Hernandez , Banuelos ,Sanchez .

My paternal ggg grandparents were from Magdalena , Jalisco are . This is what I know Luis Hernandez B:1794 married Maria Ascension Robles B:1798 in the church of Magdalena , Jalisco on May 29 1819 . It also said that Luis was the son of a " Padrino Conocido " and Maria Virgen B:1774 . Luis and Maria had a son named Concepcion B:1835 married Juana Banuelos B:1840 on October 23 1858 in Parroquia de Magdalena , Jalisco . I have a photo copy of the "acta de matrimonio" . Concepcion and Juana had a son named Doroteo B:1862 married Juana Sanchez B:1866 on April 24 1882 . Doroteo and Juana had a son named Agapito B: Sep.20,1892 married Soledad Guerrero B:1899 on March 03 1917 . Agapito and Soledad had a son named Arturo B:July 15 1934 married Encarnacion Rubio B:March 25 , 1935 on April 06 1952 . Last names of paternal side not listed Garcia and Becerra . Paternal maternal names not listed Diaz , Aranda , Gutierrez , Rodriguez , Bobadilla and Pinedo . Any information on the "Padrino Conocido" would be appreciated .

Nicolas Macias&Josefa de Alvarado andThomas Macias-Maria Lopez de Lizalde

I remember reading an article from a fellow genealogist that found the documentation in utah when he studied the genealogical tables/history of the meNdoza family. Unfortunately he did not give specific details as to the source, just that it was in the library in utah.
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Has anyone ever found the source for Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza's parents? I dont know how Jose Luis Vasquezcame to that conclusion, I dont disregard it but just wonder the source. I have studied the Mendoza family,undoubtfully one of the most important families in all of Nueva Galicia. I have Genealogias de Nochistlan (thanksto a good friend) and it says Inigo Lopez de Mendoza and Maria Laso de Mendoza were ambos de Nochistlan.So they actually did live in Nochistlan according to the book. Even don Mariano Gonzalez Leal is still puzzledat this line, we still cannot trace or connect our Mendoza to those of Spain with full documentation, probdue to the lack of records in the early years of the colony. Any comments?
-Daniel

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Marriage of Mariano Romo to Paula Reyez abt. 1866

I am reaching out to the group as I am at a dead end. I am trying to find the parents of Mariano Romo through IGI Marrige, the best I was able to fine was a marriage of there children-Manuel and Simona who were wed on the same day! Anyone with some help or direction would be appreciated.

Manuel Romo
Caquistle
Parents
Father:Mariano Romo
Mother: Paula Reyes
Spoce: Carlota Beltran
Marriage: 15NOV 1884 Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Batch:M602696 Source:11555000 Type: Film

Simona Romo
Caquistle
Father:Mariano Romo
Mother: Paula Reyes
Spoce: Simon Beltran
Marriage: 15NOV 1884 Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico
Batch:M602696 Source:11555000 Type: Film

Wonderful link!!

English:

To everybody researching roots in spain:

Just to share a New link that I just found, which I think is going to help a lot in our group and those looking for genealogy in Spain:

I wish it could be included in our list of links here at Nuestros Ranchos.

http://www.fundacionmedinaceli.org

Is just wonderful to se all the gedcoms included in this library..
hope it helps!!

Saludos!!!

Español:

A todos los que investigan linajes en España:

Solo para compartirles este nuevo link que encontre navegando la red, el cual creo que les puede ayudar a todos en el grupo investigando genealogia en España:

Espero pueda ser incluido en nuestra lista de ligas aqui en Nuestros Ranchos

http://www.fundacionmedinaceli.org

Es increible la cantidad de informacion y de gedcoms incluida en esta investigacion
ojala les sirva!!

Saludos!!!

Introduction w/direct link...

Hello,

The requested info is attached.

Thanks,
Julie

Direct Link: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18354
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Your folder in the files area has been created and can be accessed by going
to "files" and "Last Name, First Name". Please send in your introduction to
research@nuestrosranchos.org with this direct link:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18354

Su carpeta en el area de los archivos se ha creado y puede ser acceso yendo
al "files" y "Apellido, Primer Nombre". Envie por favor en su introduccion a
research@nuestrosranchos.org con este enlace:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18354

joseph

Parte de mi Familia ( Los Casillas )

