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YAHUALICA 105 kms (66miles) from Guadalara, Jalisco,
Mexico

http://www.yahualica.net/paisanor.html

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To; Alicia Carrillo

Hi Alicia,
Anna and I are going on the Trip within the week.

Our trip will include Tlaltenango. Tepechitlan,
Teolcalteche, Juarez, Rincon de Romos. Jalisco, Los
Altos, Teul, Florencio, Zacatecas, and Aquas
Calientes, and other pueblos.. I plan to follow the
route initially submitted in July or August of last
year.

If I can be of assistantance feel free to inquire.

Jose Munoz

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TRIP

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I read in your message that you are taking a trip to Jalisco, Zacatecas and
Aguascalientes. I would be very greatful if you could email me a copy of
the suggested route submitted to Nuestros Ranchos in July or August of last
year. I plan to take a similar trip in March or April, so any information
would be greatly appreciated. I have been to Aguascalientes, Rincon de
Romos, San Jose de Gracia, Teocaltiche, Nochistlan, Mexticacan and other
pueblos but would like more information and recommendations on hotels, modes
of transportation, travel tips, etc. for the area. I am a fairly new member
in the group. Maybe next year I could participate in a group tour with
other genealogists.

Thanks,
Bill Figueroa
Richardson, Texas

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> To; Alicia Carrillo
>
> Hi Alicia,
> Anna and I are going on the Trip within the week.
>
> Our trip will include Tlaltenango. Tepechitlan,
> Teolcalteche, Juarez, Rincon de Romos. Jalisco, Los
> Altos, Teul, Florencio, Zacatecas, and Aquas
> Calientes, and other pueblos.. I plan to follow the
> route initially submitted in July or August of last
> year.
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> If I can be of assistantance feel free to inquire.
>
> Jose Munoz
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Share your best research tips, por favor

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Wishing you a blessed filled New Year.
Are you ready for more researching? Maybe finding a primo/a here at Nuestros Ranchos? It has been exciting to read of your triumphs.

As for me - I just called the local FHC, and films I ordered in mid-Nov are finally in - so I hope to view them soon. FYI - I have the following films: # 1164728 (Reg. Parroquiales, la Purisima, Valparaiso, Zac., Bautismos, 1870-1876); and #1164741 (same location, Informacion Matrimonial, 1878-1892). It has been quite a while since I have looked at films - and I wonder if you have some tips to share about the BEST way to RECORD INFORMATION from the films, and the BEST way to COMPILE the information. Please share your RESEARCH ideas/methods that work - I am always looking for ways to work smarter (not harder). Y'all take care

introduction of Dara Jones

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Genealogy Research

I'd like to introduce myself. I am Dara Jones and am an adoptee researching
my biological father's ancestry line. The family has an extensive history on
my grandfather's family spanning several cetruries. However, I know hardly

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introduction of Dara Jones

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Dara,

earlier you mentioned to me in an email that your Dolores was born in
Guadalajara. If you feel confident of that then you need to start there,
but if you are not confident of her birth place then you need to
establish that in order to make a good beginning. do you have Dolores'
place and date of death? Maybe you'll find a death certificate that
gives you some important information. Do you know if she was a
naturalized citizen and or had a green card? If so then maybe requesting
her Naturalization/other papers will reveal a place of birth.

get yourself introduced to the Family History Center close to you
(location can be found at www.familysearch.org) so you will be able to
get some personal hands on help in your area.

ask more questions. . .this group is for you,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Darajones@aol.com wrote:
> I'd like to introduce myself. I am Dara Jones and am an adoptee researching
> my biological father's ancestry line. The family has an extensive history on
> my grandfather's family spanning several cetruries. However, I know hardly
> anything about my grandmother's line. Unfortunately her life and family are
> shrouded in secrectry for some reason and so I know a very few facts.
> _http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15444_ (http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15444)
> Her name was Dolores Santana and she was born in Jalisco and later, some or
> all of the family moved to Los Angeles. I have been told that her father was a
> pistelleta in the army and that she was part of Antonio Lopez de Santa Ana's
> relatives. _http://www.answers.com/topic/antonio-l-pez-de-santa-anna_
> (http://www.answers.com/topic/antonio-l-pez-de-santa-anna) I am rather new at
> researching outside of the USA and would love any kind of advice on some avenues
> to explore in order to find some family connections.
>
> Great to be on board.
> Regards
> Dara Jones

[Genealogia.org.mx] Velasco from Calvillo

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JUANA MARIA LOERA
Daughter of Andres Loera and Juana Maria Velasco
Born: March 9, 1812

In the Parish Church of San Jose de Huejucar on the 16th of December of 1811, Father Rafael Yzursun, lieutenant priest, baptized solemnly and poured holy oil and sacred chrism on two children named Maria Yasana de los Dolores, Españoles, who were born in Ojocaliente today at 4 in the morning, legitimate daughter of Don Andres Loera and Dona Juana Maria Belasco.

Gallegos in Calvillo

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I am researching Gallegos in Calvillo. Willing to exchange information.

John Schmal

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John Schmal/Info on Alvarado

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A great big WELCOME John,

I have been trying to connect Candelario Alvarado from Villa de Santiago in the state of Nuevo Leon to any of the Alvarados' from Zacatecas . What I have on him is this :

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New gedcom file help

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Welcome John, you helped me when I first starte genealogy a few years ago when my lack of Spanish made reading records a real challenge. Your knowledge of Zacatecas was amazing! In fact, your knowledge is just plain amazing!

Also, Joseph I've done a new gedcom for my files since I have added more names, 31,000 more or less so I need your help to delete the old gedcome file and replace it with the new one.

thank you, Linda in Everett

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Origin of Catarina Jauregui

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I have just found a 1906 Valle de Guadalupe baptism that lists my maternal grandfather-in-law and mother-in-law as sponsors and gives me some info about them, but I need a little help. The microfilm is poor and flowering script is almost driving me mad. Here is what I think it says .....padrinos Julian Alviso casada labrador de cuarenta an~os originario de San Miguel y su esposa Catarina Jauregui de veinte y ocho an~os de edad originaria del hijo de Ayaca y vecinos de Mexcala......

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Origin of Catarina Jauregui

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Suggestion. Scan it and upload the scan to the appropriate folder in the
Albums area. Once there send us another email and list the URL location
to the Albums area so we can take a look and give you a better Idea.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Maureen Bejar wrote:
> I have just found a 1906 Valle de Guadalupe baptism that lists my maternal grandfather-in-law and mother-in-law as sponsors and gives me some info about them, but I need a little help. The microfilm is poor and flowering script is almost driving me mad. Here is what I think it says .....padrinos Julian Alviso casada labrador de cuarenta an~os originario de San Miguel y su esposa Catarina Jauregui de veinte y ocho an~os de edad originaria del hijo de Ayaca y vecinos de Mexcala......
>
> I am pretty sure it states Julian is married, a farmer and 40 years old from San Miguel, and his wife, Catarina Jauregui is 28 years old. But then it says Catarina is a "son of Ayaca"? The word hijo is questionable as the h and i are looped together at the beginning which looks like a large "o" with a small "o" inside, but the "jo" at the end is definite. I tried to find Ayaca out on the Interent, but I could not find the place name even in the little site listed from a previous Nuestros forum topic. Is anyone familiar with the term or place Ayaca? I have found it referenced as a type of tree. Also, why would Catarina be listed as a hijo and not a hija? The place Mexcala is the Ranch where most of the younger children were born.
>
> Thanks again for any help!

Origin of Catarina Jauregui

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Maureen,

Do you think it could be Ojo de Agua, Ayo el Chico, or Ayotlan? Those are some names in Jalisco that my husband's ancestors are from.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ----
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From: Maureen Bejar
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 3:11 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origin of Catarina Jauregui

I am pretty sure it states Julian is married, a farmer and 40 years old from San Miguel, and his wife, Catarina Jauregui is 28 years old. But then it says Catarina is a "son of Ayaca"? The word hijo is questionable as the h and i are looped together at the beginning which looks like a large "o" with a small "o" inside, but the "jo" at the end is definite. I tried to find Ayaca out on the Interent, but I could not find the place name even in the little site listed from a previous Nuestros forum topic. Is anyone familiar with the term or place Ayaca? I have found it referenced as a type of tree. Also, why would Catarina be listed as a hijo and not a hija? The place Mexcala is the Ranch where most of the younger children were born.

Thanks again for any help!

Origin of Catarina

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Dear Emilie:
I think Ojo is the word, but the other is Ayaca. There is a flourish with the "e" in de, but then I looked at other documents from the same film and the "A" in Ayaca matches an "A" in the name Andres from a later document. In any event I will scan it and put it in the album. Thank you for you suggestions! It is hard not knowing very much Spanish and trying to decipher, but I am learning new words all the time.

Joseph, wish me luck, it is my first attempt with your instructions. I messed up my genealogy file the first time if you remember. Hope this goes better!

Thanks for your help!

Origin of Catarina

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Dear Emilie and Joseph:

I have scanned the document for Catarina's origin, but I have done something incorrect. It did not go into a folder, but is just floating out there. Here is the link:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15424

Joseph, can I get it into a folder and how do I do that? I guess a am old and confused!

