Thanks, Victor, I'll consider this. Marge:)

On Jun 21, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Victor Villarreal wrote:

There's a company that does the DNA tests for free but the results

take a lot of time to be posted on their site, about a year.



The name is Sorensons Molecular Genealogy Foundation:

http://smgf.org/



Or maybe you and other interested relatives can pitch in for a test of

one of your boy cousins?







--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza

wrote:

> My father and his brothers are dead and I don't have any brothers and

> forget my boy cousins...son tan tacaños!!!! they'll never pay to get

> the DNA results.  Marge

> On Jun 21, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

>

> > Members and cousins:

> >  It would be very interesting if we all had our dna

> >  results, but I believe we would be very much the same

> >  since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they

> >  also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,

> >  Portugal.

> >

> > 

Santos,

Just one more thing:  I had heard about "Gato por Liebre" but I never
heard about "Gato por Oso" hehe!

Which reminds me, Mr. Greenspan is a business man not a scientist!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Victor Villarreal" 
wrote:
> I'm going to start this with a saying in Spanish: No comas ansias,
Santos.
> 
> You do good by playing the devil's advocate in all of this.  Your
> attitude is just right when entering this highly speculative field of
> genetic genealogy.  
> 
> Always try to rely on scientific findings for your answers.  And even
> then, remember that much of what scientists postulate are theories and
> hypothesis.  As a starting point for your research on your first
> question, check the following link regarding the Cohanim:
> 
> http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Behar-AJHG-03.pdf
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Victor
> 
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna  wrote:
> > I was very excited when I read about the DNA

I'm going to start this with a saying in Spanish: No comas ansias, Santos.

You do good by playing the devil's advocate in all of this.  Your
attitude is just right when entering this highly speculative field of
genetic genealogy.  

Always try to rely on scientific findings for your answers.  And even
then, remember that much of what scientists postulate are theories and
hypothesis.  As a starting point for your research on your first
question, check the following link regarding the Cohanim:

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Behar-AJHG-03.pdf

Best Regards,

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Santos Luna  wrote:
> I was very excited when I read about the DNA Project, and offered to
pay for the testing, using my brother's DNA. My brother has done some
research on his own, and has not been given any conclusive answers. 
>  
> In the scenario below...
>  
> 1. Who's DNA did they use to prove a connection to "Cohanim"?
> 
> 2. Where did they get the DNA for Moses

There's a company that does the DNA tests for free but the results
take a lot of time to be posted on their site, about a year.

The name is Sorensons Molecular Genealogy Foundation:
http://smgf.org/

Or maybe you and other interested relatives can pitch in for a test of
one of your boy cousins?



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza 
wrote:
> My father and his brothers are dead and I don't have any brothers and 
> forget my boy cousins...son tan tacaños!!!! they'll never pay to get 
> the DNA results.  Marge
> On Jun 21, 2005, at 5:17 PM, Alberto Duarte wrote:
> 
> > Members and cousins:
> >  It would be very interesting if we all had our dna
> >  results, but I believe we would be very much the same
> >  since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they
> >  also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,
> >  Portugal.
> >
> >  Any comments?
> >
> >  Alberto.
> >
> >  --- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:
> >
> >  > If we can only go

Emilie,

As always, it is evident that you're doing your homework and usually
marching one step ahead of the rest of us.

Like yourself, I have been most intrigued by all those stories that
you mentioned about the early Spanish colonizers, particularly more so
when I realised that the Y haplogroup to which I belong to is not the
typical Western European haplogroup but one that is, as I previously
said, very widespread all around the Mediterranean sea, including
North Africa, the Middle East, the Balcans and, of course, the Iberian
Peninsula.

As I understand many of our group here have not studied this topic in
detail, I felt compelled to point out a couple of facts that I believe
could be helpful to all:

Ethnicity is not determined alone by your DNA haplogroup.  In other
words, having "X" haplogroup does not automatically place you in any
ethnic group, regardless of all those ancient stories.  If your
genealogical and historical research shows documented ancestral
evidence of certain

Alberto,

You are very much correct.  According to Gary Felix's Genealogy of
Mexico DNA Surname Project, the current breakdown of all persons
tested is the following:

Native American 17%
Nordic 8%
Semitic 20%
Western European 46%
Other 8%

Of course this is not an accurate reflection of Mexican Hispanics'
ethnic composition, because this is not a scientifically sampled
population, but it gives an approximation or estimate of what it truly is.

Victor

The link to the Genealogy of Mexico DNA Project is:
http://members.tripod.com/~GaryFelix/index63.htm


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Alberto Duarte  wrote:
> Members and cousins:
> It would be very interesting if we all had our dna
> results, but I believe we would be very much the same
> since we share the same Mexican ancestors and they
> also came from the same region of Mexico, Spain,
> Portugal.
> 
> Any comments?
> 
> Alberto.
> 

Margarita,

The limitation about only being able to test the female line does not
depend on the site doing the testing, but is something inherent to the
way men and women are genetically different.

However, you can determine your genetic lineage by testing anyone in
the direct lineage of your father, that is, your father himself or an
uncle, a brother of yours, a son of your uncle, even a grandson of
your father.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Margarita Vallazza 
wrote:
> If we can only go through the female line, then I'll have to go through 
> another site.  My mother was from Scotland, and her mother was from 
> Ireland.:(  Marge
> On Jun 21, 2005, at 4:10 PM, Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
> 
> > I would love to see how others did thier dna tests. I feel cheated as
> >  a female that I can only do the mtdna (female)line. I ordered mine
> >  through Gary Felix's site.  My husband ordered his from another even
> >  though it's the same lab.. he does not

Hello Linda,

If you already ordered and sent your samples through Gary Felix's
site, that means that the company doing your testing is Family Tree DNA.

What the mtDNA test will show is what haplogroup your
maternal-genealogical line belongs to. This will identify the
biogeographical regions and migration routes of your deep ancestry;
deep meaning very, very old ancestry.

In the case of YDNA is something similar for the paternal line, except
that the genetic markers in the Y chromosome mutate more rapidly so
they can be used to trace genealogical relationships (by matching to
others) on a shorter time scale (hundreds of years).  Obviously, this
kind of test is most useful from the genealogist perspective.

There's a third kind of test done by a different company which tests
not the Y chromosome, nor the mitochondrial (mt) DNA, but the
autosomal DNA.  This DNA represents the bulk of our DNA, the genetic
accumulation or load of all our ancestors that define what and who we
are, not

FYI
Here's the English version of my question to Emilie:

Have you tried the "Alt" key to the right side of the space bar and
the key with the question mark?

I can see, you got that right!

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Victor Villarreal wrote:
> 
> >Hello Emilie,
> >
> >I too have my keyboard configured for International English.  As you 
> >know, in my case Spanish is my native language and English is my
second 
> >one.
> >
> >Regarding the upside down question mark (or should it be right side 
> >up), ¿Has intentado usar la combinación de teclas "Alt" a la derecha 
> >del la barra espaciadora y la tecla con el signo de interrogación?
> >
> sorry but I didn't get it. . .can you give us this last sentence in
English?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> joseph
> 
> ps: are Teclas "keys" . . .actually as I'm reading it again I think I'm 
> getting it. Tell me if this is right, "Have you intended to use the 
> combination keys Alt to the right of the