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Can Someone Collect the Songs?????

I love these songs. Can someone look at the messages from a few days
ago and collect all the songs into one message and send them to me.
I'll make up a file and put it in the files of Ranchos2.



thanks,



joseph



Steve G. Apodaca wrote:

I actually heard that song when I was a kid in Mexico, but a little 
bit different. It went something like this:

Acerrin, acerran,
los maderos de San Juan,
piden pan y no les dan,
piden queso y les dan hueso,
se les atora en el pescuezo,
y se ponen a llorar.

Steve A.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Irma GomezLucero  
wrote:
  
How about the following song sung to children who are sitting on 
    
your lap,
  
being rocked back and forth, while holding on to their arms :
 
Riqui ran, riqui ran,
Los maderos de San Juan, 
piden pan, no les dan.
Les dan un palo detras del pezqueso. (this is when you let go of 
    
one of
  
their arms, and do a gentle chopping on the back of their neck)
 
My

Tamales and mole

Esperanza,
 
These tamales were a recent addition to our family that is within the last 25 years or so. We learned that from the families in Ensenada.
 
My mom is and has always been an excellent cook but she didn't make tamales with all these ingredients. I believe that in addition to economics, family culture also is very telling in how a family cooks and eats.
 
In my mom's family, everyone prides themselves in their culinary skills. My mother is renowned for her mole, pozole, tortas de camaron con nopales, capirotada, all types of atoles. Atole de piña, de maizcena, atole blanco etc. My mom has this great dish that she makes called patas de puerco en salsa cruda. It's labor intensive but oh sooo good. She makes this agua fresca with romaine lettuce, fresh orange slices, lemon slices, sugar and yerba buena and other fruits if desired and is served only in the summer when it's very hot. She lets the ingredients sit in the very cold water for a couple of hours and is served in a tall

Immigrant stories in Rain of Gold

In the book, Rain of Gold Victor Villasenior recounts his family's struggles when they leave Mexico. Some of the major struggles were not when they arrived in California but when they were in Mexico beginning in Los Altos de Jalisco and on to Chihuahua and at the borders with Mexico/United States.
 
He gives such vivid and compelling stories of the hardships they encountered all along the way. He describes how the Americans who ran the mines exploited the natives and how the mothers and abuelas managed to hold the families together when the men left to come to the US in search of a better life. I think most of us can relate to this either as a personal experience or experienced by our parents, grandparents or great grandparents.
 
I highly recommend this book to all of you if you haven't already read it. See comments below from Amazon.com.
 
Alicia
 
From Publishers Weekly
Novelist ( Macho ) and screenwriter Villasenor recounts the adventures and struggles of three generations of his

Racial Classifications

Gloria

She send you an E-mail and says no reply recieved. You
can send mail at this address. 

Jose

--- glo Sandoval-Fuentes 
wrote:

> Jose 3 of your spouses names are my names also, is
> she on this group also?
> 
> gloria
> 
>                ~~glo~~
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: jose munoz 
> Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:24:50 -0700 (PDT)
> 
> I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
> messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
> hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
> example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy
> of
> the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
> baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather
> baptized
> as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
> apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.
> 
> I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
> Because of Grandma's Green

Pinole

Emile, things were so rough for Mexicans in Hollywood
in the 20's thru the 50's, that Mexicans were not
given jobs on the sets, but they were not even allowed
on the grounds!  So for anyone of us to make in
Hollywood at that time, we had to be great and
cunning. That only shows you who are God's chosen
people; but we still have a long ways to go.

Alberto.

--- Emilie Garcia  wrote:

> Alberto,
> 
> My husband Tony was the great-grandson of guero
> espanol-mexicanos from Jalisco who did well after
> settling in El Paso after 1895. They owned grocery
> stores, butcher shops, taxi companies, bakeries and
> auto repair shops.  Had his parents not divorced, he
> would still be there attending Catholic schools and
> colleges, like his cousins who have remained there
> to this day and are teachers and engineers, etc. 
> Only his great-great-grandfather, his second wife,
> and one son moved to Los Angeles in 1930.  Tony
> tells me that his life in El Paso was great.  He
>

Alberto Duarte and the St. Xavier catholic church in El Paso

Alberto;

What an interesting memory! My Grandparents, (Feliciano and Rosa
Macias) donated the land to the church on which St. Xavier Catholic church
was built. Most of my aunts and uncles were married there. I was looking for
a relative and found the name in the records of marriage there. My Aunt
Aurora told me that it was not surprising and that I would find her and her
sisters there also. That was news to me.


