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Atole de Pinole

John,
 
Have you had atole de Pinole? If you haven''t you must try it, esta muy sabroso! You can make atole de pinole with milk or water or milk and water. Many people add sugar and cinnamon. It''s a thickened sweet drink usually served with tamales in the wintertime, especially at Christmas. Pinole comes in a dry powdered form and it takes moisture and heat to dissolve it. When you taste it dry because of it''s fine powdery consistency it can get caught in the back of your throat thereby inducing coughing fits.
Have you heard the dicho or saying, El que tiene mas saliva, traga mas pinole? When two people engage in a verbal sparring match the one who comes out ahead is said to have more saliva therefore able to eat more pinole.
 
Thanks John, it had been a while since I'd thought of pinole.
Alicia

lrapido 1gnzlz@...> wrote:

Talking about food...
I wonder how many of our members have heard of "Pinole" ? Pinole is
a high energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up and mixed
with

Pinole

Talking about food...
I wonder how many of our members have heard of "Pinole" ? Pinole is 
a high energy food made from dry roasted corn ground-up and mixed 
with brown sugar (Piloncillo, o panocha) and cinnamon and sometimes 
either lemon or orange peel for flavoring. The Tarahumara indians of 
Chihuahua use it as a staple food. Tarahumaras are basically 
vegetarians, with meat accounting for about less than 10% of their 
diet. They eat Pinole it or drink it ( can be mixed with water 
or ? ) before they run the ultra marathons.  Pinole is a very 
convinient high energy food because in its powder form can keep  
for months. It is carried in a pouch during long trips and is 
used to sometimes replace whole meals. The Tarahumaras are 
universally known as runners. Tarahumaras have run the 100 mile 
marathon from Nevada to California.  They think nothing of running 
50 miles or more to go visit friends or relatives in a distant 
village.  When was the last time you did that!
They hunt by

Tamales: Food for Thought.




Record 2 of 2 in Dissertation Abstracts 1992-1996




TI: VIVAN TAMALES. THE CREATION OF A MEXICAN NATIONAL CUISINE
(CUISINE)

AU: PILCHER-JEFFREY-MICHAEL

DN: PHD

DD: 1993

SN: TEXAS-CHRISTIAN-UNIVERSITY (0229)

AD: BEEZLEY-WILLIAM-H

PG: 319

LA: ENGLISH

AB: This dissertation uses cuisine to examine the role of women in
creating Mexican national identity. The national cuisine that exists
today centered around Precolumbian foods such as tamales
and enchiladas received acceptance by Mexico's upper and middle classes
only after World War II. Precolumbian civilizations developed a
highly-refined cuisine based on maize, beans, squash, and chiles.
Nevertheless, sixteenth-century Spanish conquistadors rejected their
foods, and Mesoamerican culture in general, preferring to build New
Spain on a European model. The natives influenced the new culture, but
only surreptitiously. For example, when Spaniards refused to eat corn
confections, Indian women ground tortillas and chiles in European
stews

Tamales and the ideal diet

Hi Victor,
 
My husband's (from Mexico) approach to food is quite different than
mine. He munches on fruit and vegetables all day long, prefers beans to
meat and limits his intake on rice.  He does like the "gordas" - flour
tortillas that is more typical of the northern cuisine of my father's people
than of Michoacan.  While he is not slight of built, he is very fit,
considering his sedentary profession and age.   His people
are of humble origins, which translates to very little meat was readily
available.  The result is that he is very healthy.
 
As for me, I was raised in a foster home from people who were born and
raised in Jalisco - Tepatitlan and La Barca (long story - but my
"real" mother's family is from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas while my "real" father's
family was from Coahuila).  My foster mother was not a very good
cook.  My real interest in food came when my foster sister married a man
from Allende, Jalisco whose family were amazing cooks.  Over the years, I

Tamales

Thank you John, point taken... my husband is always telling the same thing.. North America is a continent....and also known as  turtle island... (according to an Indeginous story of creation)
with humor.. Linda

lrapido 1gnzlz@...> wrote:

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
wrote:
> When I was in Mexico for the first time 2 years ago while in
> Guadalajara our hostess stopped to buy corn tamales from a
roadside
> stand that she frequently buys from.  They were pure corn made
with
> corn oil, no meat fillers, no sause just pure corn tamale.  I had
> never seen that before but they were very sweet just as they were.
>
> As an American born Mexican I was surprised at all the foods I
> didn't recognize both in Jalisco and Zacatecas.  I did find eating
> more healthy, cooking much plainer and portions much smaller.  In
El
> Durazno, District of Jerez, the white cheese was delivered to the
> door wrapped in a cloth, the corn tortillas were made by 2 local

