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Cultural Identity

Natalie, your story reminded me of my mom's - growing up in East Los
Angeles in the 40' and 50's.  She never taught us Spanish for the same
reasons you stated - she actually did suffer punishments from Caucasian teachers
who would state "you're in America now...speak English!".  She and my
father were both born here,  but my mom got "Americanized" because of this
attitude towards Spanish-speaking communities.  Luckily, when she married
my dad, my grandmother spoke nothing but Spanish and my mom had to re-learn
throught watching, with her mother-in-law, the novelas! 
I feel soooo left out that I don't know Spanish and so ill-equipped when
trying to read old microfilms when doing my genealogical research. 
 
Well,
needless to say that I'm trying to bring back my culture to my sisters (both
older), my kids (16 and 12) and re-introduce it to my mom, who lost it along the
way.  That's why finding my roots is so important to me and I'm feel so
lucky to be part of this group!
 

Cultural Identity

Dear Alicia and Emilie:
Thank you so very much for sharing your experiences and insights 
regarding cultural identity.
Your remininiscences remind me of one of the first "rules" of 
genealogy - to always start with what you know best, yourself. For 
myself, it is advice I have NOT followed, though I am always quick to 
remind others. Perhaps one day ;)
I grew up in the 40's & 50's in southern California. Although I am 
sure I heard a lot of Spanish at home before starting school, and 
probably spoke with those family members who spoke no English, once I 
started school, English was all I spoke, and English was all my 
parents spoke to me, probably recalling punishments, etc, for 
speaking Spanish in school when they were growing up. So I am not 
bilingual, and I married a gringo (Anglo mongrel, with possibly some 
Cherokee). We have 5  children - three with a Spanish middle name, 
and two with first names, Laura and Elena. (The other middle names 
are Maria Silveria, Joaquin, and

Cultural Identity

Alicia,
 
Your story of growing up in a multi-ethnic community sounds so much like
mine.  My husband and I were brought to San Jose as small children in 1947,
me from New Mexico and my husband from El Paso, TX, and we grew up in an
Italian neighborhood (the old Goose Town area -that flooded often---near Sacred
Heart church--between Willow Street and Alma Street), went to school with
Japanese and Filipinos; I later worked with new Cuban and Vietnamese
immigrants when our country opened up to refugees from those countries.  I
still feel close to Italian and Japanese culture, and remember fondly all their
customs and festivals there in the Valley. Perhaps that is why we learned
everything Italian, and we consider it our second adopted
ethnicity. Although not all the Italians initially were friendly to us,
they more than the Anglos eventually embraced us due to being Catholic, and the
similarity between our languages.  We know of some of those Italians
who snubbed not only

Sauz de los Marquez: census data

1817 for the Colotlan area but the Ranchos is made in reference to
Santa Maria de los Angeles and the rancho in the record is listed as
"Sauz de los Marquez" which is in present day Zacatecas.



I'll add the other 2 pages of that census to the links and the next
rancho "Salto de los Romeros" and a map in a folder in the links called
"Salto de los Romeros" {how imaginative, huh?)



joseph





Susana Leniski wrote:

Joseph:
 
The page of census data that you
sent. What years are we talking about? What is the location?.
I agree with you I think is the same
family
Tu prima susana
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Sent:
Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:47 PM
Subject:
Re: [ranchos] census data

dear Prima Susana,



pages of info for your town that are similar but in some cases not
nearly as nice and ledgeable as these. . .also they don't always give
so much info (age, status, ethnic.

