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Garibay Gutierrez

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Antes que nada quiero presentarme ya que este es mi primer hilo, es un gusto estar aquí y espero poder compartir todo lo que pueda.

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Published by Enrique Gariba… – Thu, 2016-01-28 22:24 | Permalink

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I found the parents of Rafael Garibay, they was Don Antonio Garibay and Doña Antonia Sanchez.

Rafael Garibay widower of Ygnacia Gutierres he remarried with Petra Chavolla

Married on July 28, 1828 in Guadalajara at 50 years old with Petra Chavolla daughter of Don Silvestre Chavolla and Doña Barbara Sanchez de Ulloa

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-DLF1-B?mode=g&i=619&wc=3JW…

Published by longsjourney – Thu, 2015-08-13 10:08 | Permalink

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I'm sorry I don't speak Spanish but do understand enough to do research.
I have lots of Garibay from Zamora and Chilchota, Michoacan and then many of them came into Jalisco. My research is for the earlier years but when you reach that point you might want to check my files on Rootwebs.com. They came into my Mother line when an Ochoa married into her line but not directly. I did mark the ones related to my Mother and her name is Dolores Gutierrez (1924) My file is called Mexico and just go to the index and check Garibay, there are a couple of Ochoa Garibay too.
Linda Castanon-Long
Olympia Wa.

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Many thx linda, I searched for months but can not find anything, I think maybe Francisco Garibay Gutierrez was not born in Zamora as his marriage says

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if someone can help me to find more information about Rafael Garibay and Ygnacia Gutierrez

Here additional data about their grandchildren

Jose Maria Higinio Garibay Estevez(b.1830)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/4990gwf7n3iybcu/jose%20maria%20higinio.JPG?dl…

Teresa de Jesus Lucrecia (b.1831)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/l93hhgvyc54i2s5/teresa%20de%20jesus.JPG?dl=0

Jesus Ygnacia Cresencia (b.1828)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0n2b44olykfg0rw/ygnacia%20cresencia.JPG?dl=0

Bernardo Maria Donaciano (b. 1834)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ks06wr0qfjkyxrk/bernardo.JPG?dl=0

Marquez del Olivo Family tree data compilation Zacatecas and Jalisco

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I have seen many post regarding this family tree. I have 4 family tree branches connect to this family tree. Can we make a shared family tree. POsting all data about this tree.

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Published by itzcoatzin – Fri, 2015-07-17 10:34 | Permalink

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does anyone have data on this family ancestors

I have baptism of Jesus Marquez Carlos and Josefa Marquez Carlos.

Fathers Eugenio Marquez and Refugio carlos the family search does not have records that far back i don't know how to search for data on them, please show me a good source for me to read and research if needed.

Baptism records show Grandparents to be Juan Marquez And Trinidad Enciso.

This baptism were in Colotlan, Jalisco Mexico records but may be from Zacatecas.

Please share any record you have on this and maybe show me a good source for me to reasearch since i don't know any other place other then Family Search to look for ancestors.

Thank you Primos

Published by Joseph de Leon – Mon, 2015-07-13 08:39 | Permalink

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Primos,

Juan Marquez de los Olivos and Josefa Baptista de Rubalcaba (b. abt 1649) are my 8th GGPs.

I have almost 600 individuals with the surname Marquez / Marquez de los Olivos in my Joseph de Leon Family Tree posted here on Nuestros Ranchos in the GEDCOM tab.

This Tree is here to share with all of you.

Joseph de Leon

Published by itzcoatzin – Sun, 2015-07-12 14:36 | Permalink

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Eugenio Marquez

spouse: Refugio Carlos

child: José De Jesus Marquez
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07011-4 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 443689 , Reference ID: p 167 ,

child: Andrea Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443686 ,

child: Pablo Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443686 ,

child: Josefa Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-6 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443685 ,

child: Luiza Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-6 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443685 ,

child: Maria Segunda Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-5 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443684 ,

child: Julian Marquez Cárlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I07011-0 , System Origin: Mexico-EASy , GS Film number: 443690 , Reference ID: v 40 p 132 ,

child: Tranquilino Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-7 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443686 ,

child: Pascual Marquez Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C60464-8 , System Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443687 ,

Eugenio Marquez
Mexico, Marriages, 1570-1950
marriage: 16 January 1861 San Luis, Colotlan, Jalisco, Mexico
spouse: Refugio Carlos
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M60465-6 , System
Origin: Mexico-ODM , GS Film number: 443786 ,

Does anyone need to add this people in their family tree let me know so we use the same id number. Also i dont have money to get the digital copies from the film does anyone have any of this records willing to share via Family search tree?

Published by itzcoatzin – Sun, 2015-07-12 13:34 | Permalink

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This person has 3 entries in family search. Please post any data you have on him. Such as id number, birth, baptism,marriage,death, and children perishes. So that we can add all data to one id number is family search and use that id with all attached perishes.

