I'm looking for the parents of Joseph Padilla and his wife María Eusebia Lópes de Lara. They probably married before June of 1734 in either Jalisco or Guanajuato.

Joseph Padilla, noted as born in Cuarenta, Jalisco (date unknown) and died before 25 Jun 1746. He is the first husband of María Eusebia Lópes de Lara (born c1715 probably in León, Guanajuato). 

I believe, but cannot yet prove, María Eusebia Lópes de Lara is the daughter of Donato López de Lara (b. c1685 & buried 30 Oct 1751 in León, Guanajuato) and Agueda Juliana de Soto (Sotomayor y Aguilar?).

1. María Eusebia Lópes de Lara (c1715 León?)

   1st marriage: bef. June 1734? Joseph Padilla b. Cuarenta, Jalisco d. bef. 25 Jun 1746
           1.1 Aguedas Juliana Padilla b. 1735 León, Guanajuato
               m. 5 Mar 1753 don Juan Antonío Muñoz de Xeres
           1.2 Joseph Marcelino Antonio Padilla b. c1739 Cuarenta, Jalisco
               m. 13 Aug 1757 doña María Antonía Muñoz de Xeres
               m. 10 May 1769 Antonía Victoria de Torres (India)
           1.3 Manuel Ciriaco Padilla b. 19 Jun 1739 Lagos bt. 28 Jun 1739 Lagos (Padrinos: Phelipe Lópes de Lara y Maria Theresa de Aranda)
               m. María Leonarda de Espinosa
           1.4 Marcos de Jesus Padilla b. 25 Apr 1741 Las Nazas, Jalisco
               m. 5 Jul 1767 Clara Silveria de Aranda
           1.5 María Josepha Padilla b. 31 Mar 1743 Lagos

   2nd marriage: 25 Jun 1746 don Joseph Muñoz de Xeres (son of Juan Muñoz de Xeres y Gómez and Ysabel de Aranda y Vanegas)
           1.6 José Segundo Muñoz de Xeres b. c1754
           1.7 Ana Petronila Muñoz de Xeres b. c1756
           1.8 Inéz Serapia Muñoz de Xeres b. c1758
           1.9 María Muñoz de Xeres b. c1759
           1.10 María de las Nieves Muñoz de Xeres b. c1760

Does anyone have a solid theory on the identity of Simón Báez, who married María de la Cerda [alias María de Balencuela?] probably sometime before Sep 1652?

Conjectured and proven children:

Nicolasa Báez de la Cerda b. c1653 probably in San Luis Potosí
Maria Báez b. 1653 in San Luis Potosí [may be the same person as sister Nicolasa Báez de la Cerda]
Simon Báez de la Cerda b. c1656 probably in Aguascalientes
Ygnacio Báez de la Cerna b. c1658 probably in Aguascalientes
Blasa Báez b. c1658? probably in Aguascalientes
Antonio Báez Lopes b. before 1659 probably in Aguascalientes (not proven)
Sebastiana Báez de la Cerda b 1659 in Aguascalientes

Simón Báez died in Aguascalientes and was buried 14 Dec 1659.

I lean toward one of two possibilities:

1. Simón Báez is the same person as the converso merchant Simón Báez de Sevilla, who was sentenced by the Inquisition to reconciliation in the 1649 auto-da-fé in Mexico City.
2. Simón Báez is the same person as Simón Enriques Báez of San Luis Potosí, nephew of the converso merchant Simón Báez de Sevilla. 

Household of María de la Cerda in the 1676 Padron de Santa María de los Lagos:

Rancho deel Potrerillo [21.268897, -101.862178]
Maria de la Serda Española, viuda ++ [María de la Cerda, widow of Simón Báez]
Anto de la Serda Español, viudo ++ [unproven son] 
Blasa de la Serda, Española, soltera ++ [daughter]
Ygnacio Baes, Español, soltero ++ [son]
Juan de Mendosa, Español, casado ++  Maria Ramos ++ [not sure]
Melchora de los Reyes ++ [mother of María de la Cerda and Nicolás de la Cerda? See below]
Ana Rodrigues, soltera ++
Sebastiana Ruiz ++
Domingo de Bonilla, soltero ++
Juan, Indio de 10 años +
Sebastian, Indio de 11 años +

Rancho de Castelongo [21.302221, -101.848539]
Francisco de Ysassi, Espanol, casado ++  Nicolaza Baes ++ [morisco son-in-law and daughter of María de la Cerda and Simón Báez]
Diego Hernandes, Indio, casado ++  Angelina Delacruz, India 
Theriza Rodrigues, India, soltera ++
Feliphe de la Cruz, Indio, soltero ++
Juan, Indio de 10 años +
Nicolas Hernandes, Indio de 10 años +

Is María de la Cerda a sister, or close relative, of Nicolás de la Cerda (c1630-1693), who married María de Bielma on 30 Sep 1652?

