María, Joseph, Teresa, Juan, Mariana e Isabel de
Anda Altamirano.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez"
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Hola amigos, tengo una duda desde hace vario tiempo y es que en el IGI está
un registro en el que se menciona al Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien
casó con Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre el 28 de junio de 1648 en Santa María de
los Lagos, Nueva Galicia. Y menciona dicho registro, que el capitán es hijo
de Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal.

Mi duda surge cuando en el libro del Lic. Mariano González Leal menciona al
capitán como hijo del Capitán Juan de Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de
Nava.

Alguno de ustedes sabe en realidad ¿De quién es hijo el Capitán Pedro de
Anda Altamirano?

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Comment

I have seen several mentions of records by Jaime Holcombe. How do you access his information? Are there certain batch numbers?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Jorge,

Según Jaime Holcombe, el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien fuera
casado con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra, era hijo de Esteban de
Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal. Hablando de Diego Gómez de
Portugal, padre de Catalina, dice Holcombe que un documento de 1608 que se
encuentra en el Archivo General de Indias, se menciona que Diego era "Juez
de Mesta y Hermandad" cuando heredó "Taliscoya". Aún vivía en 1635 cuando
dos de sus hijas, Magdalena y Angelina, contrajeron matrimonio el 18 de
febrero de ese mismo año. (LDS Film 0221879 Matrimonios 1583-1590 1605-1638
Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco). Aparentemente Diego
murió a los pocos meses, como se encuentra registrado en el "moribus et
vita" de uno de sus hijos. Su viuda, María García de Arrona, todavía vivía
el 2 de julio de 1652, cuando fue madrina de bautizo de un nieto o nieta (no
especifica). Por entonces tenía como 80 años.

Mas adelante menciona que su hija Catalina López de Portugal llevaba el
nombre y apellido López como su abuela paterna, Catalina López de la Madrid,
seguido por "de Portugal". Catalina contrajo matrimonio con el Capitán
Esteban de Anda Altamirano antes del documento de 1608. En ese documento
Esteban aparece como "yerno" de Diego Gómez de Portugal. Esteban era hijo
del Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano y Beatriz González de Castañeda.

El Capitán Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal tuvieron
cinco hijos que llegaron a adultos: Pedro, María, Beatriz, Esteban y Tomás.
Cuando el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano casó con Catalina Sáenz de
Vidaurre y Saavedra el 28 de julio de 1648, ya su madre había muerto.
Esteban de Anda Altamirano aún vivía en 1652.

Me parece que el Lic. Mariano González Leal se equivocó al escribir en su
libro que el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano era hijo del Capitán Juan de
Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de Nava y Guerra. Que yo sepa, ellos
tuvieron siete hijos: Ana, María, Joseph, Teresa, Juan, Mariana e Isabel de
Anda Altamirano.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez" >
To: "Nuestros Ranchos" >
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Hola amigos, tengo una duda desde hace vario tiempo y es que en el IGI está
un registro en el que se menciona al Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien
casó con Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre el 28 de junio de 1648 en Santa María de
los Lagos, Nueva Galicia. Y menciona dicho registro, que el capitán es hijo
de Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal.

Mi duda surge cuando en el libro del Lic. Mariano González Leal menciona al
capitán como hijo del Capitán Juan de Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de
Nava.

Alguno de ustedes sabe en realidad ¿De quién es hijo el Capitán Pedro de
Anda Altamirano?

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Comment

Hi Emilie,

I have have a copy of Jaime Holcombe genealogy which he entitled, Nosotros. I was to publish his work, but he needed to make some corrctions. He pass on before he could get back with me. If you, Nuestros Ranchos, feels that it would be of value I could try and located his family and obtain permission to make copies.

Let me know you feelings.

