Hi Paul,
It so happens that keeping a woman inside her home for 40 days is not
unique to the Mexican culture. Read the following article - it gives quite a
bit of information:
_http://www.nursingcenter.com/prodev/ce_article.asp?tid=408218_
(http://www.nursingcenter.com/prodev/ce_article.asp?tid=408218)
Bill,
I just wanted to echo the thanks and kudos that have already been
posted here. You are the most accomplished Genealogist ever! Thanks
for sharing this important bit of information. You always stick to
the facts and never post useless opinions. That's the mark of a true
Genealogist.
Maria Cortez
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] What ever happened to the missing 1719-1733baptismal records from Aguascalientes?
>
>
> To: all members of Nuestros Ranchos
>
> Te following excerpts are from a letter I sent to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City, UT in August of 2008. It contains important information for those focusing their research in Aguascalientes. Since I didn't get a reply or noticed any corrective action taken, I decided to post it in this forum for the benefit of all members of Nuestros Ranchos.
>
> "For several years I had been trying to find the baptismal record of my 4th great grandfather Vicente Ruiz de Esparza, but soon realized that it was missing. As a matter of fact, all the baptisms of ?Espa?oles? from 1719-1733 from ?Parroquia de la Asunci?n de Aguascalientes? seemed to be missing. I searched over and over for these records, carefully combing through a number of microfilms, to no avail. Finally, in desperation, I decided to take a trip to Aguascalientes in central Mexico (I live in Texas) to find out if the book had been lost or never filmed by the LDS."
Hello primos,
I am busy researching my Rodriguez and Esparza lines, my grandparents immigrated to the U.S. in about 1929, and like a lot of people for waht ever reason decided not to pass along much information! So now we are all Nancy Drew and the Hardy Boys.
My family search has run into a few snags in the 6th generation across the board and my Grnadmother's maternal line in entirely. My regions are pretty limited to Juchipila (Atemajac, Moyahua, El Ranchito, Tlaltennango de Sanchez Roman and Teul.
Here is the quick run down of the Rodriguez line:
(GGGG Grandpa and Grandma)
Jose Rodriguez
Wife: Balvina Reynoso (Balbina) (Valbina) (Valvina)
Children:
1810 Pedro Rodriguez
1816 Damacio Rodriguez
1817 Antonio Rodriguez
1822 Maria Merced (married Jose Maria Barreda, 1858)
(GGG Grandpa and Grandma)
Pedro Rodriguez
Wife, married 1826: Celedonia (Seledonia) (Zeledonia) Guitierrez (s)
Children:
1827 Lorenza Rodriguez (s), born in Moyahua, Juchipila Zacatecas
1831 Jose (Maria Rito) Rodriguez Gutierrez (married Manuela Banuelos)
(GG Grandpa and Grandma)
Jose (Maria Rito) Rodriguez Gutierrez
Wife: Manuela Banuelos
Children:
1860 Juan Rodriguez (married Petra Villalobos, 1887)
1882 Gulliermo Rodriguez (married, D.O.B. 1806,Maria De Los Nieves De Jesus Placencia Susana (Unknown)/Maria Jesus Plascencia)
1832 Luis Rodriguez, Moyahua, Juchipila, Zacatecas (married Francesca Luna)
1839 Dorotea Rodriguez (married Felipe Benites, 02/05/1860)
1846 Dinocio Rodriguez, (married Dorotea Banuelos, 1876)
1855 Antonia Rodriguez (married Florentino Ramires 1873)
1856 Dominga Rodriguez, (married Regino Gonzales)
Children: Tiburcio Gonzales
Raimunda Carillo
(G Grandpa and Grandma)
Guillermo Rodriguez
Wife: Maria De Los Nieves De Jesus
Placencia Susana (Unknown)/Maria Jesus Plascencia
Children:
(my Grandpa)
Ricardo Rodriguez, m. 1927, Petra Esparza, El Ranchito, Zacatecas
The Esparza Line:
(GGGG Grandpa and Grandma)
Tomas Esparza
wife: Maria Magdelena Sigala
*** found on marriage record for Jose Noverto and Maria Juana De Aro***
Children:
1809 Jose Noverto, Moyahua
(GGG grandpa and grandma)
(Jose) Noverto Esparza
Wife: Maria Juana De Aro,DOB 1810, m. 1827, Moyahua, Zacatecas
Children:
1836 Antonio Esparza
Roman Esparza (married 1872)
(GG grandpa and grandma)
Antonio Esparza
Wife: Jacinta Luna, m: 1854, Moyahua, Zacatecas
Children:
1873 Jose Tiburcio Esparza Luna
Telesforo Esaparza, (married in 1888)
1860 Eufemia Esparza, Moyahua de Estrada (married 1877 Jose del los Angeles Luna)
Pomposo Esparza (married 1889 Teodocia Salazar)
Ambrocia Esparsa (married 1879 Jose Maria Enriques)
(G grandpa and grandma)
Jose Tiburcio Esparza Luna
Wife: Lenora (Leana) Robles, m. 1894, San Francisco, Juchipila, Zacatecas
Children:
1898 Maria Primitiva Esparza
1895 Maria Emilia Esparza
1904 Ysidra Esparza
1901 Jose Ramon Esparza
1907 Petra Esparza
Well those are my immediate lines, other surnames of interest:
Esparza Line Family Names: De Aro, Haro, Lamas, Luna, Ponze, Robles, Sigala
Rodriguez Family Names: Banuelos, Carillo, Espitia, Estrada, Falcon, Gutierrez, Ocampo (s), Plasencia, Nunes, Quintero, Reynozo, Rodriguez, Salasar
Thank you for your time, I hope that we can make some connections!
