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I just posted a scan of a a 1760 map of the "Fronteras de Colotlan" that I obtained from Archivo General de Indias.

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16552

Sylvia Corona:

Encontre la siguiente informacion en el indice, IGI:

Edmundo Gregorio Lopez-Gutierrez, nacido: 20 nov 1884 en D.F.; fallecido: 03 mayo 1955 en D.F.; esposa: Maria Gallardo-Porras.

Edmundo Gregorio Lopez-Pancurst, fallecido: 03 mayo 1955; nacido 20 nov 1884 en D.F.; casado: 18 sep en Chih., Chihuahua.

Los datos los sometieron un socio de la iglesia de los mormones. Es decir que no se extrajeron de los documentos originales. Tal vez haya manera de averiguar mas al fondo por medio de otro indice. Ojala le sirva la informacion. Tuve tiempo de buscar ligeramente.

David, en Albany, CA

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>From: Sylvia Corona/Rcac
>Sent: Jul 24, 2007 9:51 AM
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] informacion sobre Pankurst, Lopez, Gutierrez
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>AAndo buscando a Edmundo Lopez Gutierres 1887, nacio en Guadalupe y
>bautizado en Zacatecas. Su madre Carmen Gutierrez.
>y a Eduardo Pankurst
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>Alguien sabe algo de ellos?
>Sylvia H Corona

Bill,

No he encontrado mucho sobre el apellido Tiscareno en Espana, excepto que existe el lugar Tiscar, en Jaen. Pero, al ver los apellidos de Jaen y Ubeda, Molina se presenta abundamente y parece ser nombre ilustre. Ver, por ejemplo, Maria de Molina y Francisco de los Cobos y Molina. Es posible alguna rama se enlazo con la familia de Juan Tiscareno y fue el origen del nombre compuesto Tiscareno de Molina.

Solamente un pensamiento....

Connie

---- Bill Figueroa wrote:

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Martin,

Que yo sepa, el primer Tiscareño que llegó a México fue Luis Tiscareño de
Molina. Se calcula que nació en Triana, Sevilla, España por el año de 1598.
Era hijo de Juan Tiscareño de Molina y de Elvira Márquez, probablemente
también originarios de Triana. No conozco el origen del nombre, pero me
imagino que es como tu dices, de ese lugar llamado Tiscar en Jaén, España.
Encontré el paso a Indias de otra persona con el apellido compuesto Torres
de Tiscareño, quien salió de España hacia el Perú en 1614. Ninguno de sus
padres llevaba el apellido Tiscareño, y al igual que nuestro ancestro, era
originario de Sevilla. Su partida aparece en el Archivo General de Indias
de la siguiente manera:

FECHA 1614-02-06 SIMON DE TORRES TISCAREÑO, natural de Sevilla, casado,
hijo de Alonso Sánchez de Olias y de Elvira de Fuentes, al Perú por
mercader. Información y licencia en CONTRATACION,5314,N.1,R.48,F.5v Véase
también CONTRATACION,5337,N.31 Véase también CONTRATACION,5339,N.28,F.3

Simón Torres de Tiscareño probablemente pasó a América antes que Luis
Tiscareño de Molina. Se me hace que el apellido es poco común en otras
partes del mundo. Yo nunca lo había oído hasta que empezé a investigar mi
genealogía en México. En Guatemala ese apellido no existe. Por si no la
has visto, el acta de matrimonio de Luis Tiscareño y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza
dice lo siguiente:

El 16 de Mayo de 1623 en la Estancia de Morcenique feligresía de
Aguascalientes casaron el Capitán Luis de Tiscareño de Molina y Márquez hijo
de Juan Tiscareño de Molina y de Elvira Márquez; y Lorenza Ruiz de Esparza y
de Gabáy, siendo padrinos Francisco San Joseph de Montes de Oca y Anna Ruiz
de Esparza su mujer, y siendo testigos...Fernández de Valadez y Francisco
Macías Valadez y Salvador Ruiz de Esparza.

Es todo por hoy, Martin. Si encuentro algo interesante te aviso.

Saludos,

Bill

Estimados todos. Hace unos meses Ricardo Rodríguez me hizo el inmenso favor de proporcionarme el nombre de mis tatarabuelos por parte de la familia Valdivia y Sánchez, por lo cual estoy muy agradecido. La curiosidad insaciable del historiador me lleva a pedirles su ayuda para poder conocer la historia de esas familias y de ser posible el nombre de mis antepasados.