My grandparents lived and died there in El Paso. My Macias line starts
there for me and it was nice to see your entry about that area. My dad,
Felix Macias, met and married my mom here in Los Angeles. I have never been
to El Paso, though most all of my branch of the Macias line still lives
there. I don't know where my El Paso relatives live there and know no one
there that could tell me where to look. I have a brick wall where it comes
to my great grand father -Francisco Macias because he is from somewhere in
Zacatecas. He had a ranch/farm there and that

Other Ranchos Info FYI

Hello:

Indeed, Tangancicuaro is a municipio in the state of Michoacan. It 
is located very close to the city of Zamora. Last year, my 
girlfriend and I drove all the way from Jalisco to Patzcuaro, 
Michoacan. We stopped at several places in Michoacan, and one of 
them was the lake of Camecuaro in Tangancicuaro. Beautiful place. 

So Tangancicuaro is not in Jalisco. All names that end up in -cuaro 
have their origin on Purepecha, the ancient language of Michoacan.

By the way, do a google image search on "Tangancicuaro" 
or "Camecuaro" to see the beautiful images in that municipio.

Saludos,

Steve

PS. I apologize for getting out of the target area with this 
message. 

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Erlinda Castanon-Long 
 wrote:
> Steve, I caught the name Tangancicuaro in your message.  Is that a 
city or a lake?  I have an ancestor who's marriage record says she 
is from Tangancicuaro and I can't find it in Jalisco? Could this be 
what I've been looking for, a

Other Ranchos Info FYI

Steve, I caught the name Tangancicuaro in your message.  Is that a city or a lake?  I have an ancestor who's marriage record says she is from Tangancicuaro and I can't find it in Jalisco? Could this be what I've been looking for, a different state!
thank you, Linda

"Steve G. Apodaca" wrote:

I checked those CD's, too. The DVD's (Jalisco and Michoacan) give a
lot of information about some of the ranchos on the states. They
missed some places, like Tapalpa and Sayula in Jalisco, or the lake of
Tangancicuaro in Michoacan, but in general it is worth it. Some songs
are nice, but they had to chose better performers in some of them.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire"
wrote:
> I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
> It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
> Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny
was
> born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD

Other Ranchos Info FYI

I checked those CD's, too. The DVD's (Jalisco and Michoacan) give a 
lot of information about some of the ranchos on the states. They 
missed some places, like Tapalpa and Sayula in Jalisco, or the lake of 
Tangancicuaro in Michoacan, but in general it is worth it. Some songs 
are nice, but they had to chose better performers in some of them.

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Maria Hilda Mosqueda McGuire" 
 wrote:
> I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
> It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
> Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny 
was
> born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD caminos de
> (city you are interested in) showing the towns in that state, I 
really
> enjoyed viewing it and learning a little bit about that state.It's
> like a mini tourist infomercial. Check it out. Hilda



Pinole

Alberto,
 
My husband Tony was the great-grandson of guero espanol-mexicanos from Jalisco who did well after settling in El Paso after 1895. They owned grocery stores, butcher shops, taxi companies, bakeries and auto repair shops.  Had his parents not divorced, he would still be there attending Catholic schools and colleges, like his cousins who have remained there to this day and are teachers and engineers, etc.  Only his great-great-grandfather, his second wife, and one son moved to Los Angeles in 1930.  Tony tells me that his life in El Paso was great.  He lived like a little prince, and all that came to an end when his mother became a single mom with three kids in Northern California.
 
Yes, lots of families moved to California in the twenties, thirties and forties and after after the war.(WWII)  My father who had immigrated from Jerez, Zac. moved us from our farm in Colorado to Northern California (San Jose) in 1947 where he could work as a welder for Westinghouse and make good