Elysia Rodriguez
We have a lot to be thankful for. The group has been growing
tremendously via Arturo's Website Wizardry. I think the membership was
just at 100 when he took the website to where it is now and i think we
currently have about 450 members (not all active but still at times
there can be a significant amount of discussion).
Tenemos mucho para ser agradecidos. El grupo ha estado creciendo
enormemente gracias a Arturo y su trabajo con el Website. Pienso la
calidad de miembro era apenas en 100 cuando él asumió el control y
pienso que tenemos actualmente cerca de 450 miembros (no todos activos
pero todavía ocasionalmente allí puede ser una cantidad significativa de
discusión).
A couple of things:
Unas par de cosas:
1) You all know how I used to get so happy when people made a
connection. Well with so many people making connections I didn't want to
use too much bandwidth to convey my joy. I am still doing backward
internal somersaults. Our ancestors would be so happy to know that after
losing each other for hundreds of (100, 200, or even 300) years some of
the family branches have become reunited via our genealogy research. Our
families have a lot to be thankful for even if they don't exactly
understand the significance of reunifying via our genealogical labor of
love. Thank you for efforts you all have been a blessing to me.
1) Ustedes todos saben conseguía tan feliz cuando la gente hizo una
conexión. Bien con tan mucha gente que hace conexiones no quice utilizar
demasiada anchura de banda para transportar mi alegría. Todavía estoy
haciendo volteretas internas posteriores. Nuestros antepasados se
placerían tan saber que después de perderse para los centenares (100,
200, o aún 300) de años algunas de las ramas de la familia se han
juntado vía nuestra investigación de la genealogía. Nuestras familias
tienen mucho ser agradecidas para incluso si ellas no entienden
exactamente la significación de reunificar vía nuestro trabajo del amor
genealógico. Gracias por esfuerzos usted que toda ha sido una bendición
a mí.
2) I want to thank you all for making 2009 a peaceful year online. There
have been a couple of discussion threads that came close to getting out
of hand but you all still maintained a professional and courteous manner
of communication. Maybe it was a concern that I would rather shut down
the group than let it continue in open argumentative discussion (I've
always considered that private email is the best place for that) but I
would rather believe that you are all trying really hard to keep things
peaceful and without harsh communications. I'm expecting 2010 to add
more members and as we grow larger we'll all have to pay special
attention to our communications. I would like to ask ALL of you to help
me monitor the discussion. If anyone notices any of the discussion
threads take a direction that "MIGHT" get nasty I would like for you to
send me a simple email asking me to carefully monitor the discussion
that has this subject line (and then supply the subject line).
2) Quiero agradecerle todos por hacer 2009 un año pacífico en línea. Ha
habido unos discussiones que ya mero salierion de control pero ustedes
todos todavía mantuvieron una manera profesional y cortesana de la
comunicación. Quizas fue precocupacion que mejor cerraria el grupo
desde dejarlo continúa en la discusión controvertida abierta (pienso que
el email privado es el mejor lugar para eso) pero mas mejor creería algo
que ustedes estedes trabajan fuerte a mantener cosas pacíficas y sin
comunicaciones ásperas. Espero que 2010 agregue a más miembros y como
crecemos más grande todos tienen que prestar la especial atención a
nuestras comunicaciones. Quisiera pedirles para ayudarme a supervisar la
discusión. Si cualquier persona nota que la discusión se va a una
dirección que consiga repugnante yo quisiera que usted me envíe un email
simple que me pregunta que supervise cuidadosamente la discusión que
tiene esta línea sujeta (y entonces suministrar la línea sujeta).
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some in the group might be into scrapbooking and the following might be
similar to that. Have a look and see if something is of interest to you.