Carlos M. Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

---- Emilie Garcia wrote:
> I have seen several mentions of records by Jaime Holcombe. How do you access his information? Are there certain batch numbers?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Figueroa
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.
>
>
> Jorge,
>
> Según Jaime Holcombe, el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien fuera
> casado con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra, era hijo de Esteban de
> Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal. Hablando de Diego Gómez de
> Portugal, padre de Catalina, dice Holcombe que un documento de 1608 que se
> encuentra en el Archivo General de Indias, se menciona que Diego era "Juez
> de Mesta y Hermandad" cuando heredó "Taliscoya". Aún vivía en 1635 cuando
> dos de sus hijas, Magdalena y Angelina, contrajeron matrimonio el 18 de
> febrero de ese mismo año. (LDS Film 0221879 Matrimonios 1583-1590 1605-1638
> Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco). Aparentemente Diego
> murió a los pocos meses, como se encuentra registrado en el "moribus et
> vita" de uno de sus hijos. Su viuda, María García de Arrona, todavía vivía
> el 2 de julio de 1652, cuando fue madrina de bautizo de un nieto o nieta (no
> especifica). Por entonces tenía como 80 años.
>
> Mas adelante menciona que su hija Catalina López de Portugal llevaba el
> nombre y apellido López como su abuela paterna, Catalina López de la Madrid,
> seguido por "de Portugal". Catalina contrajo matrimonio con el Capitán
> Esteban de Anda Altamirano antes del documento de 1608. En ese documento
> Esteban aparece como "yerno" de Diego Gómez de Portugal. Esteban era hijo
> del Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano y Beatriz González de Castañeda.
>
> El Capitán Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal tuvieron
> cinco hijos que llegaron a adultos: Pedro, María, Beatriz, Esteban y Tomás.
> Cuando el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano casó con Catalina Sáenz de
> Vidaurre y Saavedra el 28 de julio de 1648, ya su madre había muerto.
> Esteban de Anda Altamirano aún vivía en 1652.
>
> Me parece que el Lic. Mariano González Leal se equivocó al escribir en su
> libro que el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano era hijo del Capitán Juan de
> Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de Nava y Guerra. Que yo sepa, ellos
> tuvieron siete hijos: Ana, María, Joseph, Teresa, Juan, Mariana e Isabel de
> Anda Altamirano.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez" >
> To: "Nuestros Ranchos" >
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:10 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.
>
>
>
> Hola amigos, tengo una duda desde hace vario tiempo y es que en el IGI está
> un registro en el que se menciona al Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien
> casó con Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre el 28 de junio de 1648 en Santa María de
> los Lagos, Nueva Galicia. Y menciona dicho registro, que el capitán es hijo
> de Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal.
>
> Mi duda surge cuando en el libro del Lic. Mariano González Leal menciona al
> capitán como hijo del Capitán Juan de Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de
> Nava.
>
> Alguno de ustedes sabe en realidad ¿De quién es hijo el Capitán Pedro de
> Anda Altamirano?
>
> Saludos.
> Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
>
>
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Comment

Juan de anda altamirano
Juana ruiz de nava
Lagos de moreno, jalisco, mexico

Era entonces hijo de

Pedro de anda altamirano
Beatriz gonzalez de castaneda

Nicolasa de anda-altamirano
Los padres pudieron ser
Esteban de anda-altamirano
Josefa moreno-de-ortega
ANDA, Esteban de
Originario de Lagos, vecino preeminente de esta villa y aparentemente un terrateniente clásico en Sierra de Pinos. Medio hermano del capitán Pedro de Anda. Logró un buen matrimonio en 1607 con una hija de Diego Gómez y, en 1611 fue nombrado alcalde ordinario de Lagos (Calvo, 1989d: 103-105, 107-109 y 112-116; 1992b: 114 y 278).