Alguien tiene información de quienes fueron los primeros Valdivia en San Miguel el Alto y cual era su procedencia? Alguno de ustedes puede decirme quienes eran los padres de Cirila Sánchez Sánchez que casó con Juan Valdivia Moreno? ellos son mis bisabuelos, padres de Agustina Valdivia Sánchez que nació en San Miguel el Alto en febrero 20 de 1931.

Muchas gracias.

Saludos a todos.

Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez.
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Does anyone have any information on Sanchez Perales in Guanajuanto, Mexico?? He came over in 1910, married my grandmother Epifania Gonzales in Fort Collins, Colorado.? He said his father's name was Margarito Perales and mother was Tranquilina Sanchez from Guanajuanto.? If anyone has any information on where to look or have knowlege of this family please email me.(hillefresno@aol.com).? I've looked in the family search site also. Any help would be greatly appreciated.? Thank you.

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Does anyone have a good source for old newspaper Obituaries? I am looking for an obituary that would have been posted about six years ago.

Also, has anyone ever used this service:
http://oa.newsbank.com/oa-search/we/Archives/

The site charges per obituary and I wanted to find out if it was worth it before purchasing. Also, wanted to make sure the site was reputable.

Thanks in advance for any help,
Angie Godina

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You mean the Visigoths coming to Spain during the middle ages, right?

The Celts, according to this article (and others I have read) had settled
in Spain even prior to the Romans who came around 200 B.C.

What I found fascinating was the Greek settlement of Spain!

Esperanza
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> Christina,

I think Maureen's suggestion is a good one. In addition to the border
crossing records I would try the 1930 Mexican census. The images are
available online at: labs.familysearch.org

With any luck you might find his parents were still living in the area as
well as his siblings or other relatives. The city of Guanajuato has 364
pages of census records. You do have to register, but there is no charge.

Maria Cortez

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> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 14:46:32 -0800 (PST)
> From: Maureen Bejar
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sanchez Perales
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> Dear Christina:
> Have you tried ancestry.com and looked for Sanchez Perales's border
> crossing? Sometimes if you are lucky it lists the exact address in Mexico.
> If there is a library nearby with a genealogy center then they may have
> ancestry.com free of charge. Some of the LDS history centers also have
> ancestry.com. You need to have a more specific area, so you are not
> searching all over the entire state. I could not find Sanchez, Margarito or
> Tranguilina in familysearch and I did a search of the LDS library catalog
> for Guanajuanto and did not come up with anything either. Is Guanajuanto
> the correct spelling?
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> Maureen Bejar
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I am hoping I can once again request from this group some information. You have all been so helpful in the past. This is in honor of St. Paddy's day....the Spanish/Irish connection.

I spend my genealogical time between the Irish (mine) and the Spanish (my husband's) I constantly tease him that sooner or later I will find that we are related. We have some similar traits and sometimes that is good, but other times it causes conflicts. Anyway, I am descended from the O'Neill family in Northern Ireland on my maternal side. My great grandfather's name was Hugh O'Neill and my grandmother used to tell us tales of the great Hugh O'Neill. We always thought it was ...you know....just fairy tales. Well, although somewhat embellished, some of her stories are in rare historical books. Anyway, out of curiousity, I started researching the Spanish Armada. Hugh O'Neill (not my great grandfather, but the famous one) was linked to this. Then I found out that many ships from the Armada were wrecked along the Northern Ireland coast. A couple quite close to my paternal ancestor, Owen Gallagher's home of Rosbeg, Donegal Ireland. Some accounts say that most of the soldiers in the ships drowned or were killed by the Irish or interrogated and hung by the English. Other accounts say that some Irish people hid some of the survivors and they eventually made it back to Spain. (I have another link to send with an interesting description of the Irish by one of the survivors, will send later)

Anyway, I am getting long winded here, but I came across a google book mentioning a familiar last name for this group.... Hurtado Mendoza (see page 107 on the link below) Hope this link works, if not let me know and I will give you a phrase from the book that will allow you to search.

http://books.google.com/images/cleardot.gif

Thought you Mendoza fans might like this.

