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mtDNA and other DNA

Emilie.......I feel so
much better reading your post!   I was beginning to think I was
developing "Juvenile Alzheimer's"........I also remember something about this in
school......and.....also "so very long ago!"  :-)    Thanks
for making me feel better!     Josie in San
Antonio



From: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Emilie
Garcia
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:03 AM
To:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] mtDNA and other
DNA

Wow, Victor, I printed out your wonderful explanation below.  I think
I am beginning to grasp something.  I remember learning something about
chromosomes from school so very long ago.  Also, the man next door talked
about some monster criminals, murderers, who were shown to be "YY".  I
thought I recalled that men were "XY" and women were "XX".  YY's would be
genetic monsters, no?  They should be locked up or killed. They are not
really human if they exist.  I wonder if my neighbor was joking. 

Trevino match, DNA and the Today show - Capirotada

Oh, Victor,
 
I get it now.  When you said "Heinz 57", it reminded me of
something my mother and my aunt would say when they were getting ready to fix
dinner and they hadn't shopped or planned a menu for the meal.  "Bueno,
pues, hacemos un guiso pendejo". I don't understand "pendejo" (my Mother used to
call me Pendeja when I did something stupid).  They would chop up or grind
whatever meat was at hand and make a quick stew in a skillet with whatever
vegetables were at hand, and they would serve it over mashed potatoes or with
"sopa de arroz" (Spanish rice) and fresh homemade flour tortillas or biscuits on
the side.  I always would put butter on my warm toasty tortillas, true
"pocha" that I am.  The guiso always came out so good.  Like
Joseph, I miss the food of my childhood, and as much as I can, I try to
reproduce it by cooking from scratch like they did.
 
I asked my husband what he would call the mixture of races in Mexico, and
he said "una revoltura [de razas].  I

mtDNA and other DNA

Victor......thanks for the explanation on DNA, and you do
not sound patronizing.  I appreciate the detail that you provide regarding
DNA.  I have been so involved in searching for my ancestors
that I never gave DNA a thought until now.  This adds more flavor to
the research that I love!
 
I noticed that I only have four "HVR1 differences from CRS"
(mutations) in my mtDNA results posted on the database for Family Tree DNA while
others have five, six and more.  What does this indicate?  I
understand that the CRS is used as a basis for comparison with mtDNA and that,
in my case, I have four instances of differences from the CRS.......what I do
not understand is......is this a good thing?  :-)   Am I trying
to read too much into this? 
 
Thanks again, Victor, for your help......and thanks to the
other members of this group who have helped me!  I appreciate
it!
 
Josie in San Antonio

From:
ranchos@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ranchos@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
v.h.villarreal

mtDNA and other DNA

Wow, Victor, I printed out your wonderful explanation below.  I think
I am beginning to grasp something.  I remember learning something about
chromosomes from school so very long ago.  Also, the man next door talked
about some monster criminals, murderers, who were shown to be "YY".  I
thought I recalled that men were "XY" and women were "XX".  YY's would be
genetic monsters, no?  They should be locked up or killed. They are not
really human if they exist.  I wonder if my neighbor was joking.  I
know that often I don't get the jokes.
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:50
PM
Subject: [ranchos] mtDNA and other
DNA

Josie,

At the risk of oversimplifying this whole
thing, I'm posting a few
essential concepts about DNA. Please excuse me if
I sound patronizing.

We all have heard that DNA is the blueprint of
life.  And it is!  Or
to be more

Capirotada- Re: Trevino match, DNA and the Today show

Joseph,
 
If you can read recipes in a book and follow them, you could make
"capirotada" yourself.  When I went to New Orleans and to League City TX,
they served something called "bread pudding" that was just like my mother's
capirotada.  My mother was from New Mexico, where the Anglos' southern
style cooking was an influence along with everything else.  My mother used
to tear up pieces of bread and toast them then made a simple syrup and layered
the toasted bread with grated cheddar cheese and raisins and then pour the hot
syrup over it and let it sit awhile.  If you look up a recipe for
Southern-style bread pudding, you could make yourself some capirotada. 
There are so many versions of it.  I really liked the one in the South with
bourbon sauce in it--yum!  Don't any of the restaurants in your area serve
bread puddings?
 
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November

mtDNA and other DNA

Josie,

At the risk of oversimplifying this whole thing, I'm posting a few
essential concepts about DNA. Please excuse me if I sound patronizing.

