Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
I'm looking for information on my Ancestor Blas de Mendosa here
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Mendoza-44
on an old Nuestros Ranchos post it says hes a Native American Chief and I
wanted to know if anyone knows his parents or any information about him and
if its true hes a Chief.
Danny C. Alonso
Blas Mendoza
I found Blas Mendoza (L23K-C18) on Familysearch.org, but there was not much on him and his wife though one more son named Antonio came up. I merged many of his childrens' marriages from their son Salvador with Maria Victoria Lopez Delgado (she went by maria lopez and maria Delgado) with Aries, Alba, Valades and Jaimes. I do know that the Jaimes (Jayme) married into the Pedroza's (my distant cousins from Jalisco and Aguascalientes). There is a lot more to be merged as the families had quite a number of children.
Blas Mendoza
Thank you Simona. i descend from the Pedrozas and Jaimes to. Maria Manuela
Jaimes and Juan Jose Pedroza are my ancestors from there son Jose Feliciano
Pedroza here
http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Pedroza-88
Danny C. Alonso
On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 3:11 PM, wrote:
> I found Blas Mendoza (L23K-C18) on Familysearch.org, but there was not much
> on him and his wife though one more son named Antonio came up. I merged
> many
> of his childrens' marriages from their son Salvador with Maria Victoria
> Lopez
> Delgado (she went by maria lopez and maria Delgado) with Aries, Alba,
> Valades
> and Jaimes. I do know that the Jaimes (Jayme) married into the Pedroza's
> (my
> distant cousins from Jalisco and Aguascalientes). There is a lot more to be
> merged as the families had quite a number of children.
>
Pedrozas
Juan Joseph De Pedroza
1754-Deceased • M3C7-3YS is my cousin's 3rd grandfather. Her family tree is a work in progress(I have been working on it since October of this year) but it is public so if you enter any of the family members you do not have you would match with her on ancestry.
Blas Mendoza
Hello Danny,
I haven't been active in a while, but I too descend from Blas de Mendoza
and he was a tribal chief. This article mentions his ancestors:
http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/nobles.html
have a great day,
Ashlynn
Blas Mendoza
Ashlynn,
this looks like good information. Im going to tryn and read it tonight.
thank you very much.
Danny C. Alonso
On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 4:32 PM, Ashlynn Castaneda <
ashlynn.castaneda@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Danny,
>
> I haven't been active in a while, but I too descend from Blas de Mendoza
> and he was a tribal chief. This article mentions his ancestors:
>
> http://www.historiasyrecuerdosdeencarnaciondediaz.com/nobles.html
>
> have a great day,
>
> Ashlynn
Blas Mendoza
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum,
I'm tryin to understand this section of the article on the Mendozas below and my Spanish isn't that good so I cant tell what's happening. Its talking about the descendents of the chief Xavalotl and then theyre talking about somebody named aguano and I cant tell whether Xavalot and Aguano are the same person or if theyre related or if Aguano is a child of Xavalot or he's a descendent of Xavalot or if theres no connection between them. and then theyre talking about the children of Martin Yecotl name Diego, Pedro and Baltasar Mendoza but then they also mention a Baltasar Mendoza that's married to ISabel de la Cruz Navarro and is that the same as the Baltasar Mendoza that's the son of Martin YEcotl? I cant really tell the order of all the children mentioned and who they're connected to. could someone help me figure out what's goin on
Danny C. Alonso
"Claro ejemplo del proceso de Macehualización, es el caso de los descendientes del Cacique Xahualot, antiguo Tlatoani Cazcán, quienes adquirieron el apellido de Mendoza durante la conquista, precisamente del Virrey Don Antonio de Mendoza: (7)
Para la elaboración de la Relación Geográfica del Pueblo de Teocaltiche, se congregaron en calidad de informantes a nueve naturales, entre los que destacan los Nietos del Antiguo Cacique Llamado Aquano; en el Capitulo Catorce, dichos testigos dijeron: que este pueblo y el de Nochiztlán, eran de un Indio que se llamó en lengua Caxcana Aquano, que según ellos significaba "Capitán Mayor de las Guerras," (8) por cuyo mandato y orden se hacían las guerras y se conquistaban las tierras; se le reconocía algún vasallaje por ser valiente y descendiente de gente principal. También se le recordaba por llegar a ser un hombre muy gordo.
