Non-Member Seeks Professional Researcher

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Subject: Re: Responses to your question
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:31:37 -0800
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To: Joseph Puentes
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Hi,
My distant uncle, Dimas Marquez, told me that Pedro Marquez, who wrote
the book "La Historia de San Juan de los Lagos" told him that Diego
Marquez came from Sauz de los Marquez. Now, Pedro never told Dimas about
Jusepe Marquez who got married in 1614 in Santa Maria de los Lagos (now
Lagos de Moreno). So, I don't know how Pedro found that information but
he mistook Diego M. of 1617, son of Jusepe M., for Diego M. of the
1500's. Dimas told me that he had never heard of Jusepe M. Pedro statrs
his book just after the miracle of 1623. Diego M., son of Jusepe M.,
helped build the first church in San Juan after the miracle.
I need someone who can help me prove that Jusepe M. is the son of Diego
Marquez de los Olivos who entered San Juan in the 1580's.
Chuck M.

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Here is more information by that person looking for a professional
researcher. His email is below. If you think you can work with him or
know of someone that might be able to help him please contact him
directly. I and Carol Muro in the group both have roots to Sauz de Los
Marquez but not in the time frame he is talking about below. It seems if
the information is correct that Sauz de Los Marquez is a pretty old
community.

It is not mandatory but my curiosity would like to stay in the loop if
anyone finds more information.

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com/ (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)

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Subject: Re: Responses to your question
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:54:29 -0800
From:
To: Joseph Puentes
References: <49174F31.9090406@nc.rr.com>

Dear Joseph,
I am very glad you responded to my need for a professional researcher.
First, I hired George Ryscamp 20 or so years ago. He connected me to Ophelia
Marquez, a distant cousin, who has worked closely with "Somos Primos".
Ophelia and I have been researching our tree for 20 years and have gone back
to Diego Marquez who was identified as entering the town of San Juan de los
Lagos between 1584 and 1599 by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Guteierrez in his book
"Los Gutierrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlan. Los Origines" published
in 1997 in Gudalajara. He lists "Amigos de la Historia de Altos de Jalisco"
as one of the credits for his information. I believe he is on the staff at
the University of Aguascalientes. I also gave my tree to Mariano Gonzalez
Leal for his book "Retornos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia. Here is what I
know:
Diego Marquez de los Olivos entered San Juan de los Lagos in the late
1500's. According to Pedro Marquez, who wrote "La Historia de San Juan de
los Lagos", Diego Marquez de los Olivos came from Sauz de los Marquez.
Jusepe Marquez was married on the 28 of April 1614 in Santa Maria de los
Lagos, now Lagos de Moreno, to Maria Martin del Campo y Lopez de la Cruz,
according to Gonzalo Torres Martinez in his book "Los Torres de Jaen en
Mexico". I believe Jusepe is the son of Diego Marquez de los Olivos even
though the marriage certificate says that his parents were "difuntos". In a
dispensa in the 1700's the family is identified as Marquez de los Olivos.
And Mariano Gonzalez Leal says that the original inhabitants of Altos de
Jalisco were Marquez de los Olivos.
Getting back to Diego Marquez de los Olivos of the 1500's, Phillip Wayne
Powell who wrote "Soldiers, Indians, and Silver" wrote that between 1560 and
1570, "Alli murieron algunos espanoles (uno llamado don Torquemada y cierto
Marquez y su hermano Cristobal)." Note # 8, page 256. This happened in San
Martin, a silver mining area north of Zacatecas.
The Archives of Seville wrote me that 3 Marquez brothers imigrated to New
Spain in 1537, 1554, and 1555. They were Jeronimo, Cristobal de Solis, and
Diego Marquez respectively. Mr. Powell left alll his notes from the book in
the Archives in San Luis Potosi.
This is all I have, all the data is sequential and all makes sense
chronogically and geographically. I need someone who can help me "prove" my
line. I would also like to know more about Sauz de los Marquez.
Sincerely,
Chuck Marquez de los Olivos

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: jmar06@peoplepc.com
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: Responses to your question

I'll forward your info to the group to see if anyone has further
ideas. My Marquez and other relatives lived and possibly still live in
Sauz de Los Marquez. I'd be interested to know how Mr. Pedro Marquez
knows that Diego Marquez comes from Sauz de Los Marquez.

joseph

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jmar06@peoplepc.com wrote:
> Dear Joseph,
> I am very glad you responded to my need for a professional
researcher.
> First, I hired George Ryscamp 20 or so years ago. He connected me
to Ophelia
> Marquez, a distant cousin, who has worked closely with "Somos
Primos".
> Ophelia and I have been researching our tree for 20 years and
have gone back
> to Diego Marquez who was identified as entering the town of San
Juan de los
> Lagos between 1584 and 1599 by Jose Antonio Gutierrez Guteierrez
in his book
> "Los Gutierrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlan. Los Origines"
published
> in 1997 in Gudalajara. He lists "Amigos de la Historia de Altos
de Jalisco"
> as one of the credits for his information. I believe he is on the
staff at
> the University of Aguascalientes. I also gave my tree to Mariano
Gonzalez
> Leal for his book "Retornos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia. Here
is what I
> know:
> Diego Marquez de los Olivos entered San Juan de los Lagos in the late
> 1500's. According to Pedro Marquez, who wrote "La Historia de San
Juan de
> los Lagos", Diego Marquez de los Olivos came from Sauz de los
Marquez.
> Jusepe Marquez was married on the 28 of April 1614 in Santa Maria
de los
> Lagos, now Lagos de Moreno, to Maria Martin del Campo y Lopez de
la Cruz,
> according to Gonzalo Torres Martinez in his book "Los Torres de
Jaen en
> Mexico". I believe Jusepe is the son of Diego Marquez de los
Olivos even
> though the marriage certificate says that his parents were
"difuntos". In a
> dispensa in the 1700's the family is identified as Marquez de los
Olivos.
> And Mariano Gonzalez Leal says that the original inhabitants of
Altos de
> Jalisco were Marquez de los Olivos.
> Getting back to Diego Marquez de los Olivos of the 1500's,
Phillip Wayne
> Powell who wrote "Soldiers, Indians, and Silver" wrote that
between 1560 and
> 1570, "Alli murieron algunos espanoles (uno llamado don
Torquemada y cierto
> Marquez y su hermano Cristobal)." Note # 8, page 256. This
happened in San
> Martin, a silver mining area north of Zacatecas.
> The Archives of Seville wrote me that 3 Marquez brothers
imigrated to New
> Spain in 1537, 1554, and 1555. They were Jeronimo, Cristobal de
Solis, and
> Diego Marquez respectively. Mr. Powell left alll his notes from
the book in
> the Archives in San Luis Potosi.
> This is all I have, all the data is sequential and all makes sense
> chronogically and geographically. I need someone who can help me
"prove" my
> line. I would also like to know more about Sauz de los Marquez.
> Sincerely,
> Chuck Marquez de los Olivos