Hola a todos soy nueva en esto,mi nombre es Gloria Noemi Casillas y quiero compartir lo poco que hemos encontrado ya que he tenido la fortuna de contar con la ayuda de un amigo en mi investigacion y aprovecho para agradecerle su tiempo a Ruben Casillas Moreno y espero le sirva a alguna persona como punto de partida y de paso encontrar parientes lejanos. Aun sigo investigando a mi familia por parte de los Casillas: el Ancestro mas lejano hasta el momento es Francisco Casillas casado en 1718 con Dorotea Ephigenia Dias

Entonces mi genealogia a partir de el seria

Francisco Casillas casado con Dorotea Ephigenia Dias Cruz en 1718 en Ayo el Chico
Hijos:Crespin, Manuel Antonio

Manuel Antonio Casillas Dias casado con Maria Gregoria Ruiz Villaseñor en 1762 en Guad, Jal
Hijos:Juana de Dios,Antonio Luciano,Jose Hipolito Casiano

Antonio Luciano Casillas Ruiz casado con Juana Acencia Hernandez en 1788 en Guad,Jal
Hijos: (aun no encuentro descendencia)
Antonio Luciano Casillas Ruiz casado con Maria Brigida Ybarra Castellano en 1804 en Guad,Jal
Hijos: Josef Pablo de Jesus,Jose, Magdalena

Josef Pablo de Jesus Casillas Ybarra casado con Guadalupe Nuñez Rodriguez en 1831 en Guad,Jal
Hijos: Juan Climaco

Juan Climaco Casillas Nuñez casado con telesfora Ruesga Reynoso en 1856 en Guad,Jal
Hijos: Visenta,Pablo,Maria Cesaria,Maria Telesfora
Juan Climaco Casillas Nuñez Casado con Francisca Robles Lopez en 1883 en Guad,Jal
Hijos: Jose Juan Francisco

Jose Juan Francisco Casillas Robles casado Francisca Limon Gomez en 1906, Guad,Jal
Hijos: Maria del Carmen,Carlos,Dolores, Maria Luisa, Juan Francisco

Juan Francisco Casillas Limon casado con Maria Teresa Sanchez Coronado en 1945, Guad,Jal
Hijos:Jose de Jesus,Salvador Alejandro,Maria Teresa,Maria Dolores,Vicente

Salvador Alejandro Casillas sanchez casado con maria de los Angeles Ocegueda Murguia en 1974 en Guad, Jal.

Sigo investigando y espero encontrar mas ancestros.

Response for Zacatecas/ Jalisco Records

Hi all, I got a reply saying we need to contact The Genealogical Society of Utah so we can be granted an Extraction access
program. Costa Rica and Peru were granted where instead of only viewing images we can extrct then the record can be searched using a search bar instead of searching page by page, would make genealogy a lot faster. We as Nuestros Ranchos
need to write up a letter if we even want to be considered, I know one person wont make the cut. Does anyone want to oversee this whole thing? I can forward you the email.

-Daniel Mendez Camino

Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society Conference

Dear Nuestros Ranchos Members:

The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society of Northern California
will be hosting a Geanology conference in the San Jose / Milpitas area of Northern Californa, the weekend of March 6 & 7, 2010.

We are happy to announce that one of our Guest Speakers will be none other than Arturo Ramos of Washington DC, our illustrious Nuestros Ranchos leader. If only we could have both Joseph and Arturo.Our other illustrous guest speaker will be Rose Hardy who is also a member of Nuestros Ranchos and like Arturo, is also a published author.

We're still in the throes of the preparations thanks to Helyn Sparkman's gargantuan efforts. As soon as we know how many people will be attending we'll provide you with the venue. We need to have your commitment on or before January 29th.

If you or anyone you know is interested in attending, please make your reservation with Helyn or Maria or if you have any questions about lodging or transportation they will be happy to assist you. See their e-mail below. One of the possible venues is the Sheraton Hotel in Milpitas/San Jose.

visit our website at www.nuevagalicia.org
Helyn Sparkman mistyriver@yahoo.com,  
Maria Cortez mcortez@gmail.com

We invite all Nuestros Ranchos members to attend and even participate as presenters. We know there are many talented individuals with much wisdom to share. We hope to see you here as an attendee or a presenter!!

En Español

La Sociedad Genealogica de Nueva Galicia, del Norte de California se complace en invitar a todos los miembros de Nuestros Ranchos a una conferencia Genalogica que se efectuara los dias 6 y 7 de Marzo, 2010, en San Jose / Milpitas California.

