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> . . .I'm curious about vault films.. are there films that can only be seen
> by going to Salt Lake in person? Does this mean they are not listed online
> in family search?
ALL the geneaolgy films are listed in the catalog found on familyseaerch
along with where they can be found:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp. Copies of
ALL the films can be viewed by patrons in their local Family History Centers
without having to travel to SLC.
The vault refers to a huge storage area in SLC hewn out of a granite
mountain where the temperature is constant and the elements are kept at bay
in order to preserve the films. This is where all the master copies of the
genealogy films owned by the LDS church are stored.
When a film is requested by a patron, a copy is made and sent to the main
library in SLC where it remins -- or the local Family History Center if that
is who made the request, and after three renewals the film will remain in
the local center on indefinite loan as well. I suspect the three renewals
pay for the cost of duplicating the film.
In some cases no one has ever asked to use a film so a copy has never been
made to be viewed and the only copy is the master copy in the vault. Hence
it takes a few days to receive a film from the vault, and if you only have a
few days at the library, it can really impact your visit when the films
aren't available.
If you look at the familysearch website, it will tell you whether the films
are in the vault, which means no copies are available in the library.
However, as Josie mentioned, you can request that a copy be sent to the
library before making the trip.
Hope this helps.
~Deena~
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Vault films
Hi Linda!
Sorry for the delay in responding but Deena's response was excellent!
Thanks Deena!
The advantage of viewing the film is that you see the actual document
whereas on familysearch.org you do not. I have found mistakes made by the
LDS person who transcribed the informtion and it was transferred to
familysearch.org. For example, in searching for my "LIENDO" surnames I
found that the LDS team misinterpreted the old style handwriting and made
the surname appear as "SIENDO"..........a lot of names are entered as SIENDO
but should be LIENDO. The "L" looked like "S" and it was confusing. When I
viewed the film I saw their error so I searched the surname "SIENDO" and
sure enough, there were several of the names I had already researched as
"LIENDO" but they had them as "SIENDO".......I do not believe such a surname
exists!
Sometimes we have to do a little detective work to figure out where these
ancestors are hiding! Even worse, they may not be hiding but may have been
"misplaced" by someone with good intentions.......and these become known as
"brick walls"....I am certain that others have great stories on this
subject!
Thanks again, Deena, for your input! That is what makes this such a great
group!
Josie in San Antonio
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Deena Ortiz
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:54 AM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Vault films
> . . .I'm curious about vault films.. are there films that can only be
> seen by going to Salt Lake in person? Does this mean they are not
> listed online in family search?
ALL the geneaolgy films are listed in the catalog found on familyseaerch
along with where they can be found:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp. Copies of
ALL the films can be viewed by patrons in their local Family History Centers
without having to travel to SLC.
Vault films
Thank you Deena, you're right, it's the fact that people share that makes this group unique and successful.. thanks again.
Linda in B.C.
Vault films
Josie,
Yes, I too have a story about erroneous listings in the IGI: my gggg-grandparents were Pedro German de Olague and Maria Theresa de Aro. For the longest time I couldn't find their son, my ggg-grandfather Paulin Olague. I finally found him listed as Jose Paulin Agapito Gorman Aro, because the baptism record only listed as his father Pedro German and his mother as Maria Thereza de Aro. The transcriber read "German" as the surname Gorman. I think I finally found Paulin in the IGI by using only his mother's name. Maybe I should start looking under the surnames German or Gorman. So did the priest or his secretary back in 1763 think the complete name was Pedro German? Also, not all films have been indexed to the IGI, correct? So the IGI won't help us there.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: Josie T. Trevino
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Vault films
Hi Linda!
Sorry for the delay in responding but Deena's response was excellent!
Thanks Deena!
The advantage of viewing the film is that you see the actual document
whereas on familysearch.org you do not. I have found mistakes made by the
LDS person who transcribed the informtion and it was transferred to
familysearch.org. For example, in searching for my "LIENDO" surnames I
found that the LDS team misinterpreted the old style handwriting and made
the surname appear as "SIENDO"..........a lot of names are entered as SIENDO
but should be LIENDO. The "L" looked like "S" and it was confusing. When I
viewed the film I saw their error so I searched the surname "SIENDO" and
sure enough, there were several of the names I had already researched as
"LIENDO" but they had them as "SIENDO".......I do not believe such a surname
exists!
Sometimes we have to do a little detective work to figure out where these
ancestors are hiding! Even worse, they may not be hiding but may have been
"misplaced" by someone with good intentions.......and these become known as
"brick walls"....I am certain that others have great stories on this
subject!
Thanks again, Deena, for your input! That is what makes this such a great
group!
Josie in San Antonio
-----Original Message-----
From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Deena Ortiz
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:54 AM
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Vault films
> . . .I'm curious about vault films.. are there films that can only be
> seen by going to Salt Lake in person? Does this mean they are not
> listed online in family search?
ALL the geneaolgy films are listed in the catalog found on familyseaerch
along with where they can be found:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp. Copies of
ALL the films can be viewed by patrons in their local Family History Centers
without having to travel to SLC.
Vault films
Deena Ortiz wrote: Deena, thank you.. I had no idea they made films to order! I have waited up to 6 weeks in the past so I assumed they only had a specifin number of copies for each and they were all out on loan.. live and learn.
thank you for responding,
Linda in B.C.
> . . .I'm curious about vault films.. are there films that can only be seen
> by going to Salt Lake in person? Does this mean they are not listed online
> in family search?
ALL the geneaolgy films are listed in the catalog found on familyseaerch
along with where they can be found:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp. Copies of
ALL the films can be viewed by patrons in their local Family History Centers
without having to travel to SLC.
The vault refers to a huge storage area in SLC hewn out of a granite
mountain where the temperature is constant and the elements are kept at bay
in order to preserve the films. This is where all the master copies of the
genealogy films owned by the LDS church are stored.
When a film is requested by a patron, a copy is made and sent to the main
library in SLC where it remins -- or the local Family History Center if that
is who made the request, and after three renewals the film will remain in
the local center on indefinite loan as well. I suspect the three renewals
pay for the cost of duplicating the film.
In some cases no one has ever asked to use a film so a copy has never been
made to be viewed and the only copy is the master copy in the vault. Hence
it takes a few days to receive a film from the vault, and if you only have a
few days at the library, it can really impact your visit when the films
aren't available.
If you look at the familysearch website, it will tell you whether the films
are in the vault, which means no copies are available in the library.
However, as Josie mentioned, you can request that a copy be sent to the
library before making the trip.
Hope this helps.
~Deena~