Es possible que algunos tienen interes en scrapbooking y lo que sigue
pudo ser similar a ése. Tenga una mirada y vea si algo está de interés a
usted.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsKWUab5RxA&feature=related (if
you are interested in this see part 2 as well; si usted está interesado
en esto vea la parte 2 también)
ho, ho, ho,
ho, ho, ho,
joseph
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
Hola! I trying to find out all about my 4X GreatGrandfather Jesus Gonzalez (birth abt. 1780) on my fathers side. There is no information on who his wife was or if he got married at all. All I know is that he had at least one son. I found the actual Marriage Certificate that states "El primer hijo Natural" his son named Trinidad Gonzalez (birth abt. 1805, Cañadas) who married to Maria Eusebia de Alba (birth abt. 1810, Mexticacán) per Batch No. M603232, Dates 1827-1837, Source Film 0279302. She was "La Segunda Hija Lejitima" of parents Jose Ygnacio De Alba (abt. 1791) and Maria Dolores Mexia (abt, 1797). Any information is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in Adavance, Jaime Gonzalez
I was wondering if somebody could shed some light on the several Guadalupe's
in the state of Zacatecas? In our family records, my great-great
grandfather's family comes from Guadalupe, Zacatecas. However, I have only
found vital records in familysearch.org from the parish of Nuestra Senora de
Guadalupe, in the city (or municipality?) of Zacatecas, ZAC. I think there
is also a town (suburb?) of Zacatecas called Guadalupe, and maybe one in
Villanueva as well?
So if my ancestors said they were from Guadalupe, Zacatecas, is that
actually the city of Zacatecas? Was the town of Guadalupe centered around
the parish of Nuestra Senora de Guadalupe maybe?
On another note, I think my great-great grandfather's wife was originally
from Tepetongo, ZAC. Is it likely my great-great grandfather was also from
Tepetongo? I can't find his birth records in Guadalupe or Zacatecas. In
general, was there a lot of movement between Tepetongo/Jerez and
Zacatecas/Guadalupe/Villanueva in the mid 1800s?
------Original Message------
From: Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] the ancestors and personal infoof MariaLuisa Estrada
Sent: Dec 14, 2009 1:23 PM
Los abuelos paternos de María Luisa Estrada Gómez son José Domingo Estrada Cortés y María Rita Valencia González y los maternos son José Ignacio Gómez Hurtado de Mendoza y Felipa Catarina de Aceves.
Yo desciendo de un hijo de Luisa, llamado José Hermenegildo Rodríguez Estrada. De ahí en adelante es como sigue:
1.- Luisa Rodríguez Ochoa.
2.- José Domínguez Rodríguez.
3.- Francisco Domínguez Ibarra.
4.- Ramona Domínguez Gallardo.
5.- Mi mamá.
6.- Yo.
Y como es tu línea?
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Arturo
Sounds great. A question. A corporation agent in the state.....what are
the responsibilities?
Mickey
In a message dated 4/11/2009 9:43:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
arturo.ramos2@gmail.com writes:
Joseph Puentes and I had dinner tonight with and he presented me with a
large number of letters from Nuestros Ranchos members expressing their
gratitude for my work on the site, many of which included monetary contributions.
I am extremely moved and grateful at members' generosity and
throughtfulness. I discussed with Joseph that I could not accept the money, but that I
would be willing to take the money and use it as the seed money to
incorporate Nuestros Ranchos as a nonprofit so as to take it to the next level.
I have been on the Boards of a number of nonprofits and understand the
work involved, but I think this group has been blessed with many volunteers
and as long as we continue to have such involvement and keep our goals
modest, we will inevitably succeed.
Please let me know if you would like to take part in this process. I am
thinking it would be best to incorporate in Texas or California where we
have the largest membership as having a resident in the state of incorporation
is a requirement.
http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/texas/forming-nonprofit-corporat…
exas
ESPAÑOL
Joseph Puentes y yo cenamos junto esta noche y al fin de la cena me
presentó un gran número de cartas de miembros de Nuestros Ranchos expresando su
agradecimiento por mi trabajo en el sitio, y muchas de las cartas incluían
aportaciones dinerarias. Estoy muy conmovido y agradecido a los miembros por
su generosidad y consideración. Le dije a Joseph que no podía aceptar el
dinero, pero que yo estaría dispuesto a tomar el dinero y utilizarlo como el
capital inicial para incorporar Nuestros Ranchos como una organización sin
fines de lucro a fin de llevar a la orgnización al próximo nivel.
He sido parte de las mesas directivas de un número de organizaciones sin
fines de lucro y entiendo el trabajo que supone mi propuesta, pero creo que
este grupo ha sido bendecido con muchos voluntarios y mientras sigamos
teniendo esa participación y mantengamos nuestros objetivos modestos,
inevitablemente tendremos éxito.
Por favor, hágamelo saber si le gustaría tomar parte en este proceso.
Pienso que lo mejor sería incorporar en Texas o California, donde tenemos los
números más grandes de miembros ya que un requisito es tener un agente
residente en el estado de incorporación.
http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/texas/forming-nonprofit-corporat…
exas
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Gracias jorge luis. Yo tambien tengo esta informacion en mis notas pero me falta seguir el hilo. Conoces los abuelos de Luisa?
Son de tu linea directa?
Como son tus parientes?
Gracias
Ricardo (r.a. Ricci)
------Original Message------
From: Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez
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To: Nuestros Ranchos
ReplyTo: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] the ancestors and personal info of MariaLuisa Estrada
Sent: Dec 14, 2009 7:36 AM
No se a quien va dirigido el mensaje pero yo tengo esa información, así que decidí enviárte lo que tengo. María Luisa Estrada es hija de José Rafael Estrada y María Dolores Gómez, y casó con José Rafael Rodríguez Orozco, hijo de José Francisco Rodríguez y Ana Basilia Orozco.