Aquano o Aguano, según la citada relación, tuvo dos hijos de los cuales uno murió durante la conquista y el otro se nombro Yecotl, que quiere decir Quemador, a quien después de Bautizado se le nombró Don Martín; fue gobernador del Pueblo de Teocaltiche y lo mataron los indios Chichimecas en el camino de Zacatecas, donde dicen Las Palmillas, yendo a dichas minas con Diego Delgadillo, cuando en Junio de 1561 acompañaron a algunas carretas que venían de la Ciudad de México. (El Dr. Don Thomas Hillerkuss, ha estado publicando diversos tomos de su Diccionario Biográfico del Occidente Novohispano, en el que se encuentra cuantiosa información, sobre la gran mayoría de los primeros pobladores; T. II, 2001:19).
En 1584, vivían en el Pueblo de Teocaltiche, dos hijos de Martín Yecotl, a quienes se dice Don Baltasar de Mendoza que es gobernador y Don Pedro de Mendoza; también se cree que era hermano de los anteriores Don Diego de Mendoza, quien al igual que ellos fungió como testigo (Acuña Rene. Relaciones geográficas del siglo XVI: Nueva Galicia, Relación del Pueblo de Teucaltiche, 1988:293-308).
El erudito Don Ignacio Dávila Garibi, menciona que los testigos que declararon en 1584 ante Hernando Gallegos, entre tantos datos confusos y aun contradictorios, dieron algunas noticias cuya exactitud puede comprobarse mediante otros documentos de la época. Al hablar del cacique de Teocaltiche, Aguano, dijeron que éste había muerto poco antes de que Nuño de Guzmán conquistara las tierras de los Cazcanos y que tal Aguano también era cacique de Nochiztlan, cuyo sucesor, a lo que parece, fue Petacatl. Dicho Nombre es propuesto por Dávila Garibi, quien el mismo señala que lo habían olvidado los Testigo. (Dávila Garibi J. Ignacio, Bosquejo Histórico de Teocaltiche, 1945:122).
Respecto a este Petactl, Dávila señala que fue hermano de Tenamaxtli, y que fue Señor de Nocheztlán, con Jurisdicción en Teocaltech, a demás menciona los Nombres de Caciques de Pueblos circunvecinos durante la Guerra del Miztón; las jurisdicciones o cacicasgos que proporciona Dávila Garibi se contradicen con los datos publicados en 1996 por el Dr. Ernesto Juárez Frias en su libro Tenamaztle Héroe Nacional; al hablar de Tenamaztle Menciona que: "Se tiene por cierto que fué hermano de Papalotl, Cacique de Nochiztlan"; sobre Petacatl, dice que fue Señor de Jalpa y que en Noviembre de 1541, abandonó a los sitiados en el Peñol de Nochiztlan; más tarde el mismo autor menciona que Tenamaztle y el Cacique de Nochiztlán "Don Francisco de Aguilar" como segundo Jefe, atacaron Guadalajara el 28 de Septiembre de 1541(Dávila, 145:121; Juárez Frías, 1996:40,54,55 y 35, en Referencia a Fray Antonio Tello).
Cierto es que el Cacicazgo de Teocaltitech, dependió de Nochiztlán; en tal virtud la Relación Geográfica del Pueblo de Nochiztlán, efectuada en 1584 aporta datos complementarios, pues los informantes dijeron, que dicho pueblo era de un indio Nombrado Panen, y tras de este vino otro que se llamó Xavalotl. (9) "Y este Xavalot, cuando entraron los españoles en esta tierra, se volvió Cristiano y se llamó Don Miguel, y de este procedió un Don Francisco Papalotl, que lo tenía como por allegado a su casa, y este quedó en su lugar. Y, muerto el dicho Don Francisco Papalotl, le sucedió un hijo suyo que se llamaba Don Pedro de Mendoza; y éste murió, y quedó un hijo suyo, y no gobierna"; al respecto Don René Acuña, puntualiza que el bautismo de los Caciques de Nochiztlán presumiblemente tuvo lugar a fines de 1531, durante el primer amago Misionero de los Religiosos de San Francisco en esa región. (10) Dicho cacique debió morir antes de 1540, por que según consta cuando el alzamiento de los indios de la Provincia, ya era cacique de los Cazcanes su sucesor Don Francisco (Acuña René, 1988:168-169), coincidiendo estos datos con los anteriormente expuestos.
