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Hello Everyone,

I have two sets of ancestors in my tree with the same names. I am trying to determine if within each set, they are the same person. Both from Totatiche/Colotlan area and alive during the same time period.

The first set: LORENZO GODINA
>Lorenzo Godina (abt 1694-bef Oct 1755) married to Maria Gertrudis Rosales (abt 1720-aft 1773)
Children
>>Vicente Ferrer Godina (04/15/1741-aft 1773) m/Ma Gertrudis Lara and Josefa G Gallegos.
>>Francisco Estevan Godina (abt 1747-?) m/Juana Gertrudis Flores.
>>Joseph Maria Godina (?-aft 1773)

In the following marriage dispensation (Maria Gertrudis Rosales with Vicente Ferrer Concha 07/12/1756) statements from Lorenzo Godina when still alive include "...su declaracion, se afirmo, y ratifico y dijo ser de edad de sesenta y dos años..." and also "...estar de tercer con segundo grado de consaguinidad con la dha pretensa.." (Maria Gertrudis Rosales).

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-66SR-R3?i=181&cc=18745…

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LDM7-579

>Lorenzo Godina (abt 1700-?) married to Angela Perez Cabrera (abt 1700-bef 1732).
Children
>>Micaela Godina (abt 1717-?) m/Francisco Lopez Morillo.
>>Pablo Godina (abt 1720-?) m/Felipa Ramos.
>>Gertrudis Godina (06/23/1721-?)

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MT1F-VTD

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The second set: JACINTO ROSALES
>Jacinto Rosales (abt 1700-?) married to Isabel Perez (abt 1700-bef May 1732).
Children
>>Juan Jacinto Rosales (abt 1717-aft 1773) m/Gertrudis Concha.
>>Vicente Rosales (12/07/1718-?)
>>Maria Bartola Rosales (abt 1718-?) m/Nicolas Yldefonso Perez.
>>Maria Gertrudis Rosales (abt 1720-aft 1773) m/Lorenzo Godina and Vicente Ferrer Concha.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MT1Z-1LC

>Jacinto López Rosales (abt 1700-03/16/1761) married to Magdalena Perez Castro.
Children
>>Maria Magdalena Lopez Rosales (07/26/1721-?)
>>Manuel Antonio Rosales (06/21/1724-?)
>>Pedro Bonifacio Rosales (05/23/1726-?)
>>Maria Rosales (abt 1727-?) m/Miguel Angel Cena.
>>Antonia Catharina Rosales (abt 1730-?) m/Agustin Fernandez de Jara.
>>Clara Estacia Rosales (09/20/1733-?)
>>Gregorio Lopez Rosales (abt 1735-?) m/Maria Josefa Martinez.

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MPZD-DKN

I have dozens of links to these families, too many to post, so I posted links to familysearch that have the sources. I will gladly provide additional sources if needed/requested. If any names sound familiar, I would appreciate any help.

Thank You
Ruben Rojas

Many of the early families of Aguacalientes also had relations in San Luis Potosi. I am trying to solve a puzzle of shared compound surnames among the Nietos of Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, and San Luis Potosi.

Don Esteban Nieto (II) (estimated birth 1642) of San Luis Potosi was married twice, first to a Juana Gonzalez, second to a Dona Ana Diaz Rodriguez y Salas 26 November 1670 in San Luis Potosi. Ana was the daughter of a Rodrigo Martin and an Ana Rodriguez. Don Esteban Nieto II’s parents are not named in the marriage.

Don Esteban Nieto (II)’s descendants mostly spread throughout Armadillo de los Infante, San Luis Potosi. Strange surnames appear among two of his sons by his second wife: Augustin and Pedro. Augustin Nieto married three times, first to Angela del Castillo, second to Felipa de Cervantes, and third to Maria de Villalobos. Augustin Nieto’s descendants spread throughout Aguascalientes and, correct me if I am wrong; some begin appearing with the surname “Nieto Corona.” Don Esteban Nieto (II)’s son Pedro went by the name “Pedro Hernandez Sedillo”.