Eugenio Marquez Enciso (1844) (1º oo) & Ma del Refugio Carlos Guizar (13 Nov 1870 ) (hija de Demetria & Ma Santos) ( Momax, Zac.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDZD-CLS

Children
Jesus Marquez
LVQ6-3WR

Josefa Marques
LV7R-59N

Maria Luisa Marquez
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18688-52665-86?cc=1874591&wc…

Grandparents:
Juan Marquez and Trinidad Enciso
Juan Carlos and Josefa Mayorga (2nd marriage)

Please share any more data you have in this. So we can add id number to Eugenio and add the perish records to it.

Mendozas from 1700's San Luis Potosi

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I was wondering if anyone might be able to assist me in continuing my research into the Mendoza family surname.

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Published by jrefugioghermosillo – Sun, 2014-12-07 14:52 | Permalink

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Hi David,

I did a quick search on FamilySearch, I haven’t pulled any of the records, but here’s some little leads that might help you.

Juan Nicolas Mendoza was married to Maria Dorotea Serda, aka Maria Dorotea de Oballe (Ovalle). I haven't found their marriage nor parents, but I found baptism records for 6 possible children, between the years 1802 and 1819, in San Geronimo.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMH6-WGM
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLVZ-R85
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLV7-BYX
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMHD-SXN
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMHD-SXK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NK71-D3R

You'll want to pull these records and check ranchos & padrinos.

Keep running searches using both "Maria Dorotea de la Serda" and "Maria Dorotea de Oballe." A prominent surname in Nueva Galicia is "Lopez de la Serda," so you might want to try running searches giving her the surname "Lopez."

Maria Bruna Gamez’s parents were Jose Simon Gamez and Maria Josefa de Ovalle. I found baptisms for a possible 7 children born between 1794 and 1815 in San Geronimo. Simon Gamez and Maria Josefa Ovalle appear with different combinations of names (Antonio Simon, Maria Simona, Maria de la Encarnacion) - these might not all be the same couple, but again, check the ranchos and the padrinos.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLVD-KKM
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV8-12Q
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JSCD-WZK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-1LK
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-1GQ
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-VRP
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NLV7-24G

I'm surprised Salvador and Maria Bruna didn't require a dispensa, both having "Ovalle" in their lines. I've been digging through my lines in Morelia, Tlazazalca and Patzcuaro, Michoacan, and "Serda," "Mendoza" and "Ovalle" all appear frequently in the 1600s. Might be a good place to check next, once the trail runs dry in San Geronimo.

Hope that helps, and Happy Holidays!

Manny Diez Hermosillo
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Looking for Mena's in El Jaralito Jalisco Mexico

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My grandfather Jose Mena, I was told he was born in 1904 Union de San Antonio, Jalisco, Mexico.
He married Juana Valderrama in Los De Moreno on February 1 1923. She was born 1907 in same town.

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Published by Armando – Mon, 2014-05-19 15:27 | Permalink

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El Jaralito is probably a ranch and not a town. People from the ranches had to go to the towns to have their children baptized and to get married.

There is a ranch called El Jaralito just north of Lagos de Moreno.

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/el-jaralito-4

There is also a ranch between Unión de San Antonio and Lagos de Moreno called El Jaralito de Vega

http://mexico.pueblosamerica.com/mapas/el-jaralito-de-vega

Lagos de Moreno means Lakes of Moreno. It was originally called Santa María de los Lagos when it was founded in 1563. Then in 1817 an insurgent, of mostly Spanish ancestry, died in a battle against Spain for the independence of Mexico. Santa María changed it's name to Lagos de Moreno in honor of Pedro Moreno. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Moreno_%28insurgente%29

Armando

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Laurie Machen
Thank you for all your help. Do you know of a mountain called the round table or Mesa de Redonda or La Mesa. My Aunt Cookie told me when she was 7 years old, she went to Lagos de Moreno to visit her grandparents. This mountain was by there house. so I'm thinking my family came from El Jaralito de Vega ranch, that you sent me the info on but not sure. Talk to you soon Laurie

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My grandparents used to take the family camping there. They would purposely take very few belongings to rough it.

It was called La Mesa Redonda de los Villalobos from shortly after the year 1700 to sometime just before 1900. It was owned by my ancestor Salvador de Villalobos and it passed down through the centuries through the Villalobos family until the hacienda was broken up into smaller ranches and the hacienda changed names.