Español. Medio hermano mayor de Esteban de Anda. Como capitán-protector encargado de la pacificación de los chichimecas en Santa María del Río, Armadillo y Río Verde, entre 1590 y 1601. Antes había sido labrador en la región de San Luis Potosí. Estuvo presente en el descubrimiento de las minas del Cerro de San Pedro, San Luis Potosí, el 2 ó 4 de marzo de 1592. Después, también minero por allí, a veces en compañía del capitán Miguel Caldera. Como teniente del capitán Caldera se presentó, en octubre de 1593, en Sierra de Pinos para registrar minas para su amigo. Según el testamento de Miguel Caldera, del 2 de noviembre de 1596, éste le debía 500 pesos y Caldera y Juan de la Torre se habían comprometido a pagárselos. Desde principios del siglo XVII, minero y terrateniente relativamente modesto en Sierra de Pinos. Murió intestado, el 27 de enero de 1619, cuando era vecino del real de San Matías, minas de Sierra de Pinos, en el camino que lo llevaba a San Luis Potosí. Tuvo cuatro hijas naturales entre ellas una mulata llamada María, hija de una esclava negra suya, y tres mestizas que vivían con él en su estancia en Pinos (Calvo, 1989d: 103-105, 107-109 y 112-119; 1992b: 113, 129, 134, 213, 278 y 290; 1992c: 317; Powell, 1980: 179, 185, 190, 207, 215-217, 243, 256, 258-261, 277, 279, 296, 298, 302, 318, 337 y 358s; 1985: 229 y 288).

Español. Medio hermano mayor de Esteban de Anda. Como capitán-protector encargado de la pacificación de los chichimecas en Santa María del Río, Armadillo y Río Verde, entre 1590 y 1601. Antes había sido labrador en la región de San Luis Potosí. Estuvo presente en el descubrimiento de las minas del Cerro de San Pedro, San Luis Potosí, el 2 ó 4 de marzo de 1592. Después, también minero por allí, a veces en compañía del capitán Miguel Caldera. Como teniente del capitán Caldera se presentó, en octubre de 1593, en Sierra de Pinos para registrar minas para su amigo. Según el testamento de Miguel Caldera, del 2 de noviembre de 1596, éste le debía 500 pesos y Caldera y Juan de la Torre se habían comprometido a pagárselos. Desde principios del siglo XVII, minero y terrateniente relativamente modesto en Sierra de Pinos. Murió intestado, el 27 de enero de 1619, cuando era vecino del real de San Matías, minas de Sierra de Pinos, en el camino que lo llevaba a San Luis Potosí. Tuvo cuatro hijas naturales entre ellas una mulata llamada María, hija de una esclava negra suya, y tres mestizas que vivían con él en su estancia en Pinos (Calvo, 1989d: 103-105, 107-109 y 112-119; 1992b: 113, 129, 134, 213, 278 y 290; 1992c: 317; Powell, 1980: 179, 185, 190, 207, 215-217, 243, 256, 258-261, 277, 279, 296, 298, 302, 318, 337 y 358s; 1985: 229 y 288).

SALVADOR CABRAL VALDES

Comment

I, for one, would be interested in such a project. Marge:)

On Aug 22, 2009, at 2:51 PM,
wrote:

Hi Emilie,

I have have a copy of Jaime Holcombe genealogy which he entitled,
Nosotros. I was to publish his work, but he needed to make some
corrctions. He pass on before he could get back with me. If you,
Nuestros Ranchos, feels that it would be of value I could try and
located his family and obtain permission to make copies.

Let me know you feelings.