1. Nicolás's marriage record notes that his parents, Luis de la Serda and Melchora de los Reyes, are from San Gerónimo (Moctezuma in San Luis Potosí), not far from Mexquitic. In the 1653 baptismal record of her daughter María, María de Balencuela [alias de la Cerda?] is described as from "Mexquiteque."
2. In the 1676 Padron de Santa María de los Lagos, a Melchora de los Reyes is listed in the household of María de la Cerda. María de la Cerda would be between 40 and 50 years of age at that time so her mother could easily still be living.

Simón Báez and María de la Cerda are ancestors many times over. The family is descended from three of their children in different lines. DNA test results indicate the family has Ashkenazi and possible Sephardic ancestry. Other than perhaps Toribio Hernández de Arellano (ancestor x 2) and Bartolomé de Mesquita (also an ancestor many times over), there are no other likely converso ancestors to be found.

If anyone has theories or information about Simón Báez and María de la Cerda, I would like to hear from you.

Thank you,

Travis

Hello everyone!

Does anyone know who Gerónima de Ornelas (widow) is?

Gerónima is noted in the household of Antonia de Villegas in the 1669 Padron of Lagos:

Casa de Antonia de Villegas mestissa [alias Mendoza b. before 1629, widow of Juan de Santoyo alias Pérez]
Geronima de Ornelas Viuda ++ [Unknown]
Antonio de Santoyo casado con ++ [son, alias Mendoza]
Melchora Basques mestissa ++ [daughter-in-law, alias de los Reyes]
Angelina Peres mestissa soltera ++ [daughter]
Ysidro de Santoyo + [grandson?]
Juan de Santoyo + [grandson]

I have not identified the location of this home, but it is somewhere south of Lagos; probably close to Los Jacales.

I cannot find any information about Gerónima de Ornelas, but Antonia de Villegas is an ancestor thrice over and two women with whom I believe she may be closely related are both also ancestors (María de Villegas alias de Rodas alias González b. c1630 who married Juan de Saavedra; and María de González alias de los Reyes b. c1610 who married Domingo de Espinosa alias Vasquez). So Gerónima's identity may be an important clue to our ancestry.

The Mendoza surname is repeatedly used by Antonia and her descendants, male and female, for successive generations leading me to believe there was some importance attached to it for them. Maybe Antonia de Villegas alias Mendoza is related to, or descended from, Álvaro de Ornelas and Isabel de Mendoza?

Any information or thoughts on this are welcome.

Thank you,

Travis

I was contacted about a the below inactive .pdf Is there someone in the group that can supply me or this person with the correct file?

Buenos días, perdón que lo moleste.

Ví en la página de Nuestros Ranchos un enlace al pdf del libro Andariegos y pobladores: Nueva España y Nueva Galicia pero el enlace ya no sirve.

Usted tendrá el PDF?

Muchas gracias, le envío un saludo cordial.

thanks,

joseph

There were four men, all named Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava, who were born around 1625-1630, and who lived in the Teocaltiche/ Mexticacan/ Nochistlan area. I have been sorting through various documents, trying to get a hold on who these 4 persons were, and whether or not they might be the same person or persons, and I’ve developed a couple of theories which I thought I’d share here. First, a breakdown on who these men were:

Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava #1

The first Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava married Catalina Cortes de Sandoval on 21 Jun 1651, in Nochistlan; they were velados the following 1 Jun 1652. According to the dispensation of Joseph de Luna and Maria de San Juan Jimenez, Mateo #1 was the son of Antonio de Rubalcava (#1), who was the brother of Lorenzo de Rubalcava, who was the father of Agueda de Rubalcava, great-grandmother of the bride: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-D28K-Z?i=481&wc=3JW5-V…

From other records, we know that Antonio #1 and Lorenzo de Rubalcava were sons of Mateo de Rubalcava cc Geronima Morales.

This relationship is confirmed by the IM of Eugenio de Rubalcava and Maria Dolores de Lizarde, which again establishes Mateo #1 as the son of Antonio de Rubalcava #1, who was brother of Lorenzo de Rubalcava, who was father of Blas de Rubalcava: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TT37-2?i=25&wc=3P92-3T…

Mateo #1 died some time before 7 Jul 1670, when his daughter, Melchora de Rubalcava, married. Also, it should be noted that his mother is never mentioned, so her identity remains unknown.

Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava #2

The second Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava married Cecilia Vasquez de Islas on 4 Feb 1658 in Nochistlán; he died 21 Jun 1710, in Nochistlan. His origins remain uncertain; the only clue I’ve seen is the dispensation of their son, Joseph Gonzalez de Rubalcava, for his marriage to Magdalena Carrillo, hija natural of Geronimo Carrillo and Magdalena Mendoza. According to this dispensa, Mateo #2 and Geronimo Carrillo were 1st-cousins, though the details of their relationship are not explained: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K99-JY?cc=1874591&wc=…

Geronimo Carrillo might be the same who was married to Maria Lozano Sandoval, and who died and was buried on 8 Mar 1693 in Nochistlan. Likewise, he might be the same Geronimo, son of Diego Carrillo and Maria Lopez, who was confirmed 29 Dec 1666 in Teocaltiche: (left) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QT5Y-7?i=46&wc=SS5B-7M… and who was living in their household in the 1681 Teocaltiche padron: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89K2-Y8HH?i=475&cat=23…

If this is the case, then Geronimo’s relationship to Mateo #2 could be through his mother, Maria Lopez de Rubalcava, who was the daughter of Mateo de Rubalcava cc Geronima Morales; since Mateo #2 was his 1st-cousin, then he would also be their grandson. The relationship would look like this:

Tronco: Mateo de Rubalcava cc Geronima Morales
Maria Lopez-1- ?
Geronimo Carrillo-2-Mateo de Rubalcava #2
Magdalena Carrillo-3-Joseph de Rubalcava

Note: it is clear that Mateo #1 and Mateo #2 are NOT the same person, since they were married to different women and having children at the same time, and also, the former died at least 40 years before the latter.

Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava #3

The 3rd Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava was the son of the above-mentioned Lorenzo de Rubalcava and Catalina Gonzalez, confirmed on 16 May 1634 in Teocaltiche: (right) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QT5Y-9?cc=1874591&wc=3…

Mateo #3 had a natural daughter named Catalina Gonzalez, who married Juan Gonzalez Hidalgo on 31 Aug 1667, in Teocaltiche; that she was his daughter is explained in the dispensation of Bernardo Lopez de Nava and Quiteria Jimenez, which claims that, “Mateo Gonz de Rubalcava and Agueda Gonz de Rubalcava were siblings; from Mateo came Catarina Gonzales por copula iliicita, from whom came Nicolasa Gonzalez Hidalgo, mother of the groom; from Agueda came Catharina Arellanos, and from this one, Antonio Jimenez father of the bride”: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K9Y-JN?i=253&wc=12512…

From other records, we know that Agueda de Rubalcava aka Agueda Lopez was the daughter of Lorenzo de Rubalcava cc Catalina Gonzalez, supporting that Mateo #3 was the same confirmed in 1634. Nothing else is known about him.

Mateo Gonzalez de Rubalcava #4

on this page of family search: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-4VSW-LB?i=161&cc=1804458&lang=en

child is Je Bernabe of Blas Palacios and Prudencia Guerrero (right side first complete record)

I'm trying to figure out the Abuelo Paterno first name of . . .is it ???Hoquinto??? Palacios and Micaela Reyes (see the attached snip)

thanks,

Joseph

Researching possible relative Juan de Saavedra in 17^th century Lagos, and I ran across the de Saavedra y Guzman family, Basically, the below pedigree is cobbled from different sources. In some cases, I found this family group in online trees with the addition of my Juan de Saavedra and his wife Maria de Villegas:

PEDIGREE 1

1 Antonio de Saavedra Guzmán (Espanol) (c.1562-c.1620)

                m. Catalina de Villafañe y Alvarado

                1.1 Juan de Saavedra y Guzmán (birth estimates range from c.1589/c.1590)

                                m. María de Monroy y Flores (birth estimates range from c.1590 to c.1633)

                                1.1.1 Juan de Saavedra (Espanol) (birth estimates range from c.1590 to b.1634 and most dates for death are c.1675)

                                                m. María de Villegas alias de Rodas alias Gonzales (Espanola/mestizo) (b.????)

                                                1.1.1.1 Ana Saavedra (b.1651)

                                                1.1.1.2 Ines Saavedra (b.1653)

                                                1.1.1.3 Juana Saavedra (b.1654)

                                                1.1.1.4 Josepha Saavedra (b.1660)

                                                1.1.1.5 María Saavedra (abt.1663?)

                                                1.1.1.6 Juan Saavedra (b.1664)

                                                1.1.1.7 Phelipe Saavedra (b.1664)

                                                1.1.1.8 Santiago Saavedra (b.????)

                                1.1.2 Isabel de Saavedra y Monroy (most online dates of birth are around c.1633)

                                m. Ines de Brenes y Mendoza (birth dates are again all over the map, usually c.1610 to c. 1622)

                                1.1.2 Isabel de Saavedra y Monroy (some pedigrees place Isabel as daughter of Ines de Brenes y Mendoza)

• There are many issues with this pedigree like the overly wide age gap between Juan de Saavedra y Guzmán (1.1) and Juan de Saavedra (1.1.1), if it is adjusted to make more sense, then a large age gap forms between Juan de Saavedra (1.1.1) and Ana Saavedra (1.1.1.1).
• There is a documented relationship between Antonio de Saavedra Guzmán (1) and Juan de Saavedra y Guzmán (1.1) but no verified date of birth for Juan de Saavedra y Guzmán (1.1) and his wives.
• There is no documentation to support the relationship between Juan de Saavedra y Guzmán (1.1) and my Juan de Saavedra (1.1.1). Juan de Saavedra (1.1.1) seemingly appears from nowhere.