Tenemos el gusto de anunciar que dos miembros muy ilustres de Nuestros Ranchos seran los invitados de honor, Arturo Ramos, de Washington DC y Rose Holly de Fresno, California. Ambos han publicado libros de su Genealogia y daran presentaciones

Si tienes un tema de interes que quieras presentar con respecto a la Genealogia, por favor comunicate con Helyn Sparkman o Maria Cortez. 

Gracias al gran esfuerzo de Helyn Sparkman, la coordinadora local, hay un par de sitios para el evento, pero antes de finalizar el local, es necesario que se apunten todos los interesados en acudir para reservar el sitio adecuado. 

Si te interesas tu o conoces alguien que tenga interes en estudios Genealogicos, hagan su reservacion antes del 29 de Enero , envia un e-mail a Helyn Sparkman, mistyriver@yahoo.com o Maria Cortez mcortez@gmail.com. y visita nuestro sitio, www.nuevagalicia.org

Alicia Carrillo
San Jose, Calif

Appreciation

As one of the "barely active" members right now, I want to let those active ones, especially ones that are volunteering for extractions, know how much your work is appreciated. For a variety of reasons, I can't put the time into genealogy that I wish right now. I'm sure I speak for many when I say that you are appreciated and envied. Thank you for keeping this community alive and well. Best of luck with the hunt.--Raquel

Zacatecas Marriages Early 1600s

I have posted scans from the earliest surviving Zacatecas marriage film, which includes marriages from the first half of the 17th Century. Because of fire damage, the film only has remnants of a book therefore it is incomplete. I have extracted many of the marriages to the GEDCOM database. If someone is interested in helping to complete the project, please let me know.

The scans of the film can be accessed at:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/zacatacas_marriages

ESPANOL:

He publicado scans de la película mas antigua de matrimonios de Zacatecas que aun se conserva, que incluye los matrimonios de la primera mitad del siglo 17. A causa de daño de fuego, la película sólo tiene restos de un libro por lo tanto, es incompleta. He extraído muchos de los matrimonios a la base de datos GEDCOM. Si alguien está interesado en ayudar a completar el proyecto, por favor hágamelo saber.

Se pueden acceder las imagenes de la película en:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/zacatacas_marriages

I'm back.

Hi everyone,
My name is Maria Elena Gutierrez-Uhlenburg, I took a couple of years off from genealogy but I'm back now.  My research started in Los Altos de Jalisco, Mexico and has now gone back Spain and Italy.  I wanted to say a special hello to my cousins Irma Gomez and Maria Cortez.  Genealogy is an addiction in itself once you get started.

Hello, Introduction...

Hello:

I´m José Humberto Suárez Villarreal. I´ve been doing some research on my family, for almost 10 years or so I focused mainly in my maternal side (Villarreal De La Fuente Zertuche Rodríguez - from Nuevo León and Coahuila). But a couple of years ago I started with my paternal lines (Orozco, Moreno). Later I found interesting links of this families with the "Familias Alteñas" that were in Nueva Galicia since the times of colonization.

I will be posting the info I´ve got, although its not much because I mainly go just directly to my ancestors without having discovered much about the colateral branches of the family. But of what I have seen in this last week in this website there is tons of information that just need some analysis to be linked.

I recently went to Lagos de Moreno and to La Union de San Antonio to visit for the first time my paternal grandfather´s birthplace. It was a wonderfull trip in which all the time I imagined my ancestors walking the same streets alongside a church or a downtown plaza.

My grandfather José Suárez Orozco who was born in 1918 in La Unión de San Antonio (still living), was one of the 75 grandchildren of José Ignacio Orozco González "Papa Nacho" and of Zenaida Moreno Gómez. The aunts, uncles and cousins or our family has mainly focused in the descendants of this couple, we are a reallly big family, but I have always been curious about the ancestors of earlier centuries. The parents of José Ignacio and Zenaida were: José Ramón Tello de Orozco y González Rubio from San Miguel El Alto and María Josefa González del Castillo y Ortiz de Parada. José Ignacio was born in La Hacienda La Sandía, Adobes (Unión de San Antonio), Jalisco. He married Zenaida in la Parroquia del Señor de la Misericordia, La Unión de San Antonio, Jalisco, México and she was born in Hacienda La Tuna Alta, La Unión de San Antonio, Jalisco, her parents were Juan de Diós Moreno y Maldonado and María Higinia Gómez de Portugal y González.