Now for my question, does anyone know if the Spanish kept records of names their survivors and how they survived to come back to Spain? Where might I get my hands on some information on this subject?

Maureen Bejar nee Gallagher

Sounds like Guanajuato, Guanajuato... The city in the state.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Out of curiosity I went to the Archivos de Simanca and typed in 'armada'. I received a response asking for a more detailed/specific request. Remember there was more than one armada sent against England. The survivor you mention is named Cuellar. He was one of the senior officers of the operation. You could query his name. Include the date with the word 'armada'. I have never researched the Simanca archives. It really isn't one of my interests. Good luck....

David in Albany, CA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Maureen Bejar
>Sent: Feb 24, 2008 8:41 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PARES and Spanish Armada
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>I went in to the English translated page of PARES and did a search on Armada date 1588 and it produced no results. Am I doing something incorrectly?
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>Also here is the paper from Hiram Morgan on the Spanish Armada and the Irish. At the end is the translated excerpt from one of the survivors.
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>http://www.stm.unipi.it/Clioh/tabs/libri/1/14-Morgan(10).pdf
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>Also, here is the website with Sir Francis Drake's account:
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>http://www.britishbattles.com/spanish-war/spanish-armada.htm
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>Both quite interesting.
>
>Maureen Bejar

Hola Everybody, I told that Diego Padilla Davila 's (son of Lorenzo Padilla Davila y Machicao and Mariana Temino de Velasco) WIFE -Ana de La Mota y Vera Parents were Jewish converts .I thought it stated in the book of Mariano Gonzalez Leal 's book Retonos de Nueva Espana. Any body have knowledge of this info.
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Francisco Reynoso hijo de Francisco Reynoso( de Peru) y Marian Padilla Davila y Velasco.> Ronnie Reynoso casi pariente a todos de Los altos> From: georgio_2386@hotmail.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:45:11 -0600> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION> > > Hola Lupita, me da gusto que hayas encontrado esta p?gina. Cada vez somos mas personas quienes compartimos encestros en los Altos de Jalisco y sobre todo el inter?s de conocer nuestras ra?ces ancestrales. > > Yo vivo en Tepatitl?n de Morelos, Jalisco, pero al igual que tu, tengo ancestros en casi toda la regi?n; Ca?adas de Obreg?n, Valle de Guadalupe, Jalostotitl?n, San Miguel el Alto, San Juan de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Teocaltiche, Ocotl?n, Nochistl?n, etc.> > Entre los apellidos que encuentro entre mis ancestros est?n los Ram?rez de Hermosillo, G?mez Hurtado de Mendoza, D?az de Le?n, Dom?nguez, Gonz?lez Rubio, Gonz?lez de Hermosillo, Mart?n del Campo, Mart?n de Sotomayor, de la Mora Hurtado de Mendoza, Gallardo, Padilla D?vila, Aranda, de Luna, Ibarra, Guti?rrez Coron> ado, Romero de Ch?vez, Hern?ndez Gami?o, P?rez Franco, Franco de Paredes, Casillas y Cabrera, L?pez de Elizalde, Ruiz de Esparza, Gallegos, Mu?oz de Nava, Becerra, Santa Cruz, Guajardo, de Aceves, Rodr?guez de Portugal, G?mez de Portugal, Guti?rrez de Hermosillo, Guti?rrez de Mendoza, Guti?rrez Rubio, Mu?oz de Hermosillo, Rodr?guez de Fr?as, Gonz?lez de H?jar, Rodr?guez de H?jar, de la Torre Ledezma, Delgadillo, Vallejo, Cornejo, Covarrubias, Arias Maldonado, Gonz?lez de Rubalcava, Villalobos, de Anda Altamirano, de la C?mara y Menoyo, Mar?n de Pe?aloza, de Loza, Fern?ndez de Rueda, Castellanos, Valdivia, Torres, de Ochoa Garibay, Navarro Gayt?n, Ort?z de Z?rate, Plascencia, Lozano Isla, Gil, Mac?as Valadez, Estrada Bocanegra, Cort?s, Ruiz de Velasco, Espa?a, Sonora, Ulloa, Sigala, de Alba, Carvajal de Ulloa, de Le?n, Murgu?a, Cano, Montes, de la Paz y Castro, Tello de Orozco, Camarena, Romo de Vivar, Vel?zquez, Ram?rez de Mendoza, Mu?oz de la Barba, Vargas Machuca, Enr?quez> del Castillo, Marentes de Otaduy, Reynoso y Renter?a, Quijas y Escalante, Bracamonte, ??iguez, etc.> > En lo que pueda ayudarte estoy a tus ?rdenes.> Saludos.Jorge Luis Ram?rez G?mez.> _________________________________________________________________> Participa en nanometrajes y gana grandes premios> http://cine.prodigymsn.com/nanometraje> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:20:44 +0000> From: Lester Alvarado > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] de Luna> To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > > Hi there ,> > I have de Luna in my line she was Maria Pasquala de Luna married to Juan de Alvarado thier son Jose Antonio Candelario Alvarado de Luna was my Great great great Grandfather , Candelario was born 10th of Feb.1792 in Saltillo , Coahuila and married Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez in Villa de Sanitago , Nuevo Leon 26 of Oct 1844 . 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Hola a todos,