Carlos M. Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

---- Emilie Garcia wrote:
> I have seen several mentions of records by Jaime Holcombe. How do
> you access his information? Are there certain batch numbers?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Figueroa
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.
>
>
> Jorge,
>
> Según Jaime Holcombe, el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien
> fuera
> casado con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra, era hijo de
> Esteban de
> Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal. Hablando de Diego
> Gómez de
> Portugal, padre de Catalina, dice Holcombe que un documento de 1608
> que se
> encuentra en el Archivo General de Indias, se menciona que Diego
> era "Juez
> de Mesta y Hermandad" cuando heredó "Taliscoya". Aún vivía en 1635
> cuando
> dos de sus hijas, Magdalena y Angelina, contrajeron matrimonio el
> 18 de
> febrero de ese mismo año. (LDS Film 0221879 Matrimonios 1583-1590
> 1605-1638
> Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco). Aparentemente
> Diego
> murió a los pocos meses, como se encuentra registrado en el
> "moribus et
> vita" de uno de sus hijos. Su viuda, María García de Arrona,
> todavía vivía
> el 2 de julio de 1652, cuando fue madrina de bautizo de un nieto o
> nieta (no
> especifica). Por entonces tenía como 80 años.
>
> Mas adelante menciona que su hija Catalina López de Portugal
> llevaba el
> nombre y apellido López como su abuela paterna, Catalina López de
> la Madrid,
> seguido por "de Portugal". Catalina contrajo matrimonio con el
> Capitán
> Esteban de Anda Altamirano antes del documento de 1608. En ese
> documento
> Esteban aparece como "yerno" de Diego Gómez de Portugal. Esteban
> era hijo
> del Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano y Beatriz González de Castañeda.
>
> El Capitán Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal
> tuvieron
> cinco hijos que llegaron a adultos: Pedro, María, Beatriz, Esteban
> y Tomás.
> Cuando el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano casó con Catalina Sáenz de
> Vidaurre y Saavedra el 28 de julio de 1648, ya su madre había muerto.
> Esteban de Anda Altamirano aún vivía en 1652.
>
> Me parece que el Lic. Mariano González Leal se equivocó al escribir
> en su
> libro que el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano era hijo del Capitán
> Juan de
> Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de Nava y Guerra. Que yo sepa, ellos
> tuvieron siete hijos: Ana, María, Joseph, Teresa, Juan, Mariana e
> Isabel de
> Anda Altamirano.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez" >>
> To: "Nuestros Ranchos" >>
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:10 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.
>
>
>
> Hola amigos, tengo una duda desde hace vario tiempo y es que en el
> IGI está
> un registro en el que se menciona al Capitán Pedro de Anda
> Altamirano, quien
> casó con Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre el 28 de junio de 1648 en Santa
> María de
> los Lagos, Nueva Galicia. Y menciona dicho registro, que el capitán
> es hijo
> de Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal.
>
> Mi duda surge cuando en el libro del Lic. Mariano González Leal
> menciona al
> capitán como hijo del Capitán Juan de Anda Altamirano y de Juana
> Ruiz de
> Nava.
>
> Alguno de ustedes sabe en realidad ¿De quién es hijo el Capitán
> Pedro de
> Anda Altamirano?
>
> Saludos.
> Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
>
>

Comment

Hi Carlos and Emily,

I have only seen bits and pieces of personal letters from Jaime Holcombe
written in the early nineties, before he passed away in 1995. However, I
think you had a great idea, Carlos. It would be great if you could get
permission from his family to make copies of his unfinished book "NOSOTROS".
Jaime was a thorough researcher who spent countless hours working on his
genealogy, shared by many members of Nuestros Ranchos. It could even be
digitized and uploaded to the NR website. I certainly would be one
interested in seeing as much of his work as possible, even if it is not
complete.

BILL FIGUEROA.

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Hi Emilie,

I have have a copy of Jaime Holcombe genealogy which he entitled, Nosotros.
I was to publish his work, but he needed to make some corrctions. He pass
on before he could get back with me. If you, Nuestros Ranchos, feels that
it would be of value I could try and located his family and obtain
permission to make copies.

Let me know you feelings.

Carlos M. Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

---- Emilie Garcia wrote:
I have seen several mentions of records by Jaime Holcombe. How do you
access his information? Are there certain batch numbers?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Jorge,

Según Jaime Holcombe, el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien fuera
casado con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra, era hijo de Esteban de
Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal. Hablando de Diego Gómez de
Portugal, padre de Catalina, dice Holcombe que un documento ... (...)

Comment

I, too, would be interested in reading Mr. Holcombe's notes. He was indeed very thorough, and seemed to have a sixth sense about the research...besides his countless hours!

