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Bautismos de Hijos Legitimos

Great Stories Elvira. . .i didn't know about the "No Pago" records but
just had a feeling that there were and continue to be an assortment of
records in each parish that have not been microfilmed and have not been
made available to the general public. Your stories show this is true.
Thanks for sharing and keep your accounts coming.



If you ever want to get some of your families oral history recorded and
up on my podcast let me know. This goes for others as well, just
organize some of the more interesting stories and we'll work out the
details of getting them recorded.



thanks,



joseph





elviraz wrote:



Arturo, Emilie,
 
 See my comments below.


Elvira
 


----- Original Message Follows -----

From: "Arturo Ramos" arturo.ramos2@...>

To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [ranchos] Re: Bautismos de Hijos Legitimos

Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 06:10:58 -0000
 
> You know that's right Elvira. 
I talk to the Nordic people

> at my  family history center and they

Bautismos de Hijos Legitimos


Arturo, Emilie,
 
 See my comments below.

Elvira
 

----- Original Message Follows -----
From: "Arturo Ramos" arturo.ramos2@...>
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[ranchos] Re: Bautismos de Hijos Legitimos
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 06:10:58
-0000
 
> You know that's right Elvira.  I talk to the Nordic
people
> at my  family history center and they cannot believe
that
> there are even  records for Mexico in the 1700s let
alone
> records that list maternal  and paternal names up to
the
> grandparents... along with race/caste,  etc.  As wrong
as
> the motives may have been for maintaining all of  this
>
information... knowledge=control and the maintainance of
> information
like this was obviously meant to categorize
> and keep  people in
their place.  Nevertheless this
> information gives us a 
beautiful window into the lives
> of our ancestors.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
used to work  in a place where it was common to have to

Archivo General de la Nación. Guía General: Nueva España

Thanks Emilie,



your post below has inspired me to create a new folder in the Links
area called:

Divisions, Estados, Cabezeras, etc.



Have a look:



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/links/Divisions__Estados___001131287693/



joseph





Emilie Garcia wrote:


cite="">
 
 
This map really helps me visualize the location of the earliest
provinces settled by the Conquistadores.  Now I know where Nueva
Galicia, Nueva Vizcaya, Nueva Leon, Nueva Santander, Nuevo Mexico, etc.
were.  This map also shows Texas, Louisiana, and Florida and the
Philipines as Spanish territories.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Archivo General de la Nación. Guía General: Nueva España

 


 

This map really helps me visualize the location of the earliest
provinces settled by the Conquistadores.  Now I know where Nueva Galicia,
Nueva Vizcaya, Nueva Leon, Nueva Santander, Nuevo Mexico, etc. were.  This
map also shows Texas, Louisiana, and Florida and the Philipines as Spanish
territories.

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---

Settling of Nueva Galicia; early 16th Century

 


 

In the above link to History of Mexico - Indigenous Jalisco, this article
by John P. Schmal states that the colonial province of Nueva Galicia included,
besides Jalisco,  only present-day Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Nayarit and
the northwest corner San Luis Potosi, and that the Spaniards and
some Indian allies began settlement there in the early 16th
century.   The article also describes which Indian tribes
settled in various towns.  This article sounds familiar.  Maybe
someone has posted a link to it before?

 

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA ---

Bautismos de Hijos Legitimos

Yes, Arturo,
 
It is so frustrating to know that Anglos here don't have a clue about our
history.  They are amazed when I request records for 1640, or mention
that I just downloaded a census for 1650, for example.  They say "They have
records in Mexico that go back that far?--Who wrote them?"  (they have no
clue as to how literate and educated the priests and notaries public
were).  I tell them that I can trace some ancestors to 1543 (in Panuco,
Zacatecas).  I just can't trace all the lines back that far and there are
such huge gaps sometimes due to the upheavals caused in the founding of a nation
and opening up of frontiers and the passage of time.  I tell them that
Jerez where my father was born is on the National Register of Historical Places
in Mexico as a well-preserved Spanish Colonial city founded in the early
1500s.  They think their 1620 settlements in Massachusetts are the oldest
in the Americas. I don't even think they realize how far back our
pre-Colombian

Bautismos de Hijos Legitimos vs. Hijos Naturales de Jerez, Zac.

Muchisimas gracias, Jose,
 
Yes, someone else sent me that film number that I didn't know about because
I had always searched for Jerez, not knowing that Jerez is now called Ciudad
Garcia.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 4:43
PM
Subject: [ranchos] Bautismos de Hijos
Legitimos vs. Hijos Naturales de Jerez, Zac.

Hi Emilie:
 
Among the microfilms listed in the FHLC from Jerez, Zac. there are some entitled
"bautismos de Hijos Naturales", but I don't saw any
of the 1903 year. ¿Do you has had this microfilms? Another option is
"Registro Civil" In these last records, there is
1903 year:
 
Nacimientos 1903-1904
FHL INTL Film
1081921
 
I think that is good idea see this microfilm, maybe, that records missing
are that which repository was the parish, but for the information

MARIA LETICIA LEON MORALES (caleta58@...) New Folder/File



I've made a new folder and location for Leticia's file called:

class="descr">genealogia De Cos Y Leon





href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/AAAAA-Genealogies/MARIA%20LETICIA%20LEON%20MORALES%20%28caleta58%40yahoo.es%29/">MARIA
LETICIA LEON MORALES (caleta58@...)



Ayotlan, Arandas, rancho Puertecito, rancho Paso
Bajo, Jesus Maria, Jalisco



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ranchos2/files/AAAAA-Genealogies/MARIA%20LETICIA%20LEON%20MORALES%20%28caleta58%40yahoo.es%29/



[if this long link wraps just go to the Ranchos2 files area and under
AAAAA-Genealogies you'll see her folder and file]



joseph