The grandparents of José Ignacio and Zenaida were:
José Ignacio Tello de Orozco y Gutiérrez de Mendoza and Rita González Rubio y Márquez.
Fermín González del Castillo y González de Rubalcava and Francisca Ortíz de Parada y González de Rubalcava.
José Antonio Melquiades Moreno (de Ortega) y Moreno and María Manuela Maldonado y Moreno.
José María Gómez de Portugal Hermosillo and María Ana González Moreno.

The great grandparents of José Igancio and Zenaida were:
José Luis Tello de Orozco y Jiménez de Castro and María Rosa (Francisca?) Gutiérrez de Mendoza y Gutiérrez.
Juan de Diós González Rubio and Mariana Márques <--- here I haven´t been able to continue because I have to order IGI Films.
Juan José González Díaz del Castillo and María Gertrudis González Villalobos <--- to verify both
Bernabé Manuel Ortíz de Parada y García and María Trinidad González de Rubalcava y Guerra <-- to verify both
Marcos Moreno de Ortega Hurtado and María de la Ascención Moreno Pérez.
Juan Maldonado y Moreno and María de San José Moreno y Velázquez.
José Matías Gómez de Portugal Hurtado de Mendoza and María Luisa de Hemosillo Álvarez.
Francisco Antonio González and María Isidora Moreno.

In some branches I have been able to connect with those families of the 16th and 17th centuries. For other I haven´t but I hope in time I will (years or decades, there´s plenty of time).

But you all know that in researching a surname, you end up with plenty of them because the conections between relatives of earlier times were a common thing. So the surnames in which I do some research (they belong to my direct ancestors) are the following:

Tello de Orozco / Orozco
Carbajal y Ulloa
Figueroa y Temiño de Bañuelos <-- (temiño and treviño are the same family, curious thing, some stayed in Nueva Galicia and some went up north, 4 centuries later my mom and dad married and the lines were unified again).
Maciel y Liebano / Luevano
Zamora y Orozco del Castillo
Maldonado
Gómez de Espejo
Navarro y de la Cerda
Gaytán y de Vargas de Alcocer
Villegas, Altamirano
Lopez de Nava and all variations
González de Hermosillo and all variations
Rubio and all its variations
Hernandez de Arellano y Hurtado de Mendoza
Gutiérrez Rubio
González Florida and again all variations
Muñóz, Ramírez, Torres, de la Barba, Ruvalcaba / Rubalcava, Martín del Campo
Solís, Vázquez and Gil de Lara and variations like Vázques de Lara
Padilla Dávila
de la Mota y Vera
Flores de la Torre and Anda Altamirano
Arias Orozco, Arias Valdéz
and so on....

As you can see I do some research in everything because as you dig more and more, well its more the information you have. And what started like a "I want to know who my great grandparents were", ends up in a big headache for my mom who has been enduring my endless gossip, talks and little stories of the information I have been able to discover by many third party contributions and hundreds of hours spend in front of the computer and books.

Any question you have I´ll be glad to respond and hopefully one day I´ll meet with some of the distant cousins that are in this group.

Best Regards.
José Humberto
Best Regards

Andariegos y Pobladores de Nueva Galicia y Nueva Espana

José Miguel Romero de Solís of the Colegio de Colima has published a seminal work with biographies of the earliest settlers of the town of Colima in the 16th Century. The biographies are compilations of primary source materials found in the Colima Archive. The book is available online at:

http://www.casadelarchivo.gob.mx/sigloxvi/ANDARIEGOS_Y_POBLADORES.pdf

From the book I have been able to compile three generations of ancestry of Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro, who was married to Maria de Esquivel. The couple lived in Tlaltenango at the end of the 16th and beginning of the 17th centuries and, mainly through their daughter Cecilia Lopez, are one of the principal early Spanish families from which people in the region descend.

==ESPANOL==
José Miguel Romero de Solís del Colegio de Colima ha publicado un trabajo seminal con las biografías de los primeros pobladores de la Villa de Colima en el siglo 16. Las biografías son compilaciones de materiales de fuentes primarias que se encuentran en el Archivo de Colima. El libro está disponible en línea en:

http://www.casadelarchivo.gob.mx/sigloxvi/ANDARIEGOS_Y_POBLADORES.pdf

A traves del libro he podido recopilar tres generaciones de antepasados de Pedro Ortiz de San Pedro, quien fue marido de María de Esquivel. La pareja vivía en Tlaltenango al final del siglo 16 y comienzo del siglo 17 y, sobre todo a través de su hija Cecilia López, fueron una de las principales familias españoles de la region de las cuales descienden innumerables personas de la región.