Quería ver si alguien del grupo tiene información acerca del matrimonio
entre Juan Nepomuceno Rodríguez y Marsela de los Dolores Alvarez Tostado y
Maciel. Supongo que ellos se casaron en Jalostotitlán aproximadamente entre
1770 y 1790. Los hijos que he encontrado son los siguientes:

JOSEF MARÍA RODRÍGUEZ, nacido o bautizado el 1 de Mayo de 1790 en Arandas

JESÚS MARÍA RODRÍGUEZ, nacido o bautizado el 29de Julio de 1795 en San
Miguel el Alto

Al parecer, Marsela de los Dolores de San Joseph Alvarez Tostado y Maciel
fue hija de Joseph Calletano Alvarez Tostado y de Juana María Maciel
Alvarez, y ella nació o fue bautizada el 1 de Marzo de 1755.

De Juan Nepomuceno Rodríguez no tengo más información y es lo que estoy
buscando. Agradezco mucho si alguien podría decirme si tiene a esta persona
en su base de datos o si sabe algo acerca de él. Tengo varias pistas pero
ninguna con evidencia concreta.

Quedo a las ordenes de todos ustedes para lo que se ofrezca de la región de
Los Altos, específicamente de Valle de Guadalupe.

Saludos,

Ricardo Rodríguez Camarena

Valle de Guadalupe, Jalisco

In the last few weeks, I accumulated a lot of new ancestors for my parents ELIAS DE LEON and MARIA CARLOS.

Thanks to you, my Family Tree has reached 12 generations in many of my ancestral branches! There are over 1,200 individuals and almost 400 surnames!

I also added some other ancestor names in the hope of finding a cousin here.

In particular, since I have no known living descendant DE LEON cousin, I would like to find that individual for a big hug and kiss!

Daniel,

I'll be glad to share! After all, sharing and consulting with each other
are central reasons for our participating in this forum.

At this time, I'am in the middle of restructuring/re-entering the data that
I have into one revised database (including sources for all entries); but,
with a few days, I should give you a specific response.

Efrain

> [Original Message]
> From: Daniel Mendez
> To:
> Date: 2/18/2008 10:07:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Reynoso/Conrique mutual
linkageswith Hurtado de Mendoza lines, and others ..
>
>
> Efra

Ronnie,

My research notes confirm the 6 marriage entries in your message, today.

Also, as you stated, the convoluted relationships that resulted from the
marriages of siblings in one family marrying siblings in another family and
then, descendants of those marriages (third-, second- and sometimes
first-cousins) inter-marrying again (which commonly happened among the
founding Spanish families in Los Altos) can be sometimes difficult to
define. I can keep them starlight using a couple of comprehensive
genealogy software programs that do it for me. I use Legacy Family Tree
from Millennia, in conjunction with PAF from Family Search.org

What software program(s) do you use?

As to my linkages to Toribio Hernandez the Arellano (and the Hurtado de
Mendoza line):
They derive primarily (with some multiplicities here and elsewhere as noted
above) from Sebastian Ramirez de Mendoza (born about 1608) marrying Maria
Hermosillo about 1633, in Jalostotitlan.

Sebastian was the son of Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza and Gonzalo Ramirez de
Arellano, who married about 1607 in Jalostotitlan.

Isabel was the daughter of Rodrigo de Olivares and Maria Hurtado de
Mendoza. They married about 1588 in Lagos de Moreno.