Origin of Catarina

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Well your take is understandable. I don't know what it is but I'm
starting to doubt the first letter is an "A" have a look at the other 4
capital "A's" in the document and you'll see that they are big and fat
and well rounded. I don't know and would hate for you to take this as an
absolute but I also don't think the first letter is an "L" or "l" since
most if not all of the scribes "l's" have space in the loop and this
letter doesn't have any space. It kind of has the same shape as a "d" as
in compared to the other "d's" in the document but it is "spread" just a
bit and also it has the same small curl as in the beginning of a captial
"M" but then the second "hump" of the "M" is missing so that is not a
good candidate.

Hmmm, you asked for help and all I can say is what I don't think it is.
Don't really know and it might help for you to get two or three pages of
other documents surrounding that document and uploading them along with
this document so a better comparison can be made. I would guess that he
has used that letter before. And it could be that the scribes hand was
getting fatigued toward the end of the document and that is really is a
spread out "d". . .sorry to not be more help.

joseph

ps: Maureen don't talk bad about yourself being old and confused. You
were soooo close to getting it perfect and actually it was just fine if
you don't plan to add any other documents. But If you are going to
upload a few more misc surrounding doc's for comparison then the step
you missed was making up a "new" album within the folder you opened up.
Once created then you would have options to upload to that folder. I've
gone ahead and made up an album with your name in it in that same folder
"Film Record Sample Scans" for the time being I don't want to move your
scanned document as it might make your
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15424 invalid. You are way ahead of
folks that are unwillling to even try so your effort is commendable.
thanks for your participation in the group.

If you upload the documents to the Maureen Bejar folder then go ahead
and upload the same document into it again so all your documents will be
together. later we'll go in and delete this original uploaded document
after the members of the group have had a chance to view it.

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Emilie:
> I think Ojo is the word, but the other is Ayaca. There is a flourish with the "e" in de, but then I looked at other documents from the same film and the "A" in Ayaca matches an "A" in the name Andres from a later document. In any event I will scan it and put it in the album. Thank you for you suggestions! It is hard not knowing very much Spanish and trying to decipher, but I am learning new words all the time.
>
> Joseph, wish me luck, it is my first attempt with your instructions. I messed up my genealogy file the first time if you remember. Hope this goes better!
>
> Thanks for your help!

Origin of Catarina Jauregui

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Dear Joseph and Emilie:
I think Emilie is correct that the place name is Ojo de Agua. I have placed another document written by the same person where the "a" is written the same. I have it in my folder in albums:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15440

Origin of Catarina Jauregui

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In my opinion they weren't written by the same person. Look at the first
documents for Jose de Jesus. Look at just the first three words: "En La
Yglesia" Notice that each of these words has no "tails" while the scribe
that wrote the record for Catarina insisted in using "tails" for almost
every word. Two different scribes.

but regardless of that is sure does look like Ojo de Agua. . .its just
funny that the same scribe who wrote the Catarina document used two
different styles of Capital "A's" within the same document. It might be
worthwhile to pursue the Ojo de Agua theory since you do have an Ojo de
Agua close to San Juan de los Lagos like Irma said.

but next time you have a look at that film you could look on the same
page as you found the Catarina document and copy some of the documents
right next to your Catarina. A full two or three pages before and after.
Look for those "tails" and upload those pages I'd like to hunt for that
letter that I'm not convinced is an "A" but then you never know.

hmmm, the investigation continues. . .ultimately your opinion for your
research is the one that prevails.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Joseph and Emilie:
> I think Emilie is correct that the place name is Ojo de Agua. I have placed another document written by the same person where the "a" is written the same. I have it in my folder in albums:
>
> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15440

Origin of Catarina Jauregui

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Dear Emilie:
Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks

Maureen

Origin of Catarina Jauregui

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Actually I think there was also an Ojo de Agua listed in the Jerez Zacatecas records too..
Linda in Everett

Maureen Bejar wrote:

Maureen

Origin of Catarina Jauregui

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Hi, Maureen,

No I don't have any film numbers for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco. I got the name the way you did from a birth or marriage record for one of my husband's relatives who lived way back in the early 1800s and late 1700s in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. They had children baptized or they were married there, but it mentions in some records that they originated, meaning they had been born in Ojo de Agua, or Ayo del Chico (now Ayotlan), etc. I am just assuming the Ojo de Agua mentioned in the records of Jalisco that I was looking in was the one in Jalisco, but there are several places in Jalisco called Ojo de Agua, also many places with the same name in nearby Aguascalientes. They don't make it easy. I would just try the civil records in the towns of Jalisco, especially for the late 1800s, since by then civil registration may have been required and those records may have survived the Revolution better than the church records, maybe. There are gaps in most films I have looked at. Goo
d luck -
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Emilie
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From: Maureen Bejar
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Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:49 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origin of Catarina Jauregui

Maureen

Ojo de Agua all over the place

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Dear Linda and Emilie,
I think there are more ponds in Mexico than there are in Northwest Indiana! I think the most likely Ojo de Agua is the one just south of Tepatitlan, but I could be wrong. I still have 5 more years to look at on the microfilm, so after the holiday I will be able to finish viewing the film and maybe it will give me more clues. Catarina's brothers Vicente and Julian and her sisters Ambrosia and Trinidad were also in Valle de Guadalupe so much of the family had relocated to Valle de Guadalupe. Someone is bound to have a more descriptive baptism.

My mom is from England and her relatives from England and Australia refer to the Atlantic Ocean as the Big Pond. Now just think, hundreds of years from now, future generations are going to read some of those letters and will be trying to figure out what exactly was the Big Pond!

Origin of Catarina Jauregui

Comment

There is an Ojo de Agua in the Santa Maria de Los Angeles area of
Jalisco but not so sure it doesn't show up in the Colotlan records. . .I
can't remember which of these two it was that the actual records showed
up in.

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Maureen Bejar wrote:
> Dear Emilie:
> Do you have any information on where I might find records for Ojo de Agua in Jalisco? Catarina would have been born between 1876 and 1877. The LDS has Oje de Agua for Chiapas, but nothing for Jalisco. I might try the Jalisco civil records for that time though. Any other leads would be wonderful. Thanks
>
> Maureen
>

Origin of Catarina Jauregui

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Joseph,

That could be the one my husband's ancestor was born in because many of his ancestors also hailed from a "Santa Maria" (near Encarnacion de Diaz?) and others from Colotlan, also Atotonilco, Ayo el Chico, Ayotlan, Lagos de Moreno and San Juan de Los Lagos.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Origin of Catarina Jauregui

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Monterrey & African Legacy

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Hi Alicia and Welester and Ranchos Group,

I was just in Monterrey,as part of the Chicago educators and Mexican Fine
Arts Museum delegation dedicating an exhibit to Monterrey's exhibit on our

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Monterrey & African Legacy

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I just went to phone you, but only have your home address. Please send me your phone number off line.

You were so supportive to me when I lost my three siblings, and the heartfelt letters that you sent. You are such a wonderful caring person. Abrazos y besos/Helyn

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
Hi Alicia and Welester and Ranchos Group,

I was just in Monterrey,as part of the Chicago educators and Mexican Fine
Arts Museum delegation dedicating an exhibit to Monterrey's exhibit on our
African legacy. Please check this out Welester while the exhibit is still there
(right across the street from the state capitol building). It is beautiful
and very enlightening, particularly for those of us with limited information
of our African legacy in Mexico.

I have shared many of my resources with my district's curriculum director.
However, Joseph, I have two CD's about this (African legacy in Mexico), plus
an enormous amount of wonderful photos I took. Please let me know how I can
share with the group. The CD's have music and voice to them...I have some
beautiful photos of Santiago...I believe another member of the group mentioned
they have family from there. In addition, I was fortunate enough to speak
personally with Santiago's historian..anyone with questions, let me know.

Perhaps one of the nicest things I got to do was to interview an elder from
this side of the family in Monterrery- I learned some additional information
that would normally not be shared...additionally, I got a photo of my great
great aunt whose last name was Elizondo Elizondo - she was not only beautiful,
but I was amazed how much our gene pool skips first generation and resembles
2nd and 3rd generation. I was able to take a photo of the painting...

Also, I attended my mom's funeral shortly after I returned from Mexico.
There were originally 10 siblings, now there is only one. This is the reason
why I was unable to contact the group earlier. My mother and an aunt are the
last of the Luna/Herrera's 2nd generation that came from my grandparents
(Manuel Luna Herrera and Norberta Herrera Luna were the 1st generation) that were
born in the Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. I took pictures of the family during
this occasion, I can certainly forward them to the group as well. Perhaps one of
you might look one of us?

Alicia, you ask why there may be so much interest and formalized groups of
us researchers in the United States. I think the reasons vary - but I suspect
many of us still have one foot in Mexico (even if we were never there)
because of the stories we heard as young ones or because of the discrimination we
felt in this country. I also think that many people in Mexico "saben las
movidas", and don't necessarily rely on formalized groups to share information.
But like many of this group, I feel it is important to share, because we all
share a similar disenfranchised past. Connecting the dots makes us all feel
part of a family, and hence part of a larger group such as nuestros ranchos.