Zacatecas Culture

This is more culture related that genealogy related - but la familia is about culture lived in the past and transmitted through the generations. And a lot of family culture has been passed around the dinner table.
I came across this mention of food in Zacatecas - I hope you enjoy reading it.

http://tazadechocolate.blogspot.com/2010/01/family-jewels.html

natalie, in VA

PS - do you have a favorite recipe or dish that was passed down from your immigrant Zacatecas ancestor?

Research Digest, Vol 47, Issue 11

Hi Daniel,
Thanks for the tip! My grandmother was born in Aguascalientes, AGS but it
turns out she is descended from the Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado line! I found a
genealogy tree for the Alvarez Tostado line posted on familytreemaker.com,
by Pablo Alvarez Tostado. He even had my father and all my aunts and uncles
listed there!
Jose

> -----------------------------------
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:34:48 -0800
> From: Daniel Mendez de Camino y Soto
> To: Patty Hoyos
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] introduction - de la Torre-Berumen
> Uribarren
> Message-ID:
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> Welcome to the Group!
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> You stated My grandfather was Luis de la Torre,
> who married Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado. Of my
> grandmother's family I know nothing, but that will be a future area of
> research.
>
>
>
> Carmen Mercedes Ruiz de Chavez y Alvarez Tostado.
>
>
>
> Was your grandma from Los Altos de Jalisco? Alvarez y Tostado
>
> is a family in Los Altos: you might want to start on this line?
>
> This family has been researched extensivly, You could probably
>
> easily trace it back to its patriatch Lorenzo.
>
>
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> -Daniel
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Heading error. Research Vol 48 - 2 should read Calvillo, Ags. 1850 - 1900 Serna - Robles

I have been unble to place this Ancestry in my database. any info on these
relations would be appreciated. Thank you David Serna

Descendants of Hilario Serna

Generation No. 1

1. HILARIO SERNA He married YSABEL ROBLES.

Child of HILARIO SERNA and YSABEL ROBLES is:
2. i. HIPOLITO SERNA.
Generation No. 2

2. HIPOLITO SERNA He married HERMINIA SERNA, daughter of PABLO SERNA and
VIBIANA RODRIGUEZ.

Children of HIPOLITO SERNA and HERMINIA SERNA are:
i. PEDRO SERNA, b. 18 Nov 1890, Jaltiche, Calvillo, Ags..

More About PEDRO SERNA:
Baptism: 23 Nov 1890, San Jose, Calvillo, Ags.

ii. PAULA SERNA, b. Bef. 02 Jul 1893, Calvillo, Ags..

Historia de la flor Noche Buena

Hola a todos/as:
Ya que acaban de pasar las fiestas de navidad, como hispanos y mas para los que radicamos fuera de los paises ancestrales. Solo me gustaria que leyeran la informacion que se encuenta en esta pagina www.terra.com.mx/articulo.aspx?articuloId=207937
articulo que habla sobre la flor.

Ha y tambien quiero que recordemos el significado de la Rosca de Reyes.

FELIZ 2010!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What ever happened to the missing 1719-1733baptismal r

Bill
I too have ancestors in Aguas. Thank you so much for your research!

Mickey

In a message dated 12/31/2009 1:52:20 P.M. Central Standard Time,
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com writes:

Bill-

Thank you so much for the trouble and expense you went through to find
this out for us. I had traced my husband's family back to Encarnacion de
Diaz, and other places in Jalisco, then found in records in microfilms mention
that many of them had come from Aquascalientes originally in the early
1700s. I had looked and looked in many Aguacalientes films and never found
them, now I know why.

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: bill_figueroa@usa.net
To:
research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:59 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What ever happened to the missing
1719-1733baptismal records from Aguascalientes?

To: all members of Nuestros Ranchos

Te following excerpts are from a letter I sent to the Family History
Library in Salt Lake City, UT in August of 2008. It contains important
information for those focusing their research in Aguascalientes. Since I didn't
get a reply or noticed any corrective action taken, I decided to post it in
this forum for the benefit of all members of Nuestros Ranchos.

"For several years I had been trying to find the baptismal record of my
4th great grandfather Vicente Ruiz de Esparza, but soon realized that it was
missing. As a matter of fact, all the baptisms of “Españoles” from
1719-1733 from “Parroquia de la Asunción de Aguascalientes” seemed to be
missing. I searched over and over for these records, carefully combing through a
number of microfilms, to no avail. Finally, in desperation, I decided to
take a trip to Aguascalientes in central Mexico (I live in Texas) to find
out if the book had been lost or never filmed by the LDS."

