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More on MultiCultural Health Practices

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:9YVmCDC1V8MJ:www.phac-aspcgc.ca/dca-dea/publications/pdf/multicultural_bf_e.pdf+40+day+post-partum+customs&hl=en#16

The link above has more on multicultural health practices.  Scroll down to bottom of page 16 (start of the Hispanic section which goes to page 20).  Also see the section on India, where it describes the practices during the 40 day postpartum period.  It seems these customs evolved over thousands of years.  I didn't check the links to the other cultures, but I'm sure customs are similar.  Still didn't find anything on the custom of tying a string around the pregnant woman's abdomen.

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA

 

 
 


 



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Program for Multicultural Health: Cultural Competency

http://www.med.umich.edu/multicultural/ccp/culture.htm

The above link is for an index for multi-cultural health practices.  The "Mexican" link brings up the subject of the "cuarentena".  There are several entries.  Other practices were also mentioned such as one handed down from the Aztecs where they place a knife on the pregnant woman's abdomen (I forget why).  Not mentioned is the practice described to me by some Mexican immigrants of tying a string around a woman's abdomen during pregnancy.  The "Somalian" link describes the same 40 day post-partum period observed by Mexicans and Vietnamese that I knew about.  Other cultures have that same custom. Where could it have originated?  It doesn't seem to be Catholic or Christian.

Emilie Garcia

Port Orchard, WA

 






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information on records & "Guardar Reposo 40 días"

When I was working at a hospital in Silicon Valley, we hired several Vietnamese immigrants (mostly women) as interpreters.  They too have the custom of the new mother not leaving her bed for an extended time (how long I can't remember).  During this period the mother was waited on hand and foot by her family and served her meals at bedside to eat alone.  They were mostly Buddhists.  How curious that such a custom is practiced world-wide!  I wonder if the Bible or the Koran or Buddhist, etc. teachings all dictate that practice for new mothers?
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA. 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentest
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 12:52 AM
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Was it literal or was it not. I bet that in different time periods this
rule went from being widely practiced to not. Let's find out.

okay many people have relatives they are visiting when they go to
Mexico. . .let's

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Was it literal or was it not. I bet that in different time periods this
rule went from being widely practiced to not. Let's find out.


okay many people have relatives they are visiting when they go to
Mexico. . .let's start asking the old ones what they remember. We don't
need to make this the center of our investigation but a couple of
questions in passing makes for keeping the conversation interesting.


a civil discussion like this is so interesting. . .thank you all for
participating.


joseph

v.h.villarreal wrote:

I really doubt that this is an accurate interpretation or a widespread
practice even in the old days.  "Guardar reposo por 40 días" or
resting for 40 days wasn't supposed to be taken that the mother should
stay in bed, not taking a bath, etc. rather that she should "keep the

husband away from her bed for 40 days", if you know what I mean...

Victor






40 Days-thanks Victor

http://www.aina.org/books/aov.htm

Birth And Baptism

Pregnant women promise that if they have a son they will offer him to
serve the church. But if they have a daughter a sum of money or in kind
they will give to the church as a gift. When the child is born it is
immediately bathed in cold water and sprinkled with salt and wrapped him
cloths. They have learned from what Prophet Khezkiel wrote: "On the day
you were born your biblical cord was not cut, you were not washed in
water and you were not wrapped in cloths."


A son brings more happiness to a family than a daughter. Just like
Armenians when a boy is born all boys quickly go to the relatives of the
newly born boy, bless him and receive gifts.


Baptism

According to custom the child is baptized on the seventh day of its
birth. One day before baptism, the godfather is informed and in the
morning he goes to the mother of the child and takes with him a sheep if
he is wealthy. He takes the child and gives it to his wife

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I'm not an "expert" on this issue, but I do remember
that when I had my first child in 1973, my Nana (born
and raised in Mocorito, Sinaloa) told me about the
fact that in Mexico, the women were confined to
bedrest for the 40 days following the birth of their
children, and that they did not bath for those 40
days.  I never thought to ask her if this was for any
perceived medical reason or superstions of some sort.

Olivia

--- "v.h.villarreal" 
wrote:

> I really doubt that this is an accurate
> interpretation or a widespread
> practice even in the old days.  "Guardar reposo por
> 40 días" or
> resting for 40 days wasn't supposed to be taken that
> the mother should
> stay in bed, not taking a bath, etc. rather that she
> should "keep the
> husband away from her bed for 40 days", if you know
> what I mean...  
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Irma GomezLucero
> 
> wrote:
> > I recall telling my mom & aunt about a family
> baptism

40 day rule

Can you think of a better way to keep the husband out of the bed for 
40 days then no bathing or getting up??  It was what my gr-
grandmothers from both Jalisco (1884) and Zacatecas (1866)passed on as 
tradition to me.  My grandmothers also said it was the only time in 
their marriages that they actually got any rest!
Linda from Wa.



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Alice, 

Thanks for sharing that experience.  I'm surprised that such a belief
would be taken in a such a literal way.  Staying in bed for 40 days is
definitely bad for one's health, let alone personal attraction.  Just
imagine the potential for bed sores, leg thrombosis,  and possibly
septicemia for not taking a bath, etc.  No wonder there was so much
maternal mortality in the old days.

But I found a link to an old document that actually speaks about that,
except that it was a custom practiced by the Assyrians during the rule
of the Ottoman Turks in Turkey.  Go here and do a search for "40 days" 

http://www.aina.org/books/aov.htm

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alicia Carrillo  wrote:
> Victor,
>  
> It definitely meant do not bathe for 40 days, it also meant do not
let the outside air hit the mother for 40 days.
>  
> When I had my first daughter I remember a tia telling me and I
quote. "Hija, cuando tengas tu bebe´ no dejes que te den un baño o
ducha". She

information on records & "Guardar Reposo 40 días"

Victor,
 
It definitely meant do not bathe for 40 days, it also meant do not let the outside air hit the mother for 40 days.
 
When I had my first daughter I remember a tia telling me and I quote. "Hija, cuando tengas tu bebe´ no dejes que te den un baño o ducha". She then proceeded to tell me that when she had her children here in the US they tried to make her bathe and she pretended to go through the motions in the shower but she never let the water touch her. She would just turn on the water in the shower to make them believe she had taken a shower. I asked many questions because this was foreign to me. That´s when she told me that it was bad for the mother´s health and that the mother´s milk would dry up if she did, this in addition to keeping the spouse away for 40 days. My thoughts were of course if you don't bathe you will keep everyone away for 40 days.
 
Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

"v.h.villarreal" wrote:

I really doubt that this is an accurate

information on records

This is so interesting and too much of a coincidence.
 
My tia who´s my dad´s youngest sister called me today to say that her sister-in law was coming into town, that is my uncle´s wife who I´ve never met. We met for the first time today and I also met a first cousin, their daughter. We were exchanging names and she asked me "Do you want my full name", and I said of course. She laughed and proceeded to tell me what was behind her laugh. Her mother chose her name to be Noemi but when she was baptized she was baptized as Liduvina, Noemi, Avelar and at the civil registry as Liduvina Avelar.
 
She always went by the name Noemi but when she went to take exams to get into preparatory school she filled out the exam form as Noemi and the teacher came around to see who Noemi was because the legal (civil) documents presented said Liduvina not Noemi and they did not have anyone registered as Noemi. That´s the first time she knew she was something other than Noemi. She then proceeded to ask why