Hi,

For more information on Dona Leonor Moctezuma see book:
The Encomederos of New Spain 1521 - 1555
Author Ropbert Himmerich Y Valencia / It sites the place where they got there sources.

Take Care

Patsy Ludwig
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1. Was Leonor Cortez Moctezuma married first with CONQUISTADOR
CRISTOBAL DE VALDERRAMA and then with TOLOSA? (alfonsogonzalezg)
2. See the article about Coacalco (alfonsogonzalezg)
3. Re: El Papalote in San Juan de los Lagos, Jal. research
Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5 (Irma GomezLucero)

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:33:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: alfonsogonzalezg
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Was Leonor Cortez Moctezuma married first
with CONQUISTADOR CRISTOBAL DE VALDERRAMA and then with TOLOSA?
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Hi,

I'm tracing the line of Leonor Cortez Moctezuma, the daughter that was never recognized by his mother Isabel Moctezuma. I have found some records about she was married with Juan de Tolosa, but in others mention that she was married first with Crist?bal de Valderrama, infact the line that goes to Petronila de Moctezuma comes from this one.

Juan de Altamirano (his descendants become the counts of Santiago Calimaya) took care of Leonor Cortez.

I'd like to know if this Leonor Cortez married with Crist?bal de Valderrama is the same that later married with Tolosa. You can check this link:

http://groups.google.com.mx/group/Genealogia-Mexico/msg/62b3788a4ebcaebb

Please don't forget that there was a Leonor Moctezuma (half sister of Isabel).

Does anyone has records about this subject? I mean, records that could prove that the investigation is 100% accurate?

Thank you
Alfonso

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 20:43:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: alfonsogonzalezg
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] See the article about Coacalco
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In the history of Coacalco mentions that Leonor Moctezuma (half sister of Isabel) married with Crist?bal de Valderrama. Then there is a contradiction between the genealogical tree that is accessed by the link I just posted in my first comments.

If we go by the Coacalco information, then Petronila de Moctezuma would be descendant of Leonor Moctezuma, but not from Isabel and Hern?n Cortez. Does anyone has a record that could prove one theory or the other one?

You can read the Coacalco info in the following link:
http://www.coacalco.com/sitio2/m_siglo16.htm

Regards,
Alfonso Gonz?lez

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2006 07:47:16 -0700
From: "Irma GomezLucero"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] El Papalote in San Juan de los Lagos,
Jal. research Digest, Vol 7, Issue 5
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Hola Nelida,
I have ancestors from the ranch El Papalote in San Juan de los
Lagos through my Maternal Grandmother, Juana Padilla, but I believe it
is through her Gutierrez or Padilla lines. I'll double check with my
mother.

Yo tengo ancestros que vivieron en el Rancho El Papalote en San
Juan de los Lagos por parte de mi abuela materna, Juan Padilla, pero
pienso que eran Gutierrez o Padilla. Tendre que averiguar esto con mi
madre.

Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
Sacramento, CA
USA

I would like to know if anyone has any information regarding el RANCHO
EL PAPELOTE IN JALISCO. My grandmother was from there. I don't know if
that would belong to San Julian Jalisco or San Juan de Los Lagos
Jalisco. My grandmother Camila Estrada was from that area. I can't
seem to find anything on the web regarding this rancheria. Can anyone
help?

Gracias,
Nelida Vazquez Estrada

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2006 20:11:06 -0500
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Rancho EL PAPELOTE EN JALISCO
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go here: http://biblio2.colmex.mx/bibdig/dicc_cubas/base3.htm
and under p and then Papelote it says:

"Rancho de la Municipalidad de San Juan de los Lagos, segundo canton,
estado de Jalisco. Otro de la municipalidad de Union."

joseph

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