Nuestros Ranchos Site

Joseph,

Would you have theurl for the Archives of the Indies and know how to best utilize it?

Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

Now if there only was an index available:(
I already have the one capitulo, but my family might be covered in others.

The San Antonio Library kindly photocopied capitulo 58 for me. I'm sure they would do so again.

Since I still cannot sort out the relationship of my husband's gg-grandfather to the widowed man his mother married long after his and his brothers' births (no father mentioned in the records), I was surprised when looking for my father's ancestors that sometimes the fathers of "hijos naturales" were mentioned (exposed?) in the records even when the father was married to someone else. I kind of suspect that in some cases a woman who had children out of wedlock had been impregnated by a married man and could not marry him until he was "free" ("viudo" after his previous wife died) to be made an honest woman of.

I just posted a picture of a map of the district of Jerez Zacatecas which I got in 2003. Some of the old names have been changed but the information seems good. I posted it in the map section. This map was actually on the back of a T-shirt but it was clear and large enough for my old eyes to read.

I have learned over the years doing family research is that certain words are used differently in different centuries and locales. For example, people who lived in remote areas without a resident priest didn't wait for one to show in order to "marry". The church did not see any reason to blame people for uniting and having children before seeing a priest for the church ritual. Hence the term "hijo natural" came into use. Once the locale has a resident priest the use of "hijo natural" disappears. I have seen the priests use "hijo ilegitimo" or "hijo bastardo" to identify the child whose parents failed to observe the "rules". I believe it is presumptuous to call a child a bastard if the "hijo natural" label is the result of a priest not being nearby. Some communities went longer than a year without the services of a priest.

I still don't see your article in the file section. Que pasa?

---- alfonsogonzalezg wrote:
>
I've just tried to upload an article about Isabel de Moctezuma's Will. I guess it's very interesting, but it doesn't appear now in the Files Section. Did I do something wrong?

Hola a todos, gracias por darme la bienvenida al grupo de nuevo.

---------------------------------
Do You Yahoo!? La mejor conexión a Internet y 2GB extra a tu correo por $100 al mes. ht

I too have a case that has me wondering just what is Hijo Legitimo vs Hijo Natural:

My husband's great-great grandfather Ysac Cervantes gave as his father's name Encarnacion Cervantes in the baptism records of all his children and in his marriage record. This made it extremely difficult for me to find Ysac and Encarnacion. After backtracking and some help from Arturo, I discovered that the Cervantes name came from Ysac's mother Dorotea Cervantes who did not marry Encarnacion Talamantes until after Ysac's birth and that of his two brothers. Encarnacion and Dorotea were not married until July 10, 1839, three years after the birth of Ysac and six years after the birth of Ysac's brother Sotero. The Talamantes I believe were part Indian from Tlaltenango, and the Cerbantes' were espanoles from Encarnacion de Diaz.

Thanks to everyone for all of the great definitions given when I asked for "Help-Ayuda"
this is what I learned.

Hijo espurio: hijo ilegítimo de padre desconocido (Bastardo) unknown father
Hijo ilegítimo: hijo de padres no casados entre sí, (i.e an affair)

This is an interesting article about the meaning and survival of some of our
Mexican wedding traditions. The only thing that I disagree with is the
"lasso" - I heard that the indigenous had used flowers to encircle the couple,

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 2006-08-11 14:30 (Mw 5.9) MICHOACAN, MEXICO 18.6 -100.9
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 07:54:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: ens@usgs.gov (USGS ENS)
Reply-To: ens@usgs.gov

Based on my knowledge of Mexican history and family history, I can fully
understand the confusion caused by the terms ¨hijo legítimo¨ and ¨hijo
natural¨. As of 1859, it was mandated by Mexican law that all marriages,

Does anyone use this Family History Center?

http://www.larfhc.org/Mexico.htm

You are right Joseph. I sincerely apologize. I was having a
frustrating day and my mind took off in the wrong direction. This is
one of the best groups on the web and doesn't deserve the pettiness

was reading a brief that said the UC System was joining the Google book
project.

I hope this is true and that they start with the books

on Mexico

let's hope.

joseph

ps: if anyone has more info please pass it on to the "general" list.

Can someone help me out with the following.
I am having a hard time reading a birth certificatea from mid 1800's, I was under the assumption "hijo Natural" is a child born to a single mom!

what is the difference between:

What would eliminating everyone who doesn't log in once a year
accomplish? Instead of a group researching and sharing information
about ancestors in the Jalisco area of Mexico, would this then morph

I'm thinking of something and would like some feed back on it.

I'm thinking of making it mandatory to login to the actual website once
a year or your membership will expire.

I would think that visiting the website once a year would be something

I believe this is more than reasonable.
Thanks
Gilbert

> [Original Message]
> From:
> To:
> Date: 8/10/2006 2:57:28 AM

Joseph,
My vote for "Open for discussion" is that once a year seems fair to me.

Thank you so very much for opening up this wonderful website! I have learned so much about my ancestor's and am constantly learning new things. We have a wonderful group of very informed and helpful members.

I just went through the films for Zacatecas and wondered if there is a way to put the film numbers in order by catagory and sequence? It would help to keep us from entering duplicate film or batch numbers.

Joseph, when I get into the Nuestros Ranchos site it acknowledges me by name unless I'm on a different computer then it asks me to sign in.. Does this site record or show how often we are actually into the Nuestros site? If it does then those who use the site would not have to do anything special and you would have a record of who has not used the site for the last year... or am I over simplifying it?

es buen idea. . .hagalo. . .si algunos quieren entra en discusion de
cualquiera tema relacionado a nuestra genealogica aganlo. De un libro
específicamente??? Si buen idea.

joseph

great idea. . .do it. . .if some want to enter into a discussion on

Esther and Humberto:

This is what I have been able to find regarding
Arreola/Villarreal/Bermea/Trevino Except where otherwise indicated, all were born in
Gigedo/Rosales/Villa Union (same town) Coahuila.

Hola Eddy:

Saludos desde GUadalajara:

Si tengo a los padres de esa persona hermosillo, y lo de tu genealogia
no lo habia
visto apenas acabo de verlo, luego te doy mis comentarios.