Happy New Year everyone. Hope your Christmas was filled with wonderful
memories and a shared family past.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

Monterrey & African Legacy

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Hi there Esperanza ,

How unfortunate that we we're not able to meet while you were here in Monterrey . I was in Villa de Santiago last week and met with the historian that you mentioned his name is Jose ( Pepe ) Lastra Cavazos , Director del Archivo Historico Municipal . Pepe has all his information in his head I've asked him to start to video record his thoughts . I passed on to him the Protocolos de Monterrey and he gave me copies of Garmendias books from Saltillo . While I was there Pepe gave me a brochure with the info on the exhibit and I do plan on going ,thanks for the reminder .

On second thought and with hind sight I have to agree with you on the fact that there are alot of great things here that are not available in the states . Like you mentioned to be able to take fotos of the places to meet some of the people and the overall feeling of what it might have been back in those days .

Have a Great New Year !
Welester

> From: Latina1955@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 20:56:24 -0500> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy> > Hi Alicia and Welester and Ranchos Group,> > I was just in Monterrey,as part of the Chicago educators and Mexican Fine > Arts Museum delegation dedicating an exhibit to Monterrey's exhibit on our > African legacy. Please check this out Welester while the exhibit is still there > (right across the street from the state capitol building). It is beautiful > and very enlightening, particularly for those of us with limited information > of our African legacy in Mexico. > > I have shared many of my resources with my district's curriculum director. > However, Joseph, I have two CD's about this (African legacy in Mexico), plus > an enormous amount of wonderful photos I took. Please let me know how I can > share with the group. The CD's have music and voice to them...I have some > beautiful photos of Santiago...I believe another member of the group mentioned > they have family from there. In addition, I was fortunate enough to speak > personally with Santiago's historian..anyone with questions, let me know. > > Perhaps one of the nicest things I got to do was to interview an elder from > this side of the family in Monterrery- I learned some additional information > that would normally not be shared...additionally, I got a photo of my great > great aunt whose last name was Elizondo Elizondo - she was not only beautiful, > but I was amazed how much our gene pool skips first generation and resembles > 2nd and 3rd generation. I was able to take a photo of the painting...> > Also, I attended my mom's funeral shortly after I returned from Mexico. > There were originally 10 siblings, now there is only one. This is the reason > why I was unable to contact the group earlier. My mother and an aunt are the > last of the Luna/Herrera's 2nd generation that came from my grandparents > (Manuel Luna Herrera and Norberta Herrera Luna were the 1st generation) that were > born in the Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. I took pictures of the family during > this occasion, I can certainly forward them to the group as well. Perhaps one of > you might look one of us?> > Alicia, you ask why there may be so much interest and formalized groups of > us researchers in the United States. I think the reasons vary - but I suspect > many of us still have one foot in Mexico (even if we were never there) > because of the stories we heard as young ones or because of the discrimination we > felt in this country. I also think that many people in Mexico "saben las > movidas", and don't necessarily rely on formalized groups to share information. > But like many of this group, I feel it is important to share, because we all > share a similar disenfranchised past. Connecting the dots makes us all feel > part of a family, and hence part of a larger group such as nuestros ranchos.> > Happy New Year everyone. Hope your Christmas was filled with wonderful > memories and a shared family past.> > Esperanza> Chicagoland area> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Esperanza,

I am sorry to hear of your mother's passing away..........what a difficult thing to do at this time of the year although there is never a good time. (By the way, Esperanza is my mother's name and she has never liked her name).

Do you teach Mexican History? Thank you for bringing up this topic of our African ancestry, many want to talk about the Spanish heritage but not about the African heritage. I look forward to hearing or seeing it on Nuestros Ranchos. Do you give presentations in Chicago?

Feliz Año/Happy New Year to all, May our ancestors have something to smile about.

Alicia,
San Jose, Calif

----- Original Message ----
From: "Latina1955@aol.com"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:56:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

Hi Alicia and Welester and Ranchos Group,

Happy New Year everyone. Hope your Christmas was filled with wonderful
memories and a shared family past.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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I just wanted to address the statement below. I agree with the
sentiment of having one foot in Mexico, which I interpret as having
curiousity about our heritage and wanting to learn more about ourselves
even if we were "connected" to our heritage at some point. The few
days before Christmas I bought tamales de dulce and de puerco. On
Christmas Day, some of my grandchildren came to see me and I offered
them some tamales de dulce and hot Mexican chocolate. One of the
grandkids enjoyed the tamal and the other did not. But even so, as I
served them, I reminded them of the Mexican roots and family and spoke
of their heritage. I WANT these beautiful children to know where their
ancestors came from. ¡Feliz Año Nuevo y Prospero Año! from your prima,
Marge:)

>
> ****you ask why there may be so much interest and formalized groups of
> us researchers in the United States. I think the reasons vary - but I
> suspect
> many of us still have one foot in Mexico (even if we were never there)
> because of the stories we heard as young ones or because of the
> discrimination we
> felt in this country.

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Marge,
Thank you for your kind words...it has been a bit stressful...but somehow I
find that I must put that smile on my face and carry on...for the sake of the
family...By the way, I hated my name when people substituted it to
"Hope"....then during the 70's, I officially started using the name I was born
with...made people pronounce it (smile)...and since the book published called
"Esperanza Rising"....people tell me I have a beautiful name. Ah, amazing what
timing can do to make even one's own name seem acceptable.

I wish I taught Mexican history formally. No, I teach US history and Social
Studies (World Cultures), which makes me more of a generalist of Mexican
history. A long time ago, I became interested in our African heritage (Mexico
officially recognize this heritage in 1995) and did extensive research using
books obtained from the Northwestern, where they have one of the most
comprehensive books about the African diaspora in the United States. Then of course,
when I bumped into archives with relatives that were "Lobos" and
"Mulattos"...I felt that indeed some of our ancestors were reaching out to me quite
loudly. Today, I make the connection about our African heritage when I teach US
History, such as pointing out that the underground slave movement led to
trails that went directly into Mexico, particularly Coahuila. Do you remember
the book "Como Agua para Chocolate"? That book takes place in Piedras Negras,
and alludes to this snipit of history....

It is amazing how we are interconnected. For example, when I was in
Santiago, it was very apparent to me that this tiny village was filled with people
that were not necessarily Spanish or Indian. The historian insists it is the
French influence, but what he doesn't realize that the French invasion brought
in many Austrian soldiers...these soldiers decided not to return, or left
their seeds....and the rest, as they say is history!!

In March, I will be giving a joint presentation (Mexican Fine Arts Museum)
to educators about our African legacy. The purpose, of course, is to
enlighten high school Art teachers, Music teachers, and U.S History and Social
Studies teachers about this aspect of our culture. It is hoped that they will
begin to teach students by incorporating their new knowledge in their respective
curriculum. Despite the fact that my district has over 40% Hispanic
population, there is no coursework offered about their own culture. Isn't that a
tragedy? I believe that if our students saw their own history and faces
integrated in what they are learning, there might be less of a drop out rate...or at
the very least, more engaged learning...

Yes prima...it will indeed be a better year next year...with not only our
ancestors smiling and blessing us, but we will reflect that blessings with our
own smiles and blessings upon everyone else...

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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Alice and Esperanza ,

The number of africans that came to Mexico are estimated at between 100,000 to 250,000 most of them came through Veracru ( they don't pronounce the z ) Here's a bit of trivia the president of Venazuela is a descendent of one of the africans that came to Mexico and his ancestors still live in a village in Veracru .

Welester

> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 09:26:37 -0800> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy> > Esperanza,> > I am sorry to hear of your mother's passing away..........what a difficult thing to do at this time of the year although there is never a good time. (By the way, Esperanza is my mother's name and she has never liked her name).> > Do you teach Mexican History? Thank you for bringing up this topic of our African ancestry, many want to talk about the Spanish heritage but not about the African heritage. I look forward to hearing or seeing it on Nuestros Ranchos. Do you give presentations in Chicago?> > Feliz Año/Happy New Year to all, May our ancestors have something to smile about.> > Alicia,> San Jose, Calif> > > ----- Original Message ----> From: "Latina1955@aol.com" > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 5:56:24 PM> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy> > > Hi Alicia and Welester and Ranchos Group,> > I was just in Monterrey,as part of the Chicago educators and Mexican Fine > Arts Museum delegation dedicating an exhibit to Monterrey's exhibit on our > African legacy. Please check this out Welester while the exhibit is still there > (right across the street from the state capitol building). It is beautiful > and very enlightening, particularly for those of us with limited information > of our African legacy in Mexico. > > I have shared many of my resources with my district's curriculum director. > However, Joseph, I have two CD's about this (African legacy in Mexico), plus > an enormous amount of wonderful photos I took. Please let me know how I can > share with the group. The CD's have music and voice to them...I have some > beautiful photos of Santiago...I believe another member of the group mentioned > they have family from there. In addition, I was fortunate enough to speak > personally with Santiago's historian..anyone with questions, let me know. > > Perhaps one of the nicest things I got to do was to interview an elder from > this side of the family in Monterrery- I learned some additional information > that would normally not be shared...additionally, I got a photo of my great > great aunt whose last name was Elizondo Elizondo - she was not only beautiful, > but I was amazed how much our gene pool skips first generation and resembles > 2nd and 3rd generation. I was able to take a photo of the painting...> > Also, I attended my mom's funeral shortly after I returned from Mexico. > There were originally 10 siblings, now there is only one. This is the reason > why I was unable to contact the group earlier. My mother and an aunt are the > last of the Luna/Herrera's 2nd generation that came from my grandparents > (Manuel Luna Herrera and Norberta Herrera Luna were the 1st generation) that were > born in the Tlaltenango, Zacatecas. I took pictures of the family during > this occasion, I can certainly forward them to the group as well. Perhaps one of > you might look one of us?> > Alicia, you ask why there may be so much interest and formalized groups of > us researchers in the United States. I think the reasons vary - but I suspect > many of us still have one foot in Mexico (even if we were never there) > because of the stories we heard as young ones or because of the discrimination we > felt in this country. I also think that many people in Mexico "saben las > movidas", and don't necessarily rely on formalized groups to share information. > But like many of this group, I feel it is important to share, because we all > share a similar disenfranchised past. Connecting the dots makes us all feel > part of a family, and hence part of a larger group such as nuestros ranchos.> > Happy New Year everyone. Hope your Christmas was filled with wonderful > memories and a shared family past.> > Esperanza> Chicagoland area> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi there Esperanza ,