Connie Dominguez

---- Bill Figueroa wrote:

=============
Hi Carlos and Emily,

I have only seen bits and pieces of personal letters from Jaime Holcombe
written in the early nineties, before he passed away in 1995. However, I
think you had a great idea, Carlos. It would be great if you could get
permission from his family to make copies of his unfinished book "NOSOTROS".
Jaime was a thorough researcher who spent countless hours working on his
genealogy, shared by many members of Nuestros Ranchos. It could even be
digitized and uploaded to the NR website. I certainly would be one
interested in seeing as much of his work as possible, even if it is not
complete.

BILL FIGUEROA.

----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Hi Emilie,

I have have a copy of Jaime Holcombe genealogy which he entitled, Nosotros.
I was to publish his work, but he needed to make some corrctions. He pass
on before he could get back with me. If you, Nuestros Ranchos, feels that
it would be of value I could try and located his family and obtain
permission to make copies.

Let me know you feelings.

Carlos M. Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

---- Emilie Garcia wrote:
I have seen several mentions of records by Jaime Holcombe. How do you
access his information? Are there certain batch numbers?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Jorge,

Según Jaime Holcombe, el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien fuera
casado con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra, era hijo de Esteban de
Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal. Hablando de Diego Gómez de
Portugal, padre de Catalina, dice Holcombe que un documento ... (...)

Comment

I`m interested too.
 
Rgds,
 
Juan José Ramírez Ibarra

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Bill Figueroa wrote:

From: Bill Figueroa
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 1:51 PM

Hi Carlos and Emily,

I have only seen bits and pieces of personal letters from Jaime Holcombe
written in the early nineties, before he passed away in 1995.  However, I
think you had a great idea, Carlos.  It would be great if you could get
permission from his family to make copies of his unfinished book "NOSOTROS"..
Jaime was a thorough researcher who spent countless hours working on his
genealogy, shared by many members of Nuestros Ranchos.  It could even be
digitized and uploaded to the NR website. I certainly would be one
interested in seeing as much of his work as possible, even if it is not
complete.

BILL FIGUEROA.

----- Original Message ----- From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Hi Emilie,

I have have a copy of Jaime Holcombe genealogy which he entitled, Nosotros.
I was to publish his work, but he needed to make some corrctions.  He pass
on before he could get back with me.  If you, Nuestros Ranchos, feels that
it would be of value I could try and located his family and obtain
permission to make copies.

Let me know you feelings.

Carlos M. Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

---- Emilie Garcia wrote:
I have seen several mentions of records by Jaime Holcombe.  How do you
access his information?  Are there certain batch numbers?

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Figueroa
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Jorge,

Según Jaime Holcombe, el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien fuera
casado con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra, era hijo de Esteban de
Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal.  Hablando de Diego Gómez de
Portugal, padre de Catalina, dice Holcombe que un documento ... (...)

Comment

Carlos,
What a wonderful idea! I'm sure that the group would find it a great resource and a means for Jaime Holcombe's extensive work to live on.
Alice Blake

--- cyturralde@cox.net wrote:

From:
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:51:03 -0700

Hi Emilie,

I have have a copy of Jaime Holcombe genealogy which he entitled, Nosotros. I was to publish his work, but he needed to make some corrctions. He pass on before he could get back with me. If you, Nuestros Ranchos, feels that it would be of value I could try and located his family and obtain permission to make copies.

Let me know you feelings.

