Hello Leticia, I'm starting my search with nothing but family names. I was only 12 when I met my great-uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara and have no idea what part of town I was in, and since my mother never kept up any correspondence, I have nothing but family names to go on. Sorry, but these are the brick walls I've been battling for about two months now. Thanks for keeping me in mind; I keep reading all the messages posted and ordering films from the FHC in hopes of finding some kind of lead. Alice B. Blake

--- marionicia@yahoo.com.mx wrote:

From: Leticia Leon
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 03:44:20 -0500 (CDT)

Hi, ¿where in Guadalajara did Adolfo Oñate was living at that time, do you have an address or at least a street name? Because I have relatives Oñate in Guadalajara, decendants to Marcial Oñate, cousin to my ggfather Francisco Oñate Solis, maybe in that matter is a path to follow.
AliceBB escribió: Hi Esther, Agustina and Luis Onate never left Mexico. Adolfo Onate was here for a while, but returned to Mexico, where I met him in Guadalajara, Jalisco 40 years ago. I'm new to this and have never requested SS records. Don't you need to show some sort of direct/legal connection for that? I know nothing about him or anyone else, except for names. Thanks for the suggestions. Possible Prima, Alice

--- eaherold@att.net wrote:

From: eaherold@att.net
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 02:00:27 +0000

Did Luis or his siblings ever collect social security? If they did then you can request their social security application which might have their place of birth recorded and date of birth. Same with Augustina and her siblings.

--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from AliceBB : --------------

> Esther, Sorry, but the only data I have is for Agustina Santelice's parents'
> marriage in Panuco 1882. Unfortunately, I don't have any info on Agustina's
> marriage to Luis Onate. That's the problem, Esther. I have no dates or firm
> locations of births, etc. I did find Luis Onate's brother Adolfo's WWI Draft
> registration that states his birth as Sept 27, 1896 in Villa Garcia, Zac. I
> will order Vault Film 1089262 that contains nacimientos of that date. I know
> their father's name: Rosalio Onate, but not my ggrandmother's name at all.
> Hopefully, I'll find Luis and Adolfo's parents and grandparents' names on the
> film. Wish me luck and thanks so much for your interest. I need all the help I
> can get. Alice B. Blake
>
> --- eaherold@att.net wrote:
>
> From: eaherold@att.net
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los O���ate de Alice
> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 04:58:43 +0000
>
> Alice,
>
> I will call you cousin for I have Onate ancestry also. My Onate heritage dates
> back to the colonization of Zacatecas and Oaxaca of New Mexico.
>
> You found the marriage of Agustina Santelices and Luis Onate. That is a good
> begining. I am willing to help you research the Onates. So far I have been
> lucky in my own research. I am kind of curious if you go back to Juan or
> Cristobal Onate as I do. I will need the date of Agustina and Luis' marriage and
> the place and the church. I also need to know where and when the other children
> of the marriage were born. Did you read the documents in their entriety?
>
> Let me know what you think.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from Leticia Leon :
> --------------
>
>
> > thanks for your answer.
> >
> > I���ll be asking to my father, over and over until I squeez his brain as I am
> > used to do. He���ll be 84 on oct, some times I brake adobe walls with this
> > technique! He could remember something, I almost hear the whispering spirits
> > around, if I were a dog my ears would be pointing up. If any news, be sure
> I���ll
> > tell.
> >
> >
> > AliceBB escribi���:
> > Hi Leticia, My mother's maiden name was Enedina Onate; she grew up believing
> > she was born in Aguascalientes, Aguas. May 14, 1915. Her parents were Luis
> Onate
> > and Agustina Santelices, who separated, and therein lies the rub. My mother
> was
> > estranged from the Onates all her life and when she sought them out about 40
> > years ago, she found an aunt Leonarda Onate in Aguas.,Aguas. who in turn took
> us
> > to meet an uncle Adolfo Onate in Guadalajara, Jalisco. They told us of another
> > sister Maria Onate in the US. who married a first cousin Eduardo Onate! I was
> > with Mom on this trip, and Tia Leonarda took us to a church where her
> father/my
> > ggrandfather Rosalio de Onate was a benefactor, and is entombed.
> Unfortunately,
> > I was about 12 at the time, and while I remember the white marble tomb, I
> wasn't
> > much interested. It was on that trip that Tia Leonarda and Uncle Adolfo
> informed
> > my mother that she was actually born in Villa Garcia, Zac. GGrandfather
> Rosalio
> > and ggrandmother Petra
> > Candelas/or Candelario supposedly had a tobacco hacienda that was lost in the
> > revolution. After all that effort, my mother never kept up correspondence with
> > the Onate's. To date, the only family info I have been able to verify through
> > FHC records, is the marriage of my grandmother Agustina Santelices' parents:
> > ggrandmother Maria Valderramas to ggrandfather Francisco Santelices in
> > Panuco,Zac. on April 20. 1882, although it states they were from Vetagrande,
> > Zac. That entry states no children, when they actually had two daugthers. And
> > that's about it. My Onates are NOWHERE to be found and that FHC entry is the
> > only mention of a Santelices. It's been a brick wall ever since! There are
> lots
> > of Valderramas and Candelas, but until I find a link, I don't know which ones
> to
> > follow. Thanks so much, Alice B. Blake
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexi���n a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100
> > al mes. http://net.yahoo.com.mx
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >
> > To post, send email to:
> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >
> > To change your subscription, log on to:
> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>