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Navigating the IGI

Emilie,

Yes, it takes a lot of manipulating of surnames to find people.  
There was a previous post regarding all the tricks.  Check out 
message #155 from about two years ago for part of them.  I personally 
like the "exact spelling" check box.  It has lead me to many break 
throughs...

Good luck on your search,
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
> Recently I sat down after a long time away from browsing the 
FamilySearchcom's IGI database, and after many years of searching, I 
found three more generations back on my father's side who were from 
Tepetongo, Zacatecas, and all in one sitting.  I had tried looking 
for these people for years, but had no luck, and they were there all 
the time. I guess the other day their spirits were with me (I do 
beseech them to show themselves), and they wanted to be found.  It is 
funny that sometimes I can find people in the IGI, for myself and 
others, and sometimes I can't.  
> 
> Shortly

Tepetongo, Zacatecas

what specific ranchos and surnames are you investigating in Tepetongo?



I'm researching Santa Maria, Miranda, Espinoza, Ortiz, Nava, Lugo,
Garcia, de la Torre from the El Salitral or possibly another rancho
called Salitrillo. Then there is Varela, Bañuelos, Sandoval, and
Sanchez from El Salitral.



joseph





Emilie Garcia wrote:

Recently I sat down after a long time away from browsing the
FamilySearch.com's IGI database, and after many years of searching, I
found three more generations back on my father's side who were from
Tepetongo, Zacatecas, and all in one sitting.  I had tried looking for
these people for years, but had no luck, and they were there all the
time. I guess the other day their spirits were with me (I do beseech
them to show themselves), and they wanted to be found.  It is funny
that sometimes I can find people in the IGI, for myself and others, and
sometimes I can't. 
 
Shortly after learning my way around the IGI, I started really
digging up stuff.  By trial

Research Helps

Victor,

I have experienced the same issues as you.  It is very frustrating 
not to be able to download more than 50 records.  Also I own the VRI 
cds and they have the same limitations, except the cap is 100 
records.  As a mentioned in a previous post, I tried to download all 
the records into my family tree program and then reconcile them.  
Except, (i am little slow, and...) it took me a while to realize that 
even though I would tag over a hundred records it was only 
downloading the first 100.  Had to throw out that work and start 
again, since I couldn't figure out which records I was missing.  So I 
started again and downloaded a 100 records at a time.  But then I 
realized that I was downloading some records twice...argh...  
Needless to say...I gave up.  Couldn't figure out a good way to do it.

I wish I had access to the raw data.  Then I could manipulate it as I 
pleased.  I figured since I had the cds, it must be on there 
somewhere.  But I have not been able to figure it

Navigating the IGI

 

Hi
Emilie!

Your message (below)
is very interesting and very helpful, especially to me!  I also experience
the same "right frame of mind" that you refer to except that I say that "my
ancestors are talking to me!".......sometimes it is by way of a dream or a
feeling I get!  I know it sounds weird but it is true!  To get back to
"reality"  :-)   the article you refer to is George R. Ryskamp's
book "Finding Your Hispanic Roots" which is still available for
sale.   On another note, there are two books I highly recommend on
this subject of "frame of mind" etc......they are two books by Henry Z. Jones,
Jr.  One is "Psychic Roots" and the second is "More Psychic
Roots"

I enjoy reading all
the messages and want ALL OF YOU to know that I appreciate it very much! 
That is one of the things I like most about this group....the unselfish sharing
and willingness to help!  I am certain that ALL our ancestors are having a
ball watching us!    :-)

Josie Trevino Trevino
in San Antonio

Navigating the IGI

Hello Emily,

Thanks for sharing.  I have learned practically all of the tricks of
searching the IGI, including the one you wish to know:  the wildcard.
(%).  It works fine in the First Name and Last Name fields.  But don't
tell anyone that I told you!!

The best way to search the IGI is by batch number.  The problem is you
first need to build your own database of available batch numbers for
the locality that you're searching.