I like your name too , when I had a leather jacket manufacturing company in Los Angeles I used to put ads in the newspaper La Opinion under the name Roberto Esperanza ( Bob Hope ;-)
Anyway , you're right about the african contribution here in Mexico even in L.A. the 11 or 13 founding families I believe 6 or 7 were of mulato or negro heritage . In all of Mexico the blacks were used for labor and eventually alot of them became free, every once in awhile I see people here in Monterrey that have negroid features with blond hair green eyes and very white skin .
As for the rumor of the french in Villa de Santiago I've yet to prove it same goes for the austrians . The cronista from V de S Pepe Lastra says that it was unlikely because the soldiers never came in the direction of V de S . My ancestors thier are very french looking and I'm trying to see if there is anyway possible to confirm the french connection .

In the town of Allende all of the early settlers were just like the people of V de S and that is because 100 families from V de S were sent to settle it .

Welester

> From: Latina1955@aol.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 14:36:27 -0500> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy> > Marge,> Thank you for your kind words...it has been a bit stressful...but somehow I > find that I must put that smile on my face and carry on...for the sake of the > family...By the way, I hated my name when people substituted it to > "Hope"....then during the 70's, I officially started using the name I was born > with...made people pronounce it (smile)...and since the book published called > "Esperanza Rising"....people tell me I have a beautiful name. Ah, amazing what > timing can do to make even one's own name seem acceptable.> > I wish I taught Mexican history formally. No, I teach US history and Social > Studies (World Cultures), which makes me more of a generalist of Mexican > history. A long time ago, I became interested in our African heritage (Mexico > officially recognize this heritage in 1995) and did ext
ensive r
esearch using > books obtained from the Northwestern, where they have one of the most > comprehensive books about the African diaspora in the United States. Then of course, > when I bumped into archives with relatives that were "Lobos" and > "Mulattos"...I felt that indeed some of our ancestors were reaching out to me quite > loudly. Today, I make the connection about our African heritage when I teach US > History, such as pointing out that the underground slave movement led to > trails that went directly into Mexico, particularly Coahuila. Do you remember > the book "Como Agua para Chocolate"? That book takes place in Piedras Negras, > and alludes to this snipit of history....> > It is amazing how we are interconnected. For example, when I was in > Santiago, it was very apparent to me that this tiny village was filled with people > that were not necessarily Spanish or Indian. The historian insists it is the > French influence, but what he doesn't realize that the French inv
asion br
ought > in many Austrian soldiers...these soldiers decided not to return, or left > their seeds....and the rest, as they say is history!!> > In March, I will be giving a joint presentation (Mexican Fine Arts Museum) > to educators about our African legacy. The purpose, of course, is to > enlighten high school Art teachers, Music teachers, and U.S History and Social > Studies teachers about this aspect of our culture. It is hoped that they will > begin to teach students by incorporating their new knowledge in their respective > curriculum. Despite the fact that my district has over 40% Hispanic > population, there is no coursework offered about their own culture. Isn't that a > tragedy? I believe that if our students saw their own history and faces > integrated in what they are learning, there might be less of a drop out rate...or at > the very least, more engaged learning...> > Yes prima...it will indeed be a better year next year...with not only our > ancestors smiling and
blessing
us, but we will reflect that blessings with our > own smiles and blessings upon everyone else...> > Esperanza> Chicagoland area> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Esperanza,

Please, please, please (tres veces please) record your presentation and
let's use it for the http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project.
More material on this subject is needed and you don't need to be a Ph.D.
in "African Legacy" to make the point.

Please (numero cuatro),

joseph

ps: you said it was a joint presentation. Who is/are the other people
involved? Can I have your permission to contact them to see if they
would be willing to allow their part to be used for the
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com podcast project?

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
>
> In March, I will be giving a joint presentation (Mexican Fine Arts Museum)
> to educators about our African legacy.
>

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Hi Welester,
The first mayor (kind of like a vice mayor) of Santiago and I had long
conversations regarding his heritage. Although he looks Mexican, his grandfather
was one of those French/Austrian soldiers. Apparently, his grandfather was
very young when he was sent to Mexico to fight. He was taken under the wing
of a Mexican family, and so when it was time to return, his grandfather was
hidden, and taken in by the same Mexican family, whereby later, he assumed this
family's name. I have no reason to dispute his story..

But it gives you yet another thing to think about regarding the actual
tracing of French descendents throughout Mexico...it might be very difficult to
prove it through family surnames.

You are right about the estimated numbers, and most of them coming through
Veracruz - another port of entry was Guerrero and Oaxaca....and as mentioned,
there was the underground railroad...further, many of the Africans were taken
into Mexico City - where they were preferred over the indigenous populations
as servants (it was prestigious to have paid for servants). Additionally,
many states such as Zacatecas and Michoacan actually had more African presence
than Spanish presence in the 1500 and 1600's. The tracing of African
heritage was stopped after the Mexican Independence - no doubt due to the fact that
Mexico's 2nd president, Vicente Guerrero was a mulatto. Indeed, slavery was
abolished at this time. But as you say, sometimes the blood is
undeniable...and can be seen throughout all of Mexico....just think...even Menguin Pepin
managed to be "acceptable" .... even though if you think about it, it was yet
another form of denigrating the African inheritance.

There was a conscious movement occurring throughout all of Latin America to
"whiten" their blood. As they were looking at the progressive and prosperous
United States throughout the industrial revolution, they wondered whether in
part, this was attributable to the fact that their countries had large
populations of people of color. Consequently, during the 1800's, many Latin
American countries offered Europeans free land to settle in their countries. I am
not sure if Mexico was involved in this attractive proposal, but I am sure
that such countries such as Venezuela and Colombia,others were....

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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Joseph,

Ay....me da verguenza.....while I do know a little of something, I don't
feel I am an authority, such as the Curriculum Director from the Mexican Fine
Arts Museum in Chicago. That is why I have asked her to accompany me to make the
joint presentation, using materials they developed for educators. Let me
ask her permission....and we can go from there....okay?

Contact me personally using my email....there may be yet another way to
share information without necessarily recording me...

Esperanza

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I've entered in the albums section a painting I did that relates loosely to this African legacy discussion. It can be seen here, http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15438 The explanation of the painting is in http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/13941 Joseph very kindly added it for me. The explanation should be read first to understand the painting.

I felt also that because of the lighter skin the family has acquired through the years our Indeginous and Mulato ancestors would be forgotten if I didn't make an effort to preserve it. Besides, the females of my line worked very hard to keep me up nights until they were remembered, working under the guidence of the Muse's of my line and been exhausting and invigorating!
Linda in Everett

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Linda,

That is a wonderful story and you are a great painter. You had a wonderful concept there with the women and the she-wolf. (I can't believe you are a great-grandma). Makes me feel like getting out the old easel again too. My mother is descended from the Tewa-Manso-Piro (Pueblo tribes) of Paso del Norte/New Mexico, yet the covers of the booklets some of my cousins have put out only depict the Espanoles in their polished armor sitting on beautiful Arabian horses, ha! Just because every ancestor of my mother's is listed as espanol up to 1821 when they stopped identifying their race, and many of them were white and blue-eyed, many of us descendants only have to look in the mirror and see that after 1821 they must have started intermarrying with the Indios. I haven't any idea which tribes my father descends from in Zacatecas (his Indian ancestors were listed simply as Yndio), and I have no male Olagues related to my father to ask for their DNA. I haven't had a DNA test done on
myself
yet. Maybe I will now.

By the way, did you move back to Everett from Canada?

Regards,

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
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Emilie,
I have never thought that there was a conscious effort in destroying "actas"
for reasons related to destroying the African presence...I've always thought
about it as as a natural occurrence that would happen during a Revolutionary
War (form of destroying old political governments). Your suggestions gave
me reason to ponder that this might have occurred also during the War of
Independence. But if I were to venture to take a guess about the family stories
heard and stories of families in some pueblos who were French - but today, do
not hold those French last names, I would more venture to guess that it had
to do their presence not being very welcomed after Maximiliano's government
failed. People knew who they were - but these immigrants would not necessarily
boast their presence - perhaps they took Spanish surnames to further
integrate themselves....as did this man's grandfather from Santiago...Further, I
don't think their presence was that many---I think I read that a total of 50,000
French/Austrian soldiers came in during this period - can't say I know if
indeed most of them returned back home...it was a difficult period for French
citizens in France.....