Carlos M. Yturralde
Hispanic Heritage Project

---- Emilie Garcia wrote:
> I have seen several mentions of records by Jaime Holcombe. How do you access his information? Are there certain batch numbers?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Figueroa
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.
>
>
> Jorge,
>
> Según Jaime Holcombe, el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien fuera
> casado con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra, era hijo de Esteban de
> Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal. Hablando de Diego Gómez de
> Portugal, padre de Catalina, dice Holcombe que un documento de 1608 que se
> encuentra en el Archivo General de Indias, se menciona que Diego era "Juez
> de Mesta y Hermandad" cuando heredó "Taliscoya". Aún vivía en 1635 cuando
> dos de sus hijas, Magdalena y Angelina, contrajeron matrimonio el 18 de
> febrero de ese mismo año. (LDS Film 0221879 Matrimonios 1583-1590 1605-1638
> Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco). Aparentemente Diego
> murió a los pocos meses, como se encuentra registrado en el "moribus et
> vita" de uno de sus hijos. Su viuda, María García de Arrona, todavía vivía
> el 2 de julio de 1652, cuando fue madrina de bautizo de un nieto o nieta (no
> especifica). Por entonces tenía como 80 años.
>
> Mas adelante menciona que su hija Catalina López de Portugal llevaba el
> nombre y apellido López como su abuela paterna, Catalina López de la Madrid,
> seguido por "de Portugal". Catalina contrajo matrimonio con el Capitán
> Esteban de Anda Altamirano antes del documento de 1608. En ese documento
> Esteban aparece como "yerno" de Diego Gómez de Portugal. Esteban era hijo
> del Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano y Beatriz González de Castañeda.
>
> El Capitán Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal tuvieron
> cinco hijos que llegaron a adultos: Pedro, María, Beatriz, Esteban y Tomás.
> Cuando el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano casó con Catalina Sáenz de
> Vidaurre y Saavedra el 28 de julio de 1648, ya su madre había muerto.
> Esteban de Anda Altamirano aún vivía en 1652.
>
> Me parece que el Lic. Mariano González Leal se equivocó al escribir en su
> libro que el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano era hijo del Capitán Juan de
> Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de Nava y Guerra. Que yo sepa, ellos
> tuvieron siete hijos: Ana, María, Joseph, Teresa, Juan, Mariana e Isabel de
> Anda Altamirano.
>
> BILL FIGUEROA
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez" >
> To: "Nuestros Ranchos" >
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:10 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.
>
>
>
> Hola amigos, tengo una duda desde hace vario tiempo y es que en el IGI está
> un registro en el que se menciona al Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien
> casó con Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre el 28 de junio de 1648 en Santa María de
> los Lagos, Nueva Galicia. Y menciona dicho registro, que el capitán es hijo
> de Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal.
>
> Mi duda surge cuando en el libro del Lic. Mariano González Leal menciona al
> capitán como hijo del Capitán Juan de Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de
> Nava.
>
> Alguno de ustedes sabe en realidad ¿De quién es hijo el Capitán Pedro de
> Anda Altamirano?
>
> Saludos.
> Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
>
>
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Bill, gracias por compartir esta información acerca de Pedro de Anda Altamirano y Catalina Saenz de Vidaurri, pues son mis abuelos, y hacia tiempo que no encontraba una conección solida, pues no se puede confiar, siempre en el I.G.I.  Solamente una cosa más, para que completes el cuadro.
 
Lorenzo de Anda Altamirano &
Getrudis Camacho Riquelme  #  595 (Sagrada Mitra Guadalajara.)
 
Hijos de Lorenzo y Getrudiz Camacho.
Joaquin de Anda Altamirano # 595
Pedro de Anda Altamirano  # 720
Bernardino de Anda Altamirano # 668
Melchor de Anda Altamirano, caso 20 Oct 1711, Jalos. Casó Ma. Muñoz Hermosillo.
 
Pedro y Catalina tubieron un hijo, Lorenzo de Anda que nacio, el 21 Aug 1650, en Lagos
de Moreno.
 
La pregunta es, este Lorenzo hijo de Pedro y Catalina es el mismo Lorenzo casado con
Getrudis Camacho Riquelme.  Te agradecería cualquier información.

