Could any one tell me if a town named Atoyop existed in Jalisco in the 1940's.? It does not seem to exist now.? I am in need of church records from that area.

Tracey

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Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:31:56 -0700
From: "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net>
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Families in Lagos
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Hi Steph:

I don't have the list of the founding families but I did find some
information about Lagos de Moreno:

Quoting from the book: "Historia de Teocaltiche, Pueblo de La Region
Caxcana, Nueva Galicia" written by Nicolas de Anda Sanchez.

..."Don Hernando de Martel, natural de Sevilla e hijo de Juan Escobar y
Beatriz Gallegos, vecinos de dicha ciudad, y padre de Hernando Gallegos,
siendo Alcalde Mayor y Capitan de su Magestad, del pueblo de Teucaltiche y
su provincia, fund? el 31 de Marzo de 1563 con 73 vecinas de este lugar, la
Villa de Santa Maria de Los Lagos, con licencia de la Real Audiencia antes
que hubiera en ella regimiento y sello. En el momento de la fundacion habia
26 vecinos, casados y solteros. Para 1584, Lagos tenia solo 14 vecinos
casados".

It might not be a bad idea to look in Teocaltiche since the founders came
from there.

Good luck.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.

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> Hello-
>
> Does anyone have a list of the first fammilies which settled in Lagos de
> Moren with the help of Hern?n Gallegos? I have heard sources say 63 or 73
> families and wanted to know if anyone had a definite list or the resource
> of the actual grant for the villa.
> I have a common ancestor as many of us here do of Polonia Torres who was
> allegedly bor n abt. 1569 in Lagos de Moreno and the town was founded in
> 1563 so it would stand to reason that she it most likely a child of the
> original families.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Miri12

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Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:53:49 -0700
From: "Ricci, Richard"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Descendientes de Andras II
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He is an ancestor of diego villasenor tovar.
" " Isabel Ramirez Arellano.
" "

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Daniel Briones
Sent: Wed 5/27/2009 5:03 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Descendientes de Andras II

Yo tengo descendencia de Catalina Camarena de Valencia,Espana. Sabes
si los Camarenas son parientes de el?

Gracias,

Daniel Briones

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On May 28, 2009, at 1:11 PM, "John Gonzalez" <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:

> Hi Ricci:
>
> Nos podrias decir cuales de las primeras familias de Los Altos
> descienden de Masodik Endre?.
>
>
> John Gonzalez
> Wildomar, CA.
>
> Tambien he aprendido mas sobre los principios de democracia. Yo ya
> sabia de nuestro ancestor John Lackland y la Magna Carta pero
> aprendi de
la "Magna carta de hungaria" el Golden Bull de 1222
> cuando en mis estudios de nuestro ancestor Masodik Endre, King of
> Hungary (Andras II), El principio de la caida de poder de los reyes
> y el principio de los derechos y poder de la gente empeso Con el
> Golden Bull 1222.
> En la escuela no mas aprendi de la magna carta cuando en realidad la
> carta del Golden Bull es mejor escrita y trajo mas cambios. Masodik
> Endre, Rey de Hungaria es ancestor de la mayoria de la gente de los
> altos de Jalisco porque de el descienden varias de las primeras
> familias de la region de los altos.
>
>