For anybody who is interested, I have posted pictures of my trip on 
my family's website.  Most are captioned, to provide some context.  
You will see a picture of my grand-uncle Poncho, whose stories I 
listed to and recorded.  Attached is a snippet on some of my family's 
oral history that I was able to gather.

http://www.ramosfamily.org/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=18

Al tío Juan, padre de Petra lo mataron cuando iban de arrieros a 
Guadalajara con carga de huevo y otros productos agrícolas.  Luego 
traían manta, rebozos y cabeza de indio de Guadalajara.  Lo mató la 
federación en El Teul a causa de un mensaje que llevaba a Guadalajara 
por los Cristeros para la gente que daba fondos para la guerra.  La 
guerra fue propagada por conservadores en Guadalajara que daban los 
fondos económicos para pelear la guerra.  De regreso también los 
esperaban los Federales, pero les avisaron que había reten y pudieron 
cambiar de camino y escaparon.  A otros arrieros también los mataba 
la

Arturo, me ganaste con el comentario.

Indeed, all those presidents that you mentioned had indigenous or 
african roots. However, as I understand, the mother of Porfirio 
Diaz, Petrona Mori, was actually a Mixteca indian. A while ago, in 
Mexico, I bought four interesting magazines that talked, in detail, 
about the life of all the presidents of Mexico. I need to reread 
those pages, but I clearly remember the data that you mention. Also, 
Plutarco Elias Calles, the one ruling Mexico during the cristero 
war, had northern african ancestors.

I'll check the biographies, and will try to put some interesting 
information on mexican presidents.

Steve Apodaca

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  
wrote:
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote:
> > It is of no surprise that there has been no Mexican President 
with 
> obvious  
> > Indian/African heritage (except one)....even President Fox can 
place 
> all his  
> > ancestry coming from

I want everyone to be on the look out for broken links.

I was informed by Rosalinda that there were a pile of dead links and boy
was there. she has fixed a lot of those she could.

I just want to say that this was a bigger job than I had invisioned and
want to thank her publicly for her work to help keep Ranchos running
smoothly.

Thanks Rosalinda,

joseph

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, latina1955@a... wrote:
> It is of no surprise that there has been no Mexican President with 
obvious  
> Indian/African heritage (except one)....even President Fox can place 
all his  
> ancestry coming from Europe...
>  
> Esperanza
> Chicagoland area

There have actually been a number of presidents in Mexico of Indian and 
African heritage...

Benito Juarez, Zapotec Indian
Porfirio Diaz, Zapotec Indian
Victoriano Huerta, Huichol Indian from Colotlan
Vicente Guerrero (el negro), Mulatto

Emile, you are great.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Victor,
> 
> As usual your observation is as astute as always.  I
> did identify with some of the debaters, those that
> took the middle road.  I think we all need to get
> together and advance our situations by sticking
> together and not going off on tangents to the
> extremes, such as the Aztlan group.  It is
> unfortunate that those in that group do not realize
> that people like Pat Buchanan stir the Anglo
> populace up by making it look like that fringe group
> speaks for us all, and that we are all into
> "Reconquista" which brings up to the Anglos the
> specter of armed brown hordes seeking to re-conquer
> the land.  We are slowly re-conquering anyway, due
> to the American economy being so dependent on cheap
> Mexican labor in manufacturing, agriculture and
> services.  We just need to tone down our resentments
> and work towards ensuring that this country

Not only blacks...
Sorry to say that not only blacks have denied their
own race but many of those of Mexican blood have done
the same, even in my own family.  Such shame can be
spread among most of us.  Most of this shame is due to
ignorance.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California 

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Here is an interesting article in the San Jose
> Mercury News titled, ''DNA is undeniable''. It was
> sent to me by my brother, very interesting and so
> relevant to what we have been discussing this week.
>    
>   Alicia
>    
>   DNA is undeniable -- we're all closely
> related``Every year,'' I once overheard my father
> say jokingly to a friend, ``thousands of Negroes
> disappear.'' I remember my 8-year-old imagination
> going into overdrive, picturing people zapped from
> their homes in the middle of the night. It was only
> as I grew older that I realized that the people my
> father was talking about were choosing to disappear,
> running away from