Saludos.
Jorge Luis Ramírez Gómez.
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Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.
Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?
En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana.
Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.
Gracias de antemano.
P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.
Thank you for your response. Rancho Cucamonga is about 30 miles southeast of downtown Los Angeles, in San Bernardino County.
I look forward to hearing again from you when you return home.
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] CHRISTOBAL DE VILLALPANDO = MARIA ANTONIA DEVILLAREAL - Paul
Sent: Dec 14, 2009 7:19 PM
Paul,
I did. However, I am visiting my son in Northern California so I don't
have much information with me (I forgot to bring it, :-) but I don't
have information going that far back. Leticia helped with these names
and I only have to mid 1850's. I probably can connect but it may not be
for some time. Do you have anything for 1800's? Is Rancho Cucamonga
toward L.A.? I lived in Northern California for a while, so I don't
remember where Rancho Cucamonga is.
Anyway, the names you mentioned sure sound familiar and hope when I get
home I can check things out further. I'm in San Diego County.
-Esther
paul.gomez@verizon.net wrote:
> Esther,
>
> Did you have a chance to read my response yet?
>
> Paul Gomez
Christobal de Villalpando and Maria Antonia de Villareal are my 6th great grandparents. Does anyone know who their parnets were? I seem to have come to the end of the line.
I would like to know if anyone has any information on Ramualdo Huizar and Cruz Miramontes,, one child born in 1889, Aniceto Huizar. we believe he was from the Colotlan area of Jalisco.
Hi hope everyone is doing well today. Erlinda Castanon-Long thank you and yes we even look into the names Resendiz.
Jonathan thank you so much! yes it helped a great deal it filled in alot of the blanks we had
again thank you very much.
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Dolores,
I would suggest, trying trying the FamilySearch Record Search page (pilot). I have been able to piece together Family tree on both sides of your family.
Fourth Generation
8. Manuel Resendez was born in 1864 in Zacatecas, Mexico. He died on 17 Jun 1920 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 18 Jun 1920. Manuel married Piedad Nunez.
9. Piedad Nunez was born on 23 Aug 1880 in Mexico. She died on 5 Sep 1965 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 8 Sep 1965 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
They had the following children.
M i. Manuel Resendez was born in 1897.
M ii. Francisco Resendez was born in 1899.
M iii. Jesus Resendez was born in 1903.
M iv. Antonio Resendez was born on 26 Nov 1905. He died on 22 Apr 1970 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 24 Apr 1970 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
M v. Salvador Resendez was born in 1908.
M vi. Juan Bautista Resendez was born on 7 Nov 1911 in Zacatecas, Mexico. He died on 30 Aug 1912 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 31 Aug 1912.
+ 4 M vii. Raymundo Resendez was born on 24 Aug 1912. He died on 16 Dec 1942.
F viii. Mary Resendez was born in 1915.
10. Guillermo Cordova was born on 10 Feb 1884 in Mexico. He died on 31 Jan 1952 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 1 Feb 1952 in El Paso, Texas, USA. Guillermo married Delfina Aguilar.
11. Delfina Aguilar was born on 24 Dec 1889 in Chihuahua, Mexico. She died on 5 Dec 1972 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 7 Dec 1972 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
They had the following children.
M i. Lorenzo Cordova was born about 1907.
F ii. Midra Cordova was born on 15 May 1911 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She died on 7 Apr 1913 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 7 Apr 1913.
+ 5 F iii. Manuela Cordova was born on 10 Jun 1913. She died on 24 Nov 1948.
F iv. Flora Cordova was born on 22 Mar 1915 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She died on 17 Aug 1962 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 20 Aug 1962 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
M v. Guillermo Cordova was born about 1917.
F vi. Ignacia Cordova was born on 31 Jul 1919 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She died on 25 Apr 1958 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 28 Apr 1958 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA.
M vii. Santiago Cordova was born about 1921.
M viii. Juan Cordova was born about 1924.
F ix. Juanita Cordova was born on 12 Mar 1928 in El Paso, Texas, USA.
12. Ancelmo Guerrero was born in Chihuahua, Mexico. He died in 1906 in El Paso, Texas. Ancelmo married Paula Martinez Ibarra.
13. Paula Martinez Ibarra was born on 29 Jun 1844 in Mexico. She was christened in Sonora, Mexico. She died on 9 Aug 1930 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 11 Aug 1930.
They had the following children.
M i. Donaciano Guerrero was born on 24 May 1887 in Jimenez, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 10 Oct 1943 in Cochise, Arizona, United States.
F ii. Casimiro Guerrero was born in about 1891 in Mexico.
F iii. Altagracia ( Twin ) Guerrero was born on 3 Apr 1893 in Chihuahua, Mexico.
M iv. Benito Guerrero was born on 3 Apr 1893 in Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 22 Jan 1962 in Silver City, Grant, New Mexico, United States.