Maria was the daughter of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano and Isabel Hurtado
de Mendoza (shown repeatedly on the records as Isabel Velasco).

Isabel and Toribio also had 2 other daughters:
Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza, who married Alvaro Ornelas in Lagos de Moreno on
October 29, 1586; - - - and Marta de Mendoza, who married Juan Sanchez de
Lara on January 6, 1587.

Sebastian (above) was the Great Grandfather of Dona Maria Juana Inez
Maldonado Lozano (born 2 March 1727 in San Juan de los Lagos) who married
Don Francisco Conrique, my 6G Grandfather.

So, as you say, somos primos, ....and I look forward to hearing from you
again !

Efrain Conrique
San Diego, California

> [Original Message]
> From: Ronald Reynoso
> To:
> Date: 2/17/2008 1:26:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos Primos
>
>
> Hola Efrain,Its kind of hard to tell how I tie in with Isabel Hurtado de
Mendoza and Toribio Hernandez de Arellano. I can give you a round about
number, its a mess .
> Isabel and Toribio 2 daughters---
> 1)Maria hurtado de Mendoza Married to Rodrigo Olivares
> 4 daughters -
> a)Isabel Olivares la Menor married to Juan Jimenez
> 2 of this couple children are my ancestors
>
> b) Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza married to Luis Padilla Davila
> 1 child of this couple are my ancestor
>
> c) Catalina de Mendoza married to Manuel Gomez
> 2 of this couple are my ancestors
>
> d) Francisca Hurtado de Mendoza married to Francisco Gutierrez Rubio
> 2 of this couple are my ancestors plus through their children
>
> 2) Isabel Sanchez de Mendoza married to Alvaro Ornelas
> 1 child of this couple os my ancestor
>
> Efrain ,I'm not counting because I get confused ,I also have more
ancestor hook up via through the children of the people have
mentioned.This is just fraction of the confusion or mess I have in my
backround .There is so much intermarriage in my backround its mind
boggling,so when I sign off saying ---Ronnie Reynoso pariente acasi todos
de Los Altos de Jalisco ---I pretty close .
> I probably related to almost every major Founder of all of the towns in
Los Altos . I would venture to say I'm probably related to almost every
body in Nuestros Ranchos that have ancestors in the Los Altos area. To me
this is kind of freaky/wierd but if it didn't happen this way I would not
have been born ,so I guess I really can't complain for the actions of my
ancestors.
> I await your reply
> Ronnie Reynoso pariente acsi todos de Los Altos
> SOMOS PRIMOS
>
> > From: conrique1@earthlink.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date:
Sat, 16 Feb 2008 19:27:40 -0800> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos
Primos> > Ronald,> > I am familiar with Inclan's research and it is well
respected.> > Also, and independent of Inclan's research, I can confirm
through my own> research in my family tree, that Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza
(aka Isabel> Velasco de Mendoza and wife of Toribio Hernandez de Arellano)
was the> daughter of Ana Maria de Cardenas Francisco Hurtado de Mendoza,
Marquez de> Almazan... ... and on and on for many generations.> > Where do
you tie in with this line?> > Efrain Conrique> San Diego, California> > > >
[Original Message]> > From: Ronald Reynoso > > To:
research@nuestrosranchos.org > > Date:
2/16/2008 12:08:48 PM> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Somos Primos> >> >> >
Hola a todos de Nuestros Ranchos. I was browsing at www.somosprimos.com>
went to the search block and put- padilla
> davila. I then scrolled to > Descendents of Lord Pedro Gonzalez de
Mendoza,compiled by John D Inclan. I> appears according to what I read that
I and many if not all of us are> related to all of the people of Mexico
,Texas,and New Mexico. John Inclans> research touches much of Jalisco
,Zacatecas ,Aguascalientes ,All the north> eastern states of Mexico
,Texas,and New Mexico. I was was tripping. If any> one has an e-mail to
John D Inclan I would like to ask him if any of the> Hurtado de Mendoza are
tha same as an in example of Isabel Hurtado de> Mendoza wife of Toribio
Hernandez de Arellano. I was wondering also what> you members opinion of
John Inclan research .> > Ronnie Reynoso > > pariente acasi todos de Los
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I don't think this ISabel and Isabel Velasco de Mendoza are the same person. Because The velasco one was married to Luis Carillo. Isabel Velasco would have been born ca. 1565, our Isabel should have been born ca. 1535-40 at least. Francisco, Marqés of Almacan was born ca. 1530 so these two are not the same people. I think were better off with Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, who settled in Los Altos.