--- On Sat, 8/22/09, Bill Figueroa wrote:

From: Bill Figueroa
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 12:13 PM

Jorge,

Según Jaime Holcombe, el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien fuera casado con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra, era hijo de Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal.  Hablando de Diego Gómez de Portugal, padre de Catalina, dice Holcombe que un documento de 1608 que se encuentra en el Archivo General de Indias, se menciona que Diego era "Juez de Mesta y Hermandad" cuando heredó "Taliscoya".  Aún vivía en 1635 cuando dos de sus hijas, Magdalena y Angelina, contrajeron matrimonio el 18 de febrero de ese mismo año.  (LDS Film 0221879 Matrimonios 1583-1590 1605-1638 Santa María de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco).  Aparentemente Diego murió a los pocos meses, como se encuentra registrado en el "moribus et vita" de uno de sus hijos. Su viuda, María García de Arrona, todavía vivía el 2 de julio de 1652, cuando fue madrina de bautizo de un nieto o nieta (no especifica).  Por entonces tenía como 80 años.

Mas adelante menciona que su hija Catalina López de Portugal llevaba el nombre y apellido López como su abuela paterna, Catalina López de la Madrid, seguido por "de Portugal".  Catalina contrajo matrimonio con el Capitán Esteban de Anda Altamirano antes del documento de 1608.  En ese documento Esteban aparece como "yerno" de Diego Gómez de Portugal.  Esteban era hijo del Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano y Beatriz González de Castañeda.

El Capitán Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal tuvieron cinco hijos que llegaron a adultos: Pedro, María, Beatriz, Esteban y Tomás. Cuando el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano casó con Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre y Saavedra el 28 de julio de 1648, ya su madre había muerto. Esteban de Anda Altamirano aún vivía en 1652.

Me parece que el Lic. Mariano González Leal se equivocó al escribir en su libro que el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano era hijo del Capitán Juan de Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de Nava y Guerra.  Que yo sepa, ellos tuvieron siete hijos: Ana, María, Joseph, Teresa, Juan, Mariana e Isabel de Anda Altamirano.

BILL FIGUEROA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez"
To: "Nuestros Ranchos"
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano.

Hola amigos, tengo una duda desde hace vario tiempo y es que en el IGI está un registro en el que se menciona al Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, quien casó con Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre el 28 de junio de 1648 en Santa María de los Lagos, Nueva Galicia. Y menciona dicho registro, que el capitán es hijo de Esteban de Anda Altamirano y Catalina López de Portugal.

Mi duda surge cuando en el libro del Lic. Mariano González Leal menciona al capitán como hijo del Capitán Juan de Anda Altamirano y de Juana Ruiz de Nava.

Alguno de ustedes sabe en realidad ¿De quién es hijo el Capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano?

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

Comment

Hola Celestino,

Gracias por la información de los descendientes de Lorenzo de Anda
Altamirano y Gertrudis Camacho Riquelme. Precisamente este Lorenzo es el
hijo de Pedro de Anda Altamirano y Catalina Sáenz de Vidaurre, tus
ancestros. Creo que los siguientes datos provienen de Jaime Holcombe, pero
no estoy seguro. Como quiera que sea, vienen del fondo de acervos
notariales del Archivo Histórico de Jalisco o Zacatecas.

Santa María de los Lagos, 6 de octubre 1673. Catalina de Vidaurre, viuda
del capitán Pedro de Anda Altamirano, da poder a su hijo Lorenzo de Anda
Altamirano para vender un esclavo. fjs. (131-131v)

141. Venta de esclavo.
Zacatecas, 24 de octubre de 1673. Lorenzo de Anda Altamirano en voz y poder
de Catalina de Vidaurre su madre, vende a Pablo Nuñez, vecino minero, un
esclavo en 150 pesos en reales. fj. (129v)

Lorenzo tuvo un hermano menor llamado Luis, bautizado el 07 Sep 1653 en
Santa María de los Lagos. No se nada mas de él.

Mañana contesto tus otras preguntas. Es media noche en Dallas y me muero de
sueño.

Saludos,

BILL FIGUEROA

Comment

Gracias Bill por aclararme la duda, pero como dijo Celestino, también hay un hijo de Juan de Anda Altamirano y Juana Ruiz de Nava de nombre Pedro de Anda Altamirano quien nació aprox. en las mismas fechas que el Pedro que se menciona como hijo de Esteban y Catalina López de Portugal. Es por ello que se hacia mas grande la duda.

