I don't see a name on this posting, who are you and what family lines are you researching in Jerez?
I went to Jerez in 2003, I found it almost impossible to get records, they were understaffed and had no copy machine at the church or the civil office. I actually found the records on familysearch and not in Jerez. I did get to see and visit the places the records taught me abt and enjoyed every minute of the trip. I took a small notebook because I found lots of family names but could not connect them because I did not have my laptop with me. I did take photo's I had collected and was able to give them to people from those families. I took notes every day because it's impossible to remember everything. We found the bus systems to be wonderful. We flew into Guadalajara and traveled by bus to the different towns in Jalisco where my Mothers family were from, Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman then on to Tamazula and then to Zacatecas City and then on to Jerez with visits to some smaller cities like El Durazno where my Castanon/Caldera family is
from.
You will love every minute of your trip but remember it's a different country with different traditions and customs.
I think you make a good point. It is important to remember that a lot of
these places do not have the modern conveniences that we take for granted -
like copy machines - in addition the condition of many of these older church
books was bad in the 50's and 60's when the Mormons filmed them - I can only
imagine that they are even worse now.
Recently my mother returned to Mexico after a thirty year absence and she
had to get her ID - when she went to get a copy of her civil registration
they found that the book was in such bad shape they could not get any
information out of it, and she was born in 1935 - which is relatively
recently when compared to some of the records most of us are interested in.
I'm not saying that it is a waste of time to go ... Just to have realistic
expectations. As a matter of fact, I have the opportunity to go to Mexico
with my mother in January so I'll be visiting some of the places you
mentioned ... Guadalajara, Tamazula, Zapotlan el Grande, and on into Colima
where my father is buried. I'm glad you mentioned that you missed your
laptop - I was debating on whether or not to take it - it's going with me
now!
One other thing I forgot to mention, if you are depending on other people for transportation to see places of interest to you be prepared for them not wanting to go there. I found that a problem when I wanted to visit museums and cemeteries, they did not want to go and couldn't understand my interest in them! I found while we were in El Durazno, Jerez the phone service is terrible so few people in a rancho of at least 200 homes only a handful had telephones that sometimes worked. Also no one is in a hurry so scale down what you may want to accomplish in a day, we had too or be upset way too often.
We were there during Easter and it was a mistake since so many things are closed or not available for 3 days. The religious services were beautiful but most things including restaurants were closed. We were in Guadalajara during Easter and stayed at the la Mendoza hotel right next door to an older church that was closed for Easter since the larger cathedral was open!
When we were in Zacatecas City we hired a cab and for a specific price he agreed to take us and wait for us to go to La Bufa. Always get an agreed price for a cab before you get in! They expect it and if you are in a motel or hotel they will give you an approximate amount that's fair to you and the driver, they can also be hired for the day for a reasonable fee.
Also, if at all possible let family or people know you are coming. Mexicans are the most gracious and giving people and if they are related to you in any way they will come and meet you with stories you might not hear otherwise abt people who may only be names to you. If you have photo's take copies to give them, they will appreciate it. From Jerez I had one of a 10 year old boy (Florentino Morillo) with my gr-grandparents and found his grandchildren who told me he had been killed by lightening while working his field, they were very happy to have the photo of him as a child. Also it was the only know photo of the gr-grandparents (Filomeno Sanchez and Nicolasa Reveles) we shared.
In Tamazula I had a photo of 2 young men (Rafael and Efren Mendez) and found Rafael who said I had the wrong family. I showed them the photo's I had taken of family members from my grandmother (Rafaela Mendez Villanueva) album and they asked for a copy of him since they said their children had not seen a photo of him as a young man. In exchange they let me photograph a picture of his fathers death scene someone had done a charcoal drawing of. The important thing was it contained the wife and his father giving me an idea of the clothing styles and what they looked like, it's posted in the album section. Rafael said he was the child in his mothers arms.
I also learned another Mexican tradition.. if they ask you to stay and eat once they being polite.. if they ask you a second time then they would like you to stay.. do not accept on the first invitation since you may be putting them in a bad situation.. just one of the lessons I learned! Another was to dress appropriately, it does matter in Mexico.
enjoy your trip to the Motherland...
Linda in B.C.
--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Angelina Markle wrote:
From: Angelina Markle
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:13 AM
Linda,
I think you make a good point. It is important to remember that a lot of
these places do not have the modern conveniences that we take for granted -
like copy machines - in addition the condition of many of these older church
books was bad in the 50's and 60's when the Mormons filmed them - I can only
imagine that they are even worse now.