Yes, like your family, I have siblings with blue eyes, siblings who look
like Indios, and of course siblings that look like me (lol) - a bit of this and
a bit of that....funny thing is that my blue eyed siblings have hair so curly,
they need a pick to comb it....

The German immigration to both the US and throughout Latin America first
started in the early to mid 1800's, when their government was undergoing
tremendous changes. One of the biggest exodus of course was shortly after WWI. I
could go on, but my family is ushering me out the door....

I really appreciated hearing your thoughts - it gives me yet another
dimension to contemplate...

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

In a message dated 12/29/2006 4:51:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com writes:

Esperanza - you said "The tracing of African heritage was stopped after the
Mexican Independence - no doubt due to the fact that Mexico's 2nd
president, Vicente Guerrero was a mulatto". Do you think that is the reason that so
many records were destroyed after the Independence and after the Revolution?
I heard that Hitler had his army demolish every public building in his home
town in Austria via weapons of mass destruction (rockets, etc), and that it
wasn't just for target practice. He wanted to be sure any records that would
bring up a hidden Jew in his lineage would be obliterated. I hear that in
Canada there is a move by some public official to destroy/and or deny public
access to all family records, and some say it has to do with questions of his
heritage or illegitimacy of birth.

I also find your comments about the French and Africans in Mexico
interesting, especially because my father, who was born in Jerez in 1903, was so
prejudiced against blacks and told us that his great-grandfather was known as El
Frances in his community (Tepetongo or Salitrillo) and had blue eyes. I find
through my searches that there are only Spaniards with Basque names (like
Olague) and that way back they intermarried with Indios and that other lines of
his had many listed as mulato (he would have been aghast). I haven't found a
single Frenchman in the bunch.

I cannot find any birth record for my father nor his sister nor of the
marriage of his parents. I find no record of his maternal ancestors, only his
paternal ancestors. My father did not look like his tall, very dark, handsome,
curly-haired cousins. He was very short, only 5 foot like me, was medium
complexioned, "chato", and was born blond (my mother had a lock of blond hair
given to her by his grandmother that she said had been from my father as a
little boy). It seems so many families in Mexico place high value on light hair
and skin. I am the darkest one in my family and the only one with curly
hair. My mother couldn't figure out why I came out that way except she said
that my father had some very dark, curly haired cousins. In other words, she
wanted it known that I was the result of something in his background, and not of
hers, ha, ha.

I also wondered why there are so many people in South America with German
and Italian surnames and their only language is Spanish. I have had to
interpret for blond, blue-eyed people surnamed Schmidt here in the US who were from
Argentina and only knew Spanish, and my husband had to interpret in Italy for
some Argentinians of Italian descent who couldn't speak Italian to their
cousins there in Italy.

Emilie

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Hi Emilie, we're snow birds and only live in Gold River, Vancouver Island 6 months a year. The other 6 months we're open to anything.. this year it's Everett again.

I don't know my Zacatecas Indio ancestors bands either. There were so many different groups that came with the Spaniards into Zacatecas to tame those dawg-gone Chichimicas.. Since Indio's come into my lines as mostly females, except my Garcia line in Jerez, I haven't had any luck but one day... I keep searching and with the help of this group most of us will get farther than we can alone.. Actually to be able to find Indio surnames is a challenge in itself! I don't plan on giving up just like you won't either...

Linda in Everett

Emilie Garcia wrote:
Linda,

By the way, did you move back to Everett from Canada?

Regards,

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I believe in the early colonial period, many of the spainards coming into Mexico came in from Cuba and other parts of the caribbean. In the Carribean, as the native populations died off they were were replaced by afican slaves. Some of the spainards coming in from the caribbean had trafficed in black slaves. Black slaves were considered more reliable than indian slaves. The spainards had a system were a slave could gain his freedom according to rules that had been set down. Many of the original settlers of Monterrey had had black slaves.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Latina1955@aol.com: --------------

>
> Emilie,
> I have never thought that there was a conscious effort in destroying "actas"
> for reasons related to destroying the African presence...I've always thought
> about it as as a natural occurrence that would happen during a Revolutionary
> War (form of destroying old political governments). Your suggestions gave
> me reason to ponder that this might have occurred also during the War of
> Independence. But if I were to venture to take a guess about the family
> stories
> heard and stories of families in some pueblos who were French - but today, do
> not hold those French last names, I would more venture to guess that it had
> to do their presence not being very welcomed after Maximiliano's government
> failed. People knew who they were - but these immigrants would not necessarily
> boast their presence - perhaps they took Spanish surnames to further
> integrate themselves....as did this man's grandfather from Santiago...Further,
> I
> don't think their presence was that many---I think I read that a total of
> 50,000
> French/Austrian soldiers came in during this period - can't say I know if
> indeed most of them returned back home...it was a difficult period for French
> citizens in France.....
>
> Yes, like your family, I have siblings with blue eyes, siblings who look
> like Indios, and of course siblings that look like me (lol) - a bit of this and
> a bit of that....funny thing is that my blue eyed siblings have hair so curly,
> they need a pick to comb it....
>
> The German immigration to both the US and throughout Latin America first
> started in the early to mid 1800's, when their government was undergoing
> tremendous changes. One of the biggest exodus of course was shortly after WWI.
> I
> could go on, but my family is ushering me out the door....
>
> I really appreciated hearing your thoughts - it gives me yet another
> dimension to contemplate...
>
> Esperanza
> Chicagoland area
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/29/2006 4:51:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Esperanza - you said "The tracing of African heritage was stopped after the
> Mexican Independence - no doubt due to the fact that Mexico's 2nd
> president, Vicente Guerrero was a mulatto". Do you think that is the reason
> that so
> many records were destroyed after the Independence and after the Revolution?
> I heard that Hitler had his army demolish every public building in his home
> town in Austria via weapons of mass destruction (rockets, etc), and that it
> wasn't just for target practice. He wanted to be sure any records that would
> bring up a hidden Jew in his lineage would be obliterated. I hear that in
> Canada there is a move by some public official to destroy/and or deny public
> access to all family records, and some say it has to do with questions of his
> heritage or illegitimacy of birth.
>
> I also find your comments about the French and Africans in Mexico
> interesting, especially because my father, who was born in Jerez in 1903, was
> so
> prejudiced against blacks and told us that his great-grandfather was known as
> El
> Frances in his community (Tepetongo or Salitrillo) and had blue eyes. I find
> through my searches that there are only Spaniards with Basque names (like
> Olague) and that way back they intermarried with Indios and that other lines of
> his had many listed as mulato (he would have been aghast). I haven't found a
> single Frenchman in the bunch.
>
> I cannot find any birth record for my father nor his sister nor of the
> marriage of his parents. I find no record of his maternal ancestors, only his
> paternal ancestors. My father did not look like his tall, very dark, handsome,
> curly-haired cousins. He was very short, only 5 foot like me, was medium
> complexioned, "chato", and was born blond (my mother had a lock of blond hair
> given to her by his grandmother that she said had been from my father as a
> little boy). It seems so many families in Mexico place high value on light
> hair
> and skin. I am the darkest one in my family and the only one with curly
> hair. My mother couldn't figure out why I came out that way except she said
> that my father had some very dark, curly haired cousins. In other words, she
> wanted it known that I was the result of something in his background, and not
> of
> hers, ha, ha.
>
> I also wondered why there are so many people in South America with German
> and Italian surnames and their only language is Spanish. I have had to
> interpret for blond, blue-eyed people surnamed Schmidt here in the US who were
> from
> Argentina and only knew Spanish, and my husband had to interpret in Italy for
> some Argentinians of Italian descent who couldn't speak Italian to their
> cousins there in Italy.
>
> Emilie
>
>
>
>

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Hi Emilie,
You are right on all accounts regarding the slave trade, with the Caribbean
being the "point" place of exchange. Your last statement intrigued me
regarding the original settlers in Monterrey having black slaves...can you expound
on that?
Esperanza

In a message dated 12/30/2006 5:38:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
eaherold@att.net writes:

believe in the early colonial period, many of the spainards coming into
Mexico came in from Cuba and other parts of the caribbean. In the Carribean, as
the native populations died off they were were replaced by afican slaves.
Some of the spainards coming in from the caribbean had trafficed in black
slaves. Black slaves were considered more reliable than indian slaves. The
spainards had a system were a slave could gain his freedom according to rules that
had been set down. Many of the original settlers of Monterrey had had black
slaves

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Esperanza,

I think you meant to address your message to Esther. She's the one who e-mailed that account of black slaves in Monterrey. I know nothing of the coast there, only of Zacatecas and Jalisco.

Emilie
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Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

In a message dated 12/30/2006 5:38:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,
eaherold@att.net writes:

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You're right about the indigenous population disappearing and being replaced. I've had several students from Cuba and the Dominican Republic and none of them have any knowledge of the indigineous people of their islands. My parents were very light skinned Mexicans and they always told me that discrimination there is not based on race or ethnicity, but on socio-economics. That's somewhat true, yet at the same time they were always telling me to play in the shade, don't get too tanned, or runaround sweating "como una india"! Owning up to prejudice and racism is very difficult. However, it's something we all have to admit to and learn to conquer. Alice BB

--- eaherold@att.net wrote:

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To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:38:28 +0000

-------------- Original message from Latina1955@aol.com: --------------

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Alice...

