Margarita;

My great grandfather and ggmother were from Jerez, Zacatecas. I wonder,
is it a big town ? Francisco Macias and his wife Leonarda Ramirez are and
have always been a mystery to me. My Aunt told me that they visited them in
Zacatecas when they were little and that the Macias's lived on a farm there.
I wonder if you know some one that is there now that I can correspond
with to ask about them.

Jose Macias
usa20@...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Margarita Vallazza"

To: 
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ranchos] FOOD:Mole/Pipian/Genealogy

My dad's mother was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and she died just before my
sixth birthday so I don't have a lot of memories of her but here's one
or two:

I remember her fixing something called atole, which I didn't like, but
remembering it from a fog of some years' distance, I would say it's a
healthy drink.  She also had prunes in her oatmeal, so when I'd pop in

It's all regional:
Funny, if you ask the people from Zacatecas if their
food tastes better, 99% will tell you that there is
food is much better.  And if ask the people of Jalisco
if their food tastes better, 99% will tell you that
their food is better.  To me, the Mexican food here in
California is the best (But I won't tell that to my
wife).

Alberto.

--- Alicia Carrillo  wrote:

> Irma,
>  
> Jalostitlan and Tlachichila Zacatecas are only about
> 2 hours from each other so I''m sure that many foods
> are very similar, this must be one of those foods.
>  
> Alicia
> 
> Irma GomezLucero  wrote:
> Alicia,
>     You're making me hungry.  My parents used to
> make the agua fresca w/ lettuce & fruits. 
> Unfortunately we didn't appreciate it because of the
> lettuce.  My folks are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
> Irma
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------
> From: Alicia Carrillo [mailto:alliecar@...] 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:48 PM
> To: ranchos

St. Xavier is near the Alameda and Piasano streets
that are just west of Washington Park.  Most of the
old homes have been torn down (probably because the
area was becoming a slum area).  Nearby, there is a 6
lane bridge crossing over to Juarez.  From the bridge
you can see St. Xavier. 

Most of people that lived in the St. Xavier church
area were originally from Chihuahua, such as my
mother's family, and many were from Zacatecas/Durango,
such as my father's family.  The great majority of the
people were very poor, but their sons and daughters
eventually made the core of our great generation--hard
working, outstanding citizens.  Many of the second
generation want on to become doctors, lawyers,
engineers, actors (Antony Quinn, Gilbert Roland),
teachers, politicians, war heros, and athletics (Ted
Williams mother was from there).

The next generation will even be greater!

Alberto.



--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Where is St. Xavier's?  I don't recall ever hearing
>

Where is St. Xavier's? I don't recall ever hearing the name. I used
to go to Sacred Heart and then after we moved when I was 8 to Little
Flower (over by Lakeside Shopping Center) and finally to St. Joseph's
which was the closest Catholic church near our house when we lived near
5 points. Don't y'all just love this conversation? I do! Marge:)
On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

> Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias
> clan members in El Paso if you go to the old
> neighborhood and search for them. 
>
> Your grandfather was probably well know in the old
> barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old
> barrio and he probably knew some of

Where is St. Xavier's? I don't recall ever hearing the name. I used to go to Sacred Heart and then after we moved when I was 8 to Little Flower (over by Lakeside Shopping Center) and finally to St. Joseph's which was the closest Catholic church near our house when we lived near 5 points. Don't y'all just love this conversation? I do! Marge:)

On Jun 29, 2005, at 10:06 AM, Alberto Duarte wrote:

Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias

clan members in El Paso if you go to the old

neighborhood and search for them. 



Your grandfather was probably well know in the old

barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old

barrio and he probably knew some of your relatives.



As far as finding your Macias family in Zacatecas, you

can find them if you have a plan.  I found many of my

Duarte ancestors by tracing them them from Mapimi,

Durango, to Jerez, Zacatecas, and eventually, to other

parts of Zacatecas.  In fact, I believe my

greatggggfather was probably the

Alicia,

    You're making me hungry.  My parents used to make the agua fresca w/ lettuce & fruits.  Unfortunately we didn't appreciate it because of the lettuce.  My folks are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.

Irma

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From: Alicia Carrillo [mailto:alliecar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:48 PM
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Re: Tamales and mole

Esperanza,

 

These tamales were a recent addition to our family that is within the last 25 years or so. We learned that from the families in Ensenada.

 

My mom is and has always been an excellent cook but she didn't make tamales with all these ingredients. I believe that in addition to economics, family culture also is very telling in how a family cooks and eats.

 

In my mom's family, everyone prides themselves

Jose, you can probably find or contact your Macias
clan members in El Paso if you go to the old
neighborhood and search for them.  

Your grandfather was probably well know in the old
barrio.  My uncle Jesus Duarte still lives in the old
barrio and he probably knew some of your relatives.

As far as finding your Macias family in Zacatecas, you
can find them if you have a plan.  I found many of my
Duarte ancestors by tracing them them from Mapimi,
Durango, to Jerez, Zacatecas, and eventually, to other
parts of Zacatecas.  In fact, I believe my
greatggggfather was probably the patriarch of the
Duarte clan in Zacatecas!

Use the Mormon library to gather your genealogical
information.  Get a microfiche copy of all the Macias
in Zacatecas and start researching them one by one,
starting with those with the same first and last name
of your grandfather's.  

Don't over look any Macias, no matter what part of
Zacatecas they came from.  Believe me, the chance of
you being related to them is very