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I have used Family Tree DNA. I have used the Y-DNA 67 marker, and the mtDNA,
and have been pleased with the results. However, the Family Finder test has
been a disappointment. The default for all people with Native American DNA
is "Maya." I spoke with Bennett Greenspan the CEO and was told they do not
have ample Native American samples to be more accurate. It is a false
premise to give people the impression that everyone of Mexican descent is
genetically linked to the Maya people.
Secondly, Some of Mexican American descent are being classified as "Russian"
as a default in their Family Finder DNA. Mr. Greenspan thinks that this in
fact might be linked to some ancient people who migrated to the Basque
country from Finland, and not Russian as currently classified. There is no
historical evidence of a Russian presence in Mexico to justify use such
strong showing of Russian DNA in Mexico. Russian Jews who emigrated to
Mexico do not provide an answer.
I simply offer this as a caveat for those planning to invest money in DNA
testing.
Stella Cardoza
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Today's Topics:
1. Best DNA test provider (Chris Pineda)
2. Re: Acerca del Origen de (mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx)
3. Re: Best DNA test provider (mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx)
4. Gemelos Maria y Jesus Diaz (Sergio Rodriguez)
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Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:07:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Pineda
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Best DNA test provider
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Hello all:
I know that others have asked in the past, so I apologize. But I just want
to make sure if Family Tree DNA is the way to go. Specifically, were people
happy just doing the y-DNA test, which appears to be the cheapest test.
Also, which y-DNA test is really necessary: y-DNA 12, 25 or 37?
My father is interested in doing the y-DNA test. As for our lineage, while
I've had great success in searching various family lines from Tlaltenango
(ex. Gonzalez, Arteaga, etc), I've had no luck with our surname: Pineda/
Pinedo.
I've only been able to back to go back to my grandfather's father, Nicanor
Pinedo, who married twice in Tlaltenango. Based on his marriage records, his
parents were Pedro Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza. But I've not been able to
find any birth records for Nicanor Pinedo or marriage record for Pedro
Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza, so I'm stuck.
So maybe we'll learn something from the y-DNA test.
Chris Pineda
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Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:19:32 -0800 (PST)
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Estimado Sr. Agraz,
Yo pienso que definitivamente NO existen suficientes fundamentos para pensar
que efectivemente Sebasti?n Vizca?no fue hijo natural del virrey Luis de
Velasco y Ruiz de Alarc?n. Las hip?tesis deben de probarse y "papelito
habla". Mientras no existan documentos de la ?poca que comprueben el
parentesco las hip?tesis se quedar?n en eso.
Saludos cordiales e igualmente feliz navidad y pr?spero a?o nuevo 2012.
Victoriano Navarro
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Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:26:17 -0800 (PST)
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I don't know if they are the best, but I think they are pretty good.
As for the tests, Y-12 gives you too many 12/12 matches from people not
really closely related to you. The more markers the better, I would go with
the Y-37 or Y-67 one. They currently have these tests on sale, but I think
the offer ends by the end of the year.
Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 13:41:15 -0600
From: Sergio Rodriguez
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gemelos Maria y Jesus Diaz
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Hola Primo:
I need to tell you that I found baptism registration for twins Maria and
Jesus Diaz our records show that they were born from Alejandro Diaz Lea?os
and Maria Marcos Puentes Varela.
According to this record we could be mistaken the name of the Mother it
should be Maria Marquez as shown in the record Fathers ancestors are Tadeo
Diaz y Genoveva Lea?os.
Mother ancestors are Cecilio Marques and Dominga Varela you can check it up
at
Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records,
1590-1995
Santa Mar?a de los
Angeles
Santa Mar?a de los
Angeles
Bautismos 1879-1894
Image of 776
Previous page is for the other twin brother.
Best regards and Merry Christmas.
Sergio Ernesto Rodriguez Ruiz from Queretaro Mexico.
