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Help in Jerez Zacatecas

I would suggest offering some financial remuneration and if he says no, then at least you've offered.

Marge:)

On Jul 13, 2005, at 5:44 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:


Did you think he would charge me if I asked only a

couple of questions?  The Duartes that I have talk to

about their past had almost no information, but they

were extremely nice people.



Alberto Duarte

Santa Maria, California



--- Erlinda Castanon-Long

wrote:



> 

> John, if you do get to Jerez may I recommend

> contacting Leonardo de la

> Torre Berumen at leon_torre@... for help in

> locating ranchos

> and villas.  He doesn't speak English but is very

> willing to help.  he

> is a professional genealogist and has more

> information than most.  I'm

> told he charges if his help is extensive but he

> never charged me for

> anwering questions.  He lives in Jerez

>

> Linda

>

>

>





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Help in Jerez Zacatecas

Linda, 
I couldn't help notice the name of Leonardo de la Torre
Berumen from Jerez.  Rich and I are researching Berumes (s instead of n)
from Jeres, Zac. 
 
Bernardo BERUMES and Maria Marsela
ORTIS
One of the children Joseph Francisco Xavier
BERUMES was born 18 Dec 1757 in Jeres,
Zac.   
followed by two children  Joseph Melchor BERUMES de
Vera b. 7 Jan 1765 and Lorenzo de la Trinidad BERUMES b. 5 Aug 1760 both born in
Tepetongo, Zac.
Another son, our ancestor,  Santiago BERUMES m. Maria
Josefa SALAZAR, but we don't have birthdate or birthplace for
Santiago.
 
My question is in the mid-1700s could  BERUMES
and BERUMEN be the same?  I am aware of S and Z interchanging, but not
aware of S and N interchanging. 
I think I will go look for a Santiago Berumen. I'll also
take a closer look at our documents of the  siblings.
I would have copied Leonardo de la Torre Berumen in on this
e-mail, but I noticed he doesn't read English and my Spanish is nil. 
 
Kitty Cortez
Rocklin,

Help in Jerez Zacatecas

Did you think he would charge me if I asked only a
couple of questions?  The Duartes that I have talk to
about their past had almost no information, but they
were extremely nice people.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

>  
> John, if you do get to Jerez may I recommend
> contacting Leonardo de la 
> Torre Berumen at leon_torre@... for help in
> locating ranchos 
> and villas.  He doesn't speak English but is very
> willing to help.  he 
> is a professional genealogist and has more
> information than most.  I'm 
> told he charges if his help is extensive but he
> never charged me for 
> anwering questions.  He lives in Jerez
> 
> Linda
> 
> 
> 


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Help in Jerez Zacatecas

 
John, if you do get to Jerez may I recommend contacting Leonardo de la 
Torre Berumen at leon_torre@... for help in locating ranchos 
and villas.  He doesn't speak English but is very willing to help.  he 
is a professional genealogist and has more information than most.  I'm 
told he charges if his help is extensive but he never charged me for 
anwering questions.  He lives in Jerez

Linda



Gonzales, Gtz, Perez, Franco, etc.,

 
 
 
Irma:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Irma:
 
Thank you for the information, but I don't
see any connections yet...Maybe later as I keep finding more relatives. 
Let me give you  a quick run down of the Gonzalez family that I am
researching:
 
Pedro Gutierrez married to Candida Gonzalez, they
had two boys and a girl:
Doroteo, Refugio, and Rosario.
Rosario married Simon Gonzalez.  Simon's
parents were Rafael Gonzalez  and Antonia Franco.
Simon Gonzalez and Rosario Gutierrez had three
children:
Tiburcio, Patricio and Monica.
Patricio married Josefa Cornejo and they had 8
children. One of them, also named Patricio, was my father.
Josefa Cornejo  parents were Jesus Cornejo
and Filomena Perez.
This is a pretty rough summary of the Gonzalez
family.
 
I will be going to Jalos in a couple of weeks and
am looking forward to a visit to Rancho Los Portales, I understand there is
still quite a few people living there.  Maybe I'll find some relatives
still living there (descendents, of

Reading Old Handwriting

Viewing old church records:
I learned something about reviewing old church records
whenever trying to read them:  You have to read them
real slow and look for key letters that make up your
ancestors first and last names.  The overall
penmanship of the priests was very good, but the
copied documents are usually in poor condition because
of time. 

