Good morning,

Just got my mtdna results back, don't understand most of but my
female line is group A which is pre-Columbian, they take it back
30,000 years... guess we've been here a while! The A group extends
down into South America so our female Indio ancestor was native
born...  Our male ancestors may have been from Spain but they
married Native American women along the line.

This test does not show any of the women from our male lines, just
female to female so it doesn't prove our Espanol or Mulato blood but
the records prove that, so ...I'm happy just having a more complete
picture of our family tree. My proven female line is from Jalisco
Mexico.

Has anyone else in

Joseph:

I don't think that Padrinos were necessarily blood relatives.  I know 
that in my family, neither of my parents' padrinos are close 
relatives.  This is purely based on anecdotal evidence, but I think 
padrinos were often childhood friends, with which the parents had a 
close comeraderie or even respected members of the community (since 
traditionally, these would take in the child should he or she be 
orphaned, etc. and one would want the child to be well raised).

Given the prevelance of clusters of names (due to surnames often 
being assigned to indigenous people, etc.) it is likely that two 
(unrelated) friends in a rancho would have the same surname.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> I know that in most cases the padrinos were members of the family. 
But 
> other than showing this is via examination of the records how do we 
> know? Were there many examples of non blood relatives being the 
> Padrinos? I guess I'm more interested in

My first cousin, from Jerez Zacatecas sent me this
explanation of a
ventosa so I thought I'd share it.  It's a real
combination of
spiritual with physical which is old world... any comment
from the
Dr. in our group?

A ventosa is as follows:  Mother
would get a meduim size water
glass and pour a little

My first cousin, from Jerez Zacatecas sent me this explanation of a 
ventosa so I thought I'd share it.  It's a real combination of 
spiritual with physical which is old world... any comment from the 
Dr. in our group?

 A ventosa is as follows:  Mother would get a meduim size water 
glass and pour a little alcohol  into it and swirl it in the glass; 
then she would light it with a match and immediately place it on the 
area where the sprain was. The heat  would cause the muscle to pull 
upward into the glass and that would release the tension on it. The 
glass would remain there a few seconds and then she would repeat the 
procedure. My husband used to enjoy getting them whenever he had a 
back problem. She used them mostly on the torso. The extremeties she 
would massage with her hands after she applied an ointment. The one 
thing she did not believe in was "el mal de ojo". She called that 
brujerias (witchcraft). This is where they would apply a raw egg on 
the body and this would

Good morning,

Just got my mtdna results back, don't understand most of but my 
female line is group A which is pre-Columbian, they take it back 
30,000 years... guess we've been here a while! The A group extends 
down into South America so our female Indio ancestor was native 
born...  Our male ancestors may have been from Spain but they 
married Native American women along the line.

This test does not show any of the women from our male lines, just 
female to female so it doesn't prove our Espanol or Mulato blood but 
the records prove that, so ...I'm happy just having a more complete 
picture of our family tree. My proven female line is from Jalisco 
Mexico.

Has anyone else in this group done the mtdna?

Linda from Wa.

HVR1 Haplogroup
 A
 
HVR1 differences

from CRS
 16111T
 
  16223T
 
  16290T
 
  16319A
 
  16335G
 
  16362C
 
  16526A
 

 
   
 

I would just like to add a comment to interesting information.  Spain was influenced tremendously by the Mohammedan peoples' occupation.  From 711 a.d. to 1492 a.d. Spain experienced the assimilation of many cultural traditions from Semitic, Arabic- and Aramaic-speaking peoples.  Names, behaviors, foods, etc., were brought to Mexico and other parts of the western hemisphere by the invaders from Spain.  Not everyone who left Spain was a Catholic Christian- willing to kiss the Pope's ring.

Davd in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Pacorro73@...
Sent: Jul 24, 2005 2:31 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: information on records & "Guardar  Reposo 40 días"

The forty day tradition following childbirth is quite ancient.  It is part of the Mosaic Law, the Law of Moses, and appears in the Old Testament in the Bible.  Without a doubt the ancient Hebrews and other people of the Middle East practiced this tradition, including in Anatolia, modern day Turkey.

great I just went and re-examined the original record and found what I
thought was the 5th of October was really the 25th of October making the
13th of the current month much easier for me to comprehend.

thanks David

joseph

David P. Delgado wrote:

Joseph,

It means "...He was born on Saturday the thirteenth of the current month..."

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Jul 24, 2005 2:47 PM
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] What does this mean?







"Que nacio Sabado trece del corriente..."



"He was born Saturday the 13th of previous month"



?????????



thanks,



joseph

 


 

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Joseph,

It means "...He was born on Saturday the thirteenth of the current month..."

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Jul 24, 2005 2:47 PM
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] What does this mean?







"Que nacio Sabado trece del corriente..."



"He was born Saturday the 13th of previous month"



?????????



thanks,



joseph








    


  


  

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