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Help here wanted to know some of the people with surename Jauregui or Armas that lived in La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas in the year 1850-1900

Joseph Puentes
I sent to my folder a summary of the many Huizar families in Colotlan, Jal., Mex. from 1718 - 1877I hope this will help to search interested in the Huizar name to easy find the roots and ties between this family.I want to search in other towns around Colotlan, Jal., with the goal to find the fountain of this name.Dr. Moises B. Huizar

Hola a todos:

Hoy por la noche, he estado investigando la rama de mis antepasados Juan de Cobián Velasco Vázquez (también citado como Cobián Velasco Covarrubias) y Lorenza de Villaseñor (quién aparece con dicho apellido en todas las actas de bautismo de sus hijos, pero en un estudio que mi tío Gabriel Agraz hizo de los García de Alba, la cita como Lorenza Molinedo Santa Cruz y Villaseñor). Ellos debieron haber casado en Tamazula de Gordiano, Jalisco antes de Febrero de 1692 pero he buscado el acta matrimonial y en Tamazula, hay muy pocas actas de matrimonio en esos años y en ninguna de ellas se encuentra.
Algo que me parece sumamente interesante, es que según parece todos los Villaseñor en la zona están emparentados y todos descienden de José de Villaseñor y Figueroa quién casó con María Delgadillo y Bocanegra. Sospecho que mi antepasada Lorenza debió ser hija o nieta de ellos, dado a las fechas y que en especial la madrina del primero de los hijos del matrimonio de mis antepasados, Catalina de Villaseñor y Delgadillo, seguramente hija de la pareja antes mencionada debe tener algún parentesco con Lorenza.

Bueno dejo a continuación los datos de las actas de bautismo que hasta ahorita he checado de los Cobián Villaseñor:

1. Marcela Cobián y Villaseñor, bautizada el 3 de Febrero de 1692 en Tamazula, pardrinos Pedro de Villaseñor y Catalina de Villaseñor y Delgadillo. Esta niña después contrajo matrimonio con Diego de Acevedo y Carbajal.

2. José de Cobián y Villaseñor, bautizado el 2 de Abril de 1694 en Tamazula, padrinos Gerónimo de Munguía e Inés Galindo.

3. Domingo de Cobián y Villaseñor, bautizado el 30 de Agosto de 1696 en Tamazula, padrinos Tomás de Brizula y Ana de Velasco.

4. Josefa María de Cobián y Villaseñor, bautizada el 2 de Septiembre de 1703 en Tamazula, fue su madrina María de Ayala.

5. Antonio de Cobián y Villaseñor, bautizado el 16 de Agosto de 1705 en Zapotiltic, Jalisco. Éste es mi antepasado que años después se casó con Clara García de Alba y Guzmán.

6. Joaquín de Cobián y Villaseñor, bautizado el 10 de Abril de 1708 en Zapotiltic.

7. Juana Maria Cobián y Villaseñor, de quién no he encontrado acta de bautismo pero casó con un señor de apellido Covarrubias, dado a una dispensa de una de sus nietas que encontré.

8. Juan Manuel de Cobián y Villaseñor, quien contrajo nupcias con María Teresa Valencia el 12 de Agosto de 1744 en Tamazula.

Hasta ahora estos son los datos que he podido encontrar de sus hijos, con respecto a Juan de Cobián y Velasco, creo que seguramente es hijo de Juan de Cubián, esposo de María de Velasco quienes bautizan un hijo en 17 de Noviembre de 1652 en Tamazula.

Les agradecería si alguno de ustedes pudiese ayudarme, creo que alguien que tenga conocimiento de esta ilustre familia que incluso estaba emparentada con el I Conde de Miravalle, pueda resolver esto, no son muchas generaciones las que creo que separen a Lorenza de José de Villaseñor y María Delgadillo.

Aquí les dejo un link donde se menciona a dicha familia:

http://books.google.com.mx/books?id=Uc81YwxijI0C&pg=PA99&lpg=PA99&dq=jo…

De antemano, muchas gracias y saludos.
Enrique Agraz

Where can i get this book?

I have been researching the last name "Rubio" and I have come up with the following information:

According to research author Gutierre Tibon in his "Diccionario Etimilogico Comparado de los Apellidos Espanoles, Hispanoamericanos y Filipinos" 1992 Fondo de Cultura Economica, S.A. Mexico. he states the following:

Rojo,

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Special thanks to Jaime R. Alvarado for contributing these extractions!

What happened to the haciendas? What happened to the people? Where did they go?
Were the haciendas taken over by the government? Who owned the haciendas?
There is a great 1839 church census in the area that includes many ranches.
I am working on the Nieto family of the area. They lived on the ranch by the name of 'Los Bacieros'.