We all have heard that DNA is the blueprint of life.  And it is!  Or
to be more exact, each organism's DNA is its own blueprint of life. 
Just think how it is possible to clone an animal (make an exact
genetic replica) from the DNA found in the nucleus of a single cell. 
And notice that in theory a clone could be made from practically every
cell in the body, as most cells have a copy of all their DNA, their
full genome.

Although each cell with a nucleus has their full genome it only has a
small section of it activated, the specific section that contains the
instructions that each cell must carry out.  Imagine a huge theater
performance with many, many actors, where every actor has a copy of
the whole script but some actors only have to read a few lines or a
few pages at most.  So it is with cells; each one has differentiated
to play a

DNA and the Today show.

Jose Ramon,
 
Cuando leo tus correos siento que escribes con tanta pasion y mucha sabiduria. Es un honor para el grupo que seas uno de los integrantes. Agregas algo muy rico a la mezcla de Ranchos. Yo tambien busco con anhelo mis raices mestizas, castas o indigenas y creo que mantengo una mente abierta para poder ver lo que se presente por enfrente.
 
Jose Ramon,
 
When I read your postings I feel that you write with much passion and knowledge. It's an honor for this group to have you as a member. You add much to the knowledgeable mix of Ranchos ( I am not very knowledgeable yet! ). I too search with zeal for my mestizo, caste or indigenous roots and I believe and hope that I should always keep my mind open so that when the facts present themselves, whatever they may be I will be open and present to the reality.
 
Thanks for your contributions,
 
Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

José Román González López wrote:
Hi Emilie:
Thanks for your msg.
 
I had has a great reading of

Arturo's comments about Gary Felix Mexico DNA project

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Arturo Ramos"  wrote:
>
> Gary is only focused on yDNA... paternal lines and his group is very 
> much focused on the "conquistadores" and Spanish lineages.
> 
> The mtDNA data for Mexico shows that most of the maternal genetic 
> material in modern Mexico is indigenous and given the demographic 
> collapse that occured shortly after contact with the Spanish, and the 
> subsequent movement of indigenous labor around the country, the mtDNA 
> information would draw a very different picture than the data Gary is 
> gathering.
> 
> We might be able to trace the ethnic groups of our indigenous 
> ancestors or at the very least learn about the migration patterns and 
> settlement waves that resulted in the indigenous population of Mexico.

Arturo, 

I asked Gary Felix to comment on your email. I think we all understand that the Americas, 
particularly Mexico and South America, are the mixing of three major cultures/races: 
European

DNA and the Today show.

Hi Emilie:
Thanks for your msg.
 
I had has a great reading of vital records (parish and civil) for my Genealogy, and to an others, that work is my principal source of information; the DNA projects are relatively new for my knowledge, this is very impacting for me (a little time more, and I could be "s - t - o - n - e - d", por poco me quedo "de una pieza", como decimos en español), and I considered it a important advance to the Family History.
 
Talking about the integration of a new culture (Latin-Americans), as the beginning of a new "raza" or "mezcla de razas" (White, Indigenous, Negroe, Asiatic, etc.) in America, I know that this is called "mestizaje"; but if the interaction between different etnias or cultures, in other places (not in America) as the DNA Project is showing, I think that Victor (saludos Víctor), is regarding to a new concept which is need describe it with another word, only
for the "mezcla" before of the "mestizaje" in the New Spain (and other places of

Haplogroup A ancestor---we are a match

I have uploaded an article into the files section of Ranchos2 that 
explores the relationship between genetics and Latin American 
(particularly Mexican) history.  It has some intersting data on mtDNA 
distributions among different ethinc groups in what is now the U.S. 
and Mexico.

Genetics and Latin American History.pdf

Surprisingly, the fact that we are all haplogroup A points to our 
maternal ancestors coming to the region after Spanish contact 
(probably from further south) since the groups indigenous to the area 
we are studying tend to have relatively high levels of haplogroup B 
populations.

The following is a link to a very well researched Spanish language 
article on the indigenous populations of the Colotlan/Bolanos area at 
the time of Spanish contact:

http://www.ejournal.unam.mx/historia_novo/ehn09/EHN00907.pdf



--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Josie T. Trevino"  
wrote:
>
> Hi!  
>  
> Someone once explained to me that the mtDNA results were, in some