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Avila Huizar

Need help, can't find any info on my great grandfather or anyone before him.  I was told that my great grandfather Alfredo used his mother's maiden name Avila and Huizar - Paternal - Alfredo Avila Huizar from Jerez, Zacatecas. Anyone with info or where to look please do so.  I would greatly appreciate it. 

 

Bracamontes came out in my search

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Go to https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKMP-TG6L

Look at the top left corner to look at the page number of the image  

Image 793

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-998B-F9LV?view=index&action=view

And  then click twice on the arrow on the middle right to go to image 795    

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L98B-F9GN?view=index&action=view


Rick A.  Ricci

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Hi,

In your very first post, you asked for help/assistance of areas to look into.  All I have are suggestions, and a little extra info on the family from border crossing slide 795. 

First,

I have no known relationships to this Avila family, which is the family (listed on border crossing slide 795) that appears in the 1930 Chihuahua, Mexico census. This family does not appear to be directly related to your Alfredo born 1903, Jerez), but may be a relation of some type.  First, both Francisco and Josefa were both born in Zacatecas (coincidence?).   They were at this location by at least 1906, as all presumed children were born in Chihuahua. The name Alfredo Avila (born 1923), Chihuahua - coincidence?) may have been named in honor of a close family member, so even though this is not your direct family, it may be a branch relation or hint to follow up on.

1930 Mexico Census - Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico (Note: Both Francisco's were noted as Carpenters.  Not sure of your Alfredo's occupation, although the Juarez area, and across the boarder had several mines nearby that could likely have used Carpenters, not to mention the general area was growing rapidly.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6F49-L67?cc=1307314&wc
Household Member       Age    Relationship
Francisco Avila E      54     Jefe (Head) Born Zacatecas (Carpenter)
Josefa Macías De Avila 43 Born Zacatecas

All others in this census record were born in Chihuahua
Amalia Avila De Ramos  24
Francisco Avila           22    (Carpenter)
Elena Avila            20
Leopoldo Avila         17
Alberto Avila          14
Carlos Avila           11
Alfredo Avila           7  (mentioned in border crossing slide 795)
Oscar Ignacio Ramos     1 

2nd,

Wife Angela Cuevas was 1st married on 29 November 1919 in Tacambaro, San Jeronimo, Michoacan, Mexico to Felipe Padilla (age 20 -born ca 1899 in the parish), son of Cipriano Padilla (deceased) and Antonia Sandoval (living). Angela Cuevas was listed as age 16 (born ca 1903 in Mexico (City), but in the the parish of Tacambaro (since an infant). Angela/Felipe had at least 3 children (Jose born 1920, Amalia, born 1923, and Marina (Martha), born 1925 (all in Tacamaro). I believe they actually resided in Guanajuato. Felipe Padilla died prior to the 1927 birth of Maria Luisa Avila (daughter of Alfredo Avila and Angela Cuevas).  Finding a marriage record for Angela Cuevas/Alfredo Avila could list parentage of Alfredo.
This family appears to have resided in Juarez (Chihuahua, Mexico), Texas, and New Mexico, so perhaps a marriage record exists in these areas.

3rd,

This family does not appear to have stayed long in Jerez, Zacatecas, as there are very few records noted for the Avila/Huisar surname in this area (in this timeframe). There are many Avila/Huisar surnames further south in Colotlan, Jalisco and Huejucar, Jalisco area. This family may have been migrating toward Chihuahua, Mexico and the border, so the areas between Jerez and Chihuahua may be another place to begin looking for possible names that match your family.  In the early 1900's, travel was not fast, and it may have taken months or years for the family to arrive in the Chihuahua area.

Lee

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Jose Huizar Bañuelos and Francisca de Avila are candidates as parents of Alfredo Avila Huizar.   They for the time frame but I have not found conclusive proof.   They wrote that Alfredo H. Avila crossed with his aunt but forgot to write her name.

Rick A. Ricci

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Rick,
That lead certainly looks promising.  I find Alfredo and family listed in Juarez, Chihuahua,  El Paso, Texas, Colfax County, New Mexico,
and as far north as Colorado in one record.  Various records indicate up to 10 children. No leads through these records, although I
know there are Catholic parishes not listed on familysearch that are located in El Paso, Texas. Perhaps more info can be found in one
of these El Paso parish records. My interest is with Angela Cueva's first marriage to Felipe Padilla, as I have a number of Padilla
connections through my grandson, who married into the Zermeno family.  I believe this Felipe Padilla may have actually died in
Juarez, Chihuahua in May 1927 (of tuberculosis); but the children of Felipe and Angela were all baptized in Tacambaro, Michoacan,
the last child baptized in 1925. Did Felipe Padilla move the entire family to Juarez, only to die in 1927? Perhaps this is him, although
the civil death record is sketchy, and does not mention Angela?  
Civil Death record:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5HW-KD4?cc=1922462
1919 Marriage information record of Angela Cuevas (parents Apolonio Cuevas/Guadalupe Rivera and 
Felipe Padilla (parents Cipriano Padilla/Antonia Sandoval)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-KP38-82?cc=1883388
Lee
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1)-Jose Leon de Avila [Davila] and Maria Ramona Barrios

2)-Jose Victor Nasario Avila Barrios married Eufrasia Bracamonte Aguilar

3)-Jose de Jesus Avila Bracamonte married Athanacia Chavez

4)-Francisca de Avila Chavez married Jóse Huizar Bañuelos

5)-Alfredo Huizar Avila aka Alfredo H. Avila


Rick A. Ricci

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Thank you. Macias is nowhere in my research. What border crossing? I found one but stated he was crossing with his wife Angela.

