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An Unsolved Mystery

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Irma,
 
What you say about our memories of sitting around while the grown-ups
talked about their bringing up (te acuerdas-----?) may be what is influencing
many of us now.  When I am reading the records in microfilms, I actually
hear the voices of my older relatives; I hear their inflections, the way they
spoke the Spanish language.  When I have done a long stretch of reading
films, I continue to hear the voices long after.  My husband experienced
that phenomenon too when we were in Salt Lake City and he helped me review some
films, even though he doesn't go the the local FHC with me.  He does go
with me to the libraries (FHCs and university libraries in El Paso, Las Cruces,
etc) and helps me. 
 
Emilie Garcia
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Subject: RE: [ranchos] An Unsolved
Mystery

Several members of the LDS church have shared some of
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Unsolved mystery

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Linda,
 
I too have a Valencia ancestor on my mother's side.  Also I too am one
of that last generation of our culture that can understand Spanish although I am
not fluent in it.  I never had any children, but if I had, I guess they
would have married out of the culture as have just about all my nieces and
nephews, and so have lost their ethnicity and don't share our feelings for
things Mexican.  Maybe our ancestors feel this loss and are anxious for us
to get the history down and pass it on to those we leave behind.
 
Emilie Garcia
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Subject: [ranchos] Unsolved mystery

Thank you Emilie for talking about this subject. I find it

heartwarming that so many group members are willing to share
their
'extra' help in finding the records for our ancestors.  People
who
don't do genealogy find our passion for
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Weeweechu

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   I WISH YOU AND ALL THE GROUP A VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR! 



HOPE TO MEET YOU'ALL EITHER IN CALIFORNIA OR SALT LAKE CITY.



MICKEY GARCIA

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An Unsolved Mystery.

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Jos¨¦,

I admire your attitude and willingness to learn another language.  It's not easy and you are doing an excellent job.  I have not had a problem understanding your messages.  What comes across to me is that you are an educated person and have a lot to contribute.  The focus of this group is the exchange of genealogical data. With that thought in mind the important thing is to keep contributing in either language.  If you want to expand your knowledge of the English language in the process, then by all means continue to do so.  There are enough of us here who can help you with translations whenever you want.

Saludos desde California,

Maria Cortez


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> 
> Jos§Û Rom§Òn,
> 
> I agree your english is not perfect (neither is mine ask Marge 
> Vallazza), but I VERY VERY much agree that it takes tremedous courage to 
> jump into the middle of a primarily english speaking group and making an 
> effort like you are
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definition of "Rancho"

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thanks John,



I haven't heard anything from that website that I was hoping would put
us in contact with el señor Jose Antonio Gutierrez Gutierrez. I will
try to find someone that knows how to contact him. I wonder what
University he was associated with.



thanks again,



joseph



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Subject: Rancho
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:58:32 -0800
From: John Gonzalez 1gnzlz@...>
To: Joseph Puentes




Guess what? 
 I found the definition of "Rancho",
 kind of late, but I just thought you might find them intersting.
 
1.- This definition is by Francois
Cheavalier, who in 1976 wrote the book:  "La Formacion de Los Grandes
Latifundios en Mexico."
 
"Rancho designa una cabaña, un
abrigo mas o menos provisional, es el jacal o la majada que hacian los
pastores, a menudo trashumantes.  De este sentido primitivo,  el
término
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My bad usage of the English language (I believe that Shakespear...

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JGRL,
 
First, allow me to apologize for my Spanish as I try to communicate
this:
 
Aunque se como leer un poquito el espanol, no porque lo estudie, si no
porque siempre tuve interes en el idioma de mis anticedentes, se que hablo e
escribo/hablo como una persona no muy educada...
 
Even though I know how to read and write Spanish a
little bit, not because I studied it, but because I have always had an interest
in the language of my ancestors, I know that I don't write/speak as if I was
well educated.
 
En realidad, la mayoria de nosotros nos encontramos en Estados Unidos
porque nuestros padres tenian que venir por razones economicos.  Somos de
gente humilde.  Nuestros padres, aunque siempre hablaban espanol, no lo
hablaban con "educacion" de libros o de universidad.  Cuando leo lo que
escribes y como lo escribes, quisiera tener el mismo poder que tienes sobre el
idioma espanol. 
 
