Emilie,
Thanks so much for you message.  I think I will try your suggestion about reading books in Spanish. I've read, "Like Water for Chocolate" already, the english version and I have it.  So I'll be it in Spanish, as well as my other favorite, "Caramelo" which is also sold in Spanish.  

My mother told me that she learned by watching the novelas with her mother-in-law and that helped a lot.

I also do belong to a group where I get articles and posting from Zacatecas, but you're right.  Youngsters just post their pictures looking to "hook up" with one another *laugh*.
Thanks for your help....and your advice. 

Peggy
> From: "Emilie Garcia" 
> Date: 2005/07/12 Tue AM 11:52:55 EDT
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Re: [ranchos] Juan v. Juan Jose v. Jose Francisco
> 
> Peggy,
> 
> I too was lucky enough (along with my husband) to have worked in civil service (in Silicon Valley) and retire with good defined benefits.  As for the Spanish, my experience is

Angie:

We are most definitely related.  Joseph Cayetano Grano's daughter 
Rita Margarita married Pedro Gonzalez.  I am their eighth generation 
descendant via my father's paternal line.  I will definitely take a 
look at your file.  I have Covarrubias and Jara interwoven throughout 
my genealogy so I am sure there is a connection there as well.

Do you know how I would go about getting copies of the books you 
mention?  We can continue this discussion outside the group if you 
like... arturo.ramos2@...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Welcome to the group.  I noticed that you descend from Eusebia 
> Grano.  She was sister to my 5th Great-Grandmother Maria Josepha 
> Grano Covarrubias.  Take a look at my files in the file section.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Angie%20Godina%20%
> 3Caajay1073%40yahoo.com%3E/
> 
> There is a book that contains the genealogy of the Grano family.  
It 
> is called the "El Sacerdoncio

Angie:

We are most definitely related.  Joseph Cayetano Grano's daughter 
Rita Margarita married Pedro Gonzalez.  I am their eighth generation 
descendant via my father's paternal line.  I will definitely take a 
look at your file.  I have Covarrubias and Jara interwoven throughout 
my genealogy so I am sure there is a connection there as well.

Do you know how I would go about getting copies of the books you 
mention?  We can continue this discussion outside the group if you 
like... arturo.ramos2@...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "aajay1073"  wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Welcome to the group.  I noticed that you descend from Eusebia 
> Grano.  She was sister to my 5th Great-Grandmother Maria Josepha 
> Grano Covarrubias.  Take a look at my files in the file section.
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Angie%20Godina%20%
> 3Caajay1073%40yahoo.com%3E/
> 
> There is a book that contains the genealogy of the Grano family.  
It 
> is called the "El Sacerdoncio

Thanks for the info.  I guess I'm one of the babies of the group at 36??  I've also been lucky enough to have a civil service job with a great union who has cemented great benefits for the next five years.  I feel spoiled when I hear the stories about people's health care issues.  It's a total shame that all people don't have good insurance and benefits!!

I did want to say, though, that for the record I always enjoy reading everyone's post.  I've been so educated by each and everyone of your messages.  I feel like I lack the family experiences, though, since myself as well as my parents were born here.  I envy the members who have gotten to travel to their ancestral homelands.  I want to do the same but I don't have a lot of free time.  And I was never taught spanish and would like to take a class.  Is there any online programs, software (I feel like such a dork!) that teach spanish?  I understand the basics from high school spanish classes, but I want to learn more.  How does one go

Dear Members:
I would like to share the following with our members
since I believe most of us are about the same age
range, like me, a youthful med 60s, and are probably
purchasing expensive prescription drugs. 

My wife just got back from the doctor and was given a
free prescription pill for her illness that would
normally cost me $50.00 each.  She will eventually
need to take the same pill, once a month, that will
cost me $200.00 for 4 pills.  Yes, $200.00 for 4
pills.

Anyway, this morning I found a number of pharmacies in
Canada that sell the same pills

Dear Members:
I would like to share the following with our members
since I believe most of us are about the same age
range, like me, a youthful med 60s, and are probably
purchasing expensive prescription drugs.  

My wife just got back from the doctor and was given a
free prescription pill for her illness that would
normally cost me $50.00 each.  She will eventually
need to take the same pill, once a month, that will
cost me $200.00 for 4 pills.  Yes, $200.00 for 4
pills.

Anyway, this morning I found a number of pharmacies in
Canada that sell the same pills, same weight, and I
believe from the same company that makes the pills. 
The same pill in Canada will now cost me $9.58 each,
or a total cost for 4 pills at $53.31, and that
includes shipping cost.  

You can log on www.pharmacychecker.com to see
comparative costs of drugs from the various pharmacies
throughout Canada.

Good luck.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, Caifornia

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> She's

Hello!

Welcome to the group.  I noticed that you descend from Eusebia 
Grano.  She was sister to my 5th Great-Grandmother Maria Josepha 
Grano Covarrubias.  Take a look at my files in the file section.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ranchos/files/Angie%20Godina%20%
3Caajay1073%40yahoo.com%3E/

There is a book that contains the genealogy of the Grano family.  It 
is called the "El Sacerdoncio Ministerial, Singular Don a la 
Parroquia de Totatiche, Jalisco" by Esteban Valdes Salazar.  It is a 
small book less than 200 pages.  It starts with Joseph Cayetano Grano 
and his wife Efigenia de la Rosa Covarrubias.  Then it goes on to 
each of his seven daughters including their descendants.  Eusebia 
Grano was one of his daughters.  There is about 50 pages on her 
descendants.  There are a couple of other people in this group who 
are related to the Grano family.

There is a another book on the Jara family of Totatiche.  Descendants 
of Joseph Fernandez De Jara and Catarina Covarrubias, who