One of our brick walls is Manuel de Lizalde. He is in my tree on Ancestry at https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/27355561/person/2049287080/facts The surname has many variant spellings: Lisalde, Lisarde, Lizarde, Elizalde (which is the actual original name in Basque) - with and without the "de".
The earliest record for him is his 19 Feb 1697 marriage at Cuquio, Jalisco, with Maria de Robalcava. It shows his mother are Cathalina de Carbaxal but does not show his father. The m,arriage record is at https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18455-52689-9
While his records are at the church in Cuquio, they actually lived south of Yahualica at los Ranchos de Apozol. So, Cuquio was not where they actually lived and is well south of where they lived.
I went page by page through all the Cuquio baptisms from about 1680 back to about 1660, and he was not among those baptisms.
I am working my way back through the Nochistlan baptisms now but have not yet found him, although there is a good way yet to go.
Does anyone have solid records for him before the 1697 marriage? Is there any record that names his father?
Wesley,
I have the same brick wall with regard to Manuel Lizalde, and also have found nothing naming his father. The Manuel Lizalde family ties back to my Zermeno family, hence my interest.
A Juan Lopez de Lizalde married Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza on 25 Jan 1585 in Lagos de Moreno.
This family branch appears to be the same noted in a 1791 land record which discusses an even older 26 August 1602 land record in an area close to present day "Las Animas" (Current day Yahaulica jurisdiction).
This Juan Lopez de Lizalde was noted as owning caballerias in the area, and was noted as a Calvary soldier. It is highly likely to be the same Juan Lopez de Lizalde that married in 1585. Either way, the land record places the Lizalde family in Yahaulica very early on, and presents a good likelihood Manuel Lizalde descends in some manner through this family.
Link: 1791 Land Record Link
Lee
Hi Lee,
I'm unfamiliar with Manuel, but our family is descended from this same Juan Lópes de Lizalde and his wife, Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza. Are there any credible sources that prove Juan's parentage?
So far, nothing I've found is provable, but I'm a beginner to colonial era genealogy.
Best,
Travis
For Miguel Lopez de Lizalde and wife Leonor Aberruza, little has been uncovered in typical online genealogy records that are available for searching/viewing via FamilySearch, Ancestry, ..etc.
Some older records (pre 1600) are only available in person at major historical/genealogical libraries, institutions, private collections (manuscripts). Fortunately for those of us researching the Lopez de Elizalde families, the following works by some reputable genealogists/historians provide sufficient information to ascertain the lineage of the Lopez de Lizalde family who first appeared in the Lagos de Moreno (Jalisco), and Aguascalientes areas by the 1580's.
Three credible sources come to mind: Mariano Gonzalez-Leal, Jaime Holcombe, and Jose Luis Vasquez y Rodriguez de Frias.
1st Source - The following from the book: (by Mariano Gonzalez-Leal) Retonos de Espana en La Nueva Galicia, Tomo (book) V. Vol. 2 Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983. I have not obtained the book, but excerpts from the book are noted within some familysearch trees by other Lopez de Lizalde researchers. In Aguascalientes, Don Miguel Lopez de Elizalde provided info to the Mayor Francisco de Pareja y Rivera regarding his noble lineage. The source is noted as a las Minas y Real de los Ramos document from 24 July 1620. Pages 441-443 of the Retonos covers the elder Miguel Lopez de Elizalde (married to Leonor Aberruza) and son Juan Lopez de Elizalde family. The book is available for purchase at various book stores.
2nd Source - Jaime Holcombe, Mariano Gonzalez-Leal. The following from the website: Beyond Origins of NM families (website) based on a 1954 book "Origins of New Mexico Families, by Fray Angelico Chavez. The following is noted with reference to Cristobal de Arellano:
https://groups.google.com/g/genealogia-mexico/c/j0AjjvVADXI
Summary by José Antonio Esquibel
Researchers: Jaime Holcombe (1941-1995, Mexico) and Mariano González Leal.
Source: Chávez, "New Mexico Roots, Ltd.": 116, DM 1698, Aug. 1 (no.2), Santa Fe; Mariano González Leal, Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983), Charts 5 & 5b, and Vol. II: 328; Private correspondence from Jaime Holcombe with John B. Colligan.
