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Netflix en español anyone?

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Anyone interested in watching movies in Spanish whether from Mexico, Spain, Argentina etc, Netflix has a very good selection. We saw one tonight titled Vengo, we especially enjoyed the music, scenery and the short movie that follows the regular movie.
We of Mexican descent are not the only ones questioning who we are. The director Tony Gatlif is Algerian born, living in France and was a gypsy in Spain, don't you just love it. Here is a short summary of the movie but it does not do it justice. It was like being in a small town in Mexico only they spoke with a heavy Spanish accent but fortunately they have sub-titles.
 
By the way Netflix has a great selection of spanish speaking movies (also a bad selection) but you get to choose either way.
 
 
 
This passionate story of a blood feud centers on Caco (Antonio Canales), a proud man who must fight for his family's honor and safety. After his daughter dies, Caco transfers his protective love to Diego (Orestes Villasan Rodriguez)
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I am Joaquin

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Rosalinda, I had not heard of this author or poem before.  It's the 
first time in a long time I cried while reading something.. so 
powerful.. I can understand why Joseph wants it recorded.  Thank you 
for making me aware of it. I love this group!

Linda in Everett

Fw: Unable to deliver your message

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Emilie--
 
As a moderator, I can see a list of people whose email is bouncing for whatever reason.  It then asks us if we want to send you an email to ask you to reconfirm your address.  That's why you were sent the message, and I hope the issue is resolved.  Let me know if it isn't.  Who knows why computers do what they do?  I have given up trying to understand the mysteries of life. :)
 
Rosalinda
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Has anyone else received a message like this from Yahoo Groups?  I don't understand why it bounced on their end, or why e-mail from the group have bounced back to them.    I keep my mailboxes empty by deleting each message after I read it.      Emilie
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The Black Legend

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>From what I remember, the Black Legend refers to how
the English tried to portray the Spanish. It refers to
the idea that the Spanish had a cruel streak within
them, as evidenced by the Inquisition that was
happening in Spain to the known abuses that some
Spaniards inflicted on Native Americans. The Black
Legend is sort of a case of the victor writing the
history--especially, after the English victory over
the Spanish armada in 1588, making the English the
undisputed ruler of the seas.

I hope this helps.

Chris Pineda

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Fw: Unable to deliver your message

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Has anyone else received a message like this from Yahoo Groups?  I
don't understand why it bounced on their end, or why e-mail from the
group have bounced back to them.    I keep my mailboxes empty by
deleting each message after I read it.     
Emilie
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Aha!  Now I think I know how surnames came to be so confusing in Mexico.  John
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Fw: [ranchos] Double surnames

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I was told that this message was bounced by the Yahoo group.  Hope it
goes through this time.    Emilie
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Aha!  Now I think I know how surnames came to be so confusing in
Mexico.  John's example of his wife tacking on her mother's and her
husband's surnames to her father's surname, may explain part of the reason why
people in Mexico were so inconsistent in the use of surnames.  It is like
too many cooks in the kitchen spoiling the soup.  When you are dealing with
more than one surname, it is very likely for clerical errors to be made in
documents when such a complex system is used. 
 
I recall working in a large county hospital in California where many
non-English speaking Mexican citizens came for treatment, and the confusion with
the surnames that would cause several charts under various names to be set up
for
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Who are we? was Re: double surnames

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lareina2@... wrote:

The issues of acculturation and assimiliation run deep
and are painful in this land of multiethnic and multicultural groups. 
What do I call myself?  Who am I?  Much of the pain of the generation
that follows the immigrant one often causes much confusion, and
sometimes, self-hatred and denial of ancestry.  How can I call myself a
Mexican when I can speak only a rudimentary Spanish and only visited
the birthplace of my grandma and great-grandma once?  When I visit
Mexico, I recognize its beauty and its devastation, and when I land in
the United States, I am happy to drive my sedan, go inside my condo,
and turn on my tv to "Law and Order."  Both my parents are of Mexican
descent, but both were born in the US.  On my mom's side, both my
grandparents were born in the US as well.  When my maternal grandfather
was offered the opportunity to visit deep into Mexico (not Juarez or
Tijuana), he said, "My parents left Mexico for a
 
I remember as a child
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Who are we? was Re: double surnames

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Alicia,
 
Regarding immigrants from lands other than Mexico:  When I was working
in San Jose, I saw the first immigrants from Vietnam back in the 1970s, who were
appalled by our habits of individuals eating whole steaks when in Vietnam the
same amount of meat would have fed a whole family.  Yet, little by little,
I saw them gain weight, and their English improved with the help of their
children, born here, going to school and speaking only English.  Since the
kids liked eating at McDonalds as their American friends did, the mothers saw
the convenience of taking the kids there for dinner rather than going home and
fixing dinner when they were tired from their jobs.  Also, I once watched
show on TV about a spelling bee that took place in the South where the winner
was a young girl of Vietnamese descent.  She had such a drawl that had
I closed my eyes, I would have sworn I was listening to a blue-eyed, blonde
Southern belle!  They learned quickly that "when in Rome, do as
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Who are we? was Re: double surnames

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Rosalinda,
 
What a great group this is.  I agree with everything you say, but you
should not feel guilty about anything --- not about not being fluent in Spanish
(English is the language of this country), about enjoying the fruits of your
labor (that is why our ancestors left Mexico), about the plight of the new
immigrant (you can fight for them by voting in their favor, coming to their
defense when someone bad mouths them in your presence, sending contributions to
those on the front lines of sober activism), etc.  You are doing your job
as you said you do, in your classroom.  As for that student that wonders
why you should be teaching English when you are Mexican:  don't let him
make you feel different; it is he who perceives you as different.  (Makes
me wonder what he has learned at home).
 
I too had to learn English and forget my Spanish and ended up being
more articulate in English than many who have never known any other
language.  (As a second grader, I could
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