This would seem to indicate Don Esteban Nieto (II) as a son of Pedro Nieto (son of Hernando de Almeida and Isabel Hernandez) and Dona Josefa Corona. Esteban’s estimated birth of 1642 seems to match up with Pedro Nieto’s other children in Pinos. This would seem to explain why at least the surnames Hernandez and Corona spontaneously appear among the descendants of Don Esteban Nieto (II) (the origins of Sedillo/Cedillo is still a mystery). However, Pedro Nieto is not Esteban’s father.

Don Esteban Nieto (II)’s parents are not named in his marriage but curiously they are named when he was a padrino to the baptism of a boy “Leon?” (baptized 3 September 1690, in Armadillo de los Infantes) found here:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-SY44-L?i=427&wc=3PH4-VZ9%3…

Don Esteban Nieto (II) is named as the son of Esteban Nieto (I) and Ysabel Perez. This is the only primary source I have seen that directly names Don Esteban Nieto (II)’s parents.

This information seems to correspond to an old web-post found here:
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/diaz/442/

Here Don Esteban Nieto (II) is named as “Esteban del Nieto y del Rio” and described as a son of an “Esteban del Nieto y Rodruguez” with the assumption that Don Esteban Nieto (II) was related to his wife Dona Ana Diaz Rodriguez y Salas. If they are related it might be through Ana’s mother Ana Rodriguez. I have been unable to contact the original poster of this information, so I do not know of its accuracy.

The question remains: Why do some of Augustin Nieto’s descendants use Corona? …Could Dona Josefa Corona’s husband Pedro Nieto be a brother or father to Esteban Nieto (I)?

I found this archive of when my 7th generation great grandfather Antonio Madera (1660 aprox - 1709) registered this symbol to use as a branding iron for his livestock. Antonio Madera was married to "Maria Candelaria Angon (1655 aprox - 1735)

It was registered at Tlaltenango, Zacatecas since it seems that people in the Zacatecas/Jalisco area would go to Tlatenango to register things as it may have been a Government office much closer than having to go farther to Guadalajara (Real Audencia of Guadalajara).

I had seen in another archive about tierras dated 1616 tha "Xerez," was under juridiction of Tlatenango. Thats a clue when looking for Census data in that time. To look in the archives of Tlatenango.

Saludos Primos.
Les comento una cuestión que no he podido encontrarle solución y que los que tenemos a francisco de Ibarra esposo de Cathalina Díaz Mondragón en nuestra línea genealógica damos por sentado.

¿Es Francisco de Ibarra vecino de Chapala de 1610 a 1650 aprox. y esposo que fue de Cathalina Díaz Mondragón hijo del tesorero de la Nueva Vizcaya Juan de Ibarra y Albizuri?

Los archivos parroquiales no dan luz a este asunto. Los protocolos aun no arrojan mas datos y el testamento de Francisco de Ibarra no ha sido localizado.

Juan de Ibarra fue hijo de Martin de Ibarra e Yguria y Ana de Albizuri, nacido en Eibar, Guipuzcoa, España y venido a México en 1575 contando con alrededor de los 20 años.

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/245015

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/245020

Tomó el cargo de Tesorero de la Nueva Vizcaya en 1582. Caso con Isabel de Mesa, hija de Cristóbal de Ontiveros e Isabel de Nava. Tuvieron por hijos a Martin, Nicolás, Juan, Catalina, Isabel Geronima y Ana. Y entre estos a Francisco.

En 1628 en la villa de Durango, aparece un Francisco de Ibarra como padrino de una niña castiza de la casa de Juana Tello.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1M7-3BN?i=28&cc=15545…

¿Es este Francisco de Ibarra, el hijo del tesorero de la real caja de la nueva Vizcaya Juan de Ibarra?
O es este Francisco de Ibarra hermano del tesorero Juan de Ibarra a quien se le otorgo una estancia en nueva Vizcaya.