Recently my mother returned to Mexico after a thirty year absence and she
had to get her ID - when she went to get a copy of her civil registration
they found that the book was in such bad shape they could not get any
information out of it, and she was born in 1935 - which is relatively
recently when compared to some of the records most of us are interested in.
I'm not saying that it is a waste of time to go ... Just to have realistic
expectations. As a matter of fact, I have the opportunity to go to Mexico
with my mother in January so I'll be visiting some of the places you
mentioned ... Guadalajara, Tamazula, Zapotlan el Grande, and on into Colima
where my father is buried. I'm glad you mentioned that you missed your
laptop - I was debating on whether or not to take it - it's going with me
now!
Hi Joseph, I took my first trip to los pueblos de Zacatecas and Jalisco this summer...all I can say is: be prepared to fall in love.
I did a whirlwind two-weeks by flying into Zacatecas City, drove down to Guadalajara-- stopping by at Villanueva ( after tour of the ruins at la Quemada), Tabasco, Jalpa, Apozol, Juchipila, Moyahua, etc. and detoured through into the sierras Nochistlan/Morrones, which were beautiful. I made way and stopped into the other pueblos on both the east and west sides of the main road #54, visiting Mezquital del Oro, Teul, Tepechitlan, Tlaltenango, back down through to Tepatitlan, Jalostotitlan, Nochistlan, Teocaltiche and Yahulica.
I know that I took a huge risk by going alone, but I am glad that I did it. I rented a car in Zacatecas airport and drove four hours to meet up with some relatives, but drove back the four hours again to catch my flight back home. You will be just fine; I found the roads and pueblos to be safe and for the most part--everyone there is helpful and courteous. If you don't speak Spanish--I suggest you take a phrase book with you, as you will be hard-pressed to find English-speaking people in the smaller towns.
Here are my recommendations:
GENERAL:
Take a map, I didn't use GPS and found that my Guia Roji was just fine for the trip. The roads down there aren't as numerous as what we have in US. You'll find that there is usually one main road that leads from town-to-town, so getting lost is not that easy.
ELECTRICAL:
If you bring anything with a three-prong cable plug, such as a battery charger or other, bring an electrical adapter. Most small hotels only use the two-prong outlets (this was my experience in the city, so more than likely, your relatives homes aren't fitted with three-prongs).
DRIVING:
Be prepared to deal with aggressive drivers. People there drive fast - and in my two weeks there, I didn't see one highway patrolman. Police is usually found only inside the towns. I found that just getting out of their way and letting the impatient drivers pass is safest. I wouldn't drive at night because there are many animals (cows, goats, etc.) that wander onto the road and most accidents occur at night. It is pitch black at night as there are no street lights on the roads outside the pueblos.
MONEY:
No need to change money at the airport (except for transportation to hotel). Just visit a bank or "casa de cambio" in the city or main town - you'll get better rates. I used the ATM in the city at a Santander bank, and in Los Altos, there are exchange houses in almost every other block in the larger towns. Better to have MEX pesos when you arrive into the smaller pueblos, though, as many are not equipped to exchange USD. Don't carry large bills--even if they are MEX. Smaller change will be easier and you will avoid the "no tengo cambio" trick. Some stores or restaurants will say they don't have change for your larger bill in hopes that you will leave the large sum as payment. I carried denominations no larger than 50MEX.
BEGGARS:
The people in these towns are very hard-working, and upright. I found that most of the citizens are willing to work for their money. You will find many poorer folks selling their crafts or foodstuffs to earn a living, a very small number of them beg for free money. That being said, it's good to plan ahead and carry change for the ones you want to help. In my experience, 95% of the beggars were elderly women sitting outside the churches with their hands out for something; too old or sick to work. Of course, if you are in a high-tourist area, you'll see the kids begging as well. But in the pueblos/ranchos--I saw nothing but hard-working folk.
JEREZ, ZACATECAS:
In JEREZ- which is LOVELY, your first stop should be the tourism kiosk in the main garden plaza. They have maps in English and Spanish that point out the historical buildings and places of interest. Many are within about a 5 block radius so walking is best for taking in the sights. No need for taxi either, I took the public transportation (camiones) for a few cents per ride. Take the green or blue line which drives throughout the downtown area and see the town. This is the best way to see the central as well as the residential neighborhoods. The cemetery is only about three blocks from the main church, just ask anyone for directions; there is a museum next door to the cemetery also. For a good meal, I recommend the restaurant JUANA GALLO, which has the best regional dish, the "guizado de boda," I guarantee you will enjoy it.