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Yes it does have parental information on the back of the card.   The back of the crossing the border card that you are referring to.   The front of the card says is wife’s name and the back of the card says “Alfredo Avila”traveling with “Mo” which means mother, and “Josefa Macias de Avila.   Then for nearest relative or friend that they are traveling to it says “GrMo Feliciana Medina” who is Alfredo Avila’s maternal grandmother.   And for nearest relative that have where they are coming from it says Francisco Avila who is Alfredo Avila’s father.   It looks like Francisca but it should be a “o” at the end.   To see this back of the card go to that image that you have of the border crossing and then click the right arrow twice and it will take you to this back of the card .


Rick A. Ricci

Censos Electorales Tepechitlan y Tlaltenango 1912

Censos Electorales Tepechitlan y Tlaltenango Diario Oficial del Estado de Zacatecas 1912.

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Meaning of "coates"

Hello, I came across the word coate after a birth name. I'm not
sure if it is part of the name or a description. It is shown as
"Antonio coate mulato". I cannot tell if it is capitalized or not. Has
anyone come across this word in your research? I thought is
might be coyote, but mulato is listed right after.
Cynthia

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RUIZ DE ESPARZA EN SAN LUIS POTOSÍ

Has anyone else noticed that in San Luis Potosi, there was a man named Lope Ruiz de Esparza, living there as early as 7 June 1644? On that date, in the parish of Nra Sra de la Asuncion de Tlaxcalilla, he married Elena de la Cruz, who according to other records, lived in the home of Martin Navarro, on whose rancho and carbonera this couple would live for years, said to be his “criados.”

They had at least 4 children: 
1. Josepha Ruiz Cruz, b. 02 Apr 1645, San Luis Potosi 
2. Domingo Ruiz Cruz, b. 02 Apr 1646, San Luis Potosi 
3. Francisca Ruiz de Esparza, b. 08 Dec 1648, San Luis Potosi, m. Francisco Delgadillo aka Juan Delgado, 7 Jan 1664, San Luis Potosi 
4. Pedro Ruiz de Esparza Cruz, b. 27 Aug 1651, Aguascalientes, m. Juana Prieto Gallardo, 20 Oct 1671, San Luis Potosi.

Around August 1676, Elena de la Cruz died, and on 8 Feb 1678, in San Francisco de Pozos SLP, Lope Ruiz married his second wife, Elena de Acosta y Gogorron.

They had at least three children: 
1. Maria de Esparza Acosta, b. 24

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Happy New Year to all!  Thank you, Manny, for once again and again and again giving us all something interesting to read, to think about and hopefully find more leads to answer the questions we have.  I haven't read any of the links so don't know how Criado was used whether servant or was raised by Martin Navarro.  Come the new year, I will definitely read!  

Saludos, Primo

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Manny,

You must remember that criado did not mean servant back then.    Criado meant that you served under someone with a higher position.   You could have a high position and still be called criado because you had a boss.  

Testamento de Francisco Rodríguez Ponce; indexing Protocolos

Dear Members,

I come to a topic I have proposed that has not gotten much traction: indexing the Protocolos of Guadalajara.  I wanted to give you an example of why I think this would be very worthwhile.  I found the will/testamento of Francisco Rodríguez Ponce from 1660.  I know it has been mentioned before, but from my search of our Forum topics, it does not appear that anyone had seen the actual images or an actual full transcription.  It is a veritable treasure trove for us genealogists!  Below I will include both a partial transcription, and an outline some of the relationships that it details.  It seem to me that he really cared about familial relationships, because he went into a level of detail that I have not seen in other wills, as to  how people are related that are not even in his direct line.  He also often mentioned if the people he was referring to were still living.  Finally, he was extremely  rich.  He received 20,000 pesos in dowry from his mother in law Maria Verdugo

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Dear Members,

As I mentioned before, I find it fascinating how much Francisco Rodríguez Ponce focused on how everyone was related, even when as far as we can tell they were not HIS relatives.

He names his father, Francisco Rodriguez Ponce (?-1643) and his mother Francisca de Rentería y Velasco (?-1661), as well as his paternal grandfather, Alonso Rodríguez Ponce (?-?).  He also names his wife, Juana de Avalos y Bocanegra, and his in-laws, Diego de Bocanegra y Cervantes (?-), and the powerful and well-known María Verdugo y Avalos (?-before 1660).  He finally mentions his six children, whom he names specifically, María Verdugo y Ponce, Juana de Avalos, Diego de Bocanegra, Joseph Rodríguez Ponce y Bocanegra, Francisca Rodríguez Ponce y Bocanegra, and Angela de Velasco. They are obviously named for several grandparents or great-grandparents of the same name. 