M v. Anselmo II Guerrero was born on 4 Jun 1899 in Hidalgo del Parral, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 14 Oct 1993 in Odessa, Ector, Texas, United States.
+ 6 M vi. Luz J Guerrero was born on 4 Jan 1900. He died on 21 Nov 1973.
14. Juan Castanon. Juan married Concepcion Orosco.
15. Concepcion Orosco.
They had the following children.
+ 7 F i. Engracia Castanon was born on 16 Apr 1910. She died on 4 Oct 1950.
Fifth Generation
16. Jose Maria Resendez was born in Zacatecas, Zacatecas, Mexico. Jose married Maria de los Angeles Resendez.
17. Maria de los Angeles Resendez was born in Zacatecas, Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 8 M i. Manuel Resendez was born in 1864. He died on 17 Jun 1920.
M ii. Agustin Resendez.
19. Exequia Nunez.
She had the following children.
+ 9 F i. Piedad Nunez was born on 23 Aug 1880. She died on 5 Sep 1965.
20. Manuel Cordova Apodaca. Manuel married Petra Lopez.
21. Petra Lopez was born on 5 May 1873 in Mexico. She died on 1 May 1928 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 2 May 1928.
They had the following children.
F i. Mra Eulalia de la Luz Cordova was christened on 28 Dec 1869 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M ii. Estanislado Miguel De Jesus Cordova Lopes was christened on 12 May 1874 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
M iii. Manuela Cordova Lopez was born in 1879 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 20 Feb 1927 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 22 Feb 1927.
F iv. ... Maria ... Cordova was christened in Feb 1880 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
+ 10 M v. Guillermo Cordova was born on 10 Feb 1884. He died on 31 Jan 1952.
F vi. Maria del Refugio Cordova was christened on 8 Apr 1888 in Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F vii. Maria Juana Cordova was christened on 11 Mar 1893 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
22. Jose Inez Aguilar. Jose married Zenono Gutierrez.
23. Zenono Gutierrez.
They had the following children.
M i. Juan Aguilar was born on 24 Jun 1886 in Jimenez, Chihuahua, Mexico. He died on 17 Jul 1913 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. He was buried on 17 Jul 1913.
+ 11 F ii. Delfina Aguilar was born on 24 Dec 1889. She died on 5 Dec 1972.
26. Julia Martinez was born in Mexico. Julia married Dionicia Ybarra.
27. Dionicia Ybarra was born in Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 13 F i. Paula Martinez Ibarra was born on 29 Jun 1844. She died on 9 Aug 1930.
28. Pedro Castanon. Pedro married Maria Franco.
29. Maria Franco was born on 15 Aug 1874 in Mexico. She died on 16 Oct 1951 in El Paso, El Paso, Texas, USA. She was buried on 18 Oct 1951 in El Paso, Texas, USA.
They had the following children.
+ 14 M i. Juan Castanon.
F ii. Pabla Castanon was born on 25 Jan 1888 in Mexico. She died on 27 Feb 1976 in El Paso, Texas, USA.
Sixth Generation
40. Jose Miguel Gregorio Cordoba Garsia was christened on 9 May 1808 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico. Jose married Ma. Ynosencia Apodaca Guebara on 27 Feb 1832 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
41. Ma. Ynosencia Apodaca Guebara was christened on 29 Dec 1809 in Nuestra Senora De Guadalupe, Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
They had the following children.
+ 20 M i. Manuel Cordova Apodaca.
F ii. Mra . Gertrudis Refugio Cordova Apodaca was christened on 16 Nov 1840 in Nuestra Se?ora de Guadalupe, Ju?rez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
F iii. Maria Teofila Nicanora Cordoba Apodaca was christened on 10 Jan 1843 in Juarez, Chihuahua, Mexico.
42. Miguel Lopez. Miguel married Maria Cordova.
43. Maria Cordova.
They had the following children.
+ 21 F i. Petra Lopez was born on 5 May 1873. She died on 1 May 1928.
58. Seferino Franco. Seferino married Seferina Ortiz.
59. Seferina Ortiz.
They had the following children.
+ 29 F i. Maria Franco was born on 15 Aug 1874. She died on 16 Oct 1951.
Seventh Generation
Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society of Northern California is in the planning stages of a reunion with members of Nuestros Ranchos from the Southern California area. Members from other states, Mexico,and Canada are also cordially invited to attend.
The date is scheduled for March 6, 2010,in Fresno,California. Fresno is located about mid-point between,Sacramento and Los Angeles, and an easy drive between both locations.
Fresno is also serviced with flights between the two cities. The location will be determined once we know the total number of people attending.
The tentiave agenda is:
To meet and greet, and share family group sheets, and meet new cousins and Paisanos.
Lunch/dinner with a guest speaker.
Break out to groups sharing family names.
If we have enough interest, we can then plan on some activities for Sunday.
March 2010 seems like such a distance in the future however, we would like to give members ample time to plan for the meeting.
If you are interested or have any questions, please feel free to contact us at the e-mail listed below. We will need to have a minimum of participants.
Please do not respond to Nuestro Ranchos, as the communication will be taken off line.