If you are in Zacatecas City first, I would suggest you take the camion (bus) to Jerez. It costs only about $4.00USD and you'll get to ride with the locals. You can take a taxi from main city to the "central camionera" (bus depot) and pay at the desk. Buses run about every 20-30 minutes. The ride into Jerez is about 90 minutes. From the main bus depot in Jerez, you can take the blue or green line bus which goes to the plaza. Do the same for the return into the city; this is what I did. You should be able to take in all the sights in one day or less.
Feel free to PM me if you want more pointers.
You say you are going for Easter? I hear Jerez has the largest "charreadas" on Easter week. Have a great time!
Hello - I did the same thing 5 years ago and I took my mom with me. What a wonderful trip it was. We went to Ayo El Chico and Atotonilco El Alto. Prior to that my mom had never been to Mexico as she was born in Anaheim California.
1. Take a video camera and videotape the towns and churches you are researching.
2. Take a camera also so you can take plenty of photos.
3. If you are driving yourself and if you can, use GPS. You could also use a Guia Roji
4. Take copies of your records with you for reference.
Other people might have ideas that I haven't mentioned.
Good Luck and have a great trip!
Yolanda
How silly of me not to recognize your e-mail.. Us older folks don't always remember so just a reminder to all to please sign your messages so we know who we are talking too. Wonder if any of the Banuelos family is still in Huejucar that connects you to my Aunt Virg? Take lots of photos for reference work..
Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
I don't see a name on this posting, who are you and what family lines are you researching in Jerez?
I went to Jerez in 2003, I found it almost impossible to get records, they were understaffed and had no copy machine at the church or the civil office. I actually found the records on familysearch and not in Jerez. I did get to see and visit the places the records taught me abt and enjoyed every minute of the trip. I took a small notebook because I found lots of family names but could not connect them because I did not have my laptop with me. I did take photo's I had collected and was able to give them to people from those families. I took notes every day because it's impossible to remember everything. We found the bus systems to be wonderful. We flew into Guadalajara and traveled by bus to the different towns in Jalisco where my Mothers family were from, Zapotlan el Grande/Ciudad Gusman then on to Tamazula and then to Zacatecas City and then on to Jerez with visits to some smaller cities like El Durazno where my Castanon/Caldera family is
from.
You will love every minute of your trip but remember it's a different country with different traditions and customs.
Linda in B.C.
--- On Sat, 10/3/09, jcdl1944@hotmail.com wrote:
From: jcdl1944@hotmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 8:41 PM
In the spring 2010 (after Easter) I'm going to my ancestors' birthland. Does anyone have any suggestions as to a good way to plan this?
Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
Linda,
I think you make a good point. It is important to remember that a lot of
these places do not have the modern conveniences that we take for granted -
like copy machines - in addition the condition of many of these older church
books was bad in the 50's and 60's when the Mormons filmed them - I can only
imagine that they are even worse now.
Recently my mother returned to Mexico after a thirty year absence and she
had to get her ID - when she went to get a copy of her civil registration
they found that the book was in such bad shape they could not get any
information out of it, and she was born in 1935 - which is relatively
recently when compared to some of the records most of us are interested in.
I'm not saying that it is a waste of time to go ... Just to have realistic
expectations. As a matter of fact, I have the opportunity to go to Mexico
with my mother in January so I'll be visiting some of the places you
mentioned ... Guadalajara, Tamazula, Zapotlan el Grande, and on into Colima
where my father is buried. I'm glad you mentioned that you missed your
laptop - I was debating on whether or not to take it - it's going with me
now!
-Angelina-
Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
One other thing I forgot to mention, if you are depending on other people for transportation to see places of interest to you be prepared for them not wanting to go there. I found that a problem when I wanted to visit museums and cemeteries, they did not want to go and couldn't understand my interest in them! I found while we were in El Durazno, Jerez the phone service is terrible so few people in a rancho of at least 200 homes only a handful had telephones that sometimes worked. Also no one is in a hurry so scale down what you may want to accomplish in a day, we had too or be upset way too often.
We were there during Easter and it was a mistake since so many things are closed or not available for 3 days. The religious services were beautiful but most things including restaurants were closed. We were in Guadalajara during Easter and stayed at the la Mendoza hotel right next door to an older church that was closed for Easter since the larger cathedral was open!