Actually, my whole tone in my extensive research reflects exactly what you
stated. While many argue that it is socio-economic status that dictates
things throughout Latin America, it is no mistake that many of us who reflect
"color" are not enjoying the same socio-economic status of others...despite
similar educational backgrounds or excellent family names. See, my research of
long ago ended with this: as long as you resembled our "darker" past, then it
means that at one time the "whiter" society had you in servitude - and despite
any means to try to escape that legacy, your skin color and physical
features provides a subconscious (and conscious) rationale to continue to
discriminate...hence, one's socio-economic status never really elevates or has a chance
to elevate, as the "light skinned" counterparts. Our countries still suffer
from the "conquistador" syndrome.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

In a message dated 12/30/2006 8:44:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
alicebb@netscape.com writes:

You're right about the indigenous population disappearing and being
replaced. I've had several students from Cuba and the Dominican Republic and none of
them have any knowledge of the indigineous people of their islands. My
parents were very light skinned Mexicans and they always told me that
discrimination there is not based on race or ethnicity, but on socio-economics. That's
somewhat true, yet at the same time they were always telling me to play in
the shade, don't get too tanned, or runaround sweating "como una india"!
Owning up to prejudice and racism is very difficult. However, it's something we
all have to admit to and learn to conquer. Alice BB

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Hi there Esperanza ,

I have a few books on mariages from Villa de Santiago and they all have references on negro , mulatto , esclavo , collote and the protocolos de Monterrey also have the same references , there are quite a few .

Welester

> From: Latina1955@aol.com> Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 19:02:30 -0500> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy> > > Hi Emilie,> You are right on all accounts regarding the slave trade, with the Caribbean > being the "point" place of exchange. Your last statement intrigued me > regarding the original settlers in Monterrey having black slaves...can you expound > on that? > Esperanza > > In a message dated 12/30/2006 5:38:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, > eaherold@att.net writes:> > believe in the early colonial period, many of the spainards coming into > Mexico came in from Cuba and other parts of the caribbean. In the Carribean, as > the native populations died off they were were replaced by afican slaves. > Some of the spainards coming in from the caribbean had trafficed in black > slaves. Black slaves were considered more reliable than indian slaves. The > spainards had a system were a slave could gain his freedom according to
rules th
at > had been set down. Many of the original settlers of Monterrey had had black > slaves> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Esperansa you made me remember my own family situation. My mother was blond and blue eyes with very white skin.. I also found Mulato's in her maternal line in Zapotlan El Grande, Jalisco back to the 1650's. My father's family is from Jerez Zacatecas and for the most part much darker. My mothers family was poor as church mice and could not read or write.. my fathers family was established, owned their homes and could read and write.. My maternal grandmother was in horror when she found out my mother was marrying this dark skinned man. She almost disowned my mother. The only issue was skin color. It had been made such an issue in Mexico that she brought the feelings with her from Mexico to the states in 1922.. We do what we know. I can also remember when being told I didn't "look" Mexican was taken as a complement! Years later I started asking what does a Mexican look like, my own personal healing had begun. I also remember at age 17 being told by a perspective
employer to stay on my side of town.. I do wonder at the members who say they have never encountered prejudice. I know color lines were and still are a very real thing in Stockton Ca.

When I was born the first question was how dark was I and did I have blue eyes, the same for my siblings and my cousins. Oh how Grandma Rafaela would have shuddered to know she had African ancestors! The only way racism will be abolished is one by one.. when we have the knowledge that we are more alike than different, I can do my part just like everyone else in this group with educating myself about the true history of Mexico. Because of genealogy and learning the history of Mexico through this avenue I've learn to embrace and be proud of all my heritage. With mtdna and dna findings we deepen our knowledge even more.. so many tools now to work with..

Linda in Everett

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Just a general question indirectly related to the current conversation topic...

I'd recently had my DNA tested at familytreedna.com and my patrilineal DNA had markers traceable back to Northwestern China. Do all of us with Indio blood carry the same general DNA characteristics given the native Americans probable point of origin being Siberia/Northern Asia?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:34:40
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

Hi Emilie, we're snow birds and only live in Gold River, Vancouver Island 6 months a year. The other 6 months we're open to anything.. this year it's Everett again.

Linda in Everett

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Linda,

By the way, did you move back to Everett from Canada?

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Tony, what haplogroup are you? My Uncle Louis Gutierrez is Haplogroup N and the thinking is that he's Native American since a sub-group Haplogroup N3 found in Seville Spain is thought to be from Moctezuma's retinue who were there, otherwise Haplogroup N is found in Siberia, Finland and Russia today.. I've noticed Indeginous males are usually HaplogroupQ or Q1.. and Indeginous woman are Haplogroups A, B, C or D.. My mtdna came back Haplogroup A. which would be Nahua in Mexico, Lakota, Zuni, Navajo and others in the states and Haida in Canada and Eleut in Alaska, first group A traceable to Siberia. Have you submitted your results to Gary Felix's dna site?
Linda in Everett

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Linda,

My haplogroup is Q3, which I understand to be limited only to Native American populations.

If anyone would like to compare their 12-marker Y-DNA profile to mine, I would be more than happy to share.

Tony
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-----Original Message-----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 00:10:25
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

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Thank you for replying Tony, I'm still looking for that elusive Native American who's dna is Haplogroup N besides my Gutierrez line.
Linda in Everett

Tony Diaz wrote:
Linda,

My haplogroup is Q3, which I understand to be limited only to Native American populations.

If anyone would like to compare their 12-marker Y-DNA profile to mine, I would be more than happy to share.

Tony
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Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 00:10:25
To:research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

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In a message dated 12/31/2006 12:53:24 P.M. Central Standard Time,
mistyriver123@yahoo.com writes:

Esperanza: Please accept my heartfelt condolences on the loss of your
mother. May your heart always be filled with the wonderful memories, and love of
your mother.

I just went to phone you, but only have your home address. Please send me
your phone number off line.

You were so supportive to me when I lost my three siblings, and the
heartfelt letters that you sent. You are such a wonderful caring person. Abrazos y
besos/Helyn

Thank you Helyn for your kind words...they are truly appreciated. In
reality, I knew that her death was forthcoming - but I had no idea when...or how to
anticipate the eventual circumstances....she is at peace...a peace she never
really had during her life.

Thank you also for the accolades...you are much too generous...it is I who
have reason to be indebted to your kindness and generosity shown to me
throughout the years.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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In a message dated 12/31/2006 10:30:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,
hombrepi@hotmail.com writes:

Hi there Esperanza ,

I have a few books on mariages from Villa de Santiago and they all have
references on negro , mulatto , esclavo , collote and the protocolos de Monterrey
also have the same references , there are quite a few .

Welester

Very interesting Welester...as my conversations with some historians from
Nuevo Leon/Monterrey themselves were not aware of this shared past....indeed,
the reason, I believe, that Monterrey Museum embraced this exhibit was because
they felt a safe distance...hmmm,,,

Esperanza

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Now...Now...Esperanza let's not be shy!!

Joseph, Esperanza and I have been communicating, do believe prior to "Ranchos", and are certain we connect with our Herrera's and Lunas. Esperanza is a brilliant, and well accomplished woman in her own right...with many five stars...

Now...Esperanza...step up to the microphone...you can do it!!!
Your prima....Helyn

Latina1955@aol.com wrote:
Joseph,

Contact me personally using my email....there may be yet another way to
share information without necessarily recording me...

Esperanza

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Esperanza and Welester,

Esperanza - you said "The tracing of African heritage was stopped after the Mexican Independence - no doubt due to the fact that Mexico's 2nd president, Vicente Guerrero was a mulatto". Do you think that is the reason that so many records were destroyed after the Independence and after the Revolution? I heard that Hitler had his army demolish every public building in his home town in Austria via weapons of mass destruction (rockets, etc), and that it wasn't just for target practice. He wanted to be sure any records that would bring up a hidden Jew in his lineage would be obliterated. I hear that in Canada there is a move by some public official to destroy/and or deny public access to all family records, and some say it has to do with questions of his heritage or illegitimacy of birth.

I also find your comments about the French and Africans in Mexico interesting, especially because my father, who was born in Jerez in 1903, was so prejudiced against blacks and told us that his great-grandfather was known as El Frances in his community (Tepetongo or Salitrillo) and had blue eyes. I find through my searches that there are only Spaniards with Basque names (like Olague) and that way back they intermarried with Indios and that other lines of his had many listed as mulato (he would have been aghast). I haven't found a single Frenchman in the bunch.

I cannot find any birth record for my father nor his sister nor of the marriage of his parents. I find no record of his maternal ancestors, only his paternal ancestors. My father did not look like his tall, very dark, handsome, curly-haired cousins. He was very short, only 5 foot like me, was medium complexioned, "chato", and was born blond (my mother had a lock of blond hair given to her by his grandmother that she said had been from my father as a little boy). It seems so many families in Mexico place high value on light hair and skin. I am the darkest one in my family and the only one with curly hair. My mother couldn't figure out why I came out that way except she said that my father had some very dark, curly haired cousins. In other words, she wanted it known that I was the result of something in his background, and not of hers, ha, ha.

I also wondered why there are so many people in South America with German and Italian surnames and their only language is Spanish. I have had to interpret for blond, blue-eyed people surnamed Schmidt here in the US who were from Argentina and only knew Spanish, and my husband had to interpret in Italy for some Argentinians of Italian descent who couldn't speak Italian to their cousins there in Italy.