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/show/244992?nm

Si es así, ¿quién es Francisco Ibarra que Aparece en Guadalajara como vecino de Chapala en el año de 1627. Casado entonces con la descendiente de Alonso Díaz, doña Cathalina Díaz Mondragón.?
¿O es hijo de otro Ibarra?

por el valle de Guadiana o Durango, pasaron:
Francisco de Ibarra el explorador y no dejo descendencia.
Diego de Ibarra quien gobernó la nueva Vizcaya por muerte de su sobrino Juan Ibarra, tuvo dos hijos, Luis y Mariana.
Juan quien venía a ocupar el puesto de su hermano Francisco no llego a Nueva Vizcaya.
Martin López de Ibarra quien fue tesorero tuvo solo a Antonio Ibarra.

La primera liga del tesorero Juan de Ibarra y Francisco de Ibarra de Chapala son.

Francisco de Ibarra de Chapala tuvo a María Mondragón. Esta casó en primeras nupcias con el Sargento Mayor Lucas de Subia Pacheco, quedando prontamente viuda María Mondragón quien aparece en 1635 casada entonces con Francisco Pérez del Espinal.
Alonso Pacheco uno de los primeros estancieros del valle de Gaudiana y quien realizo la traza de la villa de durango estuvo ligado fuertemente a los Ibarra. Una estancia de Juan de Subia Pacheco Heredero de Alonso Pacheco terminó en manos de Francisco Medrano yerno de Juan de Ibarra. ¿Es este Lucas de Subia Pacheco esposo de maría de Mondragón pariente de Juan de Subia Pacheco que habito en Durango?

O más aún. Alonso Diaz quien recibió 2 caballerías de tierra del mismo Juan de Ibarra en 1583 mas otras 3 estancias de ganado mayor y tres caballerías de tierra entre 1578 y 1587. Fue gobernador y capitán general de la Nueva Vizcaya. ¿Es el mismo Alonso Díaz que recibió una merced de pesquería en 1585 y padre o abuelo de Cathalina Díaz Mondragón?

Además
Micaela Gregoria de Placencia esta ligada por un lado a la esposa de Juan de Ibarra por medio de Anna de Ontiveros, y por otro lado ligada en line directa con Francisco de Ibarra de Chapala por medio de Ana de Ibarra.

Anna Ontiveros Cuñada del contador Juan de Ibarra y casada con Pedro Nuñes de Prado y Córdoba
Fue bisabuela de María Gregoria Placencia. Por otro lado, fue bisnieta también Ana Ibarra Díaz Hija de francisco Ibarra.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6YBF-9?i=380&wc=3J44-L…

Espero que este embrollo se resuelva pronto.
Saludos a todos.
Gracias.

Sabe alguien sobre familias Alvarez provenientes de un lugar/rancho llamado Rosa de Castilla cerca de Arandas? En mi familia se dice que son parientes de los García y/o Velázquez, pero yo no encuentro la conexión.
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Does anybody know of any Alvarez families from a Ranch called Rosa de Castilla near Arandas? They're supposed to have family links with García and or Velázuez.

Gracias/thanks

If you have ancestors in Texas, this may be of interest:

Skimming through these images to see if there are any from Fresnillo in the first half of the 1700s and got the the first image (was going backwards from the Fresnillo padrones for 1770's) - where I see written at the top: Villa de San Fernando, Presidio de San Antonio de Vejar - IS THIS REALLY A DOCUMENT FROM SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS??? (my hometown!)

HOPE someone will take a look and come with their 2 cents...

THere are a lot of first names on the first page followed by the name/term Apache - pops up other places too. Seen the name Comanche as well, in the first few pages. Very interesting!

Best REgards
Denise

I am having a ball reading this diary of a Fray (Padre) Gaspar Jose De Solis of the College of Frays (Padres) of Guadalupe, Zacatecas, Mexico. Also known as Colegio Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe.

Year is 1767 and he leaves the college in Zacatecas to travel up north to Texas while documenting in detail things he encounters along the way. Such as making stops at haciendas that extracted silver.

One of those haciendas he stopped at was of Maria Illdelfonso De La Campa y Cos. The daughter of Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos. He described that in that area there were a lot of carboneros.