• La UNAM (Universidad Autónoma de México) ha puesto a disposición del público la consulta abierta y gratuita de millones de documentos, escritos y audiovisuales, incluyendo su hemeroteca, a través del proyecto UNAM en línea desde su página http://www.unamenlinea.unam.mx/.
En el link de la hemeroteca http://www.hndm.unam.mx/ podrán consultar mas de 9.000.000 de imágenes digitalizadas correspondientes a 947 títulos de publicaciones periódicas mexicanas y extranjeras.
Mas información sobre esta noticia encontrarán en http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2011/11/30/opinion/022a2pol
http://www.unamenlinea.unam.mx/
www.unamenlinea.unam.mx

Fuente: Apellidos Italianos en Facebook

Info about this individual his my great grandpa born in La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas born around 1850-1880

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Mi agradedimiento a la familia NUESTROS RANCHOS que me aportaron valiosa
informacion de
Alejandro Preciado y Josefa Garcia de Alba (Tecolotlan)
La informacion que recibi dice: nacieron y casaron en Otates,Jalisco; me da
pena mencionarla
nuevamente pero tal poblacion o rancheria no existe y logro ubicarla en las
actas dice: ambos
nacieron en Otates y se casaron en Otates?
Espero su anuencia a esta solicitud ya que no me gustaria plasmar informacion
no ratificada y
como todas mis busquedas despues de los textos de recopilacion y su valiosa
informacion que
me proporcionaron... la camino, la visito, la vivo es una forma muy personal mia
de ubicarme en
la tierra de mis familiares.
En todo el radio de accion de esas partes de Jalisco unicamente me dirijen a la
Barranca de
Otates entre Villa Corona y Cocula. No exite poblacion es un campo abierto con
unas
cascadas y barrancas preciosas.
Primos que me proporcionaron esta informacion por favor espero su respuesta de
como se llego
a la poblacion de Otates . (datos para mi: muy importantes de esta forma estoy
lista para
cerrar mi arbol ).

Agradecida por su paciencia y atencion

Maria Hernandez

Busco fecha nacimiento de GREGORIO ELIZALDE BAÑUELOS , cuyos padres JOSE EDUARDO ELIZALDE + 25 JUNIO 1816 en Guadalcazar S.L.P. con PETRA BAÑUELOS .

So if someone is familiar with this names please don't hesitate to give me some info they were both born in La Jabonera a rancho right out side Nochistlan Zacatecas and that's all i know and they are my GGgrandparents.

Estoy en busca de los Morales. Mi abuelo materno, QUEPD, era Jose Concepción Morales Martinez de El Valle de Guadalupe Jalisco. He topado con piedra.

Por otro lado, tampoco encuentro informacion para Mi abuelo paterno, QUEPD, Jose Matilde Ramirez, casado con una Martin o Martinez, creo que tambien de El Valle.

Les agradezco toda ayuda.

Maria Jimenez

In cleaning my Favorites I accidentally deleted the address for the Jalisco records. I would appreciate if someone can send it to me. I tried accessing the one on Family search but it's not the complete file that includes Tamazula and Zapotlan where my research in centered and so starts the New Year~

thank you..
Linda in Everett

Estoy en busca de los Morales. Mi abuelo materno, QUEPD, era Jose Concepción Morales Martinez de El Valle de Guadalupe Jalisco. He topado con piedra.

Por otro lado, tampoco encuentro informacion para Mi abuelo paterno, QUEPD, Jose Matilde Ramirez, casado con una Martin o Martinez, creo que tambien de El Valle.

Les agradezco toda ayuda.

Maria Jimenez

I wanted to know where the Armas family from La Jabonera Nochistlan Zacatecas come from.And the last name origin

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Dear Group,
Due to the holidays, I hadn't returned to working on the new familysearch in a few weeks.  The format has apparently changed a bit.  I'm having difficulty finding a way to enter a range of years for birth, marriage, etc.  Is it no longer possible to do?   Thanks so much for your help,
Alice

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Hello all:

I know that others have asked in the past, so I apologize. But I just want to make sure if Family Tree DNA is the way to go. Specifically, were people happy just doing the y-DNA test, which appears to be the cheapest test. Also, which y-DNA test is really necessary: y-DNA 12, 25 or 37?

My father is interested in doing the y-DNA test. As for our lineage, while I've had great success in searching various family lines from Tlaltenango (ex. Gonzalez, Arteaga, etc), I've had no luck with our surname: Pineda/ Pinedo.

