The matrimonios only included the names of the bride and groom, their
calidad, at times their place of origin, sometimes their parents, the
witnesses, and the padrinos of the marriage.
The información matrimonial was a process called for by the Council of
Trent where the bride and groom declared their age, calidad, their place of
origin, their parents, and a previous marriage if there was one. They also
had to declare they were free to marry and didn't have the impediments of
consanguinity or affinity relationship, haven't promised to marry another
person, no criminal convictions, no promise of celibacy or to belong to a
religious order. The bride also declares she is marrying voluntarily and
isn't being forced pr coerced to marry. The información matimonial will
also have three witnesses that declare they have known the bride and/or
groom for a number of years and that everything that they know what the
bride and groom have said is known to be true. At times the witnesses are
related to the bride or groom and they state the relationship and that the
relationship isn't keeping them from stating the truth. Sometimes a detail
comes out that wasn't known about a consanguineal relationship and then the
process for a dispensa is started. If the bride and groom are from
different towns then two different información matrimonial records would be
created, one for each town. Both should be attempted to be found since one
can have info the other does not.
At times the matrimonial record can't be found but the información
matrimonial can be found which gives even more info to begin with.
Therefore, indexing the información matrimonial records should be given the
same degree of importance as any other record.
Dispensas are yet another record. The dispensas of consanguinidad are
records to ask for permission to marry when they are related within the
past four generations. The dispensas of afinidad are for when a former
spouse is related to a spouse to be. The past two give a lot of valuable
genealogical information. Dispensas de ultramarino are for people that are
originally from overseas. Dispensas had to be authorized by the bishop. The
información matrimonial only had to be authorized by the priest of the
church the bride or groom belonged to.
Familysearch has an explanation in Spanish of información matrimonial with
examples.
Thanks for the info, Armando. But I'm still confused as to whether all marriages have both a matrimonio entry *and* informacion matrimonial, or do some people somehow merit the more lengthy im? I've only looked up matrimonio stuff, should I look for im as well?
All marriages had an información matrimonial but not all of the records
still exist. You should definitely look them up regardless if you have
found the marriage records.
Saludos
Armando
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:49 AM, wrote:
> Thanks for the info, Armando. But I'm still confused as to whether all
> marriages have both a matrimonio entry *and* informacion matrimonial, or do
> some people somehow merit the more lengthy im? I've only looked up
> matrimonio stuff, should I look for im as well?
>
> ¡Gracias!
>
>
> Laura Gonzalez
That extra information can sometimes be invaluable. I have seen informacion matrimonial state that the groom had lived in other jurisdictions aside from their home town. In the early 1900's, there was some informacion matrimonial with a dispensation to the groom "de vaguedad" meaning he had been traveling without an official residence, showed he'd lived in Kansas City and other parts of the US.
Different reasons for a dispensa are that the bride and her family were very poor and needed immediate rescue. I find the informaciones matrimoniales full of information we wouldn't be able to get elsewhere.
These are also very necessary when the betrothed couple are closely related. Often there are 3-4 generations shown on a Family Tree to approve marriages of relationships (cousins of each other were the most common). "Yay" for us genealogists!
Sometimes Dispensations are taken on already married couples when one spouse accuses the other of adultry (this was the case of one of my ancestors).
Matrimonios vs. Información Matrimonial
The matrimonios only included the names of the bride and groom, their
calidad, at times their place of origin, sometimes their parents, the
witnesses, and the padrinos of the marriage.
The información matrimonial was a process called for by the Council of
Trent where the bride and groom declared their age, calidad, their place of
origin, their parents, and a previous marriage if there was one. They also
had to declare they were free to marry and didn't have the impediments of
consanguinity or affinity relationship, haven't promised to marry another
person, no criminal convictions, no promise of celibacy or to belong to a
religious order. The bride also declares she is marrying voluntarily and
isn't being forced pr coerced to marry. The información matimonial will
also have three witnesses that declare they have known the bride and/or
groom for a number of years and that everything that they know what the
bride and groom have said is known to be true. At times the witnesses are
related to the bride or groom and they state the relationship and that the
relationship isn't keeping them from stating the truth. Sometimes a detail
comes out that wasn't known about a consanguineal relationship and then the
process for a dispensa is started. If the bride and groom are from
different towns then two different información matrimonial records would be
created, one for each town. Both should be attempted to be found since one
can have info the other does not.
At times the matrimonial record can't be found but the información
matrimonial can be found which gives even more info to begin with.
Therefore, indexing the información matrimonial records should be given the
same degree of importance as any other record.
Dispensas are yet another record. The dispensas of consanguinidad are
records to ask for permission to marry when they are related within the
past four generations. The dispensas of afinidad are for when a former
spouse is related to a spouse to be. The past two give a lot of valuable
genealogical information. Dispensas de ultramarino are for people that are
originally from overseas. Dispensas had to be authorized by the bishop. The
información matrimonial only had to be authorized by the priest of the
church the bride or groom belonged to.
Familysearch has an explanation in Spanish of información matrimonial with
examples.
http://goo.gl/C1ZU8
Saludos,
Armando
On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:03 PM, wrote:
> What's the difference besides extra info? Why the difference?
>
> Thanks, Laura Gonzalez
Matrimonios vs. Información Matrimonial
Thanks for the info, Armando. But I'm still confused as to whether all marriages have both a matrimonio entry *and* informacion matrimonial, or do some people somehow merit the more lengthy im? I've only looked up matrimonio stuff, should I look for im as well?
¡Gracias!
Laura Gonzalez
Matrimonios vs. Información Matrimonial
All marriages had an información matrimonial but not all of the records
still exist. You should definitely look them up regardless if you have
found the marriage records.
Saludos
Armando
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:49 AM, wrote:
> Thanks for the info, Armando. But I'm still confused as to whether all
> marriages have both a matrimonio entry *and* informacion matrimonial, or do
> some people somehow merit the more lengthy im? I've only looked up
> matrimonio stuff, should I look for im as well?
>
> ¡Gracias!
>
>
> Laura Gonzalez
Matrimonios vs. Información Matrimonial
That extra information can sometimes be invaluable. I have seen informacion matrimonial state that the groom had lived in other jurisdictions aside from their home town. In the early 1900's, there was some informacion matrimonial with a dispensation to the groom "de vaguedad" meaning he had been traveling without an official residence, showed he'd lived in Kansas City and other parts of the US.
Different reasons for a dispensa are that the bride and her family were very poor and needed immediate rescue. I find the informaciones matrimoniales full of information we wouldn't be able to get elsewhere.
Alicia
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matrimonios vs. Información Matrimonial
What's the difference besides extra info? Why the difference?
Thanks, Laura Gonzalez
Matrimonios Info and dispens.
These are also very necessary when the betrothed couple are closely related. Often there are 3-4 generations shown on a Family Tree to approve marriages of relationships (cousins of each other were the most common). "Yay" for us genealogists!
Sometimes Dispensations are taken on already married couples when one spouse accuses the other of adultry (this was the case of one of my ancestors).
Jose Carlos de Leon