The proven pedigree I researched below belongs to another Juan Saavedra. It is based upon this Juan de Saavedra's marriage record and the baptism record of his daughter, María:

PEDIGREE 2

A Juan de Saavedra (b.????)

Hola, everyone:

My name is Ryan and I am currently researching my 10th great-grandfather, Andrés de ARAIZA. I believe he was born around 1635 and he married Micaela de YSASI/ISASSI around 1655. Their children are: Catalina de ARAIZA (1658-?) and Antonio de ARAIZA (1661-?), both of whom were born in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco. Andrés de ARAIZA died 4 Jul 1662 in Ahualulco de Mercado, Jalisco. 

This WikiTree* says that Andrés de ARAIZA's parents were Juan de ARAIZA y MEDINA and María de las Islas, however I have not found any sources that support this.

*WikiTree: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Araiza-16

Has anyone come across my 10th great-grandfather, Andrés de ARAIZA, in their research and knows how he fits into the picture?

Siempre agradecido,

Ryan R.

¡Saludos a todos!

I am very excited to be joining this group. I live in California, USA, and I trace my ancestry back to the early Mexican settlers who came to California between 1769 and 1848. I am currently investigating my family's lines in Ahualulco, Jalisco.

Some of the families I am researching are: VÁSQUEZ, GÓMEZ, CORONA, DE ARAIZA, CORTÉS, DE YSASI/ISSASI, TIZNADO, ALVARÉZ, "CASTELO," RODRÍGUEZ, PATRÓN, DE LEÓN, DE HARO, PACHECO, DEL VALLE, DE SOTO, DE ÁVILA, ESPINOSA, LUGO.

I look forward to collaborating with everyone!

Atentamente,

- Rian R. (https://nuestrosranchos.org/rian)

Hello,

Thank you for allowing me to join this group. I am looking forward to learning from everyone here. I've been lurking for awhile now as a visitor reading public posts and am impressed by the knowledge and research of the members here.

Even though I've researched my Texas and American ancestors for a few years I'm a novice with Mexican genealogy. I have many questions and maybe a bit of original research to contribute, also. 

I am researching families primarily in Jalisco and Guanajuato that are spread out like a wide curved paintbrush stroke from Aquascalientes southeast across Encarnación de Díaz and Lagos de Moreno through León and ending around Silao.

Surnames include (bold type indicates special interest): Gómez/Gómes, Tavares/Tabares, Pacheco, Carillo, Mena, Beloso/Veloso/Velas, Villegas, López de Lara, Padilla/Padilla de Ávila, Mezquita/Amesquita, Araisa/Araysa/Araiza, Quirós, Días/Díaz, Abrego, Sánches/Sánchez, Almaguer, Yañez, Ojeda, Hernández Ñagas, Saavedra, Mendoza, Santoyo, Santos, San Joseph, Luna y Tapía, Amador, Hernández/Hernándes/Hernándes de Aguila, Lópes/López, Chavarria, Martínez/Martín, Flores, de la Cruz, de los Reyes, Zamores/Samores, de Silva/de Silba, Medina, Espitia, Lovato/Lobato, Ximénes/Giménes/Jiménes, Espinosa/Espinoza, Gonzáles/González, Alonzo, Ortiz de Parada, Moreno, Gonzáles de Ruvalcava, Gallardo, Rodas, Balderrama/Valderrama/Gauderrama, Beserra/Becerra, Carrillo, Romo/Romo de Vivar, Macías, Baladés/Valadés, Lomelín, Ruiz de Esparza/Ruis de Esparsa, de la Cerda, de la Cerna, López de la Cerda, Báez/Báes/Váez/Vaz, Ysassi/Isassi/Ysas/Isasi, Rodrígues/Rodríguez, Ponse/Ponce/Ponze, Gutiérrez, Torres, Garnica, Cardoza/Cardosa, Cardona, Zamarripa/Samarripa, Cortéz/Cortés, Pichardo and de la Mota.

With multiple lines of descent from the following couples in the 1600's and 1700's: 

• Simón Báez and María de la Cerda
• Juan Días Toribio and Ines de Abrego
• Bartholomé de Mesquita and Luisa de Torres
• d. Juan Christoval de Luna y Tapía and Beatris Ynes
• Capitán Martín Gabadi de Navarro and da. Petronila de Moctezuma
• Diego Becerra and María Días (alias María Hurtado)

Thanks again,

Travis