Please respond only to the following e-mail – Mistyriver123@yahoo.com
The Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society was formed to exchange research tips, and exchange genealogical information. The group is composed of many Nuestros Ranchos members, as well, as a few others researching in other areas. All are welcome to join.
La Sociedad Genealógica Nueva Galicia del Norte de California
está planeando una reunión con miembros de Nuestros Ranchos que viven en el
área del Sur de California. Miembros de otros estados, México, y Canada
también están cordialmente invitados a asistir.
La fecha del evento es el 6 de marzo de 2010, en Fresno, California.
Fresno está a mitad de distancia entre Sacramento y Los Angeles, y
es un viaje fácil de las dos direcciones. También hay vuelos directos a Fresno. El lugar será escogido cuando tengamos el número final de
asistentes.
La agenda tentativa es:
1. Introducciones entre miembros, compartir árboles genealógicos, y conocer
parientes y paisanos.
2. Comida/cena con un invitado especial.
3. Dividirnos en grupos pequeños para colaborar con datos de familias.
Si hay suficiente interés podemos planear otras actividades para el domingo.
Marzo del 2010 parece muy lejano, pero queremos darles a los miembros
suficiente aviso para planear su participación en este evento.
Si estás interesado o tienes alguna pregunta, por favor contáctanos al
e-mail indicado abajo.
Tenemos un mínimo de participantes ya determinado.
Por favor no respondas a Nuestro Ranchos, toda la comunicación será fuera
de línea.
Por favor responde solamente a este e-mail - Mistyriver123@yahoo.com
La Sociedad Genealógica Nueva Galicia fue formada con la intención de compartir estudios genealógicos y técnicas para el investigador. El grupo consiste de miembros de Nuestros Ranchos y algunos otros investigadores de
otras áreas. Todos son bienvenidos a unirse a nuestra Sociedad.
ESPANOL SIGUE ABAJO
Thanks to the volunteer efforts of Jose Luis Felix, we have upgraded the Films section so that borrowers names no longer simply show up as text, but rather as hyperlinks to the relevant Nuestros Ranchos user profiles... that way you can more easily find out who has the film and contact them.
There are a number of stray films for which Jose Luis was unable to identify the user because the name was entered in an incomplete manner. If you put your name as a borrower for any of the following films, please go back to the relevant film and use the new function to check ("I have this film on permanent loan") so that you will show up as a borrower for the film.
ESPANOL
Gracias a los esfuerzos voluntarios de José Luis Félix, hemos actualizado la sección de Rollos de Microfilmacion para que los nombres de los prestatarios ya no sólo se muestran como texto, sino más bien como enlaces a los correspondientes perfiles de usuario Nuestros Ranchos ... De esa manera usted puede encontrar más fácilmente quién tiene el rollo en cuestion y ponerse en contacto con ellos.
Hay una serie de rollos para los cuales José Luis no pudo identificar al usuario porque el nombre se inscribió en forma incompleta. Si usted puso su nombre como un prestatario para cualquiera de los siguientes rollos, favor de regresar al rollo pertinente y utilizar la nueva función de verificación ("Tengo esta película en préstamo permanente") de manera que se mostrará como un prestatario de de la película.
Jose Felix Macias - Nochistlan
Pilar Felix - Rincon de Romos
Henry - Autlan de Navarro
Henry - Yahualica
Felix Macias - Nochistlan
Eligio y Juliana - Lagos de Moreno
Me encuentro atorado con la pareja que fueron Lucas De ochoa y Maria Josefa Lopez de Lara, padres de:
1.-Julian, Casado el 10 de febrero de 1752 en Lagos con Juana Maria de Arce y Castilla, hija de Sebastian de Arce y Castilla y de Juana Gomez Calvillo
2.-José, Casado el 17 de febrero 1749 igualmente en Lagos, con Barbara Moreno Rodriguez, hija ésta de Antonio Moreno Rodriguez y de Juana de Nava
No he encontrado ni matrimonio de Lucas y Josefa, ni Bautizo de alguno de sus hijos.Ojalá álguien pueda ayudarme.
Having spent considerable time with the Pilot.FamilySearch images of
christening records of Rincón de Romos and San José de Gracia,
Aguascalientes, I have reached a few conclusions I hadn't really
expected before.
There are a lot of inconsistencies in the records - mistakes or errors
- which I had first believed were mostly due to incomplete or
inaccurate information from the parties involved: in other words, the
informants were not well informed. But I've ben able to correlate multiple references to the same individuals in numerous families, and the kinds of
mistakes suggest something else: namely, that the mistakes (and there are
many of them) are copying errors.
For example, many of the mistakes are names that look very similar but
do not necessarily sound similar: like Castorena for Contreras, Chavez
for Chaires, Filomena for Florencia, Montoya for Mendoza, and many
more. Even though the handwriting is clear, it must have been copied
from handwriting that was not. I have even seen similar mistakes
within the same record, where for example the name in the margin looks
similar to but is not the same as the name in the text.
What further supports the conclusion that many errors are copying
errors is the organization of Rincón and San José baptismal records.