The reality is that the majority of us who are in the
United States are here because our
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Weeweechu

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Does anyone have any good Jalisco, Zacatecas or Aguascalientes
Christmas stories? Please keep the discussion on topic and something to
do with "us." Just like this very on topic "chiste":



>>Subject:
FW: "Weeweechu"

>> 

>>One
beautiful December evening a Zacateano named Pedro and his girlfriend
Rosita were

>>sitting
by the side of the Pacific ocean. It was a romantic full moon, when

>>Pedro
said, "Hey, mamacita, let's play Weeweechu."

>> 

>>"Oh
no, not now, lets look at the moon" said Rosita.

>> 

>>"Oh,
c'mon baby, let's you and I play Weeweechu.

>>I
love you and it's the perfect time," Pedro begged.

>> 

>>"But
I wanna just hold your hand and watch the moon."

>> 

>>"Please,
corazoncito, just once, play Weeweechu with me."

>> 

>>Rosita
looked at Pedro and said, "OK, one time, we'll play Weeweechu."

>>Pedro
grabbed his guitar and they both sang.....

>> 

>> 
"Weeweechu a Merry Christmas, Weeweechu a Merry Christmas,

>>
(we wish you)                 (we wish
you)

>>  
"Weeweechu a
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Thanks Elvira.

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Para ilustrar un punto, si ves la primera misiva que
escribí abajo en inglés, notaras una cantidad de errores en el párrafo. 
 
Hace añales que no escribo en español.  A pesar de
que hablo mas de una lengua muy a menudo "se me van las cuatro".  El inglés
no es mi idioma nativo pero es uno de los que "mascullo"  mas mal que
bién.  El bardo y yo nunca nos hemos llevado muy bién por cuestión de que
su lenguaje y el mio no concuerdan (ni siquiera me ha ayudado el hecho de que mi
esposo es de por alla de sus lares).
 
Ahhh, Will y yo siempre andamos "de la greña"  con
eso del habla. 
 
De cualquier manera, no estamos aqui para corregir el
lenguaje de nadie ni para criticar a nadie. Simplemente estamos aqui para
ayudarnos mutuamente a continuar nuestra genealogía.
 
Disculpa la disonancia de ésta pero aun no he tomado mi
café (trabajé hasta esta mañana y el engranaje cerebral aun no está lo
suficientemente lubricado como para comenzar el dia, mucho menos para ejercitar
el
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Tlaltenango Census

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I have not checked my email in a very long time, but this email caught my
eye right away.  Lorenzo de Miramontes is my ancestor so I am interested if
it mentions any of his immediate family, as well as the family of his
brothers, sisters, and/or his parents and other children.  

How would you send such a document?  Would it be a computer file or the
actual copy of the original manuscript?  I will pay you good moneyyou?re
your trouble.  Please send it to my email address:

PacoHernandez73@...

I now use this address way more than my aol.com account.  Today when I
logged on I had 427 email messages. I'm not kidding.

If you require my snail mail address then I will make that available to you
if necessary.  I am very interested.

Sincerely, 
Steven F. Hernández



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From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Arturo Ramos
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 11:43 AM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ranchos] Tlaltenango Census

If
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An Unsolved Mystery.

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Here is the translation of your "chiste" Jose.

The father of a wealthy family sends one of his older sons to the 
U.S. so that he could learn English.  The son went to one of the best 
schools in the country and after a while the father calls him and 
asks him, "So how is it going with your English?"  The son 
responds, "Gosh, Dad, I can't seem to learn English and I am 
forgetting my Spanish."  Then the Dad tells him anxiously, "Well you 
had better come back then son, lest you become a mute."

Agradecemos mucho que hagas el esfuerzo de escibirnos en ingles.  A 
mi me cuesta bastante escribir en espanol tambien, pero sigamos 
haciendolo como podamos y asi vamos mejorando, no...

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, José Román González López 
 wrote:
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> To the great fellow Joseph:
>    
>   Thanks for your message.
>    
>   I hope not to say in my e-Mail messages an incorrect expression, 
but I know that my English is very bad. Any way I don't like offend 
to anybody, I don
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