Esther, Sofía, Jaime, George et al

Last Friday I visited the Dallas Public Library in order to check out the book "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara, Tomo I" by Guillermo Garmendia Leal. While looking for the Treviño connection, I found another book entitled "Origin of the Surnames Garza and Treviño in Nuevo León", by Tomás Mendirichaga Cueva. What they have is a translation the English language made by Edna G. Brown (Corpus Christi, Texas, 1989). I did not find this to be a good translation and will start looking for the original Spanish version. Notwithstanding, I discovered in that book that church records were indeed kept in Mexico City prior to 1575. Mr. Mendirichaga mentions the following three books:

1) Primer Libro de Bautismos de Españoles (Nov. 1536 - Oct. 1547)
2) Segundo Libro de Bautismos de Españoles (1552 - 1669)
3) Tercer Libro de Bautismos de Españoles (Ene. 1570 - Nov. 1589)

Some of the baptisms from the first book (Nov 1536 - Oct 1547) are as follows:

1) "Pedro, son of Juan de Salamanca and Doña Beatriz "his wife", was baptized February 1, 1543 and Pedro de Pacheco and Doña Ana de Timiño "were godparents". (Folio 113 verso)."

My comment: The godparents of Pedro de Salamanca were undoubtly Pedro Pacho Rodríguez (Conquistador) and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos. I am beginning to think that the surname Pacho, used interchangeably with Pacheco, was an abbreviation taken at face value. For example, the surname Rodriguez appears in early records abbreviated as Rdz, but we don't call Juan Rodriguez "Juan Rdz". Just a thought. They were big on abbreviation in the 16th and 17th centuries. Anyway, I'm changing Pedro Pacho to Pedro Pacheco in my records.

2) "Mariana, daughter of Pedro de Pacheco and Doña Ana "his wife", baptized Wednesday, August 29, 1549. (Folio 124)."

My comment: This Mariana is the daughter of Pedro Pacheco Rodríguez and Mariana Temiño de Bañuelos. The "Diccionario Autobiografico de Conquistadores y Pobladores de Nueva España" sacado de los textos originales por Francisco A. de Icaza, lists the following information:

"554.- Pedro PACHO, muerto, dize:

En efecto, quez vezino desta ciudad y natural de la villa de Fregenal, e hijo legítimo de Pedro Pacho y de Beatriz rrodríguez, vezinos que fueron de Seuilla, y que ha treze años que pasó a esta Nueua Spaña, y a la contina después acá ha rresidido en ella, e tenydo armas e cauallos, e que ha seys años que se casó con Doña Ana de Velasco de Temyño, e que su magestad fue seruido mandar que a la persona que con ella se casase, se le hiziese merced en qualquier aprouechamyento de la tierra, y tiene tres hijas que la mayor ha çinco años, y que siruió en la pacificaçión de Jalisco con Vuestra Señoría Illustrísima, desde el prinçipio hasta el fin de todo, y sienpre se le ha hecho merced de corregimyentos."

3) "Fernando, son of Juan de Salamanca and "of doña beatriz his wife", was baptized April 7, 1545. (Folio 147 verso)."

4) "Bernardina, daughter of Pedro Pacheco and Doña Ana de Tremiño, was baptized August 26, 1545. (Folio 157 verso)."

5) "Juan, son of Juan de Salamanca and Doña Beatriz de Temiño, was baptized March 13, 1547. (Folio 157 verso)."

Also in the first book of baptisms appears one Treviño:

6) "Melchor, son of Miguel Treviño and Juana Cortés, baptized June of 1542 (Folio 100)."

In the second book appear the surnames Tremiños and Treviños:

7) "Lázaro, son of Pedro Fernández de Jerez and Catalina Treviño, baptized April 8, 1560 (Folio 123 verso)."

8) "Isabel, daughter of Diego de Tremiño and Beatriz de Quintanilla, baptized November 12, 1562. (Folio 169)."

9) "José, son of Diego Tremiño and Beatriz de Quintanilla, was baptized March 22, 1565. (Folio 218)."

And in the third book (Jan 1570 - Nov 1589), more Temiños, Tremiños and Treviños:

10) "Pedro, son of Juan Treviño, "Bookseller", and María Vanegas "his wife", was baptized November 1, 1574. (Folio 96)."

11) "Juana, daughter of Diego de Angulo and Doña Ana de Temiño, his wife, baptized July 5, 1575. (Folio 108 verso)."

12) "Luisa, daughter of Diego de Angulo and Doña Ana de Temiño, was baptized June 24, 1576. (Folio 124 verso)."

13) "Ana, daughter of Juan de Tremiño and María Vanegas, baptized January 6, 1577. (Folios 136 and 150)."

14) "Mariana (On the margin of the record it says María Ana), daughter of Diego de Angulo and Doña Ana Tremiño, baptized June 16, 1577. (Folio 140)."

Apparently, some assumptions, right or wrong, were made based on these early records and the passenger lists at the Archivo General de Indias in Seville. It seems to me that the surname Treviño was often misspelled Tremiño, as is the case in 10) and 13) above. I have not checked the LDS index to see if these early books were microfilmed. I would like to see them. Does anyone in the group have done any research on this?

Bill Figueroa

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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DIEGO TEMINO DE VELASCO

Hi Bill, Jaime, and Sofia,

I still believe Temino and Trevino are the same surname. Diego and his family were listed in the cesus in Guadalajara as Temino. Listed that way in the "Fundadores de Nueva Galicia, Guadalajara Tomo I" by Garmendia Leal who did extractions from the archives. I also believe that Temino can also be used a location as in Lenor de Temino, Lenor from Temino.
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Esther A. Herold

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Hi Esther, Sofia and Bill,

I have followed with interest the exchange about Diego Temino de Velasco and relatives, particularly since mi maternal line (Nuevo Leon and Coahuila) descends directly from Diego Treviño and Beatriz Quintanilla. Based on the evidence presented so far, I am inclined to think that Diego Treviño (perhaps the same as the Diego Velazco de Treviño who travelled in 1538 with his mother Francisca Alcocer and brothers Alonso de Velazco and Baltazar Velazco -all listed as sons of Velazco Treviño) is NOT the son of the Alcalde Diego Temiño de Velasco married to another Francisca Alcocer -daughter of Hernando Bañuelos and Isabel Alcocer. This second Francisca is recorded as traveling along with her three maiden daughters in company of Lope Saavedra (aka Lopez de Sayavedra in the Inquisitional
papers) with no mention of any sons. Further, I agree with Bill's interpretation that Temiño and Treviño are not the same surnames. In some document of Nuevo Leon however, Treviño y sometimes spelled as Tremiño (m instead of v, but always with an r after T), although this usage eventually stopped.

Finally, regarding the connection of Diego Temiño de Velasco to Don Bernardino Fernandez de Velasco, I can't find no convincing evidence to support it.

Sincerely

Jaime

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From: eaherold@att.net
The earliest marriage film I see for Mexico City is 1575. That is not early enough for us. I would like to see Seville marriage records for Diego and Francisca Alcocer. Anybody going to Spain soon?
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Esther A. Herold