It took him 16 days to get to Texas and he visits the missions. He met the Governor of Texas Hugo O'Connor," at the Mission San Antonio De Bejar then he went on to the other missions.

https://nmdigital.unm.edu/digital/collection/scrc/id/20592/?fbclid=IwAR…

Hi, I would appreciate your help reading the last name please. First name is Maria but the last name is hard to read.
I have attached a picture.
Thank you
Esther

Are these documents digitalized or only available at their physical location? If digitalized, where can I find them?

http://www.bpej.udg.mx/ra_busc2

Example 1:

Ramo: CIVIL Año: 1689 Año 2: 1708
Progresivo: 7647 Caja: 463 Expediente: 20
Nombre: DELGADO JOSEFA Nombre 2: RODRIGUEZ MATEO
Lugar: TEOCALTICHE, NOCHISTLAN Lugar 2: GUADALAJARA
Asunto: Ante la Real Audiencia se presentó Josefa Delgadillo contra Mateo Rodríguez por pleito de tierras.

Example 2:
http://148.202.105.23:8991/F/M54MYFMMDM5QNGS45I42QAGY3TTIGL7DMTRX3HRD1V…

I am looking at this document of tierras and see a lot of places that are under jurisdiction of Juchipila and Tlatenango.

Xerez for example was under jurisdiction of Tlatenango.

As well as Jalpa was under jurisdiction of Juchipila.

Lots of places being listed here:

Film # 007985224

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-NSR8-4?i=149&cat=…

I believe that Fray Marcos de Niza was probably the very first explorer (besides the native americans) of what today is Texas and New Mexico. I think that at that time the Real Audencia was a Compostela of Nayarit, Nueva Galicia, Nueva Espana (Mexico).

Reference: GUADALAJARA,5,R.1,N.7

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/342302

Hello,

This is my first post on this forum. I've been casually browsing pages on here for years but never actually created an account. I've gone about 3 or more years now of reading through countless documents to trace back my ancestry within Nueva Galicia with a focus on Indigenous roots. I've helped several people reconnect with their distant living relatives within Aguascalientes as well. Lastly, I'm an author on lost civilizations and my background is Anthropology.

Anyways, there's a genetic anomaly in my DNA profile which only a very few people within Aguascalientes share. At first I thought it was a fluke, seeing as the Bering Strait migration from Asia carried over genetic profiles of many ethnic groups. However, this genetic trace (at around 1%) is so specific I've been able to disregard it as part of the original genetic mtDNA haplogroup migrations into the Americas. The result is that of South Indian/Sri Lankan. I've seen other people from Aguascalientes with Northern Indian, which could be the result of early immigrational epochs. I've heard rumors of Indians and Filipinos migrating into the region as early as the 1600's.

I'm just curious if anyone has come across a specific name or lineage that could reveal a little more on this subject. In all my research I've never actually come across anything closely resembling a 'chino' link as it would have been entered into the records.

Any ideas?

Familysearch.org
Tierras and Aguas 1584 - 1694
Film No. 007985224 pg 521, 522

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-NSLY-5?i=520&cat=…

Is the Leonor Gonzalez who is the mother of Felipe Nunez de Miranda the same Leonor Gonzalez who is the mother of Cristobal Vasquez de Mercado? If the same, than she is the widow of both Sebastian Vasquez de Mercado and Pedro Nunez.

Felipe Nunez de Miranda, from the city of Zacatecas, married Mariana de Sandoval on 26 Oct 1665 in Nochistlan.

Cristobal Vasquez de Mercado came to Nochistlan from the city of Zacatecas about 9 years* prior to his marriage to Petrona de Moscoso y Sandoval on 27 May 1675.
*If I read it right. My reading Spanish is only so-so.

I only have a few chapters of "Genealogía de Nochistlán antiguo reino de la Nueva Galicia en el siglo XVII según sus archivos parroquiales", so I don't know if it says anything about it.