Cultural Identity

Linda,
 
Just to put in my dos centavos. I personally could not tell anyone else how or what they should tell someone their nationality is, each one of us is responsible for that very personal reply.
From a personal persepctive If I were US born I would say I was a US citizen and only if I chose to go into more detail would I feel compelled to tell anyone anything other than that.
I was not US born and was born in Mexico and brought here when I was two. Most people don't think of asking when I am alone but when with my husband who is moreno they might ask. We then both reply that we are Mexican if asked. Whenever we go to restaurants, hardware store, grocery store or any other place where we interface with Mexicans or latinos we always go out of our way to speak spanish or to deal with them in our first language. Aside from making us feel better as well as making them feel good that they are spoken to in their language,
we get preferential treatment. Occasionaly we are mistaken

census data

Joseph:
 
The page of census data that you sent. What years
are we talking about? What is the location?.
I agree with you I think is the same
family
Tu prima susana
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:47
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] census data

dear Prima Susana,

pages of info for your town that are
similar but in some cases not nearly as nice and ledgeable as these. . .also
they don't always give so much info (age, status,
ethnic.

joseph

ps: by the way this page is the page that shows
how you and I are probably cousins. That Francisco Muro is probably the same
one that was married to the Señas Salas (according to Carol Turner) in your
genealogy and he is living next dore to my Vital Muro. I have more evidence
like them baptising each others children (padrinos and naming children after
each other, well Vital did anyway). No exact proof but pretty strong evidence

double surnames and Cultural Identity

Well said Ed, I had heard that before... maybe part of my problem is 
a feeling of unwarrented guilt, I'm not even sure of what!  All my 
ancestors ever asked of us was not to sully the name Castanon, no 
more no less.. not a word about where we came from but more about 
where we are going.. thank you for your well thought out input.
Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I want to thank everyone for the input on double surnames...Many 
of
> us did not marry Hispanic but would have kept our 
> > maiden name regardless. Just like someone said, it's a matter of 
> > family pride..
> > 
> > One more question.. which is 'politically' correct to designate 
our 
> > nationality of origin if we or our ancestors were from Mexico... 
> > Hispanic, Latino, Mexican-American or American-Mexican?  I find 
I 
> > really upset some people when I call myself

double surnames and Cultural Identity

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
>
> I want to thank everyone for the input on double surnames...Many of
us did not marry Hispanic but would have kept our 
> maiden name regardless. Just like someone said, it's a matter of 
> family pride..
> 
> One more question.. which is 'politically' correct to designate our 
> nationality of origin if we or our ancestors were from Mexico... 
> Hispanic, Latino, Mexican-American or American-Mexican?  I find I 
> really upset some people when I call myself Hispanic. I'm told that 
> excludes my Indio blood... People ask me what my nationality is 
> because I'm just brown enough to not be Anglo but have light green 
> eyes, my sister get's the same thing and she has blue eyes and 
> freckles. I still laugh when told I don't look like a Mexican... what 
> does a Mexican look like!!!!
> 
> Linda in Everett

Linda,

I have debated for a number of days responding to this and I wish to
offend no one. In

census data

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski"  wrote:
>
> I was looking at the census data of Dr. Platt. (the links is in
Ranchos). Some of the films that he talks about  for zacatecas and
Jalisco are as follows:
> 
>  Has anyone seen any of these films? What  type of information do
you find in them?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Susana Leniski
> 

Susana,

I have looked at a few of these. All of the ones I saw were not
indexed so you have to have the patience of a saint (so what is new in
genealgoy research) to find useful information. I did not find any of
my relatives but my time was limited given my sometimes very impatient
personality. What is useful is that you can see who was living with
whom, e.g. family nucleus, which included other relatives or whomever
with different surnames. Ages were also given but no data on parents,
grandparents, origins. Some of the towns were listed by street names
with residents of such.

As with most census records the government is simply

Jan 31, 2006 Final Notice

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In a message dated 1/18/2006 2:55:03 A.M. Central Standard Time,
makas@... writes:   Sinceramente,

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Puentes Dueño/Mediador

Re;    
laredotxkid    

 

 

Joseph Puentes-Dueno/Mediador:

 

Thanks for carrying me in your authorized list/Club for this long. Please
do what you have to do.

 

Again thanks.

 

Jerry Benavides

 

 

 

 

 

 

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