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These forum posts are from the old “Ranchos Archives” which was part of a Yahoo Groups system that operated between 2003-2006. This was a hybrid of electronic mailing lists and internet message boards. The files are “Read Only” and many of the users of the Yahoo Groups are not part of the new NuestrosRanchos membership, so keep this in mind when viewing these message posts and replies.

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Thanks to everyone who entered their information.  I think it will 
become very benificial to all of us.

What I think is good about the database is that when you open it up, 
you are given that "Search This Table" input box.  If you type in a 
surname or a location, it lists out all the people searching that 
surname and or location.  A very useful feature, be sure to try it.

The fields in the table are: Name
Email Address    {optional}[but provide it anyway, jp]
Research Surnames    {Surnames you are researching.}
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So once you

Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas

Hi Irma,
I had never heard of Dia de los Muertos either!  My paternal family (Zacatecas) and my maternal family (Jalisco)  didn't observe it at all, I saw it on television and asked my 84 year old father and he said they didn't do that in Jerez.. I'm assuming the custom came more from the Indeginous side of our heritage?  Burial customs vary so much from culture to culture. 
 
 My mother died many years ago but purchased a burial site in Stockton Ca. that has one plot on top of another. My father calls it a 'condo' and doesn't like the idea of being buried on top of her!   I do find it very interesting that the Mexican culture which holds it's elders in such high esteem does not like to "visit" them once they die?  Maybe the fact that they have to bury their loved ones themselves, even preparing them for burial, digging the hole and dropping them into it makes the difference.  Here stateside we sanitize it and only have to show up for the services.  Strangers do the rest for us, keeps

http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

Joseph,
 
A reminder that not all churches in Zacatecas belong to El Arzobisbado de Zacatecas. When we were in Tlachichila and Nochistlan last September they were heavily advertising a conference in Guadalajara for all parishes in El Arzobispado de Guadalajara. I asked them about this and they said that Tlachichila and Nochistlan belong to El Arzobispado de Guadalajara and not Zacatecas even though they are in the state of Zacatecas. These towns are much closer to Guadalajara and at one time this was the state of Jalisco until General Santa Ana decided to punish the political leaders of this region by changing the states' boundaries. A very small portion of Nochistlan lies within the state of Jalisco and it's less than an hour away from Mexticacan, Jalisco and about an hour from Teocaltiche, Yahualica and Jalostitlan Jalisco.
 
Alicia
 
Carol Lester wrote:

Hello Joseph:

I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the

http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

Carol
Last May I put together a word.doc for you listing
the 80 documents of the 147 that we printed on our last trip to SLC. 
Since you said couldn't open up the e-mail version of the word.doc, I snail
mailed it out to you.    I haven't heard from you so  don't
know if you received the copy.   I know we printed many Alvarez 
and Campos bapt, marriages etc, because we worked from your e-mail listing 
requesting these documents.
If you want copies of those documents we printed and have,
please highlight the documents on the word.doc we sent to you and mail it
back to us. 
 
 
Other Ranchos members:
I have attached the 5 page  word.doc again in
case anyone else is researching those surnames.
 
For those of you that can't open the word.doc, following is
a list of the 80 surnames on these documents coming from: 
Momax,  Los Velas,  Huejucar, Jalostotitlan, Tlaltenango,
Cuculiten, Los Belas, Santa Ana, Potrecillo, Canada de Guzman, Barranca, Puerto
de San Jose
 
Alvares 25

Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas

I envy you Linda.  I tried to get my dad and family in
Mexico to take me to the cemetery where my grandmother was buried.  My
dad interrupted and refused to take me there.  His response was, "Why
do you want to go to a place where everyone is dead when you have all of these
live relatives?"  Okay how do you respond when your "live" relatives are
staring at you.  Enjoying history, I have always "enjoyed" going to
cemeteries because there is so much history there.  No, I don't like
funerals though.  Next time I will go on my own even if I have to walk
there.
Along the same vein...  a few years ago, I was asked
to do a cultural presentation of sorts to my daughter's class around
Halloween.  I decided to build "un altar" for El Dia de los Muertos. 
When I asked my parents about this custom, they said, " We don't do that.  
Once we bury our dead, we go to church have Masses said for them, pray for
them, but we don't hang out at cemeteries."  I actually had to do research
on

http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

Hello Joseph:

I was wondering if you have a copy of the Momax, Zacatecas or Los Velas Momax, Zacatecas areas of the mexican phone book?  If so, is there any 'Campos' or 'Alvarez' names you could send me?  I haven't made much progress with any new information for my mexican families.  Especially Alvarez!  I am beginning to think my father's father was a 'myth'!!  I went to the obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm site, but I don't understand what it is.  Can you educate me?

Regards,
Carol Lester

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Puentes 
Sent: Jun 30, 2005 6:44 PM
To: LosRanchos 
Subject: [ranchos] http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm

http://www.obispadozacatecas.org.mx/M7.htm




 
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Margarita'sRememberanceJerezZacatecas/SantaMariadeLosAngelesJalisco

Awhile back I sent in the story "Muchacha" attached here as well. where
i was told that my great grandmother was so poor that she needed to ask
another family if she could drop a bundle that carried her child in the
grave with the person they were burying.



joseph



Alberto Duarte wrote:

They still bury people in that cemetery.  I saw the
grave diggers taking dirt out of an existing burial so
that it could accommodate a coffin atop of the
existing one!  Some families are so poor that they
bury relatives atop of existing coffins/sites.  

Yes, when I was inside that old cemetery I felt that I
was among my past relatives.

Alberto.

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

  
The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is
different than here stateside.  I wanted to visit
all the cemeteries I'd found in the research
records.  Our host could not understand my desire to
go to cemeteries, he said the past was the past!  He
did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros

Margarita's rememberance of Jerez, Zacatecas

They still bury people in that cemetery.  I saw the
grave diggers taking dirt out of an existing burial so
that it could accommodate a coffin atop of the
existing one!  Some families are so poor that they
bury relatives atop of existing coffins/sites.  

Yes, when I was inside that old cemetery I felt that I
was among my past relatives.

Alberto.

--- Erlinda Castanon-Long 
wrote:

> The whole idea of death in the District of Jerez is
> different than here stateside.  I wanted to visit
> all the cemeteries I'd found in the research
> records.  Our host could not understand my desire to
> go to cemeteries, he said the past was the past!  He
> did take us to the cemetery in Los Aros/Los Haros, I
> found all the names I have been researching clear
> back to the 1750's.  One could almost feel the
> ancestors... I also went to the cemetery in El
> Durazno.  They absolutely refused to take me to
> Panteon de los Dolores in Jerez, they said enough
> was enough...
>  
>  I