Tamales

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long" 
 wrote:
> When I was in Mexico for the first time 2 years ago while in 
> Guadalajara our hostess stopped to buy corn tamales from a 
roadside 
> stand that she frequently buys from.  They were pure corn made 
with 
> corn oil, no meat fillers, no sause just pure corn tamale.  I had 
> never seen that before but they were very sweet just as they were.
> 
> As an American born Mexican I was surprised at all the foods I 
> didn't recognize both in Jalisco and Zacatecas.  I did find eating 
> more healthy, cooking much plainer and portions much smaller.  In 
El 
> Durazno, District of Jerez, the white cheese was delivered to the 
> door wrapped in a cloth, the corn tortillas were made by 2 local 
> women who started at 5am and closed at 8:30am.  People came by and 
> bought them by weight including just masa if they wanted to make  
> tamales.  I had never seen corn taken from the husk to a corn 
> tortilla, they

Tamales and the ideal diet

Esperanza,

So you want to be a food anthropologist, uhh? That must be an 
interesting field!  Did you know that tamalli is Nahuatl for tamal?

You're right about the pork tamales, pork (and lard) became an 
available filling until after the Spanish colonization.  But before 
that, tamales came in a much wider variety that what we can now 
imagine, for example, tamales were made of fish, tadpoles, bees, 
honey, seeds, frogs, ants, tomato, corn, sweets, anything that was 
available at the time.

According to some, the original recipe of this millenary dish came 
out of the need to create a portable food, one that warriors could 
easily take with them to the battle fields, etc.  The tamal wrap was 
ideal as it protected and preserved the food from contamination, etc.

There is plenty of information available online if you do a search 
for a combination of keywords, like tamalli, tamal, nahuatl, masa, 
etc.

Now, speaking about the indigenous (Amerindian) diet versus what 
experts say is

Tamales

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Linda,

 

As a side note, Mexico is not considered 3rd world.  In fact, Mexico
is probably the most economically progressive Latin American country. 
While I am not an expert in economic classification, I have traveled to various
countries in Africa which were true 3rd word applications were provided - and
the difference from these countries and Mexico were enormous!  Perhaps
someone more knowledgeable can expound on this...??

 

In Michoacan, I think I had those tamales - they were called tamales
ochepos (spelling is phonetic)- certainly not the dulce tamales that I was
accustomed to here in the states - we were provided these tamales for breakfast,
and they were divine, but I didn't know they were made of corn oil - now you
might have answered my question about lard.....Maybe I should try using corn oil
instead of lard to make them?  Any recipes out there?

 

Esperanza

 

Esperanza

Tamales

When I was in Mexico for the first time 2 years ago while in 
Guadalajara our hostess stopped to buy corn tamales from a roadside 
stand that she frequently buys from.  They were pure corn made with 
corn oil, no meat fillers, no sause just pure corn tamale.  I had 
never seen that before but they were very sweet just as they were.

As an American born Mexican I was surprised at all the foods I 
didn't recognize both in Jalisco and Zacatecas.  I did find eating 
more healthy, cooking much plainer and portions much smaller.  In El 
Durazno, District of Jerez, the white cheese was delivered to the 
door wrapped in a cloth, the corn tortillas were made by 2 local 
women who started at 5am and closed at 8:30am.  People came by and 
bought them by weight including just masa if they wanted to make  
tamales.  I had never seen corn taken from the husk to a corn 
tortilla, they let me help since I was family.. they did use a 
machine to shape and cook them. They typically ate twice a day with

Tamales

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I have also thought of tamales - the supposedly Indian tradition that was
passed through generations.  Did you know that food is the last thing to
"go" in ethnic identity - which is why I should have become a food
anthropologist - my passion for history and food...

 

Here's the question - when I make tamales, I use a lot of lard.  But
lard comes from pork, which was really brought here from the Spanish - so now
the "pure" Indian tamale got "mexicanized"!!! Has anyone ever come across
tamales that were not made of lard - or is there a recipe out there that might
have been more "indigenous" than I am aware of?  Or perhaps the indigenous
used a different type of fat?

 

By the way, speaking of food and diet - has anyone considered that the
typical diet of the indigenous people is what experts are saying is the
best?  Vegetables, no fat, very little meat, etc? 

 

Esperanza