In any given month, the records for that month consistently begin with
records "En la parroquia de San José de Gracia ... bautizé ... en la
Yglesia de Rincón de Romos". These begin with the first of the month
and continue through the end of the month. Then, without any break,
but usually an inserted heading, the register goes back again to the
first of the month and lists records "En la parroquia de San José de
Gracia ... en la Yglesia de este lugar", that is, the chapel in San
José. These also continue to the end of the month, and then the
records for Rincón begin again for the following month. This format
spans many decades.
The only way these records could occur in this order is if they were
copied from some other books or papers. That would also explain the
types of errors that are present - the scribe couldn't read the
other's (or his own) handwriting. At times I am inclined to believe
that the real originals from which these were copied must have been
quite a mess. That the original registers might be copied
and the copies become the only known "originals" is of course
no surprize, and was probably quite commonplace. Temporary records
were made and then "permanentized" into another register, or old books
became worn and tattered and were copyied afresh - for which we can be
thankful. Who knows when the records were copied - it may have been
months or more than a hundred years after the real originals were
made.
I have heard that priests sometimes carried the books with them as
they journied to various localities within their jurisdiction, and
recorded the events directly into the registers. You can imagine how
such volumes might quickly become worn and damaged. I expect too, that
some head priest might combine the records made by several assistants,
creating the official registry.
Anyway, the bottom line is that it appears that many of the bautismos
from Rincón de Romos and San José de Gracia were copies, which
explains the types of errors often present in them. Knowing this
affects the way I interpret the records. The marriage records,
however, (some of them) seem to be more consistant, and perhaps were
more original. In my mind they carry more weight or credibility than
the baptismal records, particularly as to parents's names, although
one would normally expect the reverse to be true.
Studying these records has been a revelation. I'm recognizing more and
more handwriting idiosyncrasies. The other day, my wife and I were
both puzzling over a name in 1888 that looked like Erenpas when all of
a sudden I realized it was Campos. I would never have thought of
Campos had I not known it was a common name in the area, and also the
peculiar way this particular scribe sometimes made his C's. Once I saw
the name as Campos, I could not see it as anything else. I'm sure
everyone who studies these records has had similar experiences. If
only someone would tell those people to be more consistant with their
a's and o's, so I could tell hijas from hijos ... or better yet - why
didn't they just use a typewriter!
On another topic, I am a little puzzled by the term "auciliar". Rincón
de Romos was originally an auciliar de San José de Gracia. But San
José de Gracia is also sometimes written as "la yglesia auciliar de la
parroquia de San José de Gracia" at a time when San José de Gracia was
really a parish in its own right and not an auxiliar of anything,
except perhaps of the diocesis, if you can think of it that way. I'm
wondering if the term auciliar was used rather loosely, and as such
has no particular significance.
I am trying to document my link to Genaro Codina, composer of Marcha Zacatecas. He was born in the city of Zacatecas in 1852 to Santiago Codina and Maria Dolores Fernandez. Family history has it that he was 'primo hermano' (first cousin) to my great grandfather, Mucio Codina. That would make Genaro's father and Mucio's father brothers and their father would be Jose Eufracio Codina.
Jose Eufracio married in Jerez, Zacatecas and had several children there but I found no record for Santiago Codina. FamilySearch IGI has an unsourced record for Santiago's marriage in Zacatecas, Zacatecas in 1851 but I have been unable to find the church record in the Family History Library films. My search has been hampered by missing years in the films.
If anyone has run across any of there names in your research, I would greatly appreciate your help.
Omar Codina
Looking for information and family from Vera family... Luis Vera y Francisca Jimenez, Julio Jimenez y Telesfora Esparza and Remualdo Vera y Tiburcia Paredes
Muchas gracias a la persona anonima, miembro de este grupo, por haber proporcionado las imagenes de paginas de la Iglesia Mormona (LDS) que contienen gran cantidad de numeros validos de lotes (batch)del Estado de Aguascalientes. Este seria un buen proyecto para alguna persona que desee participar como voluntario. Se trata de probar cada uno de los numeros de lote (batch) para verificar cuales numeros todavia son validos.
Si desea trabajar en este proyecto pongase en contacto conmigo: Joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
http://nuestrosranchos.org/node/18248.
Atte: Joseph Puente.
Many thanks to an anonymous member of the group for supplying these LDS page images that contain many valid batch numbers for Aguascalientes.
This would be a wonderful project for a volunteer: Go in and try each batch number and see which are still valid. Contact me at joseph@nuestrosranchos.org if you'd like to work on this project.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18248
joseph
Reading through the "Royal Blood" thread it is refreshing to see honesty and differing opinion handled with such respect and care...what a great bunch of people we have !
It's got me thinking though, it seems that "WE" , as individuals, truly are what we choose to be. I mean, it really is a state of mind. I have seen people catagorize themselves by nation of birth, ancestry and DNA evidence...all valid, but all a personal CHOICE.