Cuando se levanta la información del Pueblo de Teocaltiche el 30 de Diciembre de 1584, firman como testigos los Nietos de Aguano, bautizados con los nombres de Baltasar, Diego y Pedro de Mendoza, Hijos de Don Martín Yecotl quien fué Gobernador de Dicho Pueblo (Acuña René, 1988:295). Al respecto de estos personajes, Dávila Garibi dejó escrito que: "en los libros Parroquiales de Teocaltiche, hay barios Bautizados de Apellido Mendoza, posibles descendientes de Aguano" (Dávila Garibi, 1945:181-183).
Gracias a los Extractos de las Confirmaciones de Teocaltiche, realizados por nuestra gran amiga México-Estadounidense, la Genealogista Mary Lou Montagna, y publicados en el "Diario Genealogico de la Sociedad Hsipánica de Historia y Busqueda de Ancestros",(11) entre otros Mendoza se han ubicado confirmados a los Hijos de Don Baltasar de Mendoza e Isabel de la Cruz Navarro, siendo uno de ellos: Thomas, Hijo de Baltasar e Isabel, Padrino Miguel Juárez, confirmado el 6 Enero de 1654 (Montagna, 1994: Vol. I, 1995: Vol. II, y 1996:Vol III).
Respecto a Don Baltasar de Mendoza y su esposa Isabel de la Cruz Navarro, he podido localizar en la Parroquia de Teocaltiche, sus respectivas actas de Defunción:
Al Margen: Theocaltiche Ysabel de la Cruz Navaro Mestissa Casada.
En el Pueblo de Theocaltiche en 3 dias del mes de Diciembre de 1698, se enterro en esta Santa Iglesia Parroquial a Ysabel de la Cruz Nabarro, mujer de Don Baltasar de Mendoza Mestizos de este Pueblo. Recibió los Santos sacramentos. No testo.
Al Margen: Theocaltiche Don Baltasar de Mendoza Mestisso viudo de Ysabel de la Cruz Nabarro.
En el Pueblo de Theocaltiche en 24 dias del mes de diciembre de 1698 años. Se enterró en esta Santa Iglesia Parroquial a Don Baltasar de Mendoza Mestisso viudo de Ysabel de la Cruz Nabarro. Recibió los Santos Sacramentos. Aunque testo nada dexo.
De esta familia, probablemente descendiente del Cacique Xahualot o Aguano, existe el matrimonio efectuado el 29 de Febrero de 1688 en Teocaltiche, de Don Thomas de Mendoza Mestizo, hijo de Don Baltasar de Mendoza e Ysabel de la Cruz; con María Sánchez, hija de padres no conocidos. Fueron sus Padrinos Juan de Aldrete y Francisca Ximenes su mujer; testigos Bernabé Morán y José de la Trinidad.
Finalmente el 1 de Febrero de 1750 Pablo Manuel de Mendoza, Mestizo, originario del Pueblo de Teocaltiche, hijo de Thomas de Mendoza Difunto, contrae matrimonio con Juana María Luxan India originaria del pueblo de Teocaltiche, hija de Andrés Quintero Luxan y de María de la Candelaria. La familia Mendoza Luxan emigró a la Jurisdicción de Aguascalientes y se establecieron en la Hacienda de San Miguel de los Alba, donde fueron testigos de los pleitos entre los pobladores de dicha Hacienda y las familias del Puesto del Sauz de los Macias, por la posesión de la Pequeña imagen de Nuestra Señora de la Encarnación."
Blas Mendoza
Hello Nuestros Ranchos Forum again,
I had another question about the article on the Mendoza's, is the Thomas
Mendoza who is the son of Baltazar Mendoza and Isabel de la Cruz, is he the
father of the cacique Blas Mendoza?