"The original records are kept by the Catholic Church in a building
adjacent to the Cathedral. Unfortunately, these records are not accessible to
the public, as the Church is trying to preserve them for future generations.
An exception was made in my case, considering that I had embarqued in such
a long journey to look for a specific record. It took the librarian less
than 30 minutes to locate the record, which he found in an “insert” with
records for the 1781-1786 time period. The following paragraphs will
explain what happened."

"Sometime during the late 19th or early 20th century the Catholic Church
in Aguascalientes decided to organize hundreds of records by rebinding them
with new hardcovers. The number on the original volumes, numbered
sequentially #1 thru ?? was displayed on the spine of the new books. It is
important to mention that in colonial times the records for descendants of
Spaniards or “Españoles” were kept in separate books from those of “Indios,
Negros, Mulatos, Mestizos, Castizos...etc.” Record Book #12 consisted of
baptisms for “Españoles” for the years 1719-1733. This book was inadvertedly
left out and later bound with books #39-43 which were for baptisms for the
years 1781-1786. This book covers the periods 1781-1733 and 1719-1733 as
shown on the enclosed pictures." (not included here)

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Days Saints’ crew that microfilmed
these records in the 1970s must have realized that they were out of order
because they kept them separate. The records for 1781-1786 are included in
microfilm #299445. The baptisms for “Españoles” for 1719-1733 ended up in
microfilm #299530, erroneously identified as being from La Cieneguilla. La
Cieneguilla is a rural community and farming area some 20 miles SW of
Aguascalientes."

"The baptismal records for 1719-1733 have been extracted and recently
included in the new FamilySearch Pilot site, improperly identifying each record
as being from La Cieneguilla instead of Aguascalientes. This is very
confusing and should be corrected."

"I have found other errors that I plan to report separately, but do not
include them in this letter to keep it simple. If you have any questions do
not hesitate to contact me."

Regards,

BILL FIGUEROA

Calvillo, Ags. 1850 - 1900 Serna - Rosales

I have been unble to place this Ancestry in my database. any info on these relations would be appreciated. Thank you David Serna

Descendants of Hilario Serna

Generation No. 1

1. HILARIO SERNA He married YSABEL ROBLES.

Child of HILARIO SERNA and YSABEL ROBLES is:
2. i. HIPOLITO SERNA.
Generation No. 2

2. HIPOLITO SERNA He married HERMINIA SERNA, daughter of PABLO SERNA and VIBIANA RODRIGUEZ.

Children of HIPOLITO SERNA and HERMINIA SERNA are:
i. PEDRO SERNA, b. 18 Nov 1890, Jaltiche, Calvillo, Ags..

More About PEDRO SERNA:
Baptism: 23 Nov 1890, San Jose, Calvillo, Ags.

ii. PAULA SERNA, b. Bef. 02 Jul 1893, Calvillo, Ags..

Calvillo, Ags. 1850 - 1900 Serna - Lopez

I have been un able to place these Serna -Lopez Families in my database. Any info on Cirilo, Micaela, Aurelio Serna or this Lopez family would be appreciated.

Descendants of Cirilo Serna

Generation No. 1
1. CIRILO SERNA He married MICAELA SERNA.

Child of CIRILO SERNA and MICAELA SERNA is:
2. i. AURELIO SERNA.

Generation No. 2

2. AURELIO2 SERNA He married SEVERIANA LOPEZ, daughter of PRUDENCIO LOPEZ and MARIA FLORES.

Child of AURELIO SERNA and SEVERIANA LOPEZ is:
i. GUADALUPE SERNA, b. 14 May 1904, Arroyo de Soto, Calvillo, Ags..

More About GUADALUPE SERNA:
Baptism: 15 May 1894, San Jose, Calvillio, Ags.

The Time of Birth on Baptismal Certificates for San Miguel

Recently I started my Familytree Maker cleanup of my Alviso/Bejar genealogy trees. I am adding a few things I did not add originally. One is the time of birth. Oddly, many of the times are 3 pm, and I know this many children could not have been born at 3 pm. Was this just a catch all time in case the exact time was not known or possibly they just guessed not having clocks? Some also have other times such as 12 noon or 11 o'clock at night, so I am not sure why 3 pm was so popular. Has any one else noticed this?

Maureen Bejar