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Family Tree DNA
I've had no interest in it. I don't think it's worth the price of such a test.
I believe the DNA profile will fit almost everybody from Mexico. Kind of like reading the Astrology section in the newspaper.
Jose Carlos de Leon
Family Tree DNA
That's as true as saying the U.S. never put a man on the moon or that
radiocarbon dating doesn't prove the age of anything. It's unfortunate
there are still a lot of people that have such a limited understanding of
science even in this day and age.
Armando
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:55 PM, wrote:
> I've had no interest in it. I don't think it's worth the price of such a
> test.
>
> I believe the DNA profile will fit almost everybody from Mexico. Kind of
> like reading the Astrology section in the newspaper.
>
> Jose Carlos de Leon
>
Family Tree DNA
When I first started working on my family tree over thirty years ago I thought that I would find my tree to be half indian and half spanish. I mistakenly believed that most mexicans would find this to be thE case.
It wasn't until I started my research that I found that I had a mulatto ancestor from the late 1600's. Then I found that I descended from petronila Moctezuma, A descendent of Moctezuma II.
Through my research, I discovered that over 90 per cent of my tree is espanol with an increasing percentage of converso ancestry and a little muslim thrown in. The more research that I do, the more evidence I find of conversos in my ancestry despite proclamations stating the contrary. All mexicans do not share the same DNA. With all the endogamy in our families of course you will find many similar branches But You will also find differences that make our trees unique.
I have not had myself tested for my DNA but your arguement may lead me to finally getting it done
RIck A Ricci
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I've had no interest in it. I don't think it's worth the price of such a test.
I believe the DNA profile will fit almost everybody from Mexico. Kind of like reading the Astrology section in the newspaper.
Jose Carlos de Leon
Family Tree DNA
when I had my Gutierrez family DNA done it came back Haplogroup N..found in Siberia, Russia and Finland. I traced this family back to Michoacan abt 1650 and moving to Jalisco in abt 1780.. my only perfect match was a person who's family immigrated to the U.S. in the 1800's.
2 years ago I discovered I have exfoliation glaucoma and that it is genetic and mostly found in people in Finland. There is also a subclade of N3 found in Seville, Spain and thought to come there with the retinue of the grandchildren of Cortes/Moctezuma. They had many Yndios with them.
I found it interesting.. so did my Mothers Gutierrez family.
My personal MTDNA came back Native American Haplogroup A.. Nahua in Mexico but the book in Nuestros book section showed the bands who carried the 4 MTNDA types, what a wonderful lesson in how our ancestors moved and traveled through the centuries. I personally am glad I had them done.. Oh, my Fathers Castanon DNA came back R1B.
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When I first started working on my family tree over thirty years ago I thought that I would find my tree to be half indian and half spanish. I mistakenly believed that most mexicans would find this to be thE case.
It wasn't until I started my research that I found that I had a mulatto ancestor from the late 1600's. Then I found that I descended from petronila Moctezuma, A descendent of Moctezuma II.
Through my research, I discovered that over 90 per cent of my tree is espanol with an increasing percentage of converso ancestry and a little muslim thrown in. The more research that I do, the more evidence I find of conversos in my ancestry despite proclamations stating the contrary. All mexicans do not share the same DNA. With all the endogamy in our families of course you will find many similar branches But You will also find differences that make our trees unique.
I have not had myself tested for my DNA but your arguement may lead me to finally getting it done
RIck A Ricci
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I've had no interest in it. I don't think it's worth the price of such a test.
I believe the DNA profile will fit almost everybody from Mexico. Kind of like reading the Astrology section in the newspaper.
Jose Carlos de Leon
Family Tree DNA
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:55:35
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Family Tree DNA
I've had no interest in it. I don't think it's worth the price of such a test.
I believe the DNA profile will fit almost everybody from Mexico. Kind of like reading the Astrology section in the newspaper.
Jose Carlos de Leon