Danny C. Alonso
Blas Mendoza
Hi Danny,
I don't think anything is wrong with the forum, my guess is no one has any information on Blas de Mendoza and as far as there being no other posts, most people are probably busy getting ready for Christmas. Even though Don Blas de Mendoza is my 8th great grandfather, I don't really know much about him either. So far, Austin and I, have identified five children, one of which (Andrea de Mendoza), I will still need to add to his Wikitree profile. Regarding Nobles o Macehuales in Historias y Recuerdos de Encarnacion de Diaz, I do believe the Mendoza's mentioned in the article are the ancestors of the cacique don Blas de Mendoza, but, I'm not sure we will ever be able to make the connection to anyone cited in the article due to gaps in the existing records. A dispensa or a marriage record that names the parents of don Blas would have to be found and even that may not connect us to anyone in the article. I have searched for over two years for both and have yet to find them. And, in answer to your other question, yes, don Blas de Mendoza was an indigenous Chieftain, probably the last of the Caxcán chieftains, a descendant of the ancient lords of Teocaltiche and Nochistlán.
Regarding the article itself, the cacique Xahualot and Aguano I'm not sure if they're the same person, but, they may be, but, if not, they're probably related somehow. Also, they are mentioned as being alive during the Conquest, so if they're not the same, they were probably contemporaries that knew each other and were born towards the end of the 15th century.
Xahualot, named Don Miguel after his conversion was said to be the father of Don Francisco Papalotl and the Indian warrior, Tenamaztle. The Chieftain Aguano was said to be the father of Don Martin Yecotl. Don Martin Yecotl was the father of the three witnesses to the founding of Teocaltiche, Don Pedro de Mendoza, Don Diego de Mendoza, and Don Baltazar de Mendoza, who was also the indigenous governor of Teocaltiche, like his father don Martin Yecotl.
Regarding your question if the two Don Baltazar de Mendoza's are the same, I believe there's at least a generation between them, possibly more. Don Baltazar de Mendoza, son of Don Martin Yecotl, is an adult, presumably, in 1584 when he witnesses the founding of the village. Assuming that he's around 20 years old or older, the latest he probably was born would be around 1564. The other Don Baltazar de Mendoza baptized his son, Thomas de Mendoza in 1654, when the first Don Baltazar de Mendoza would've been at least 90 years old. It's possible that the second Don Baltazar de Mendoza is the son or grandson of the first Don Baltazar, but, that's just guessing. There's no real way to prove the link without the supporting documentation. It's also possible that the second Don Baltazar de Mendoza is the son or grandson of the other children of Don Martin Yecotl, Don Diego or Don Pedro de Mendoza. There's too many possibilities to speculate, although, I would say that Don Blas de Mendoza was more likely a descendant of one of these children of Don Martin Yecotl than anyone else, though, that's just my opinion.
Regarding your last question, whether, Don Baltazar de Mendoza and Ysabel de la Cruz's son, Don Thomas de Mendoza, is the father of the Cacique Don Blas de Mendoza, I was going to say no, but, I recently discovered a marriage for Andrea de Mendoza in Teocaltiche on 31 Jan, 1751, a child of Blas de Mendoza, which caused me to revise Blas de Mendoza's date of birth, and, now I would say it's a small possibility. Don Thomas de Mendoza and María Sánchez married in 1688 and I estimate the birth of the Cacique don Blas de Mendoza to be around 1710, so technically, if Thomas de Mendoza's wife, María Sánchez was young enough in 1688, she could be the mother of don Blas de Mendoza, but again, there are plenty of other possible parents of Don Blas de Mendoza.
Here are a few other Mendoza's that I came across that also are in the same timeframe to be the parents of Don Blas de Mendoza:
Don Baltazar de Mendoza and Theresa de la Cruz, Indios, had a daughter Doña Jacinta de Mendoza that married in 1733, making her probably the same age as the Cacique, Don Blas de Mendoza:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-Q2CM-F
Don Nicolas de Mendoza and Juana de Mendoza, Indios, baptized a son named Baltazar de Mendoza in 1709, also making him about the same age as Don Blas de Mendoza:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-QJSS-C3
Don Antonio de Mendoza and Catharina Lucia, Indios, had a son Pedro Domingo de Mendoza that married in 1743, making Don Antonio de Mendoza and Catharina Lucia old enough to be the parents of Don Blas de Mendoza. Catharina Lucia is also Madrina to Baltazar, son of Don Nicolas de Mendoza and Juana de Mendoza above.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7SSM-F8
All of these other Mendoza's are probably interrelated and connected in someway to the Cacique Don Blas de Mendoza, but, again, there may never be a way to determine exactly how the other Mendoza's are connected or who his parents are.