Y pues yo también tengo como padres de Lorenzo de Anda Altamirano a Pedro de Anda Altamirano y Catalina Saenz de Vidaurre. Yo desciendo de dos hijos de Lorenzo de Anda Altamirano y Gertrudis Camacho Riquelme, que son Joaquín, casado con María Magdalena Martín del Campo; y de Pedro, casado con María Clara Pérez Franco.

Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.

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Beatriz Lopez de Ayala

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HI everyone,
This is a repost from a few weeks ago.
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Published by maven200 – Tue, 2016-09-20 12:24 | Permalink

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Marcelina- Buen consejo. Haria esa búsqueda en siguiente- Gracias

Thanks Obed. Great advice. Maybe someone is looking for her? or Alonso. Hope u are well. Pauline

Published by Octoberfly – Mon, 2016-09-19 06:26 | Permalink

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Pauline, this is a very goood question. Hopefully, one of the members can address this question. I've always wondered if there are any communities in europe who are at brick wall when their ancestors records fall off after they left for the new world, and they just need to connect with us who are on this side of the brick wall.

O.E.

Published by Marcelina Macias – Tue, 2016-09-13 22:23 | Permalink

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Hola Pauline:

Los padres de Beatriz fueron Pedro López de Ayala y Teresa de Recalde.

Beatriz pasó con Pánfilo de Narváez y casó tres veces.

Las historias de Alonso de Arévalo y de Beatriz y de los hijos de estos, que son:

1. Pedro López de Ayala
2. Gonzalo López de Ayala
3. Diego López de Ayala
4. Pedro de Arévalo

La historia de estos y sus descendientes se encuentra en el libro Andariegos y Pobladores de Nueva Galicia de Miguel Romero de Solís (pdf) que puedes ver en línea.

Saludos

Marcelina

Comment

Hola Marcelina,
Gracias por la informacion. Tengo los datos de Andariegos y Pobladores de Nueva Galicia.

Actualmente estoy investigando las raíces de beatriz en España y las de Alonso de Arévalo. Los dos son mis ancestros.
Mi pregunta fue si hay confirmación de su nacimiento en Sevilla ? También, su padre era Pedro Lopez de Ayala . ¿Está relacionado con la casa de López de Ayala de Toledo?

Por favor dejame saber.
Mil Gracias,
Pauline

Comment

Hola Pauline:

No he estudiado la familia López de Ayala e infortunadamente la Guía General del Archivo General de la Nación no se encuentra funcionando. Pues en esa Guía se encuentran los expedientes de gobernación de la Nueva España.

Hay otras ramas de los López de Ayala, una en el nobiliario de Extremadura y otra en Murcia, ya las consulté pero no pude encontrar alguna relación con los padres de Doña Beatriz.

Saludos

Marcelina

Comment

Ya tratastes de buscar en la base de datos PARES.

Los primeros archivos en esa base de datos es la tripulación de Colón.

On Sep 16, 2016 11:29 AM, wrote:

> Hola Marcelina, Gracias por la informacion. Tengo los datos de Andariegos y
> Pobladores de Nueva Galicia. Actualmente estoy investigando las raíces de
> beatriz en España y las de Alonso de Arévalo. Los dos son mis ancestros. Mi
> pregunta fue si hay confirmación de su nacimiento en Sevilla ? También, su
> padre era Pedro Lopez de Ayala . ¿Está relacionado con la casa de López de
> Ayala de Toledo? Por favor dejame saber. Mil Gracias, Pauline
>

Comment

Gracias. En la tripulación de Colon había dos Arévalos. Creo q puede ser el siguiente:

Alonso de Arévalo ballestero de Arévalo.

La única diferencia es su cuidad. ¿Probablemente la familia era de Arévalo en vez de Berlanga?
Pauline

Jose Candelario Delgadillo

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Hello, all. I am hoping to get some help finding information for my ancestory, Jose Candelario Delgadillo. He was married 27 June 1773 in Cuquio, Jalisco, to

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