I just ran across this individual record in the LDS VRI-Mexico database... the 
fact that the wife has the same last name as the husband is not particularly 
interesting.... what is more interesting is that the wife's parents both have in 
effect the same name.

I remember reading somewhere that when indigenous people married into or 
were hired into a family they were "assigned" the name of the family they were 
associated with for lack of a better alternative.  Does anyone know anything 
more concrete on this that can shed any light?

Individual Record	FamilySearch? Vital Records Index
Mexico
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Natividad GONSALEZ	      Age At Marriage: 18 
 	Sex: 	 
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Event(s):	 	 
Birth: 1842>	Place: Urives
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Parents:	 	 
 	Father: Crecencio GONSALEZ
 	Mother: Crecencia GONSALEZ
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http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/makas_nc/lst?.dir=/Genealogies/Arturo+Ramos+(arturo.ramos2@...)&.order=&.view=l&.src=bc&.done=http%3a//f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/

hmmm, this sure is a long URL. . .if it doesn't work maybe its because
part of the URL wrapped to the next line. In this case you'll need to
copy and paste the tail end of the URL onto the part that didn't wrap
and try again.

or you can go here and just follow the path to Arturo Ramos' work:

http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/makas_nc/lst?.dir=/Genealogies&.src=bc&.view=l&BCID=makas_nc

joseph

ps: this link and all new members' genealogies are found in the Links
area under "AAAAA-Genealogies"

Yes, I believe all the Tovars in Jerez were related,
just like the Duartes.  We'll have to meet in Jerez
and go to the old cemeteries so that we can research
our old family names.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> She's probably related to my great-grandfather's
> first wife, Eleuteria 
> Tovar.:)  Marge:)
> On Jul 9, 2005, at 12:17 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > You think that is confusing? My great grandmother
> >  Maria Dolores Vasquez Tovar from Jerez had her
> name
> >  written sometimes as: Maria Dolores Tobar, Maria
> >  Dolores Tovar, or Maria Vasquez Tovar, or Maria
> >  Vasquez Tobar.
> >
> >  Alberto.
> >  Santa Maria, California
> >
> 



		
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An Observation and Sad Note:
I believe it was not unusual for a son not to have the
same last names of his mother and father.  He
sometimes would take a different last name altogether
(probably because he was baptized with a different
name). 

I found a Spanish soldier from Jerez de la Frontera,
in 1575, that may have been a relative, that took the
last name of Andres Duarte and his mother was a
Rodriguez and has father was a Gonzalez!  This soldier
came to Zacatecas in 1576.  After searching for him
for more than 10 years, I found a record where he had
drowned in the Philippines sea in 1603 during a storm
on his way back to new Spain (Mexico).

Alberto Duarte

Santa Maria, California
--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

> I was once told that many of the early scribes in
> Mexico were Portuquese and that they spelled things
> differently too. If many of the people did not read
> or write and didn't see what was being put into the
> record any chance for correction wasn

Thank you.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- zendean  wrote:

> Alberto;  Thank you for your various replies to my
> postings over the months 
> past. This is a site filled with good people. You
> are one.
> 
> I live in Whittier,  California
> 
> Again, thank you,
> 
> Jose Luis Macias
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alberto Duarte" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Altos de Jalisco
> 
> 
> > Don't feel left out.  My wife is from Los Altos
> and
> > never heard of my last name (Duarte) until she met
> me.
> >
> > Alberto Duarte
> > Santa Maria, California
> >
> > --- latina1955@... wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> My husband's surnames include Rocha, Ortiz,
> >> Madrigal, Duarte.  I have
> >> started doing some research, but have not taken
> the
> >> serious time yet.   There are
> >> many Madrigales in this area - most claiming not
> >> related (but I think  people
>

Alberto; Thank you for your various replies to my postings over the months
past. This is a site filled with good people. You are one.

I live in Whittier,  California

Again, thank you,

Jose Luis Macias

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alberto Duarte"

To: 
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Altos de Jalisco

Don't feel left out.  My wife is from Los Altos and
never heard of my last name (Duarte) until she met me.

Alberto Duarte
Santa Maria, California

--- latina1955@... wrote:

Hi,

My husband's surnames include Rocha, Ortiz,
Madrigal, Duarte.  I have
started doing some research, but have not taken the
serious time yet.   There are
many Madrigales in this area - most claiming not
related (but I think  people
just forget).  The Ortiz name, as you might be aware
is not as  common in
Mexico, at least not in these parts, however the
Rocha name is  connected to
families from Los Altos area.  The Duarte's

I have just joined the Rancho group.  I am currently a resident of 
Washington, DC, originally from San Gabriel, California.  I am in the 
process of compiling a family history.  Central to this task is a 
genealogical database.  I have already compiled a genealogy going 
back as far as the mid 1700s in Totatiche, Jalisco for some of my 
lineages.

Thus far I have used oral histories and Church of Latter Day Saints 
resources (based on church records in Totatiche) but I have now begun 
collecting written histories of the region and plan to do some field 
research in Guadalajara, Totatiche and Colotlan later this year.

I am particularly interested in history of the names RAMOS, ARANZAZU, 
REZA, GONZALEZ, GARCIA, QUINTANILLA, PINEDO, LEMUS

The following is the full list of surnames in my GEDCOM database thus 
far:

RAMOS, PINEDO, GARCIA, GUTIERREZ, REZA, RIOS, GONZALEZ, ARANZAZU, 
LEMUS, GRANO, QUINTANILLA, MADERA, MIRAMONTES, RODRIGUEZ, TORRES, 
FLORES, ENRIQUEZ, CAMPOS, LEMUS, ROJAS

The article on the yarn paintings was especially wonderful, thank you 
for sharing it.  I found in Jerez these Indios are invisible people.  
The men still dress in the white trousers and the women and children 
in colorful long skirts and head scarves, they were selling beautiful 
bead work in the Plaza in Jerez.  I was told not to make eye contact 
with them!  The locals truly looked through them so what they were 
selling was to the tourists since the local's didn't see them! I was 
told they live outside of town and are very poor.  Some things are 
slow to change.

Linda