Nicolas Perez de Bocanegra Hijo de Hernando Pérez de Bocanegra y Maria López , caso 4 veces
en primer ocasión

Nicolás De Bocanegra
Matrimonio: 27 de noviembre de 1634
Guanajuato, Guanajuato, México
Andrea Ramirez De Vargas

Nicolás De Bocanegra

Matrimonio: desconocido
San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, México

Magdalena Sanchez de Avalos

Nicolás De Bocanegra

Matrimonio: 4 de febrero de 1668
San Francisco del Rincón, Guanajuato, México

Juana De Torres

Nicolas De Bocanegra

Matrimonio: 30 JAN 1679
Santa Maria De Los Lagos,Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco,Mexico

Polonia Mesquita Torres

lo que me interesa de estos matrimonios es el segundo donde se menciona en la información matrimonial de su tercer matrimonio que Nicolás estuvo casado con Magdalena de Avalos de VILLA DE NUESTRA SEÑORA DE SAN JUAN donde fue a ver a su mama que estaba enferma y allá murió , la partida de defunción de dicha Magdalena el 13 de diciembre de 1667 en san juan de los lagos menciona a su marido Nicolás Bocanegra, por muchos años creí que eran los Padres de Josefa Pérez de Bocanegra esposa de Bernardino de Avalos casados en santa Fe Guanajuato el 26 de abril de 1664, pero me entro la duda por las edades Josefa caso en 1664 que hubiese tenido 14 años debió haber nacido en 1650 que es probable que si haya sido hija de Magdalena Sanchez de Avalos y Nicolás Pérez de Bocanegra porque Nicolás tuvo su ultimo hijo registrado con su primer esposa Andrea Ramirez de Vargas
en el año de 1645, esta ultima pudo morir ese año y Nicolás viuda casar en 1645 0 1646 dando tiempo a que naciera la Dicha Josefa Perez de Bocanegra casada con Bernardino de Avalos, Pero otra duda que me salta es que es Sanchez de Avalos y Bernardino seria Avalos Sanchez por ser Hijo de Francisco de Avalos y Maria Sanchez y Josefa es Pérez Bocanegra Sanchez de Avalos hija de Magdalena Sanchez de Avalos que en su partida de defunción menciona que un hermano pago el entierro por lo que creo que esta Magdalena era hermana de Bernardino ósea seria su suegra y hermana .

Pero luego revisando la partida matrimonial de Bernardino dice que tanto el como la esposa
Josefa Pérez de Bocanegra son españoles cuando el dicho Nicolás siempre fue tenido como mestizó es probable que no sea el padre de esta. Compañeros alguien tendrá mas información para disipar mis dudas

saludos

RE: CONTRATACION,5532,N.1,R.13

http://pares.mcu.es/ParesBusquedas20/catalogo/description/166727?nm

Is it possible that this girl was married at age 10?
Maria Feliciana Lara
b. 3 Jun 1801 (baptized 9 Jun 1801), Arandas, Jalisco, daughter of Marianno Lara and Maria Guadalupe Ramires
m. 22 May 1811, Santa Maria de Guadalupe, Arandas, Jalisco to Juan de Dios Martines

It appears that her son, also named Juan de Dios Martines, was b. 1811 in Arandas

Thanks,
Angelita

I hope this is the correct venue to ask..if anyone knows if the route Escandon to Santender

n 1746 Escandón was commissioned to inspect the country between Tampico and the San Antonio River, later known as Nuevo Santander. In January 1747 he sent seven divisions into the area, and in October he presented a colonization plan. After delays by the Spanish bureaucracy, Escandón was made governor and captain general of Nuevo Santander on June 1, 1748. In 1749 he was made Count of Sierra Gorda and Knight of the Order of Santiago by Fernando VI, and he began establishing settlements along the Rio Grande. The first two were Camargo (founded on March 5) and Reynosa (March 14). On August 22, 1750, Escandón granted José Vázquez Borrego fifty sitios for the founding of Dolores, and on October 10 he sent Vicente Guerra to set up Revilla, twenty leagues northwest of Camargo. On March 6, 1753, Escandón founded the town of Mier, and in 1755 he granted permission to Tomás Sánchez de la Barrera y Garza to found Laredo, the largest and most successful permanent Spanish settlement in Southwest Texas.