If I choose to clasify myself by country of origin, then I am an American from the Southwestern United States. If I choose my recent ancestors, then I am an Alteno, specifically from San Jose De Bazarte, in Los Altos...if I choose to go back a couple generations, then I am Asturiano, from Sama in Asturias, Espana.
What about DNA evidence ? My group E-V13 originated in Anatolia, then spread to northern Greece and the rest of the Balkans, should I then call myself a Thracian or Dacian ? Perhaps Pelagasian or Phrygian ? It boils down to choice, we are free to choose...all are valid choices, each one is a truth unto itself. I suppose we should rejoice that we a free to choose and BE what ever we want to be, even if it is as simple as "I am my fathers son".
Robert~
Sigue en espanol
My great grandparents Manuel (Gama) Estrada and Felipa Ramirez (Neris) were married in Jalostotitlan on February 09, 1822. I have been unable to find their dates of birth or birthplace.
Does anyone know of a nearby place to Jalostotitlan where I could look? Any trends as far as people traveling from specific places to Jalostotitlan back in the late 1700s or early 1800s? I know Felipa Ramirez must have been born in Jalostotitlan because her parents were married there on July 29, 1797. I just cannot find the record for her and have no information for my granpa Manuel Gama (Estrada).
Another question, some of you mentioned that around the 1820's after the war for independence, some families changed their last name. I found my great granfathers to be Manuel Estrada (his father was also names Manuel Estrada) prior to 1820s and later the last name becomes Gama. As far as I can tell as of 1820s Gama was not a maternal last name and my guess is that it goes further back. Manuel Estrada Sr. had a child named Maria Asencion who was married in 1821 as Estrada and who registered her child in 1820 as Gama. At the same time, I do not know how Estrada appeared or when. In 1835 Manl. Gama (AKA Estrada) and Felipa Neris (AKA Ramires) had a child named Refugio Gama Neris in San Miguel el Alto. Any ideas or information as to how Estrada disappeared and Gama appeared shortly after 1822? My ancestors moved from Jalostotitlan to Uncion, then to San Miguel, and finally to Tamazula.
I have always been proud of the Gama last name because it is rare in most areas. But now I cannot find that Gama link! In 1822 my ancestor was married as Manuel Estrada showing his father to have the same name as him, Manuel Estrada.
Any guidance would be appreciated it.
Rosie Cordova
Mis bisabuelos fueron Manuel (Gama) Estrada and Felipa Ramirez quienes se casaron en Jalostotitlan en February 09, 1822. No he podido encontrar sus fechas o lugares de nacimiento.
Existe algun lugar certa de Jalostotitlan donde pudiera buscar en caso de que alli los hubieran registrado? Saben si hubo ciertas tendencias de viajeros que fueron de ciertas regiones a Jalostotitlan por las epocas a finales de 1700s o al empezar los 1800s? Se que Felipa Ramirez debio haber nacido en Jalostotitlan porque sus padres se casaron en July 29, 1797. Solo que no puedo encontrar el record de su nacimiento de ello y no tengo informacion acerca de mi abuelo Manuel Gama (Estrada).
Otra pregunta, algunos del grupo han comentado que alrededor de los 1820s, despues de la guerra de independencia, algunas familias cambiaron sus apellidos. Descubri que mi bisabuelo se llamaba Manuel Estrada (igual que su padre quien tambien se llamaba Manuel Estrada) antes de 1822 y despues uso el apellido de Gama. Por lo que puedo ver, Gama no es apellido materno y pienso que el apellido Gama va mas atras. Al mismo tiempo, no se como aparecio Estrada o cuando. Tiene alguna idea o informacion referente a como desaparecio el apellido Estrada y como aparecio el apellido Gama alrededor de 1822? Mis antepasados se movieron de Jalostotitlan a Uncion, despues a San Miguel, y luego a Tamazula.
Siempre habia estado orgullosa del apellido Gama porque no es muy usual en la mayoria de los lugares. Pero ahora no encuentro mi coneccion con Gama! En 1822 mi bisabuelo Manuel Estrada se caso con ese nombre y muestra que su padre era Manuel Estrada y tenia el mismo nombre.
Les agradeceria sus sugerencias.
Rosie Cordova
Hi everyone,
I am a new member of Nuestros Ranchos so I wanted to introduce myself. So
far I've loved the conversations that I've witnessed here. It's great to
have this community!
I am primarily researching the pueblos of Juchitlan and Tecolotlan, Jalisco,
as well as the rancho of San Gaspar, in the municipio de Union de Tula. My
family is from Juchitlan, but my Larios and Ramirez lines go back many times
over in San Gaspar, where there is a concentration of us. My Preciado line
goes back to Tecolotlan, where there are many of us. Other surnames I am
researching include Lomeli, Llamas, Gonzalez, Lepe, and Medina. Please see
my family file to see what I have so far:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/18215
So far this was information I was able to gather from my grandparents before
they passed and other family members and documents. I have also done some
looking on FamilySearch.org, and found some promising information, but have
yet to incorporate this into the family file I currently have up.
If anyone is interested in sharing information, please let me know! I'd love
to meet some new primos (as if I don't have enough, LOL!)