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Dialog of the Dead --> with the Living

Victor,
 
As usual your observation is as astute as always.  I did identify with
some of the debaters, those that took the middle road.  I think we all need
to get together and advance our situations by sticking together and not
going off on tangents to the extremes, such as the Aztlan group.  It is
unfortunate that those in that group do not realize that people like Pat
Buchanan stir the Anglo populace up by making it look like that fringe group
speaks for us all, and that we are all into "Reconquista" which brings up to the
Anglos the specter of armed brown hordes seeking to re-conquer the
land.  We are slowly re-conquering anyway, due to the American economy
being so dependent on cheap Mexican labor in manufacturing, agriculture and
services.  We just need to tone down our resentments and work towards
ensuring that this country remains the bastion that it has been for human rights
for everyone.  We can't afford to take any backward steps.  We must
acculturate, but

double surnames

Yes, Peggy,  regarding your comment about not knowing which is
worse---comments about your ethnicity from Anglos or from Mexicans:  my
husband was made fun of by a group of Mexicans in the Marines when he went out
on the lawn at Camp Pendleton to lie down and try to get a tan.  Though he
was as white as snow, they still thought it was inappropriate for someone named
Antonio Garcia to get a tan, that only "gringos" should do that.  Also,
when he hears someone speaking Spanish and he joins in, he gets surprised
looks. As for the comments from Anglos, I recall another incident at his
workplace later that someone told him, "Oh, I didn't know you were
Mexican.  The only Mexicans I have ever known were little brown guys
working construction".  Yes, the political incorrectness comes from both
sides.
 
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Allen
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:37
PM
Subject: RE: [ranchos] Re: double

double surnames

Emilie and all,

I've been enjoying your messages and agree with you about identifying 
myself as Mexican.  My 25 year-old son said it best when he told one 
of his friends that his parents were both Mexican, so that makes him 
Mexican.  He is pretty Americanized, but still appreciates his 
Mexican culture.  He doesn't define himself by his ethnicity, but 
that doesn't mean he isn't proud of it.

Emilie, I chuckled at your comment about Aztlan.  I'll have to 
remember to ask if it's south, east, north or west of Atlantis next 
time I hear it.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Emilie Garcia"  
wrote:
>
> Linda,
> 
> When some Anglo says "you don't look Mexican" it means that you 
don't look like his idea of Mexicans formed by most of the Mexicans 
he has seen---field or orchard workers, very dark, made darker by the 
sun, very small due to their mostly Indian blood, pitch black hair 
and eyes, poorly dressed, not too clean due to their constant labor 
in

Who are we? was Re: double surnames

Reading all of your thoughts makes me
wonder what my children will feel. I guess I come from a completely different
side. My parents are (of what we know) of Irish, Scottish, and American Indian
descent. I have no relatives that I know from
Mexico but my husband is from Mexico. Before we were married I had to confront some beliefs and
feelings that were very ingrained in me that I never knew I had. I struggled
with the idea that the man I loved and wanted to share my life with was from
Mexico. I am embarrassed to say I felt that way. The term Mexican to me
was always kind of a derogative term. Early on when we were just dating I even
wished he was from another part of the world that sounded more exotic. I was a
missionary and learned Spanish and I was comfortable helping families but that
was were my comfort zone ended. Time teaches you many things. I wondered
whether the differences I thought we had were too wide for us to be able to
gap. Remembering my thoughts makes me

Who are we? was Re: double surnames

I used to have a problem with the name or term Chicano/Chicana. When my son was in college and took Mexican/American studies he gave me a different perspective and I now accept that term without feeling denigrated.
In addition to accepting this term I accept many other terms, the way I see it is we still can't figure out who we are, what we are called or what we call ourselves so why should I expect others to know. To me the most important thing is to feel good and comfortable in my skin. There are times I choose to be more Mexicana and times I choose to be more Americana and yes I know Mexico is America but I use Americana loosely as in Gringa. I have the freedom to be both and I consider that a gift, a choice that I make on a daily basis. Some of my habits are from my parents and ancestors and some are newly acquired from my adopted land.
I do have to say that the reason I do geneaological research is to know more about who I am, where I come from and
what makes me tick and why

Who are we? was Re: double surnames

ORALE CARNALITA: ROSALINDA
Sabes me dio mucho gusto saber que tu eres una de los/as descendientes del movimiento CHICANO de los 60's. I, too like your father was there in the middle of the borlote.  We in those years came up with the name of chicano/a to identify ourselves as mexicanos de aca. Theres is noting wrong about the term chicano, however it needs to be explained why it came to be...

Alberto Duarte
wrote:

Good write up...
I have in the past felt that same way as you have
written.  And this is the reason I enjoy and indulge
in genealogy--to learn who I am and where I came from.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- lareina2@...
wrote:


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The issues of acculturation and assimiliation run deep
and are painful in this land of multiethnic and
multicultural groups.  What do I call myself?  Who am
I?  Much of the pain of the generation that follows
the immigrant one often causes much confusion, and
sometimes, self-hatred and denial of

Who are we? was Re: double surnames

I agree and could not have said it as well.
Aqui esta un dicho bien dicho. "A la tierra que fueres hacer lo que vieres". meaning ''in the land that you go to, do as you see. This not only applies to our race and culture but to all other immigrant races and cultures. I have had this conversation with good friends who are of Italian, East Indian, Vietnamese, Persian, Japanese etc.
We all experience the same emotions, stirrings and questions about inculturation, about the loss of our ancestors' heritage and traditions and our language. I believe that some lose their ancestors' identity alltogether and some straddle both cultures and some never leave their ancient cultures.
I have evidence of all of the above just within my siblings. My oldest sister is the most entrenched in our parent's culture and heritage. Two of my youngest siblings have moved completely away from our Mexican Culture and three of us straddle both
cultures leaning equally to both sides, the Mexican and the

Who are we? was Re: double surnames

I was asked this past week at work (I'm a library clerk) by a black gentleman if I had Indian blood. I responded that I did, on my father's side but that it was so remote as to be almost impossible to name. (Moctezuma's daughters are my ancestresses.) My father's father's mother probably had Indian, but what kind, who knows?



Anyway, I wasn't insulted just surprised. The funny thing is is that my features are my Scots mother's but my coloring is a paler version of my dad's. I have salt and pepper hair like my Jerezana grandmother and her almond-shaped eyes. I have funny colored eyes...I don't think they're those eyes we were discussing earlier in December. Sometimes if my skin flushes or I'm red from being out in the sun, they're almost hazel. I DO consider myself Hispanic as opposed to Mexican because I had more Scots influence in my formative years and I'm married to a South American of Italian descent, so our family is more continental than Mexican. But I can't and don't

Who are we? was Re: double surnames

Good write up...
I have in the past felt that same way as you have
written.  And this is the reason I enjoy and indulge
in genealogy--to learn who I am and where I came from.

Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California

--- lareina2@... wrote:


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The issues of acculturation and assimiliation run deep
and are painful in this land of multiethnic and
multicultural groups.  What do I call myself?  Who am
I?  Much of the pain of the generation that follows
the immigrant one often causes much confusion, and
sometimes, self-hatred and denial of ancestry.  How
can I call myself a Mexican when I can speak only a
rudimentary Spanish and only visited the birthplace of
my grandma and great-grandma once?  When I visit
Mexico, I recognize its beauty and its devastation,
and when I land in the United States, I am happy to
drive my sedan, go inside my condo, and turn on my tv
to "Law and Order."  Both my parents are of Mexican
descent, but both were born in the US.