On April 30, 1727, Escandón married Dominga Pedrajo in Soto de la Marina, province of Santander, Spain. She was the daughter of Juan Manuel de Pedrajo and Dominga de Revilla. She died in 1736, and in 1737 Escandón married María Josefa de Llera from Querétaro. They had seven children. After the appointment of a royal commission in 1767, the settlers of Nuevo Santander were assigned the land grants that Escandón had promised them. Grants were made to residents of the colonies of the Rio Grande, thus starting the colonization of South Texas from the Rio Grande to the San Antonio River. José de Escandón was accused by Diego Corrido of maladministration, and he had to leave for Mexico City to defend himself. He died during the trial, on September 10, 1770, and was buried in Mexico City. In 1773 his son Manuel Ignacio de Escandón y Llera petitioned the court for a settlement; a decision rendered by the court completely exonerated the count.

My 6th great grandfather Agustin de la Rosa Married Juliana Rodriguez de Montemayor (b in Linares Nuevo Leon)..in 1755

Pedro Saldivar was born in 1714 in Rio Blanco..Thank you for any help

Hola a todos:

Durante cierto tiempo he escuchado que han investigado a la familia Franco que proviene de Silao, pero en otros escritos se habla de otros Franco relacionados con la familia Alba.
recientemente me enteré de que los conquistadores de la Sierra Gorda fueron enviados a la Sierra Gorda de Querétaro y que algunos conquistadores recibieron tierras o minas en Querétaro y Guanajuato, como ocurrió con el capitán Diego Rangel Peguero que dejó propiedades y herederos en Xichú de Indios (actualmente Victoria, Guanajuato) y en Zimapán, Hidalgo.

Acá en Querétaro hubo un Capitán Diego Franco. También existe un testamento de Rodrigo de Larrea, casado con Isabel López, quien otorgó poder a su cuñado Diego Franco para formalizar dicho testamento, pero no puedo asegurar que se trate del capitán ya que en el documento no refiere ese cargo. Otra cuestión interesante es que Rodrigo de Larrea hace referencia a lugares cercanos a Nueva Galicia:

" ...doy mi poder cumplido, del cual de derecho se requiere, a Rodrigo Marín, vecino deste pueblo, especialmente para que pueda recibir y cobrar de la persona y bienes de Alonso de Avalos Saavedra, vecino de Atoyaque, en la provincia de Ávalos y de sus bienes y de quien con derecho todos los pesos de oro quel susodicho pareciere y constara deber al dicho Rodrigo de Larrea y a sus herederos de resto de una escritura que en su favor otorgó, procedida de la venta de las estancias de Amatitlán, y caballerías de tierra y un negro que le vendió, la cual pasó ante Gregorio Ruiz, escribano público en 14 de marzo del año pasado de noventa y seis años a que me refiero..."
El testamento es de 21 de marzo de 1597, espero que sirva para alguno de ustedes.

Sobre el Capitán aparece como testigo en el matrimonio de Alonso Rodríguez de Alarcón y Mariana Salgado el día 21 de junio de 1610 en Querétaro.

Saludos

Marcelina

Hello Everyone,

I think I may have found a lead on our Leonel de Cervantes married to Leonor de Orozco. Their son Jose de Cervantes (married to Isabel Carranza) was a testigo For the dispensa of Miguel Hernandez Goyas and Luisa Becerra. As part of his testimony he admits to being a relative of Miguel's in the 4th degree (though, I think it is really 3rd and 4th degree). Here is the link to the dispensa and Jose's testimony:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6TSK-5G?i=276&cc=18745…

Miguel Hernandez was the son of Antonio Hernandez Goyas (Vasquez) and Leonor Casillas, the grandson of a Francisco Vasquez Hernandez, and a great-grandson of Martin Vasquez de Lara and Isabel Hernandez. Martin was the son of Martin Vasquez Zermeño and Ana Garcia de Miranda, the brother of Baltazar Vasquez de Lara (Luisa's ancestor) and of Elvira Gil de Lara Vasquez. Mariano Gonzalez Leal cites Elvira as married to a Jeronimo de Cervantes Orozco, with at least one daughter named Maria who was under the guardianship of her grandfather Martin Vasquez Zermeño before he died. I believe that Jose de Cervantes's testimony suggests Jeronimo and Elvira were also the parents of Leonel Cervantes (married to Leonor de Orozco).

