I understand dating back to the times of the Roman Empire women could get married as young as 14. Also, you could be in your 20's and still need the permission of your parents to get married. In the case of Pioquinto, his parents were already dead. Regarding your other post, maybe you should not try to index the Guadalajara Dispensas until you have more experience reading them, otherwise you may write down incorrect or incomplete information. You just have to keep reading until you become familiarized with the writing, spelling variations and abbreviations used.
This is what I can read in the dispensa:
Theocaltiche, January 9, 1913
Groom: Anttº Ximenes (Antonio Jiménez), legitimate son of Diego Ximenes & Cathalina de Arellanos, Españoles, neighbours of the Partido de Nochistlan.
Bride: Juana de Arze (Arce), legitimate dauther of Juan de Arze & Petrona Martines de Alarcon, deceased (only her),neighbours of this town (They also call her Petra, and these names may or not be an abbreviation of Petronila)
Lorenzo de Rubalcava, great grandfather of the groom, was the brother of Josepha Bapta (Baptista) de Rublacava, great grandmother of the bride,
Lorenzo was the father of Agueda de Rubalcava (grandmother of the groom), and Cathalina was the mother of the groom (they don't spell out the relationship between Agueda and Cathalina)
Josepha Bapta de Rublacava was the great grandmother of the bride; Joseph Martinez de Alarcon was the grandfather of the bride, and he was the father of Petra, mother of the bride (they don't spell out the relationship between Josepha and Joseph).
Groom: Pioquinto García, Español, 15 years old, born and living in Puesto de Nanguè, legitimate son of Christoval Garcia and Ana Maria Lopez (both deceased).
Bride: Maria Estefana de Yslas, Española, 15 years old, born and living in Puesto de Nanguè, legitimate daughter of Josef Maria de Yslas and Juana Ma. de Quesada.
Ygancio López (maternal grandfather of the groom) and Lugarda López (paternal grandmother of the bride) were siblings.
Thanks lots it's breath taking how young my ancestors would marry.I suppose their parents agreed on this.
I also need help on another dispensa im sorry if this is to much to ask for.This Dispensa is for Antonio Ximenez Y Juana De Arce.
Obviously these two were related Antonio Ximenez great grandfather Lorenzo Rubalcava was brother with Juana De Arce great grandmother Josepha Baptista De Rubalcava.And that is all i can understand I actually want understand the whole dispensa here but the writing is just to unbearable to read.Would you please help me?or point out some interesting factors here?
this doucment states that they share the 3rd degeree of consanguity(aka. technical term for second cousins) this doucment also states the parents of the groom and bride.
the next page states how they are related in the 1st testigo paragraph.
pioquinto's maternal grandpa-ygnacio lopez, and estfana's paternal grandma- lugarda lopez, are silings.
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Hi Abram,
I understand dating back to the times of the Roman Empire women could get married as young as 14. Also, you could be in your 20's and still need the permission of your parents to get married. In the case of Pioquinto, his parents were already dead. Regarding your other post, maybe you should not try to index the Guadalajara Dispensas until you have more experience reading them, otherwise you may write down incorrect or incomplete information. You just have to keep reading until you become familiarized with the writing, spelling variations and abbreviations used.
This is what I can read in the dispensa:
Theocaltiche, January 9, 1913
Groom: Anttº Ximenes (Antonio Jiménez), legitimate son of Diego Ximenes & Cathalina de Arellanos, Españoles, neighbours of the Partido de Nochistlan.
Bride: Juana de Arze (Arce), legitimate dauther of Juan de Arze & Petrona Martines de Alarcon, deceased (only her),neighbours of this town (They also call her Petra, and these names may or not be an abbreviation of Petronila)
Lorenzo de Rubalcava, great grandfather of the groom, was the brother of Josepha Bapta (Baptista) de Rublacava, great grandmother of the bride,
Lorenzo was the father of Agueda de Rubalcava (grandmother of the groom), and Cathalina was the mother of the groom (they don't spell out the relationship between Agueda and Cathalina)
Josepha Bapta de Rublacava was the great grandmother of the bride; Joseph Martinez de Alarcon was the grandfather of the bride, and he was the father of Petra, mother of the bride (they don't spell out the relationship between Josepha and Joseph).
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
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victoriano is right. heck , i think my ancestor refugio de arceo may have been 11 when she got married.
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Nochistlán, March 11, 1796
Groom: Pioquinto García, Español, 15 years old, born and living in Puesto de Nanguè, legitimate son of Christoval Garcia and Ana Maria Lopez (both deceased).
Bride: Maria Estefana de Yslas, Española, 15 years old, born and living in Puesto de Nanguè, legitimate daughter of Josef Maria de Yslas and Juana Ma. de Quesada.
Ygancio López (maternal grandfather of the groom) and Lugarda López (paternal grandmother of the bride) were siblings.
Regards,
Victoriano Navarro
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Victoriano,
Thanks lots it's breath taking how young my ancestors would marry.I suppose their parents agreed on this.
I also need help on another dispensa im sorry if this is to much to ask for.This Dispensa is for Antonio Ximenez Y Juana De Arce.
Obviously these two were related Antonio Ximenez great grandfather Lorenzo Rubalcava was brother with Juana De Arce great grandmother Josepha Baptista De Rubalcava.And that is all i can understand I actually want understand the whole dispensa here but the writing is just to unbearable to read.Would you please help me?or point out some interesting factors here?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18418-36879-14?cc=1874591&wc…
Help Reading a Dispensa
this doucment states that they share the 3rd degeree of consanguity(aka. technical term for second cousins) this doucment also states the parents of the groom and bride.
the next page states how they are related in the 1st testigo paragraph.
pioquinto's maternal grandpa-ygnacio lopez, and estfana's paternal grandma- lugarda lopez, are silings.