When we were in Zacatecas City we hired a cab and for a specific price he agreed to take us and wait for us to go to La Bufa. Always get an agreed price for a cab before you get in! They expect it and if you are in a motel or hotel they will give you an approximate amount that's fair to you and the driver, they can also be hired for the day for a reasonable fee.
Also, if at all possible let family or people know you are coming. Mexicans are the most gracious and giving people and if they are related to you in any way they will come and meet you with stories you might not hear otherwise abt people who may only be names to you. If you have photo's take copies to give them, they will appreciate it. From Jerez I had one of a 10 year old boy (Florentino Morillo) with my gr-grandparents and found his grandchildren who told me he had been killed by lightening while working his field, they were very happy to have the photo of him as a child. Also it was the only know photo of the gr-grandparents (Filomeno Sanchez and Nicolasa Reveles) we shared.
In Tamazula I had a photo of 2 young men (Rafael and Efren Mendez) and found Rafael who said I had the wrong family. I showed them the photo's I had taken of family members from my grandmother (Rafaela Mendez Villanueva) album and they asked for a copy of him since they said their children had not seen a photo of him as a young man. In exchange they let me photograph a picture of his fathers death scene someone had done a charcoal drawing of. The important thing was it contained the wife and his father giving me an idea of the clothing styles and what they looked like, it's posted in the album section. Rafael said he was the child in his mothers arms.
I also learned another Mexican tradition.. if they ask you to stay and eat once they being polite.. if they ask you a second time then they would like you to stay.. do not accept on the first invitation since you may be putting them in a bad situation.. just one of the lessons I learned! Another was to dress appropriately, it does matter in Mexico.
enjoy your trip to the Motherland...
Linda in B.C.
--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Angelina Markle wrote:
From: Angelina Markle
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:13 AM
Linda,
I think you make a good point. It is important to remember that a lot of
these places do not have the modern conveniences that we take for granted -
like copy machines - in addition the condition of many of these older church
books was bad in the 50's and 60's when the Mormons filmed them - I can only
imagine that they are even worse now.
Recently my mother returned to Mexico after a thirty year absence and she
had to get her ID - when she went to get a copy of her civil registration
they found that the book was in such bad shape they could not get any
information out of it, and she was born in 1935 - which is relatively
recently when compared to some of the records most of us are interested in.
I'm not saying that it is a waste of time to go ... Just to have realistic
expectations. As a matter of fact, I have the opportunity to go to Mexico
with my mother in January so I'll be visiting some of the places you
mentioned ... Guadalajara, Tamazula, Zapotlan el Grande, and on into Colima
where my father is buried. I'm glad you mentioned that you missed your
laptop - I was debating on whether or not to take it - it's going with me
now!
-Angelina-
My suggestions for trip to Zacatecas/Jerez
Hi Joseph, I took my first trip to los pueblos de Zacatecas and Jalisco this summer...all I can say is: be prepared to fall in love.
I did a whirlwind two-weeks by flying into Zacatecas City, drove down to Guadalajara-- stopping by at Villanueva ( after tour of the ruins at la Quemada), Tabasco, Jalpa, Apozol, Juchipila, Moyahua, etc. and detoured through into the sierras Nochistlan/Morrones, which were beautiful. I made way and stopped into the other pueblos on both the east and west sides of the main road #54, visiting Mezquital del Oro, Teul, Tepechitlan, Tlaltenango, back down through to Tepatitlan, Jalostotitlan, Nochistlan, Teocaltiche and Yahulica.
I know that I took a huge risk by going alone, but I am glad that I did it. I rented a car in Zacatecas airport and drove four hours to meet up with some relatives, but drove back the four hours again to catch my flight back home. You will be just fine; I found the roads and pueblos to be safe and for the most part--everyone there is helpful and courteous. If you don't speak Spanish--I suggest you take a phrase book with you, as you will be hard-pressed to find English-speaking people in the smaller towns.
Here are my recommendations:
GENERAL:
Take a map, I didn't use GPS and found that my Guia Roji was just fine for the trip. The roads down there aren't as numerous as what we have in US. You'll find that there is usually one main road that leads from town-to-town, so getting lost is not that easy.
ELECTRICAL:
If you bring anything with a three-prong cable plug, such as a battery charger or other, bring an electrical adapter. Most small hotels only use the two-prong outlets (this was my experience in the city, so more than likely, your relatives homes aren't fitted with three-prongs).