The testimony of the other two witnesses, Nicolas de Ornelas and Tomas Sánchez de Mendoza exclude the parentesco being from Leonor de Orozco. Both of these were Jose de Cervantes's cousins, the sons of Leonor's two sisters Petronila and Maria discussed earlier in this thread. However, they both stated that the generales did not apply to them, leaving the relationship with Miguel Hernandez Goyas to be through Jose's father Leonel.

What do you all think? Does anyone have more on this Jeronimo de Cervantes Orozco?

There is one other aspect that might help us go further with this family. There was another Geronimo de Cervantes Villaseñor in Jalostotitlan who was married to Ana Muñoz Lozano de Hermosillo. They lived with their family at La Cañada de Don Geronimo de Villaseñor. Could he be a descendant of the earlier Jeronimo de Cervantes Orozco that was married to Elvira Gil de Lara? The only clue I have to his ancestors is the testimony of Joaquin de Anda Flores de la Torre for the marriage of Geronimo's daughter, where he says he is her relative.

Joaquin Is the great-grandson of Esteban de Anda Altamirano and his wife Catalina. Esteban also had three daughters with his first wife Beatriz de Barroso y Vera who married Cevantes Villaseñors. Their daughter Bernarda married Francisco Villaseñor and were involved in a lengthy legal battle over inheritence with Bernarda's half-brother Pedro. One unnamed daughter was married to a Tomas Cervantes (who seem to have lived in Puruándiro). Another named Beatriz was married to none other than a Leonel de Cervantes! These three were the albaceas of Beatriz's will according to Gonzalez Leal. Could Geronimo de Cervantes Villaseñor be a descendant of one of these three? Could they also be related to the Jeronimo Cervantes married to Elvira Gil de Lara?

Here is the link to Joaquin's testimony:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYSM-P1?i=388&wc=3J45-…

I hope we can continue to put the pieces together and crack this one very soon.

-Richard

Hi all,

I’m hoping to start some conversation about two Orozco-Villasenor sisters and a possible third who seem to have lived around Jalostotitlan and Tepatitlan in the early 1600s.

The first is Petronila de Orozco Villasenor cc Alvaro de Ornelas Mendoza el Mozo. They are the progenitors of the Ornelas-Villasenor family. A 1716 dispensa for her great-grandson Juan Antonio Ornelas Pastra cc Feliciana Sanchez Camacho identifies a sister for Petronila.

The tree looks like this:

Petronila de Orozco -1- Maria de Orozco
Nicolas Ornelas -2- Lucas Sanchez de Mendoza
Pedro Ornelas -3- Feliciana Sanchez (pretensa)
Juan Antonio Ornelas (pretenso) -4- (N/A)

This Maria de Orozco Villasenor was married to Jose Sanchez de Mendoza, the son of Maria Sanchez de Mendoza and grandson of Juan Sanchez de Lara and Martha Sanchez de Mendoza. They had a number of children who lived around Jalostotitlan and San Juan de los Lagos.
Another dispensa from 1761 may identify another sister. It is a dispensation for Manuel Geronimo Cervantes Leonel and Micaela Antonia Vanegas. The only problem is the tree as given seems to be missing a generation. Here is the tree as given by Dn Jose Gomez Hurtado de Mendoza, 56 years old:

Jose Sanchez -1- Jose Cervantes I
Maria Sanchez -2- Jose Cervantes II
J. Manuel Vanegas -3- Jose Cervantes III
Micaela Antonia Vanegas -4- Manuel Geronimo Cervantes

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6L9X-SN?i=135&cc=18745…

Comparing this tree with other records of this family, things don’t seem to add up. For one Jose Manuel Vanegas was the son of Gaspar Vanegas de Torres cc Maria Sanchez de Orozco and Jose Cervantes I was the son of Leonel de Cervantes and Leonor de Orozco. I did not know the parents of Maria Sanchez de Orozco, but it does not make sense that her father is the child of Leonel de Cervantes and Leonor de Orozco.

