Thank you so much. You are a gentleman, and a scholar.

But that's not my General Trinidad.

Trinidad Rodriguez Quintanilla had a son named Samuel, and was Villa's closest personal friend.

My Trini should be Trinidad Rodriguez Montoya, but I might be off on the second last name.

Hey. You had a fifty percent chance of being right! And I do appreciate the effort.

Quintanilla was moreno. My general was guerro and looked just like my mother's established uncles, and grandfather. My mother even looks like him. We all have super high cheekbones, and a long oval-shaped face.

There's even a town named Gral. Trinidad Rodriguez. But which general???

---- Jose Aguayo wrote:
> Hola Nathan:
> I read with great interest your mention of General Trinidad Rodriguez. I,
> too, am a student of the Mexican Revolution and especially General Francisco
> Villa and the Division Del Norte. When I read your message, I immediately
> consulted the index of The Life & Times of Pancho Villa by Friedrich Katz.
> There is indeed a reference to one General Trinidad Rodriguez, but no
> listing of his maternal surname in the index. The narrative this 800 plus
> page tome lists your possible ancestor four times. He was associated with
> Villa from his bandit days before the Revolution. Villa considered him one
> of his favorite generals -- as evidence, he adopted Trinidad's son Samuel
> after the general was killed late in the Revolution. There is mention in
> the book of Manuel Chao and Trinidad Rodriguez's troops being defeated by
> General Pascual Orozco at the battle of Santa Rosalia in 1913. Trinidad
> Rodriguez was the uncle of Rogelio Rodriguez Saenz whose father owned the
> hacienda of El Pichague. The father, for obvious reasons, wanted nothing to
> do with the revolution, but Rogelio also joined one of Villa's brigades.
> The final mention in the book of General Trinidad Rodriguez is when he heard
> that Villa threatened to resign command of the Division del Norte during his
> dispute with General Carranza in 1914. When Carranza accepted Villa's
> resignation and appointed him Governor of Chihuahua, a disgruntled General
> Rodriguez was overheard to say, "I will go into the mountains and live off
> roots!" I would bet that this General Rodriguez Saenz was in fact your "tio
> abuelo" because Villa would have only allowed the erection of a statue in
> his beloved Chihuahua of one of his favorite commanders and trusted friend.
> Jose Aguayo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "NathanJones"
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:24 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Ceniceros
>
>
> >
> > Ceniceros is a name in our family that is virtually interchangeable with
> > Lucifer himself. El diablo.
> >
> > My mother turned 88 last week, on July 10. She's bedridden. She's always
> > had flat feet, and has diabetic neuropathy, so her tiny feet can't support
> > her weight anymore. And she has alzheimer's, so her memory is very weak.
> >
> > But when she hears that name her green eyes still glow red with fire.
> >
> > Ceniceros was the man who killed her father, my grandfather in 1923 in
> > Jimenez, Chihuahua.
> > He was the principal of the school in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua at the
> > time.
> >
> > And a member of the brand new PRI Party. Perhaps, the first PRI candidate
> > to be assasinated.
> >
> > Grandpa Nicolas found Pancho VIlla's buried treasure, so the story goes.
> > And Ceniceros killed him for it.
> >
> > I don't have all the facts right. But family tradition says Ceniceros was
> > released following a general amnesty that freed all prisoners following
> > the revolution.
> >
> > Naturally, the revolutionary period in Chihuahua is of interest to my
> > family. I've tried to find sources without much luck.
> >
> > I cannot corroborate whether General Trinidad Rodriguez was actually my
> > mother's uncle as she has always told me. She took me to his mounted
> > statue when she showed me Chihuahua as a boy, and told me that was her
> > uncle.
> >
> > As I've mentioned before, there are TWO Generals Trindidad Rodriguez in
> > this period, and area.
> > General Trinidad Rodriguez Quintanilla is defnitely NOT my relation. The
> > other Trini Rodriguez is the one we believe is part of our familia. But I
> > can find no direct evidence:(
> >
> > I would like to piece the puzzle together for my madrecita querida before
> > she dies. Tie the Rodriguez family together at last.
> >
> > Mama lost her father when she was only five years old. Yet she remembers
> > him as if she saw him yesterday. Nothing has been able to erase that
> > memory from her mind, or that love in her heart.
> >
> > I recently heard from a cousin that family friends came to my uncle Guerro
> > about forty years ago. My mother's older brother by 11 months. They told
> > him Ceniceros was in town, there in Chihuahua, Chihuahua. They gave my
> > uncle a loaded gun and told him they would go with him to kill him.
> >
> > But my uncle uncharacteristically said his first responsibility now was
> > his own children, not avenging his father.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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