DRIVING:
Be prepared to deal with aggressive drivers. People there drive fast - and in my two weeks there, I didn't see one highway patrolman. Police is usually found only inside the towns. I found that just getting out of their way and letting the impatient drivers pass is safest. I wouldn't drive at night because there are many animals (cows, goats, etc.) that wander onto the road and most accidents occur at night. It is pitch black at night as there are no street lights on the roads outside the pueblos.
MONEY:
No need to change money at the airport (except for transportation to hotel). Just visit a bank or "casa de cambio" in the city or main town - you'll get better rates. I used the ATM in the city at a Santander bank, and in Los Altos, there are exchange houses in almost every other block in the larger towns. Better to have MEX pesos when you arrive into the smaller pueblos, though, as many are not equipped to exchange USD. Don't carry large bills--even if they are MEX. Smaller change will be easier and you will avoid the "no tengo cambio" trick. Some stores or restaurants will say they don't have change for your larger bill in hopes that you will leave the large sum as payment. I carried denominations no larger than 50MEX.
BEGGARS:
The people in these towns are very hard-working, and upright. I found that most of the citizens are willing to work for their money. You will find many poorer folks selling their crafts or foodstuffs to earn a living, a very small number of them beg for free money. That being said, it's good to plan ahead and carry change for the ones you want to help. In my experience, 95% of the beggars were elderly women sitting outside the churches with their hands out for something; too old or sick to work. Of course, if you are in a high-tourist area, you'll see the kids begging as well. But in the pueblos/ranchos--I saw nothing but hard-working folk.
JEREZ, ZACATECAS:
In JEREZ- which is LOVELY, your first stop should be the tourism kiosk in the main garden plaza. They have maps in English and Spanish that point out the historical buildings and places of interest. Many are within about a 5 block radius so walking is best for taking in the sights. No need for taxi either, I took the public transportation (camiones) for a few cents per ride. Take the green or blue line which drives throughout the downtown area and see the town. This is the best way to see the central as well as the residential neighborhoods. The cemetery is only about three blocks from the main church, just ask anyone for directions; there is a museum next door to the cemetery also. For a good meal, I recommend the restaurant JUANA GALLO, which has the best regional dish, the "guizado de boda," I guarantee you will enjoy it.
If you are in Zacatecas City first, I would suggest you take the camion (bus) to Jerez. It costs only about $4.00USD and you'll get to ride with the locals. You can take a taxi from main city to the "central camionera" (bus depot) and pay at the desk. Buses run about every 20-30 minutes. The ride into Jerez is about 90 minutes. From the main bus depot in Jerez, you can take the blue or green line bus which goes to the plaza. Do the same for the return into the city; this is what I did. You should be able to take in all the sights in one day or less.
Feel free to PM me if you want more pointers.
You say you are going for Easter? I hear Jerez has the largest "charreadas" on Easter week. Have a great time!
Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
Hello - I did the same thing 5 years ago and I took my mom with me. What a wonderful trip it was. We went to Ayo El Chico and Atotonilco El Alto. Prior to that my mom had never been to Mexico as she was born in Anaheim California.
1. Take a video camera and videotape the towns and churches you are researching.
2. Take a camera also so you can take plenty of photos.
3. If you are driving yourself and if you can, use GPS. You could also use a Guia Roji
4. Take copies of your records with you for reference.
Other people might have ideas that I haven't mentioned.
Good Luck and have a great trip!
Yolanda
________________________________
From: "jcdl1944@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 8:41:10 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
In the spring 2010 (after Easter) I'm going to my ancestors' birthland. Does anyone have any suggestions as to a good way to plan this?
Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
Lots of great ideas and suggestions, Primos! Thanks!
Jose Carlos de Leon
Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
How silly of me not to recognize your e-mail.. Us older folks don't always remember so just a reminder to all to please sign your messages so we know who we are talking too. Wonder if any of the Banuelos family is still in Huejucar that connects you to my Aunt Virg? Take lots of photos for reference work..
hugs, Linda in B.C.
--- On Sun, 10/4/09, jcdl1944@hotmail.com wrote:
From: jcdl1944@hotmail.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Huejucar & Colotlon,Jal. and Jerez, Zac.
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 8:35 AM
Lots of great ideas and suggestions, Primos! Thanks!
Jose Carlos de Leon