A couple of years ago I was looking at the 1700s Jerez
church marriage records, and I noticed my
greatggggggmothers last name of Sanchez.  The letters
S,a,c, h and z, stood out, and then I looked closer
and found my greatggggggfathers last name (Duarte)
which was spelled like Quarti.  Upon further review of
the record I found other names that were barely
identifiable (Salazar and Sanchez)which were the last
names of my greatgggggggparents.  They got married in
1797 in Jerez, and after years of research I was also
able to identify the other names listed on the record
as my aunt and uncle (Gamboa family).

After many years of researching, I have

Reading Old Handwriting

Emile;  I agree with you post about old Handwriting and wrote that effect earlier. I am extracting - Our lady of Candelaria Cahtolic Church in Gatamala. I think I have the lettering right and the priest changes ! One priest will write and "T" by crossing a "J" another priest will come and the "J" becomes a semi-"J" with a "U" above it. SEEESH !  You are not the only one with this problem and I just wanted to express my frustration along with you.  One thing that gets tyo me is the thin pens used so the entry is faint and the letters undestingguishable. I prefer the broad sweeping strokes of some of the priest who us a standard caligraphy.
 
Happy to see your entry.
 
Jose Luis Macias
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Emilie Garcia
Sent: Jul 12, 2005 8:00 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Reading Old Handwriting

I agree with Angie about all the good hints given in the Genealogy.com articles on Colonial writing.  It is amazing to me that throughout the Western

Gonzales, Gtz, Perez, Franco, etc.,

Hi John,
   
Of the Jalos surnames you mentioned, the only surname I
don't have is Cornejo, but I know two Jalos families with that surname who live
in a nearby town in Northern Calif.  Two brothers of which one 
married a Gonzales and the other married a Gutierrez of
course.    I am distantly related to the wives. 
 :)
 
My closest, most direct relative who was born in "El
Rancho de los Portales" was my G Grandmother Tomasa Gutierrez born March 6,
1844.  All of her siblings as well as her father, Dionicio Gutierrez were
born there.  Its a pretty large, tight-knit  group.  Dionicio
Gtz's wife was Maria-Lauriana-del-Refugio Perez (married June 7, 1841 in Jalos)
which ties me into the Franco & Perez clan. 
I have many of both branches in my database..., and I
personally know other descendants from this rancho.
 
 Of the Gonzales, I'm a little more confused & scattered
due to the common surname.  My closest, most direct relative was my G
Grandmother, Paulina Gonzales

Serros/Cerros

Hi Irma:

 

Iam starting my research in the Jalos area.  I am
looking for:  Gonzalez, Gutierrez, Cornejo, Franco, and Perez.

 

So far I have found: My grandfather and his family
were from outside Jalostotitlan, from a place called "Los
Portales" 

Using the LDS church records, I was able to find 11
additional family members, going all the way back to my ggggrandfather!  I
have not submitted any of my findings yet because I am right in the middle
of  the dicovery period.  At the present time, I have a few names, but
not many dates.

 

John Gonzalez

Wildomar, CA 

 

 

FW: [ranchos] Serros/Cerros

 





From: Irma GomezLucero
Sent:
Wednesday, July 13, 2005 7:49 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [ranchos]
Serros/Cerros



color=#0000ff size=2>Hello John,

   
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>What are the surnames you're researching in
Jalostotitlan.  I must have missed your entry in the member's files. 
I know that there are many Gonz in Jalos, but I was curious being that I also
have Gonz.  My Gonz clan has a family reunion every July in Ags. where
many have immigrated.

color=#0000ff size=2>Just curious...

color=#0000ff size=2>Irma





From: John Gonzalez [mailto:1gnzlz@verizon.net]

Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 4:18 PM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos]
Serros/Cerros



I will be researching the "Cerros" name in Jerez ,
Zacatecas.  As soon as I finish with  the other names in
Jalostotitlan.

 

John Gonzalez

Wildomar, CA.