I've only been able to back to go back to my grandfather's father, Nicanor Pinedo, who married twice in Tlaltenango. Based on his marriage records, his parents were Pedro Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza. But I've not been able to find any birth records for Nicanor Pinedo or marriage record for Pedro Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza, so I'm stuck.

So maybe we'll learn something from the y-DNA test.

Chris Pineda

Help please. I have several questions regarding the de la Rosa family from Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. I will start with the shorter ones so that they don’t get lost in this lengthy request.

First let me start by saying thank you for this website. I have learned to do searches and read information before asking questions as some of the time those questions have already been asked and answered. I have found a lot of information. Thank you!

1. I contacted Borderlands bookstore looking for GENEALOGIA DE NOTCHISTLAN ANTIGUO REINO DE LA NUEVA GALICIA EN EL SIGLO XVII SEGUN SUS ARCHIVOS PARROQUIALES by José Luis Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías. It is out of print. Could someone who has a copy please tell me if there is a de la Rosa family line in that book and share. Thank you.

2. There are huge gaps in records in the Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico microfilm that I am unable to put together the de la Rosa line. I would be interested in an overview as to where they may have originated and suggestions as to where to search. When researching the Aguascalientes ancestry for other lines, there were many lines that go back to the 1648 Padron (Census) which was an immense help. Plus all the other information available from the microfilm at family search, info from this website, an article by John P. Schmal on the founders of Aguascalientes, etc. Perhaps I am overlooking something for the Panuco area that would help work through these gaps. Your recommendations would be appreciated.

3. And the longest question which I probably should have asked first. Below I have listed my de la Rosa direct line from Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. I am looking for the parents of SEFERINO DE LA ROSA & VITORIA SALDIVAR. Since there are such huge gaps I have gone back and reconstructed records in Panuco for any de la Rosa from 1850 to the 1600’s, although I think they may go back to Jalisco?? I am hoping that by searching marriage records that are available I might find a note regarding any de la Rosa who required a dispensation and get back to their diocese records where hopefully there might be information on the extended family. So far I haven’t found any. But it occurs to me that others may have tried doing the same thing and may have already found connecting information????

Thank you for your help. I have data and some other lines of de la Rosa family reconstructed if anyone should be looking for family from that area. Please send a message.

I. VICENTE DE LA ROSA & LEANDRA CARREON (CARRION)
VICENTE DE LA ROSA b. 1832 Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; p. Gabriel de la Rosa
& Maria Paula Rios; marriage info. 6-16-1866; m. 7-5-1866 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; LEANDRA CARREON (CARRION) b. 1836
Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico; p. Domingo Carreon & Maria Ygnacia Lopez (Salaz).
1) JUAN DE LA CRUZ ROSA CARREON baptized 12-2-1861 San Juan Bautista,
Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
2) JOAQUIN ROSA CARRION baptized 8-23-1863 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.
3) JOSE PANTALION DE LA ROSA 8-5-1866;. m. APOLONIA MONTANEZ
4) YNES ROSA CARREON baptized 4-27-1868 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.
5) PORFIRIO ROSA CARREON baptized 3-16-1869 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.
6) GABRIEL ROSA CARREON b. 3-25-1872; baptized 3-27-1872 1866 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico. 7) VISENTE ROSA CARREON baptized 4-20-1874 San Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.

II. GABRIEL DE LA ROSA & MARIA PAULA RIOS
GABRIEL DE LA ROSA p. Seferino de la Rosa & Vitoria Saldivar; m. MARIA
PAULA RIOS p. Cristobal Rios & Eufracia Escovedo.
1) JOSE MARIA DE LA ROSA b. 1825; m. 5-20-1841 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico PATRICIA RIBERA b. 1826; p. Claudio Ribera & Maria
Francisca Gonzales.
2) VICENTE DE LA ROSA m. LEANDRA CARREON (CARRION)
3) MARIA JOSEFA FELIZ ROSA RIOS b. 11-20-1832 ; baptized 12-1-1832 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
4) JOSE MARIA CRECENCIO ROSA RIOS b. 12-29-1834; baptized 1-3-1835 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
5) MARIA JOSEFA CELSA ROSA RIOS b. 4-6-1837; baptized 4-19-1837 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
6) JOSE LUIS ROSA RIOS baptized 6-27-1839 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.
7) SANTIAGO ROSA RIOS baptized 12-20-1841 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico; m. JUANA LOPEZ p. Higinio Lopez & Maria Francisca
Rios?.
7A) DIONICIO DE LA ROSA baptized 4-19-1868 San Juan Bautista, Panuco,
Zacatecas, Mexico.