It seems to me that the testigo made the two primos hermanos just hermanos (lucky for us, since a parentesco en quinto grado doesn’t need a dispensa). I would argue that it makes more sense, then, to place Jose Sanchez (the father of Maria Sanchez de Orozco) as the son of Jose Sanchez de Mendoza and Maria de Orozco Villasenor. The revised tree would look like this:

Maria Orozco -1- Leonor Orozco
Jose Sanchez -2- Jose Cervantes I
Maria Sanchez -3- Jose Cervantes II
J. Manuel Vanegas -4- Jose Cervantes III
Micaela Antonia Vanegas -5- Manuel Geronimo Cervantes

That would make Leonor Orozco cc Leonel de Cervantes a sister of Petronila de Orozco Villasenor cc Alvaro de Ornelas and Maria de Orozco Villasenor cc Jose Sanchez de Mendoza. What do you all think? With all that said, does anyone have any idea who the parents of Petronila, Maria, and possibly Leonor might be? I am also interested in any other information about Leonel de Cervantes that anyone might have.

Thanks!
Richard

Hello!

I am looking for assistance locating the baptismal information for my 3x great-grandmother, Maria Ignacia Corona Guebara. She was married to Jose Reyes, who was likely baptized in 1789 at the church in Chapala, with the name Eustaquio, on 28 Oct 1815. According to the marriage information taken at the time, they were both Españoles. He was originally from and living in La Labor, single, 26 years old, and the legitimate son of Vicente Reyes and Maria Josefa Salazar; she was originally from Tizapan el Alto and living in Ocotlan for the last 14 years, single, 17 years of age, and the legitimate daughter of Miguel Corona and Maria Josefa Guebara.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XH9R-WT

I went to search for baptismal records for the church in Tizapan el Alto around 1798, as that would be about the time she was born. But it looks like the church may have been built after that time. Does anyone know which church may have been frequented by residents of Tizapan el Alto at that time? I've done search of surrounding localities, with no luck so far. Any help that anyone can give is appreciated.

Thanks!

I would like for someone who understands Spanish better than I do to look at a document and tell me what it is about. It is about my ancestors Pedro and Juan Casillas. I believe it’s their baptism document, but the abbreviation also make translating these documents harder for me.

Thanks in advance!

Kimberly

Hola Primos.
I am having a hard time on my Anda Altamirano line. I had to walk away from it 2 months ago as it was frustrating to me as there are many similar names- Pedro, Esteban, Juan, Luis, Fernando etc., many have different alias and it’s been difficult to find documentation of parents for some. I have spent countless hours reading over NR threads, reading various books, searching documents etc. and I cannot confirm who the parents of Isabel Gutierres de Altamirano (1535-?) are?

I would be most appreciative if anyone has any info to help me.
Here are my ancestors:

Pedro de Anda I (1530-1619) and most notably, Isabel Gutierres de Altamirano (1535-?)
These are their descendants, my ancestors:
Tire son:
Pedro de Anda Altamirano II (1551-1619)-Beatriz González de Castañeda (1556-1573)
Thier son:
Capitán Juan de Anda Altamirano (1595-1632) Married Juana Ruiz de Nava (1593-1667. She is the daughter of Maria lopez de Nava and Alonso Lorenzo Guerra)

Their son:
Juan de Anda Altamirano (1627-1683). He married Isabel Martinez de Alarcon Rubacalva (1635-¿) She is the daughter of Josefa Bautista Ruvacalba and Miguel Martinez de Alarcon.

Their daughter:
Maria de Anda Altamirano (1662-1715) Married Diego Miramontes Ortiz (1658-1715)

Mil Gracias,
Pauline (maven200)

One of my sets of 10th great grandparents were Antonia de Anda Altamirano (allegedly de Viduarre) and Pedro Mexia (Mejia). Antonia and Pedro were married on 11 Dec 1650 by Father (licensiado) Don Alejo de Viduarri with the assistance of Juan de Contreras (y Fuerte ?). Pedro Mexia was the son of Marcos Mexia and Agustina de Medina; while Antonia de Anda Altamirano was the daughter of Pedro de Anda y Altamirano

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The witnesses were Juan Saes de Viduarri, his son Diego Ortiz Viduarri, and Juan del Castillo. No padrinos are listed.

Pedro de Anda Altamirano married Catalina de Viduarre on 28 Jul 1648, ergo Catalina de Viduarre cannot be Antonia de Anda y Altamirano's mother.... Who is her mother?