La Mesa Redonda is not really a mountain. It's a small mesa. Even in the U.S. they are called mesas instead of mountains. It's a mesa that is very well known in the area since it is so tall compared to the surroundings which makes it stand out. It's located within the boundary of Lagos de Moreno next to the Aguascalientes-Encarnación de Díaz highway (45d) that passes between Lagos de Moreno and Unión de San Antonio just north-west of El Jaralito. There is another mesa there that is shorter but much wider that shows up in Google Maps as Cerro de la Mesa and is closer to El Jaralito but La Mesa Redonda is north-west of that one.

To see it in Google Maps put these coordinates 21°17'00.7"N 102°00'30.5"W and make sure you are in Earth view. You can also go to Street View to get a closer view and zoom out see where it is located in comparison to Lagos and La Unión.

Here are some links to some pictures of La Mesa Redonda.

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/9124456

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/30497643

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/8077285

http://motorutamexico.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/DSC008201.jpg

Armando

Armando

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Looking for Armando........
The last time I talked to you was about 2 years ago. When I started working on My Mena family tree. I have found a lot of information since then. You mention your family owned La Mesa Redonda de los Villalobos from shortly after the year 1700 to sometime just before 1900. It was owned by my ancestor Salvador de Villalobos and it passed down through the centuries through the Villalobos family. I found that my great uncle Cirilo Mena Birth ABT 1924 in Jalisco, Mexico married a woman named Vicenta Villalobos Birth ABT 1929. Is she related to you? Do you live in the USA. I hope this message finds you.

marriage of Nikolas Picazo and Maria de jesus Morones

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can anyone read all the names and also tell me if Nikolas or maria were previousley married? this is thier marriage certificate . i cant read information on marias parents either

thank you

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Published by RJQ – Tue, 2014-05-13 09:07 | Permalink

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Nicolas Picaso, single, born and live in Santa María. 22 years old. Son of Perfecto Picaso (alive) and Quirina Gonzalez (defunct)

María de Jesus Morones, born in "this" city and live in Santa María, single, 26 years old, daughter of Teodoro Morones (defunct) and Benita Morones (alive)

Godparents: Refugio Picaso and Felicitas Morones
Witnesses: Perfecto Picaso and Felix de León (adults and residents of Santa María)

The information is in the book number 46, folio 148.
The Groom christening record is in the book number 49, page 182, third entry.
The Bride || book number 46, page 85, second entry.

I don't think they were previously married, the city for the bride is the one where the wedding took place, the last paragraph is the actual reference for their vital records.

Need some help with Santaana and Rivera lines. Any help is much appreciated.

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Hello Everyone,

Please review attached Ancestor report and let me know if we have any connections or information that could help me fill in the gaps. Thank you!

-Erika

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Published by rikiribera – Tue, 2014-03-25 15:20 | Permalink

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Just a note: Paula Santana is my Paternal Great grandmother. She married Felix Rivera on May 29, 1926 in Cuale, Jalisco, Mexico.

Felix Rivera was born on Nov. 26, 1905 in San Sebastian del Oeste, Jalisco, Mexico and died in Nayarit, Mexico under the name Domingo Rivera.

Published by ssales1984 – Thu, 2014-03-27 21:16 | Permalink

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Hi Erika,

We haven't exchanged messages yet. It looks like we have some ancestors in common. I will look this over this weekend and see if I can contribute anything.

Good luck!

S. Sean Salés

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Hi Sergio ssales1984,

I wanted to compare our notes/family trees on the Santa Ana side (Lopes Bueso).

Let me know if this is something you'd be interested in doing.

Thanks!
-Erika Rivera

Published by gpf13 – Mon, 2014-03-31 19:52 | Permalink

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Erika

I took at look at your attachment, and I believe I can offer a bit of help:

Carmen Santana [Ruiz], #5 on your chart, is Maria Carmen Ruiz, who was baptized 1 Aug 1844, San Miguel parish, Ayutla, Jalisco, daughter of Albino Ruiz and Ambrocia Ramona Valle, as you have noted, but the baptismal record gives the grandparents:
....Rafael Ruiz and Maria Coronado (I did not find other info on them)
....Antonio Maria Coronado y Valle and Maria Micaela Gusman (more below)

Antonio Maria Coronado y Valle was from the Rancho de Camajapa (spelling?), Cocula, Jalisco, son of Simon Narciso Valle and Maria Teresa de Lara. He married 12 May 1803, Corazon de Jesus parish, Tecolotlan, Jalisco, Maria Micaela Gusman, daughter of Jose Gusman and Josefa Jauregui.
....Simon Narciso Valle & Maria Teresa de Lara -- I found no further info.
....Jose Gusman and Josefa Jauregui -- I found no further info.

Vicente Sanches, your #18, is Jose Vicente Sanches, born est 1761/66 [based on age of 20/25 at marriage] in Puerto de Temaxcas, son of Nicolas Sanches and Maria Manuela Espinosa. He married on 6 Feb 1786 in San Miguel, Ejutla, Jalisco, Maria Gertrudis Olibera (viuda), born in Hacienda de Santa Anna. I did find Maria Gertrudis's first marriage record.
....Nicholas Sanches and Manuela Espinosa -- I found no further info.