Un Saludo Cordial
Victor



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia" 
wrote:
> Recently I sat down after a long time away from browsing the
FamilySearchcom's IGI database, and after many years of searching, I
found three more generations back on my father's side who were from
Tepetongo, Zacatecas, and all in one sitting.  I had tried looking for
these people for years, but had no luck, and they were there all the
time. I guess the other day their spirits were with me (I do beseech
them to show themselves), and they wanted to be found

Navigating the IGI

Recently I sat down after a long time away from browsing the FamilySearch.com's IGI database, and after many years of searching, I found three more generations back on my father's side who were from Tepetongo, Zacatecas, and all in one sitting.  I had tried looking for these people for years, but had no luck, and they were there all the time. I guess the other day their spirits were with me (I do beseech them to show themselves), and they wanted to be found.  It is funny that sometimes I can find people in the IGI, for myself and others, and sometimes I can't. 
 
Shortly after learning my way around the IGI, I started really digging up stuff.  By trial and error, and thinking out of the box, I discovered ways to locate my Mexican ancestors in the IGI.  I guess by studying the naming customs in Mexico and the way the transcribers think, I developed a sense of how they may be listed.  I think it is George Ryskamp that has an article somewhere that I recently read on how to navigate the

Posadas

My husband, who grew up in El Paso, TX, remembers Posadas there in the 1940's when he was a small boy.  For some reason, just the other day, he was singing a song they used to sing during these Christmas processions.  The children would go from house to house, dressed as the Holy Family seeking shelter for the night, and when they would knock, the residents would sing (in Spanish), "Who goes there?  Maybe it is someone come to rob us?", and the participants in the procession would sing back, "It is Jose and Maria, seeking shelter", then they would be invited in for refreshments, etc.  I wish I could relate the lyrics in Spanish.  I will ask my husband later to write them down.  For some reason, he remembers the Posadas fondly (and not just at Christmas, it seems) a good memory from his childhood.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA.---




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Research Helps

Jonathan,

Good to know about your work.  When it comes to doing research on the
IGI, I've always wondered if it would be possible to query the
database thru a more flexible or versatile user interface, like one
that could use a greater number of filtering criteria, among other things.

I don't understand either the reasons, for example, of limiting the
download of recordsets to 50 records at a time.  Why aren't we allowed
to download a full recordset by batch number instead. Just imagine if
we could process a batch of records at once and have some kind of
tools to normalize and reconcile all the records in a whole book!  

That would be a blessing not only for genealogists but for the Church
 own purposes and everyone else.  Short of being able to display
online the digital image of the parochial records, these are some of
the things that I would like to see.  Just some thoughts!

Best Regards!
Victor Villarreal

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "mexicanfhr"  wrote:
>

The Posada

When I was a kid, we use to go to Momax, Zacatecas every other 
Christmas Break.  We would spend about 2-3 weeks in Mexico visiting all 
the relatives.  In Momax, they would celebrate the Posada.  At the end 
they would pass out candy, peanuts and oranges to all the kids...happy 
memories... ;-)

Also, regarding a previous inquiring relating to "Day of the Dead."  My 
family didn't celebrate this ritural from the way I see people 
celebrating today, but they did go to the cementery on "All Saints Day" 
and/or "All Souls Day", which is the same day as "Day of the Dead".  
Normally they would take a reef of flowers and pray the rosary.

Just my two centavos...
Angie Godina

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> someone asked me about the "Posada" ritual.
> 
> maybe it was happening around me in CA when I wasn't looking but for 
the 
> life of me I don't know anything about this. Can someone give me a 
clue 
> as to whether or not my relatives living in

Research Helps

Victor,

I am in the process, of developing my own tools.  Because several
years ago, I went to the FHL in Salt Lake, looking for some tools. 
And I was told that what I was looking for did not exist,  And that if
I wanted it.  I would have to write myself.  So That is what I am doing.  

And I figureed who should know better about what researchers need and
want, that people who are doing reseach.  And that is why I was asking.

Jonathan

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "v.h.villarreal" 
wrote:
> Hello Jonathan,
> 
> Could you please elaborate a little on your question.  Are you
> currently developing research tools on your own or do you mean tools
> at familysearch, etc.?
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "mexicanfhr"  wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I wanted ask, the Ranchos, Juarez, and Mexicanfhr groups,  what
> > research helps or tools, would you all like to see developed.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> >