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Confirmaciones

Hola Chris

Well I was raised Catholic in Mexico. I got my confirmation when I 
was 13 or 14, I do not remember exactly. The same thing happened to 
my brother who is 3 years older. However, my oldest brothers and 
sisters, as well as my parents, were confirmed on their childhood 
soon after they were born. Once, I asked my grandma why I did not 
have my confirmation when I was baptized, and she told me that in the 
past, it was a common practice to confirm children before their 
second birthday; however, some priests adviced the parents no to get 
the confirmation at that age and wait until the child was 13 years 
old, so that he/she could be able to understand the real meaning of 
confirmation. I remember that I had to go to saturday classes to 
prepare for my first communion for a couple years, and an extra year 
of classes to get my confirmation. 

After that year of studying, I received my confirmation from the 
bishop of Ciudad Guzman who put some oil on my forehead and then

Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

I appreciate all the help people have given me on my
questions. 

In regard to the 'Expuestos" question, I did notice
that what followed the 'Expuestos' heading were a
series of names without last names or parental
information (unlike the regular baptism records). So
the notion that these children were abandoned makes
sense. This was for baptism records in the 1850s for
Monterrey, Nuevo Leon.

As for the Confirmations question, the timeframe I was
looking was for in the Tlaltenango records was 1895 or
so, so if I find anything I'll be sure to let you
know. 

Again, I really appreciate all the emails.

Chris Pineda

--- readysetgo95814  wrote:

> 
> No offense taken.  We are all here to learn and
> benefit from each 
> other's experiences.  I myself was born in
> Guadalajara and I was 
> confirmed shortly after I was baptized. Within a
> year of my 
> baptism.  So was everyone I knew. I think Chris'
> question was 
> related to an ancestor so I answered it according to
> the

Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

No offense taken.  We are all here to learn and benefit from each 
other's experiences.  I myself was born in Guadalajara and I was 
confirmed shortly after I was baptized. Within a year of my 
baptism.  So was everyone I knew. I think Chris' question was 
related to an ancestor so I answered it according to the timeframe 
Chris was referring to (1800's or so) for a gggreat-grandfather.

The records I have examined for expuestos are pretty clear in the 
language they use that the child was abandoned.  They list no 
parents' names and the child is not given a surname.  They are also 
very specific as to the location where the child was left.  Such as, 
being left on the doorstep of Don Ygnacio Sánchez.  They also say 
the child is being baptized, not just blessed.  Thus, you find them 
in the baptismal books, as Chris did.

I also do not profess to be an authority on the subject, but only 
speak from my own limited experience.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Smiley 

Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

...I'm not going to beg to differ with anyone, as I am NOT an authority on this subject. I spoke in more detail with my MIL and she said that the child is baptized when they are under 1 year old, then at the age of 3 or later, they are then confirmed.  The timeframe depends on the parents.  If the child has NOT been presented to the church before this time, then anyone can present the child to the Father to have that child blessed (expuesto).  My MIL was born & raised in Mexico and up until a few years ago, lived there her whole life.  I did not mean to upset anyone with my reply so if I did, I apologize...
 
Smiley
 


Irma GomezLucero wrote:
I'm with Maria on this.  Confirmations in Mexico take place at about 2 years old after the Baptism has been received. 
 
In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I say used to take place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old of enough to "Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the church--This has changed

Club Zacatecano, Los Caxcanes of Tlachichila

Good for Alicia and Club Zacatecas. I second your
sentiments, Smiley.
 
Zendean
----- Original Message -----
From:
Smiley
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 11:04
PM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Club Zacatecano,
Los Caxcanes of Tlachichila

...Alicia, that is great news.  I am sure
the group will grow & prosper when more people understand what the group
is for.  I have family, but from Rancho Los Ramirez, Rio Grande,
ZAC.  I wish you only the best of luck.  Please keep us informed as
to the progress of the meetings...
 
Smiley
Norman, OK


Alicia Carrillo alliecar@...>
wrote:
I am so excited I know you can all hear me sing and dance. This
afternoon I attended my first meeting for a newly formed group. It's called
Los Caxcanes de Tlachichila and it falls under the purview of La Federacion
de Clubes Zacatecanos de el Norte de California. Meaning that it is fully
sanctioned by the Club

Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

I'm with Maria on this.  Confirmations in Mexico take
place at about 2 years old after the Baptism has been received. 
 
In the USA, Confirmations take place or should I say used
to take place around 12-13 years of age when a child was old of enough to
"Confirm" that they wanted to be a member of the church--This has changed quite
recently to as early as 7 years of age.   
 
Not so in Mexico--this  sacrament is usually received
at the age of 2. 
 
Expuesto means the child was left or abandoned on someone's
doorstep with parents unknown. 
 
Irma

From: Smiley [mailto:smileysway2@...]

Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:09 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Question about
Confirmations, and Expuestos

...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year
of a child's life; and the confirmations happen when they turn 12-13 years of
age; and as far as "expuestos", my mother in law (who is a devout
Catholic) states this is a word used when the child has NOT been

Question about Confirmations, and Expuestos

...baptisms usually happen within the 1st year of a child's life; and the confirmations happen when they turn 12-13 years of age; and as far as "expuestos", my mother in law (who is a devout Catholic) states this is a word used when the child has NOT been confirmed.  They are outside of the church, or possibly going to another church or have moved out of the area.  I hope this helps you out Chris...
 
Smiley
 

readysetgo95814 wrote:


Hi Chris,

Confirmations usually occurred within the first year of the child's
life.  Shortly after baptism.

Expuestos means children who were abandoned in front of somebody's
doorstep.  Sometimes it was a church, often times it was a private
residence.

Maria

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda
wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I was hoping for some quick guidance. I requested and
> received the baptism microfilm to determine the names
> of the parents of my great-grandfather Nicanor Pineda,
> born in Tlaltenango.  
>
> The problem is that

Club Zacatecano, Los Caxcanes of Tlachichila

...Alicia, that is great news.  I am sure the group will grow & prosper when more people understand what the group is for.  I have family, but from Rancho Los Ramirez, Rio Grande, ZAC.  I wish you only the best of luck.  Please keep us informed as to the progress of the meetings...
 
Smiley
Norman, OK


Alicia Carrillo wrote:
I am so excited I know you can all hear me sing and dance. This afternoon I attended my first meeting for a newly formed group. It's called Los Caxcanes de Tlachichila and it falls under the purview of La Federacion de Clubes Zacatecanos de el Norte de California. Meaning that it is fully sanctioned by the Club Zacatecano which is affiliated with the 3x1 in Zacatecas and Mexico City.
 
Prior to tonights meeting the main method of communication and fundrasing was by word of mouth to a very small group of individuals who were continously taxed with raising money for the 3x1. For every dollar raised here,  the fedral government and the state of

Club Zacatecano, Los Caxcanes of Tlachichila

I am so excited I know you can all hear me sing and dance. This afternoon I attended my first meeting for a newly formed group. It's called Los Caxcanes de Tlachichila and it falls under the purview of La Federacion de Clubes Zacatecanos de el Norte de California. Meaning that it is fully sanctioned by the Club Zacatecano which is affiliated with the 3x1 in Zacatecas and Mexico City.
 
Prior to tonights meeting the main method of communication and fundrasing was by word of mouth to a very small group of individuals who were continously taxed with raising money for the 3x1. For every dollar raised here,  the fedral government and the state of Zacatecas matched it with one dollar each. In spite of the small group they have managed to raise money to build the cafeteria for the high school, build the first funeral parlor of the town and built a senior center.
 
The group is planning as a result of tonights meeting it's first dinner dance. We convinced them that not only was it important to