One other thing that I've noticed is that Don Blas de Mendoza and his children are never referred to as Indios and only one child have I ever found that was actually referred to as a Mestizo. Almost, always he and his children are referred to as Españoles, I'm not sure if that's out of respect for his status as Cacique or because he actually wasn't fully indian. I did notice most of the Mendoza's that are given the title of "Don" are listed as Indios, but, occasionally one will be listed as Mestizo, like Don Thomas de Mendoza that married María Sánchez. Again, I'm not sure what that means, but it may be a clue that the parents of Don Blas de Mendoza may not have been entirely Indian or again, it may just be out of respect for his status as chieftain.
I believe this is the defuncion of Cacique Don Blas de Mendoza, here listed as Juan Blas de Mendoza, and again referred to as Español:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7M99-QN
Hope this helps. Good luck Danny.
Chris
Blas Mendoza
Does anybody know if there is something wrong with the Forum? it doesnt
look like anybody is posting or responding
Danny C. Alonso
Blas de Mendoza
Hi Danny,
I've been meaning to respond to your post but I haven't had much free time lately and I suspect is the case with many of our Nuestros Ranchos friends.
Regarding the information on the 'Historias y Recuerdos de Encarnacion de Diaz' website that you included in your previous post the author, by his own admission, provides provides an uncertain history of cacique Aquano aka Xahualot and his descendants. The uncertainty is due to the limited records and contradictions in the records that do exist. Unfortunately this has been a recurring problem that I have encountered when researching my native american and african ancestors. Imprecise as it may be the author provides us with the following genealogy for us to consider and further research:
Cacique Aquano o Aguano which in the Cazcan language means "major captain of war." This Aquano may the same as Xahualot. Aquano had two sons one who died during the wars of the conquest and Yecotl who when baptized received the name of don Martin.
Yecotl who governed Teocaltiche had 3 sons don Pedro de Mendoza, don Diego de Mendoza and don Baltasar de Mendoza. Don Baltasar like his father also governed Teocaltiche. I believe that 'governed' as used in the website means that they were Caciques (leaders) of the 'indio' population in Teocaltiche.
Christopher Cuellar and I researched the family of Blas de Mendoza but could not find a link with Blas to Baltasar de Mendoza and his wife Isabel de la Cruz Navarro, who we suspect are his parents. Chris did locate the burial record for Blas which is the second entry in the following image:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939L-7M99-QN?wc=3JF6-C68%3A1731…
I'll post here if I find any additional information.
Happy Holidays
Austin Perez
Blas de Mendoza
Austin and Chris this is great information. Thank you so much. This helps
me out a lot to know all of this even if I cant be 100% sure, I'm glad I
know this much now. it gives me a much better idea of how Blas MEndoza
connects to Mendoza's in the story. so Baltasar is probably the connection
then.
Danny C. Alonso
Blas de Mendoza
Hi Danny,
Yes, I agree with Austin that Baltazar de Mendoza and Ysabel de la Cruz are the origin of our Blas de Mendoza, I should've been more clear about that, I just wanted to let you know there could be other possibilities, but I personally believe that our Blas de Mendoza descends from Baltazar de Mendoza and Ysabel de la Cruz. Whether they're the parents or grandparents, I'm not sure, but, I believe they make more sense than any other possibilities. Also, I believe the Baltazar de Mendoza married to Ysabel de la Cruz Navarro is the probable grandson or great grandson of Don Martin Yecotl.
Chris
From: Danny Alonso
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 8:01 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Blas de Mendoza
Austin and Chris this is great information. Thank you so much. This helps
me out a lot to know all of this even if I cant be 100% sure, I'm glad I
know this much now. it gives me a much better idea of how Blas MEndoza
connects to Mendoza's in the story. so Baltasar is probably the connection
then.
Danny C. Alonso
Blas Mendoza
If you mean you aren't getting the posts via your e-mail, I sometimes don't get all, just some, don't know why, but you can view all posts if you sign into the website.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:56:38 -0800
> From: dcalonso97@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Blas Mendoza
>
> Does anybody know if there is something wrong with the Forum? it doesnt
> look like anybody is posting or responding
>
> Danny C. Alonso