Thank you for welcoming me to this wonderful group of genealogists, and want to thank personally David Mitchell and his wife Irma Romo Mitchell for recommending me. This is my 11th year of research into the state of Jalisco specifically into Encarcion De Diaz, Aguascalientes and Caqistle from which my Romo (De Vivar) lineage comes from, so my goal is to link my roots from Mexico to Spain.

In my quest I was fortunate to find a friend ( possibly family) in the Mitchell's as we believe that through the Romo journey to California is where my ggreat grandfather possibly and one of the Mitchell's ancestor re related. I am thankful that the Mitchell's/Romo's In Pomona have invited me to meet with them at share our family's history next Saturday.

Once again thank you all for the privilege to Join.

Respectfully

Mr. & Mrs. Dennis Duke Romo

Romo (De Vivar) - Gomez-Beltran-Gonzales and Nejara.

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Well, this is definitely good to know. I didn't know all of this before,
the origins of these two names, San Juan de los Lagos and Lagos de Moreno.
So, that means, my ancestors are definitely from Lagos de Moreno, before
they were in Guadalajara. And, before that? Well, that will take some more
searching.

Thank-you, everyone! Gracias, Gracias!
Corrine
Santa Maria, California

Hey who wants to work with me to contact the folks that are organizing this conference? I'd love to contact them and ask that they record the audio of the presentations so that those in other parts of the world that have interest in the content can also appreciate the good information. If you want to help me translate a request I'd be willing to do the rest.

thanks,

joseph

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Subject: Conference in Ramos Arizpe
Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 05:39:25 -0600
From: larry kirkpatrick

GOBIERNO DEL ESTADO DE COAHUILA

SECRETARIA DE GOBIERNO
ARCHIVO GENERAL DEL ESTADO

TERCERA CONFERENCIA BINACIONAL DE HISTORIA FAMILIAR

THIRD BINATIONAL FAMILY HISTORY CONFERENCE

Viernes 7 de marzo de 2008

8:00 A.M. a 18:30 P.M.

El Archivo General del Estado estará atendiendo a los investigadores de historia familiar

18:30 hrs. Inscripciones. Sede: American Hotel-Express. Ramos Arizpe

19:30 hrs. Ceremonia de Inauguración a cargo del

Prof. Humberto Moreira Valdés

Gobernador Constitucional del Estado de Coahuila

Conferencia Magistral

Familias de Zacatecas, pobladoras del noreste

Dr. José Enciso Contreras

Catedrático de la Universidad Autónoma de Zacatecas

Cronista de la ciudad de Zacatecas

Miembro de número del Colegio Coahuilense de Investigaciones Históricas

Concierto

Guitarras de Cámara

Universidad Autónoma de Coahuila

Vino de Honor

Sometimes, in my research, when it says where a person is from, it will just
say "Lagos." Do they mean San Juan de los Lagos, or Lagos de Moreno? I am
trying to figure out which direction to head for my ancestral research and
don't know which way to go.

Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California

Maybe history and folklore/jokes get mixed up...here is a joke I heard long
time ago about priests and traveling.

Once, when priests traveled from small towns to small towns, he stopped at
this woman's house who always hosted him upon his arrival. She was poor, but
always had a plate of beans waiting for him. He would think these beans were
the best beans in the world.

When he would come back to his "hometown", he told the cook about the
wonderful beans he had tasted in the other village. Well the cook tried to cook
beans in many different ways, but the priest insisted they were not like the
ones he had tasted in the village.

So the cook went to see this famous woman who made these wonderful beans.
When the cook asked the woman how she made the beans, she was surprised to
learn that the recipe was exactly as her own. She could not understand, and
exclaimed as much.

The woman laughed heartily. She said the real secret is that he would
travel so far to get to her home, that he was VERY hungry. Naturally, he thought
the beans were the best because he was so hungry.

So the cook went back home, and had not cooked for the priest for a full
day. The next day, the cook made the beans, like usual. The priest exclaimed:
you got it...you found the secret recipe.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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