Some corrections:

#14, Jose Norberto Araiza, is Jose Roberto Araiza
#20, Jose Eufacio Araiza, is Jose Eufracio Araiza
#24, Franco Corona, is Francisco Gonzales Corona

The marriage date for Juan Jose Santana (#12) and Maria Vicenta Simona Sanches is not 17 Apr 1870, but actually 19 Jun 1805, Sagrado Corazon de Jesus, Tenamaxtlan, Jalisco.

By using Family Search I was able to add children to most of the families in your chart, and in some cases their spouses.

All the data above with "real dates," month-day-year, are from the Catholic Church records posted at Family Search, and also will turn up through the search, and will be fairly easy to find.

For further research, the matrimonial investigations may help with the gaps, as you sometimes find records there that are not in the marriage registers. Unfortunately these are typically not indexed, not in good chronological order (sometimes years are mixed up), and have not been extracted. Unfortunately they are tedious to search.

I do have a question: where (what town) are El Donacito and Rancho de las Partidas?

Good luck with your future searches!

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Thank you so much, George! I'm going to go back to my family tree and make those edits.

Regarding El Donacito, I found it mentioned in my great grandmother's marriage entry. It's on the Left page, top right.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18452-84151-28

Rancho de las Partidas is mentioned in the marriage of Simon Santana y Concepcion Ramirez.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21311-43190-47?cc=1918187

Published by gpf13 – Tue, 2014-04-01 22:45 | Permalink

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Erika

The document for your great-grandmother is the Matrimonial Investigation. This is a process that takes place prior to marriage in the Catholic Church; it could be a few weeks (if no complications) to months (if there are impediments to the marriage, and a dispensation is needed) before the actual marriage. In a few cases it is only days before the wedding, but this is not common. I suspect the marriage was in June 1926: unfortunately there are no marriage records for this year in El Tuito. The investigations were usually done in the parish that the couple was married in, but not always.

The document says she was 21 years old, originally from and a resident of San Sebastian for 17 years, resident of La Pena for 3 years, and El Tuito for 1 year. I would not take her age as necessarily correct, but would like verification from a baptismal or civil birth record. The baptismal records of San Sebastian del Oeste seem to be pretty complete: there are records for San Sebastian as well as several auxilliary chapels, so with luck the baptismal record is there. I would start in the estimated year of her birth and go forward if not found in that year, before looking at older records.

Rancho de la Partidas is near Tomatlan, since it is mentioned in those records simply as "Rancho de las Partidas" without mentioning a different jurisdiction.

The 1930 Census for Puerto Vallarta shows the family of Jose de Jesus Rivera and Maria del Refugio Flores. Although relationships aren't given, I believe the listing is of the couple, their children (including their married son), then the daughter-in-law (Paula), and finally the granddaughter. This is the url

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11778-109331-28?cc=1307314

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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George, you are wonderful!

I had no idea there were pre-marriage investigations. I think the 21 year old is actually my great grandfather, Felix Rivera and not Paula Santana. I did find Felix' baptism record in San Sebastian del Oeste. I think his full name is Jose Felix Rivera (Ribera). I have some updating to do on my family tree, so excited!! :)

Birth registration:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18685-72749-98

Baptism:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1942-21378-3619-90

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Erika

You are correct, Felix, and not Paula, is 21.

I have also found El Donacito on the map: it is a rather small town north of Tomatlan and close to El Tuito.

George Fulton
Pleasanton, CA

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Thank you so much, George! I'm going to go back to my family tree and make those edits.

Regarding El Donacito, I found it mentioned in my great grandmother's marriage entry. It's on the Left page, top right.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18452-84151-28

Rancho de las Partidas is mentioned in the marriage of Simon Santana y Concepcion Ramirez.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-21311-43190-47?cc=1918187

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Hello George Fulton,
I came across this response today and it caught my eye that you were citing Tenamaxtlan, Jalisco; an area that I have researched extensively. I was very interested that you said you had found the marriage of Pedro Munoz and Maria Gertrudes Oliveras. Would you be so kind to please pass it along, I've searched all afternoon with no luck. I have her in my tree as daughter of Gabriel Oliveras and Maria Feliciana Garcia. I have Gabriel's mother as Maria Toscano and Gfather as Jose Maria Toscano, but I am unable to go further.
Thank you, Deedra Corona

Celso Aguilar

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I'm Trying To Look Into Further Information on My Great Grandfather Celso Aguilar, Born 27 Apr. 1908 In Jerez Zacatecas. To The Parents of Pedro Aguilar Y Mariana De Jesus Barrios.

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