Don't take this the wrong way, but maybe the indians weren't "uprising"
when they killed your great-grandfathers. Maybe the indians were just
defending themselves against an uprising and they were killed as a
result of it.

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3. Re: Apaches in Zacatecas in 1854? (Erlinda Castanon-Long)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:18:11 -0400
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gracinas?
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I came across the term "Gracinas" in the LDS records today. It was
placed in lieu of a birth date under the "Events" section of a marriage
record (the marriage details were all there).

Not being entirely conversant in Spanish, I looked the word up in my
dictionary and found nothing. I know there are more experienced minds
at work on this list and so hope to prevail upon your expertise for an
answer/definition/history/explanation, etc. of this terminology and its
application in this record.

You're all the best, and your help greatly appreciated!

Annette

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:34:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: zacatecano020@hotmail.com
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apaches in Zacatecas in 1854?
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I was reading information about the Haciendas of the Zacatecas region.
And I was reading this link about the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso,
Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

It describes about several Haciendas - San Mateo of Valparaiso,
Zacatecas, Mexico, Hacienda de las Viboras - does not say location of
that Hacienda....but years ago one time I scrolled through microfilm of
Xerez, Zacatecas the year 1620, defuntos and saw that name "Hacienda De
Las Viboras" in Xerez, Zacatecas. So when I was reading the link
recently and again saw the name Hacienda De Las Viboras, I already knew
it's location.

Now, in the link it mentions Benito Del Hoyo and that he was killed by
Apaches from the (North). So that would mean that the Apaches of the
USA were fleeing the USA cavalary, crossed into Mexico and even got as
far to Zacatecas?

Also, by coincidence, when I was scrolling through defunto records of
Huejuquilla El Alto, from the 1800's, I saw a defunto of the Del Hoyo's.
Benito Del Hoyo and his sons were killed by "Ladrones" as it was recored
in the defunto records. It stuck to my mind because of how a father and
his sons were killed by Ladrones.

Now when I read the link and it says that Benito Del Hoyo and his sons
were killed by Apaches in 1854, I began to wonder if that is the same
person that I saw in the archives years ago?

Here is the link that you can read:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

And I made a picture of the paragraph where I found a reference to the
Apaches:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9528/82300966.jpg

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 06:01:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apaches in Zacatecas in 1854?
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My family was from the district of Jerez and in a recording made by my
grandfathers sister she mentions that her grandparents Juan Jose
Castanon and Zeferina Mejia were killed by Indians in Recodo, district
of Jerez. This occured between 1850 and 1860 so apparently there were
still Indian uprisings in the area during that time period. No mention
was made of what tribe or band the Indians were.

thanks for sharing your story.
Linda Castanon-Long

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From: "zacatecano020@hotmail.com"
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, April 26, 2010 11:34:17 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Apaches in Zacatecas in 1854?

I was reading information about the Haciendas of the Zacatecas region.?
And I was reading this link about the Hacienda of San Mateo, Valparaiso,
Zacatecas, Mexico:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

It describes about several Haciendas - San Mateo of Valparaiso,
Zacatecas, Mexico,? Hacienda de las Viboras - does not say location of
that Hacienda....but years ago one time I scrolled through microfilm of
Xerez, Zacatecas the year 1620, defuntos and saw that name "Hacienda De
Las Viboras"? in Xerez, Zacatecas. So when I was reading the link
recently and again saw the name Hacienda De Las Viboras, I already knew
it's location.

Now, in the link it mentions Benito Del Hoyo and that he was killed by
Apaches from the (North).? So that would mean that the Apaches of the
USA were fleeing the USA cavalary, crossed into Mexico and even got as
far to Zacatecas??
Also, by coincidence, when I was scrolling through defunto records of
Huejuquilla El Alto, from the 1800's, I saw a defunto of the Del
Hoyo's.? Benito Del Hoyo and his sons were killed by "Ladrones" as it
was recored in the defunto records.? It stuck to my mind because of how
a father and his sons were killed by Ladrones.

Now when I read the link and it says that Benito Del Hoyo and his sons
were killed by Apaches in 1854, I began to wonder if that is the same
person that I saw in the archives years ago?

Here is the link that you can read:

http://www.lasviboras.com/cronica.html

And I made a picture of the paragraph where I found a reference to the
Apaches:

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9528/82300966.jpg