I actually heard that song when I was a kid in Mexico, but a little 
bit different. It went something like this:

Acerrin, acerran,
los maderos de San Juan,
piden pan y no les dan,
piden queso y les dan hueso,
se les atora en el pescuezo,
y se ponen a llorar.

Steve A.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Irma GomezLucero  
wrote:
> How about the following song sung to children who are sitting on 
your lap,
> being rocked back and forth, while holding on to their arms :
>  
> Riqui ran, riqui ran,
> Los maderos de San Juan, 
> piden pan, no les dan.
> Les dan un palo detras del pezqueso. (this is when you let go of 
one of
> their arms, and do a gentle chopping on the back of their neck)
>  
> My parents have done this with all of their grandchildren.  The 
children
> used to laugh with glee even though they didn't understand Spanish.
>  
> Has anyone else heard this rocking song?
> Just wondering...
> Irma
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Emilie Garcia [mailto:auntyemfaustus

Jose 3 of your spouses names are my names also, is she on this group also?

gloria

              ~~glo~~





From: jose munoz 
Reply-To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
To: ranchos@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [ranchos] Racial Classifications
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 23:24:50 -0700 (PDT)

I'm new to this group and read many of the groups
messages.. In my family lines there were hijo and
hijas naturales along with hijo/hijas legitimos. For
example 3 naturals out of family 12. I have a copy of
the Church Marriage Record.... so why a natural
baptism for 3 of them. I have a gggrandfather baptized
as a Don? Why at birth is someone named a don? Heir
apparent? Laborers, Sirvientes, miners.

I have a family line who think they are French. Why?
Because of Grandma's Green eyes! The truth of the
matters is they can not accept the fact they are
Indian decent mixed with espanoles.

I'm Mexican, born and raised in the U.S., and I'm
proud to be Mexican. My 4th greatgrandfather was
espanol

OK, Joseph.

I'll wait while you revise the text.  If you already have something 
worked out with John, I think he can manage the translation on his 
own with no problem.  Of course, if any of you want my opinion just 
let me know.

Victor

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
> Victor thanks,
> 
> I have something worked out with John Gonzalez and I would like to 
> include you in it as well if you both don't mind. I would like 
for "me" 
> to try to translate it.I'll do it in sections and I'll then send 
both 
> you and John the section . You guys can email each other until you 
both 
> are in agreement which translated version is easiest for most 
Spanish 
> speakers to understand. then we'll move on to the next section.
> 
> Marge Vallazza is going to do the English upgrade so it will be a 
little 
> while before I have my first section done.
> 
> thanks for the offer and when I'm ready I'll privately send you and 
John 
> the first section
> 
> thanks

I want to recommend a CD/DVD I recently purchased from Univision.com;
It is called Mexico en la Sangre, and they have one on Jalisco,
Michoacan and Puebla. I bought the one from Michoacan as my granny was
born there. It has songs from that state as well a DVD caminos de
(city you are interested in) showing the towns in that state, I really
enjoyed viewing it and learning a little bit about that state.It's
like a mini tourist infomercial. Check it out. Hilda 

We lived in a one room apartment near Washington Park,
across the street from St. Xavier Catholic church. 
The apartment was a dump (dirt floors) with the
bathroom aside shared with other tenants. We were a
very poor family, there were six of us counting my
grandmother.

El Paso at that time offered zero opportunities for
Mexican-Americans, so my dad moved all of us the Los
Angeles. There were many families from El Paso that
moved to Los Angeles back in the early '40s, including
one by the name of Antony Quinn who later won a couple
of Oscars-you see, we can make it if only given the
opportunity.

Alberto.
--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Where did you live in El Paso at that time?  I lived
> across from Sacred 
> Heart Church and School for the first 8 years of my
> life.  As a kid, I 
> hated going across the border because it was so
> unfamiliar to be and 
> because of all the noise, the exotic odors, the
> beggars, and the 
> language.  I was always afraid