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Ancestry of Cristóbal de Arellano:
The ancestry of Cristóbal de Arellano (ONMF: 133), husband of Graciana Romero, was compiled by the prominent Mexican genealogist Jaime Holcombe. Holcombe located the baptismal record of Cristóbal de Arellano, baptized 3 May 1665, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, son of Nicolás de Arellano and Leonor Fernández Becerra. Unexplainably, when Cristóbal sought to marry Graciana Romero (born circa 1680, daughter of Capitán Francisco Romero and doña Francisca Ramírez de Salazar), he named his mother as Leonor Ruiz de Esparza. In the diligencia record for this couple dated 1 August 1698, Santa Fe, Cristóbal gave his age as twenty-four and his birthplace as Aguascalientes. At the time, he was a soldier of the Santa Fe Presidio.
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Jaime Holcombe was able to connect Leonor Fernández Becerra into the genealogical research of another prominent Mexican genealogist, Mariano González Leal, who had published the genealogy of Leonor's parents in a book entitled Retoños de España en la Nueva Galicia (Universidad de Guanajuato: 1983). The combination of the research of these two genealogists produces a genealogy that extends to the mid-1500s in Nueva Galicia.
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Paternal lineage of Leonor Fernández Becerra:
1st generation: Martín Navarro married with Petronila de Moctezuma, their daughter,
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2nd generation: María de Gabay married with Pedro Fernández de Vaulus, their son,
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3rd generation: Juan Fernández de Vaulus married with Leonor Becerra, their daughter,
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4th generation: Leonor Fernández Becerra, married/veiled 12 July 1664, Aguascalientes, Nueva Galicia, with Nicolás de Arellano, their son,
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5th generation: Cristóbal de Arellano.
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Maternal lineage of Leonor Fernández Becerra:
1st generation Toribio Hernández de Arellano married with doña Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, their daughter,
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2nd generation: doña Ana Sánchez de Mendoza married 21 January 1585, Santa María de los Lagos, Nueva Galicia (Jalisco, Mexico), with Juan Becerra, their daughter,
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3rd generation: doña Leonor Becerra y Sánchez de Mendoza married with don Juan López Elizalde y Aberruza, native of Tolosa, Navarra, their daughter,
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4th generation: Leonor Becerra married with Juan Fernández de Vaulus y Gabay, their daughter,
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5th generation: Leonor Fernández Becerra married with Nicolás de Arellano, their son,
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6th generation: Cristóbal de Arellano.
3rd source - The following from the book: Genealogía de familias e historia del antiguo Nochistlán Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia En Siglo XVII Segun Sus Archivos Parroquiales. Jose Luis Vazquez y Rodriguez de Frias (Note: A large portion of this book is listed in our Files section under 'Reference Materials').
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Capitulo 81 (Page 236)
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Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza, originario de Tolusa, Navarra, fue hijo de Miguel Lopez de Elizalde y de Leonor de Aberruza; Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza fue hija de Juan Becerra y de Ana Sanchez de Mendoza, esta ultima hija de Toribio Hernandez de Arellano y de Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza hija de Inigo Lopez de Mendoza y Quinonez, Marques de Mondejar y de Maria Laso de Mendoza, ambos con sus ascendencias documentadas.
En el archivo historico de aguascalientes se encuentra un documento que menciona a juan lopez de lizalde, hijo de Nicolas Lopez de Lizalde, nieto de Miguel Lopez de Lizalde quien obtubo merced como primer poblador, quien vende a nicolas Valli (hijo de Diego Ballin (hijo de Geronimo Ballin y de Francisca de Herrera) y de Francisca de Esparza, esta ultima hija de Salvador de Esparza y Maria de Vielma), Archivo Historico de Aguascalientes, Caja 40, Exp. 9, No. 44.