III. SEFERINO DE LA ROSA & VITORIA SALDIVAR
SEFERINO DE LA ROSA m. VITORIA SALDIVAR
1) GABRIEL DE LA ROSA. m. MARIA PAULA RIOS
2) MARIA MAXIMA DE LA ROSA
2A) JOSE MARIA MAURICIO DE LA ROSA b. 9-22-1831; baptized 9-24-1831 San
Juan Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.
3) RAFAEL DE LA ROSA m. MARIA RICARDA JARAMILLO p Eugenio Jaramillo & Maria
Josefa Yracheta.
3A) JOSE MARIA DE LA ROSA b. 8-15-1836; baptized 8-21-1836 San Juan
Bautista, Panuco, Zacatecas, Mexico.

I have used Family Tree DNA. I have used the Y-DNA 67 marker, and the mtDNA,
and have been pleased with the results. However, the Family Finder test has
been a disappointment. The default for all people with Native American DNA
is "Maya." I spoke with Bennett Greenspan the CEO and was told they do not
have ample Native American samples to be more accurate. It is a false
premise to give people the impression that everyone of Mexican descent is
genetically linked to the Maya people.

Secondly, Some of Mexican American descent are being classified as "Russian"
as a default in their Family Finder DNA. Mr. Greenspan thinks that this in
fact might be linked to some ancient people who migrated to the Basque
country from Finland, and not Russian as currently classified. There is no
historical evidence of a Russian presence in Mexico to justify use such
strong showing of Russian DNA in Mexico. Russian Jews who emigrated to
Mexico do not provide an answer.

I simply offer this as a caveat for those planning to invest money in DNA
testing.

Stella Cardoza

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Today's Topics:

1. Best DNA test provider (Chris Pineda)
2. Re: Acerca del Origen de (mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx)
3. Re: Best DNA test provider (mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx)
4. Gemelos Maria y Jesus Diaz (Sergio Rodriguez)

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Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:07:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Chris Pineda
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Hello all:

I know that others have asked in the past, so I apologize. But I just want
to make sure if Family Tree DNA is the way to go. Specifically, were people
happy just doing the y-DNA test, which appears to be the cheapest test.
Also, which y-DNA test is really necessary: y-DNA 12, 25 or 37?

My father is interested in doing the y-DNA test. As for our lineage, while
I've had great success in searching various family lines from Tlaltenango
(ex. Gonzalez, Arteaga, etc), I've had no luck with our surname: Pineda/
Pinedo.

I've only been able to back to go back to my grandfather's father, Nicanor
Pinedo, who married twice in Tlaltenango. Based on his marriage records, his
parents were Pedro Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza. But I've not been able to
find any birth records for Nicanor Pinedo or marriage record for Pedro
Pinedo and Pioquinta Cardoza, so I'm stuck.

So maybe we'll learn something from the y-DNA test.

Chris Pineda

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Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:19:32 -0800 (PST)
From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Acerca del Origen de
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Estimado Sr. Agraz,
Yo pienso que definitivamente NO existen suficientes fundamentos para pensar
que efectivemente Sebasti?n Vizca?no fue hijo natural del virrey Luis de
Velasco y Ruiz de Alarc?n. Las hip?tesis deben de probarse y "papelito
habla". Mientras no existan documentos de la ?poca que comprueben el
parentesco las hip?tesis se quedar?n en eso.
Saludos cordiales e igualmente feliz navidad y pr?spero a?o nuevo 2012.
Victoriano Navarro

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Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:26:17 -0800 (PST)
From: mnavarrovillalobos@yahoo.com.mx
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I don't know if they are the best, but I think they are pretty good.
As for the tests, Y-12 gives you too many 12/12 matches from people not
really closely related to you. The more markers the better, I would go with
the Y-37 or Y-67 one. They currently have these tests on sale, but I think
the offer ends by the end of the year.
Best regards,
Victoriano Navarro

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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 13:41:15 -0600
From: Sergio Rodriguez
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Gemelos Maria y Jesus Diaz
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Hola Primo:

I need to tell you that I found baptism registration for twins Maria and
Jesus Diaz our records show that they were born from Alejandro Diaz Lea?os
and Maria Marcos Puentes Varela.

According to this record we could be mistaken the name of the Mother it
should be Maria Marquez as shown in the record Fathers ancestors are Tadeo
Diaz y Genoveva Lea?os.
Mother ancestors are Cecilio Marques and Dominga Varela you can check it up
at

Mexico, Jalisco, Catholic Church Records,
1590-1995
Santa Mar?a de los
Angeles
Santa Mar?a de los
Angeles
Bautismos 1879-1894
Image of 776

Previous page is for the other twin brother.

Best regards and Merry Christmas.

Sergio Ernesto Rodriguez Ruiz from Queretaro Mexico.

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