He also names his uncle Miguel de Rentería Muxica, and his two sisters Catalina de Rentería y Ponce (married to Pedro de Vidarte Pardo), and Angela de Rentería y Velasco (married to Fernando de Oñate y Mendoza).

He names the burial place of all the Avalos family in Guachinango, at the Franciscan convent in Guachinango. 

Below are some highlights for families of the Autlán and Tecolotlán areas that are of interest to me from Francisco Rodriguez Ponce:

  1. He bough the Hacienda de San Clemente en Tecolotlán from Juan de Ortega Maldonado, was the executor of the will of Juana de Sea, widow of  Hernando Ximénez Caldreón. I have a Juan de Ortega Maldonado having a child with María de Betancur in 1673 in Tecolotlán, Agustín de Ortega y Betancur https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-59S4-BS?i=64&cc=1874591 I am assuming this is likely the same person, but not sure. I also have a Juan de Ortega Maldonado married to Juana Luisa Galindo as parents of María de Ortega y Maldonado, married to Martín Fernández Partida.  This is from Gabriel Agraz García de Alba's "Esbozos Historicos de Tecolotlán," chpt 6. 

     

  2. He notes whom he bought the Hacienda of San Antonio de la Rinconada.  He bought if from Felipe de Mora, married to María Tellez, daughter or Diego Tellez de Herrera and Michaela de Quevedo.  This source helped me confirm that the Telles last name, was Tellez de Herrera, and that the Quevedo family left descendants in Autlán.  I had previously found the will of Andrés Martínez de Quevedo. This opens up the line on question as to whether the Tellez de Herrera and the Tellez de Buedo families were related?

     

  3.  He bought the estancias of Vistabuena and San Cristóbal from the Alfz. Suero Vázquez de Moscoso and his sister Constanza de Castro y Mesa (who went by the last name of (Híjar y Mesa), and he notes that they were children of Cap. Lorenzo de Castro y Mesa and Costanza de Moscoso, and siblings of Gregorio de Castro y Mesa.  I had previously confirmed this with the will of Costansa de Híjar y Mesa, but this gives another primary source verification that Alfz. Suero Vázquez de Moscoso, was the son of of Lorenzo de Castro y Mesa and Costanza de Moscoso.  Here is Costanza de Híjár y Mesa's will for reference. I previously posted it on NR. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSD2-Y95J-C?i=244&cat=130231

    Anyways, I hope you all find this helpful, and might be able to help disentangle some fo the 17th century families y Nueva Galicia where we have spotty church records.

    Regards,

    Sergio Sean Salés

     

 

 

Help with translation "campo santo ventilado"

I've run across this phrase in a record of burials in Mexico and I've never seen it before. "Campo Santo" of course is graveyard. But what does "ventilado" mean in this context? See image below. The phrase occurs repeatedly in this set of records. Thanks to all.

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Who is this Francisca de la Ascencion?

If I am reading it right, in Nochistlan, on 25 Feb 1686, it says Domingo Mejia is the padrino and the madrina is Francisca de la Ascencion su prima. I believe this Domingo Mejia is most likely the one who is the son of Lorenzo Mejia and Ines de Estrada. If it is, then does anyone know who this Francisca de la Ascencion is? 

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1N6-K?i=546&wc=3P98-J…

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That’s an interesting clue.

On some records, Francisca de Islas, daughter of Juan de Islas Sandoval cc Juana de Rivera, and wife of Juan Lopez de Lizardi, was called Francisca de la Asencion (baptisms of sons Juan de Dios and Cayetano).

Good eye! Thanks for sharing!

Manny Díez Hermosillo
 

Interesting Baptism Name

This is a new one for me. Has anyone ever seen where a name that is traditionally a last name is actually made to be part of a 1st name? I found the baptism record for my 5th great grandfather. On most records he is listed as Juan Hernandez or Juan Antonio Hernandez. His parents were Cristobal Hernandez and Maria de la Encarnacion Vallin (or Ballin). On his baptism record his first name is listed as "Juan Jose Antonio Bautista". Bautista is not his last name. So his whle name at baptism would be Juan Jose Antonio Bautista Hernandez Vallin. 

 

Attached is the document. Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on this? Maybe his name was inspired by someone somewhat notible/of important historic reference at the time?

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In reply to by jrefugioghermosillo

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I appreciate your explanation! I learned something new :)

-Laura

My Introduction

Hi. I’m Gerard Marelle. I posted my genealogy in the files section and you can find my family tree in: 

https://gw.geneanet.org/gmarelle?iz=270&lang=fr&i=117&oc=1&type=tree.

Hope you might find something useful.

Regards,

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Thank you for sharing. You have some lovely photos in your tree! I love black and white pictures!

Laura