Asi Mismo en los protocolos de Domingo Hernandez Cordero se encuentra el siguiente documento que menciana: Carta de Venta: "...como yo, Juan Lopez de Lizardi vecino y alcalde ordinario desta villa de Aguascalientes, otorgo que vendo a Pedro Fernandez de Valdez, vecino...unas casas que teno, en que al presente vivo, linde de unos solares de Nicolas Ramirez; asi mismo le vendo una estancia de ganado menor (438 hectareas), con las caballerias de tierra y demas a ello anexo y perteneciente, a media legua poco mas o menos desta villa, que llaman de la barranca, en el rrio del cuisillo. Donde entra en el, el rrio que llaman morsenique....todo por 200 pesos...testigos: Juan Bautista Conde y Mateo Mazias y Juan de Alvarado, vecinos" (Jorge Palomino y Candeo, Los Protocolos de Rodrigo Hernandez Codero 1585-1591, Banco Industrial de Jalisco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, 1972).
El 25 de Enero de 1585 en Santa Maria de los Lagos casaron Juan Lopez y Leonor Bezehra. Del matrimonio de Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza y de Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza se han documento los siguientes ocho vastagos.
1. Juan Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Maria Burgeno, 2nd Ana de Quesada.
2. Maria Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Juan de Luevana, 2nd Martin Ruiz de Esparza)
3. Juana Lopez de Elizalde (married Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza)
4. Beatris Lopez (married to Luis de Alvarado)
5. Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde (Married to Regina de Alvarado)
6. Miguel Lopez de Elizalde
7. Agustin Lopez de Elizalde (married to Maria de Espinoza)
8. Ysabel Lopez de Elizalde (married to Francisco Diaz Ruiz)
Rough English Translation:
Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza, originally from Tolosa, Navarre, was the son of Miguel Lopez de Elizalde and Leonor de Aberruza; Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza was the daughter of Juan Becerra and Ana Sanchez de Mendoza, the latter being the daughter of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano and Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, daughter of Iñigo Lopez de Mendoza y Quiñones, Marquis of Mondejar, and Maria Laso de Mendoza, both with documented ancestry.
In the historical archive of Aguascalientes, there is a document that mentions Juan Lopez de Lizalde, son of Nicolas Lopez de Lizalde, grandson of Miguel Lopez de Lizalde, who received a land grant as one of the first settlers, and who sells to Nicolas Valli (son of Diego Ballin (son of Geronimo Ballin and Francisca de Herrera) and Francisca de Esparza, the latter being the daughter of Salvador de Esparza and Maria de Vielma), Aguascalientes Historical Archive, Box 40, Exp. 9, No. 44.
Likewise, in the protocols of Domingo Hernandez Cordero, the following document is found: Bill of Sale: "...I, Juan Lopez de Lizardi, resident and ordinary mayor of this town of Aguascalientes, declare that I sell to Pedro Fernandez de Valdez, resident... some houses that I own, in which I currently live, bordering some plots of land belonging to Nicolas Ramirez; I also sell him a ranch for small livestock (438 hectares), with the corresponding land and everything else annexed and belonging to it, about half a league from this town, which is called La Barranca, on the Cuisillo River. Where the river called Morsenique flows into it... all for 200 pesos... witnesses: Juan Bautista Conde, Mateo Mazias, and Juan de Alvarado, residents" (Jorge Palomino y Candeo, The Protocols of Rodrigo Hernandez Cordero 1585-1591, Banco Industrial de Jalisco, Guadalajara, Jalisco, 1972).
On January 25, 1585, Juan Lopez and Leonor Bezehra were married in Santa Maria de los Lagos. The following eight children of Juan Lopez de Elizalde y Aberruza and Leonor Becerra y Sanchez de Mendoza have been documented:
1. Juan Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Maria Burgeno, 2nd Ana de Quesada)
2. Maria Lopez de Elizalde (married 1st Juan de Luevana, 2nd Martin Ruiz de Esparza)
3. Juana Lopez de Elizalde (married Jacinto Ruiz de Esparza)
4. Beatris Lopez (married to Luis de Alvarado)
5. Nicolas Lopez de Elizalde (married to Regina de Alvarado)
6. Miguel Lopez de Elizalde
7. Agustin Lopez de Elizalde (married to Maria de Espinoza)
8. Ysabel Lopez de Elizalde (married to Francisco Diaz Ruiz)
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