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I don't know much about them so it is difficult for me to figure out the complexity of their ties to Dona Petronilla de Gabai y Martin Navarro.

Bartholome Rodriguez de Aguascalientes la Cienegilla, marries first time with Theresa de (Rodriguez) Ponce 4 grado Dispensas And the second marriage with Thomasa de la Rosa Ulloa also with the 4 grado dispensa the two wifes are related.

Bartholome Rodriguez Baso 1675–Deceased • LTMV-QXX
cc. Thomasina de la Rosa Ulloa Sepulveda y Roxas 1672–Deceased • 979P-BLY
Marriage: 27 September 1703 Nochistlán, Nochistlán de Mejía, Zacatecas, México

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6QRS-YDG

There are about 12 pages of the Dispensa below starting around 22 September 1702, I could only read the following from Testigo Mathias Rubalcava

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DJG3-Q

“Bartolome Rodriguez de Baxo vdo. De Teresa Ponce y Tomasa de la Rosa Ulloa hL de Pedro de Ulloa y Marquez, que al presenter tratan de contraer matrimonio son parientes en guartto grado de afinidad y por copula ilicita porque esta Theresa por que fue hL de Nicolas Ponze niet de Dona Juana de Siordia bisnieto de Maria Gabai y Teresa nieta de Martin Nabarro y de Dona Petronilla de Montesuma y ?????
//// de este Martin Nabarro y de Maria Rosa de Ulloa por que este Pedro de Ulloa Marquez es nieto de Maria Ruis de Esparsa bisnieto de Francisca Gabai y Teresa nieta de este otro Martin Nabarro y Petronilla Montesuma…..

While there are several family versions on Familysearch does anyone or has anyone put these pieces together yet. I my search for Juan Manuel Rodriguez born abt 1758 cc: Maria Petra Alonso I found a record for this couple back in 2015 and just today I saw someone added this dispensa in another record. Thanks for the help.
Theresa is about 22 or 23 years

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So pg 316 tells us Bartolome Rodriguez Bajo is the widower of Teresa Ponce and looking to marry Tomasa de la Rosa Ulloa who is the daughter of Pedro de Ulloa y Marquez and Josefa de Sepulveda y Rojas

Pg 319 says at the very top left, Tomasa is the tercera nieta of Martin Navarro, Pedro de Ulloa, her father, is bisnieto of Martin Navarro. Teresa Ponce is also tercera nieta of Martin Navarro, Niclas Ponce, her father, is bisnieto of Martin Navarro. There is a mention of Lorenzo Ruiz de Esparza as being nieto of Martin Navarro but it does not state he is in the lines being dispensed.

Pg 319 bottom left says Teresa Ponce was the daughter of Nicolas ponce, the granddaughter of Juana de Siordia, the great granddaughter of Maria Gabai, and the great great grandaughter of Martin Navarro and Petronila de Montesuma.

Pg 319 top right states Tomasa Rosa de Ulloa is the daughter of Pedro de Ulloa Marquez, grandaughter of Maria Ruiz de Esparza, great granddaughter of Francisca Gabai, and great great grandaughter of Martin Navarro and Petronila Montesuma who were the legitimate parents of Maria Gabai and Francisca Gabai.

So the tree is:

Martin Navarro and Petronila Montesuma
Maria Gabai - Francisca Gabai
Juana Siordia - Maria Ruiz Esparza
Nicolas Ponce - Pedro de Ulloa Marquez
Teresa Ponce - Tomasa Ulloa

I hope this was able to answer your question.

Alex

So Martin Navarro (some have him as Gabai) cc Petronila Montesuma (Parents Root)
Maria Gabai (is it Juan Fernandes de Vaulus Siordia husband) - Francisca Gabai (sisters)
Juana Siordia (in the familysearch she is with Bernardo Salado aka Ruis de Esparsa) or ?
she is 1st cousins to Maria Ruiz de Esparsa (daughter of Lope Ruiz y Francisca)

Nicolas Ponce (wife ?) 2nd cousins Pedro de Ulloa Marquez (wife is named in dispensa)
Teresa Ponce (Bartholome Rdz. primer)4th cousin to Tomasa Ulloa (parents above)

These Dispensas are rich in content if you can dicpher them.

Thank you Alex,

Well according to the dispensa we can only extract the tree I posted.

From other sources, I can confirm that Maria Gabai married Pedro Hernandez Vaulus (I have Pedro not Juan). Juana Siordia married twice, first to Bernardo Salado, second to Francisco Rodriguez Ponce. All this info is confirmed via Juana Siordia's Will in Aguascalientes.

I do not know who Nicolas Ponce's wife is. Here is another pertinent dispensa:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6K9W-QM?i=167&wc=12512684&…

Alex

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