Emilie

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Monterrey & African Legacy

But it gives you yet another thing to think about regarding the actual
tracing of French descendents throughout Mexico...it might be very difficult to
prove it through family surnames.

Esperanza
Chicagoland area

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My Grandfather is Pedro Gonzales Jauregui he married Maria Ruano. They were both born in La Estancia De Los Delgadillos.
My grandfathers parents are Rosalio Jauregui and Pomposa Gonzales. Rosalio's parents are Salvador Jauregui and Catarina Vidaurri.

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Yolanda Wilkerson wrote:
> My Grandfather is Pedro Gonzales Jauregui he married Maria Ruano. They were both born in La Estancia De Los Delgadillos.
> My grandfathers parents are Rosalio Jauregui and Pomposa Gonzales. Rosalio's parents are Salvador Jauregui and Catarina Vidaurri.
> My file is in the group: http://www.nuestrostanchos.com/node/15431
>
this is the correct URL: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15431
> Yolanda Caudillo-Wilkerson
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Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some children of Diego Tevino and
Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of

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i have the same information about Diego DE TREVINO and FRANCISCA ALCOZER as JOHN INCLAN.

eaherold@att.net wrote: Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some children of Diego Tevino and
Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino Fernandez Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
--
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-------------- Original message from rosa9972 : --------------

>
> Hi Linda and Joseph--
>
> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the Banuelos family.
> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much information
> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll email you off
> the group so we can exchange information.
>
> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as her 5th
> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are related and
> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
>
> Rosalinda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Puentes
> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco
>
> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
>
> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are BaÃ±uelos and she is a
> Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
> Rosalinda will know for sure.
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>
> longsjourney wrote:
> > I'm not familiar with the town of Huejucar Jalisco but my Aunt who's family is
> from there has asked if I could find anything on her families there.
> > Her parents were Salvador Banuelos and Emma Madrid no dates but approx. 1900
> in Huejucar
> > Salvadors parent Issac Banuelos and Teodora or Todora Flores abt 1875
> > Teodora Flores's parents were Marcos Flores and Andrea Sandoval married 19 Feb
> 1867 in Huejucar
> > Salvadors parents were Santos Banuelos and Leonides Quesada married 20 April
> 1871 in Huejucar.
> >
> > I've found children for these parents but no parents for Santos Banuelos or
> Leonides Quesada. My Aunt was told that Santos father was Francisco Banuelos
> from Spain but I've found nothing to prove that. Is anyone working any of these
> lines from Huejucar Jalisco Mexico?
> >
> > Thanks, Linda in Everett
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:

> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
> children of Diego Tevino and
> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca
> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino Fernandez
> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from rosa9972
> : --------------
>
>
>>
>> Hi Linda and Joseph--
>>
>> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the
>> Banuelos family.
>> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much
>> information
>> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll email
>> you off
>> the group so we can exchange information.
>>
>> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as
>> her 5th
>> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are
>> related and
>> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
>>
>> Rosalinda
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph Puentes
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar
>> Jalisco
>>
>> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
>>
>> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are BaÃ±uelos and she
>> is a
>> Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
>> Rosalinda will know for sure.
>>
>> joseph
>>
>> ===================
>>
>> Joseph Puentes
>> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>>
>> longsjourney wrote:
>>> I'm not familiar with the town of Huejucar Jalisco but my Aunt who's
>>> family is
>> from there has asked if I could find anything on her families there.
>>> Her parents were Salvador Banuelos and Emma Madrid no dates but
>>> approx. 1900
>> in Huejucar
>>> Salvadors parent Issac Banuelos and Teodora or Todora Flores abt 1875
>>> Teodora Flores's parents were Marcos Flores and Andrea Sandoval
>>> married 19 Feb
>> 1867 in Huejucar
>>> Salvadors parents were Santos Banuelos and Leonides Quesada married
>>> 20 April
>> 1871 in Huejucar.
>>>
>>> I've found children for these parents but no parents for Santos
>>> Banuelos or
>> Leonides Quesada. My Aunt was told that Santos father was Francisco
>> Banuelos
>> from Spain but I've found nothing to prove that. Is anyone working
>> any of these
>> lines from Huejucar Jalisco Mexico?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Linda in Everett
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>
>>> To post, send email to:
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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>>

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Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a myth also. All I know that has been
verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same family.

Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan. THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where he has been posting the Trevino lineage.

Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the daughter of Jose Trevino.
According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.
The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.

Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------

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Comment

I was going to copy and paste to you here but the information is just
too lengthy. Go to Google groups and type in Genealogia de Mexico,
then in the search engine for that group type in Banuelos + Inclan or
Banuelos + Velasco and see what it gets you. Marge:)

On Dec 2, 2006, at 11:59 PM, eaherold@att.net wrote:

> Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a
> myth also. All I know that has been
> verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there
> and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same
> family.
>
> Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the
> connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan
> mentioned a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on
> interlibrary loan. THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I
> still think there are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books
> at various sites where he has been posting the Trevino lineage.
>
> Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the
> daughter of Jose Trevino.
> According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that
> came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was
> born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.
> The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have
> to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza"
> : --------------
>
>
>> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
>> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
>> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
>> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
>> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
>> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
>> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:
>>
>>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
>>> children of Diego Tevino and
>>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca
>>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
>>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
>>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
>>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
>>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
>>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino
>>> Fernandez
>>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
>>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
>>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
>>> --
>>> Esther A. Herold
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from rosa9972
>>> : --------------
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Linda and Joseph--
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the
>>>> Banuelos family.
>>>> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much
>>>> information
>>>> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll
>>>> email
>>>> you off
>>>> the group so we can exchange information.
>>>>
>>>> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as
>>>> her 5th
>>>> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are
>>>> related and
>>>> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
>>>>
>>>> Rosalinda
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joseph Puentes
>>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
>>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>>> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar
>>>> Jalisco
>>>>
>>>> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
>>>>
>>>> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are BaÃ±uelos and she
>>>> is a
>>>> Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
>>>> Rosalinda will know for sure.
>>>>
>>>> joseph
>>>>
>>>> ===================
>>>>
>>>> Joseph Puentes
>>>> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>>>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>>>>
>>>> longsjourney wrote:
>>>>> I'm not familiar with the town of Huejucar Jalisco but my Aunt
>>>>> who's
>>>>> family is
>>>> from there has asked if I could find anything on her families there.
>>>>> Her parents were Salvador Banuelos and Emma Madrid no dates but
>>>>> approx. 1900
>>>> in Huejucar
>>>>> Salvadors parent Issac Banuelos and Teodora or Todora Flores abt
>>>>> 1875
>>>>> Teodora Flores's parents were Marcos Flores and Andrea Sandoval
>>>>> married 19 Feb
>>>> 1867 in Huejucar
>>>>> Salvadors parents were Santos Banuelos and Leonides Quesada married
>>>>> 20 April
>>>> 1871 in Huejucar.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've found children for these parents but no parents for Santos
>>>>> Banuelos or
>>>> Leonides Quesada. My Aunt was told that Santos father was Francisco
>>>> Banuelos
>>>> from Spain but I've found nothing to prove that. Is anyone working
>>>> any of these
>>>> lines from Huejucar Jalisco Mexico?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Linda in Everett
>>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>>>
>>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>
>>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>>>>
>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>
>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
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HELLO,
I ran into a book "origin of the Trevino and GARZA (de la Garza) names.ft is in the DE ESCANDON research room at the public library where I do my research and where I am also a volunteer.

Thought it might interest your.

I have a Leonor Ayala in my family tree also.

Juanita G. Delgado

eaherold@att.net wrote:
Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a myth also. All I know that has been
verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same family.

Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------

> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:
>
> > Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
> > children of Diego Tevino and
> > Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca
> > Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
> > Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
> > DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
> > moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
> > parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
> > John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino Fernandez
> > Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
> > Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
> > Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
> > --
> > Esther A. Herold
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message from rosa9972
> > : --------------
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Linda and Joseph--
> >>
> >> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the
> >> Banuelos family.
> >> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much
> >> information
> >> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll email
> >> you off
> >> the group so we can exchange information.
> >>
> >> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as
> >> her 5th
> >> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are
> >> related and
> >> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
> >>
> >> Rosalinda
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Joseph Puentes
> >> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
> >> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
> >> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar
> >> Jalisco
> >>
> >> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
> >>
> >> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are BaÃ±uelos and she
> >> is a
> >> Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
> >> Rosalinda will know for sure.
> >>
> >> joseph
> >>
> >> ===================
> >>
> >> Joseph Puentes
> >> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> >> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
> >>
> >> longsjourney wrote:
> >>> I'm not familiar with the town of Huejucar Jalisco but my Aunt who's
> >>> family is
> >> from there has asked if I could find anything on her families there.
> >>> Her parents were Salvador Banuelos and Emma Madrid no dates but
> >>> approx. 1900
> >> in Huejucar
> >>> Salvadors parent Issac Banuelos and Teodora or Todora Flores abt 1875
> >>> Teodora Flores's parents were Marcos Flores and Andrea Sandoval
> >>> married 19 Feb
> >> 1867 in Huejucar
> >>> Salvadors parents were Santos Banuelos and Leonides Quesada married
> >>> 20 April
> >> 1871 in Huejucar.
> >>>
> >>> I've found children for these parents but no parents for Santos
> >>> Banuelos or
> >> Leonides Quesada. My Aunt was told that Santos father was Francisco
> >> Banuelos
> >> from Spain but I've found nothing to prove that. Is anyone working
> >> any of these
> >> lines from Huejucar Jalisco Mexico?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Linda in Everett
> >>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> >>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >>>
> >>> To post, send email to:
> >>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >>>
> >>> To change your subscription, log on to:
> >>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> >>>
> >>
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> >>
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> >> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >>
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Comment

my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2 generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.

Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this information already.

Thanks,
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------

Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

Comment

I'm interested in seeing your information, if you don't mind. Thanks.
Marge:)
On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:27 PM, juanita delgado wrote:

> my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2
> generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.
>
> Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this
> information already.
>
> eaherold@att.net wrote:
> Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a
> myth also. All I know that has been
> verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there
> and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same
> family.
>
> Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the
> connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned
> a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan.
> THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there
> are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where
> he has been posting the Trevino lineage.
>
> Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the
> daughter of Jose Trevino.
> According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that
> came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was
> born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.
> The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have
> to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------
>
>
>> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
>> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
>> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
>> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
>> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
>> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
>> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:
>>
>>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
>>> children of Diego Tevino and
>>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca
>>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
>>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
>>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
>>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
>>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
>>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino
>>> Fernandez
>>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
>>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
>>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
>>> --
>>> Esther A. Herold
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from rosa9972
>>> : --------------
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Linda and Joseph--
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the
>>>> Banuelos family.
>>>> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much
>>>> information
>>>> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll
>>>> email
>>>> you off
>>>> the group so we can exchange information.
>>>>
>>>> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as
>>>> her 5th
>>>> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are
>>>> related and
>>>> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
>>>>
>>>> Rosalinda
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Joseph Puentes
>>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
>>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>>> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar
>>>> Jalisco
>>>>
>>>> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
>>>>
>>>> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are BaÃ±uelos and she
>>>> is a
>>>> Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
>>>> Rosalinda will know for sure.
>>>>
>>>> joseph
>>>>
>>>> ===================
>>>>
>>>> Joseph Puentes
>>>> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>>>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>>>>
>>>> longsjourney wrote:
>>>>> I'm not familiar with the town of Huejucar Jalisco but my Aunt
>>>>> who's
>>>>> family is
>>>> from there has asked if I could find anything on her families there.
>>>>> Her parents were Salvador Banuelos and Emma Madrid no dates but
>>>>> approx. 1900
>>>> in Huejucar
>>>>> Salvadors parent Issac Banuelos and Teodora or Todora Flores abt
>>>>> 1875
>>>>> Teodora Flores's parents were Marcos Flores and Andrea Sandoval
>>>>> married 19 Feb
>>>> 1867 in Huejucar
>>>>> Salvadors parents were Santos Banuelos and Leonides Quesada married
>>>>> 20 April
>>>> 1871 in Huejucar.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've found children for these parents but no parents for Santos
>>>>> Banuelos or
>>>> Leonides Quesada. My Aunt was told that Santos father was Francisco
>>>> Banuelos
>>>> from Spain but I've found nothing to prove that. Is anyone working
>>>> any of these
>>>> lines from Huejucar Jalisco Mexico?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Linda in Everett
>>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>>>
>>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>
>>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>>
>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>
>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>>>
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>>>
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>>

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Comment

but don't put it in an email to the list.

either:

1) gedcom it to the group via the gedcom section
2) put a report in your folder
3) email it to her privately

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

M. Vallazza wrote:
> I'm interested in seeing your information, if you don't mind. Thanks.
> Marge:)
> On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:27 PM, juanita delgado wrote:
>
>
>> my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2
>> generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.
>>
>> Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this
>> information already.
>>
>> eaherold@att.net wrote:
>> Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a
>> myth also. All I know that has been
>> verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there
>> and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same
>> family.
>>
>> Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the
>> connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned
>> a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan.
>> THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there
>> are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where
>> he has been posting the Trevino lineage.
>>
>> Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the
>> daughter of Jose Trevino.
>> According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that
>> came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was
>> born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.
>> The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have
>> to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Esther A. Herold
>>
>>
>> -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------
>>
>>
>>
>>> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
>>> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
>>> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
>>> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
>>> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
>>> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
>>> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
>>>> children of Diego Tevino and
>>>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca
>>>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
>>>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
>>>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
>>>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
>>>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
>>>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino
>>>> Fernandez
>>>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
>>>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
>>>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
>>>> --
>>>> Esther A. Herold
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------------- Original message from rosa9972
>>>> : --------------
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Linda and Joseph--
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the
>>>>> Banuelos family.
>>>>> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much
>>>>> information
>>>>> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll
>>>>> email
>>>>> you off
>>>>> the group so we can exchange information.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as
>>>>> her 5th
>>>>> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are
>>>>> related and
>>>>> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosalinda
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Joseph Puentes
>>>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
>>>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar
>>>>> Jalisco
>>>>>
>>>>> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are BaÃ±uelos and she
>>>>> is a
>>>>> Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
>>>>> Rosalinda will know for sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> ===================
>>>>>
>>>>> Joseph Puentes
>>>>> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>>>>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>>>>>
>>>>> longsjourney wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not familiar with the town of Huejucar Jalisco but my Aunt
>>>>>> who's
>>>>>> family is
>>>>>>
>>>>> from there has asked if I could find anything on her families there.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Her parents were Salvador Banuelos and Emma Madrid no dates but
>>>>>> approx. 1900
>>>>>>
>>>>> in Huejucar
>>>>>
>>>>>> Salvadors parent Issac Banuelos and Teodora or Todora Flores abt
>>>>>> 1875
>>>>>> Teodora Flores's parents were Marcos Flores and Andrea Sandoval
>>>>>> married 19 Feb
>>>>>>
>>>>> 1867 in Huejucar
>>>>>
>>>>>> Salvadors parents were Santos Banuelos and Leonides Quesada married
>>>>>> 20 April
>>>>>>
>>>>> 1871 in Huejucar.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've found children for these parents but no parents for Santos
>>>>>> Banuelos or
>>>>>>
>>>>> Leonides Quesada. My Aunt was told that Santos father was Francisco
>>>>> Banuelos
>>>>> from Spain but I've found nothing to prove that. Is anyone working
>>>>> any of these
>>>>> lines from Huejucar Jalisco Mexico?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Linda in Everett
>>>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>>>>>
>>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>
>>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>
>>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>>
>>>> To post, send email to:
>>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>
>>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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>>>
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Marge,

John Inclan references Guillermo Garmendia Leal's book on Nueva Galicia p.142. Guillermo in his book references two books, one in the Bancroft library, "A Guide to the Manuscripts of the Collections of Bancroft, Vol II Mexican Manuscripts Clave M-M1714" p 151. Then Guillermo also lists a film from the Family History Center in Salt Lake #0266637. Then there is another book "Biografias de Conquistadoews de Mexico de Guatamala" by Francisco Fernandez de Catsillo p. 59.

I still hae not seen any proofs either way regarding Trevino's lineage only opinions. It is worth to try and check out the resources mentioned above.

Esther
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------

> I'm interested in seeing your information, if you don't mind. Thanks.
> Marge:)
> On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:27 PM, juanita delgado wrote:
>
> > my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2
> > generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.
> >
> > Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this
> > information already.
> >
> > eaherold@att.net wrote:
> > Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a
> > myth also. All I know that has been
> > verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there
> > and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same
> > family.
> >
> > Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the
> > connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned
> > a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan.
> > THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there
> > are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where
> > he has been posting the Trevino lineage.
> >
> > Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the
> > daughter of Jose Trevino.
> > According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that
> > came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was
> > born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.
> > The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have
> > to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --
> > Esther A. Herold
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------
> >
> >
> >> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
> >> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
> >> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
> >> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
> >> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
> >> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
> >> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:
> >>
> >>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
> >>> children of Diego Tevino and
> >>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca
> >>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
> >>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
> >>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
> >>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
> >>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
> >>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino
> >>> Fernandez
> >>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
> >>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
> >>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
> >>> --
> >>> Esther A. Herold
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original message from rosa9972
> >>> : --------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Linda and Joseph--
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the
> >>>> Banuelos family.
> >>>> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much
> >>>> information
> >>>> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll
> >>>> email
> >>>> you off
> >>>> the group so we can exchange information.
> >>>>
> >>>> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as
> >>>> her 5th
> >>>> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are
> >>>> related and
> >>>> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rosalinda
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Joseph Puentes
> >>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
> >>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >>>> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar
> >>>> Jalisco
> >>>>
> >>>> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
> >>>>
> >>>> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are Ba

Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

Comment

why don't you all ask John Inclan to comment: fromgalveston@yahoo.com

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

eaherold@att.net wrote:
> Marge,
>
> John Inclan references Guillermo Garmendia Leal's book on Nueva Galicia p.142. Guillermo in his book references two books, one in the Bancroft library, "A Guide to the Manuscripts of the Collections of Bancroft, Vol II Mexican Manuscripts Clave M-M1714" p 151. Then Guillermo also lists a film from the Family History Center in Salt Lake #0266637. Then there is another book "Biografias de Conquistadoews de Mexico de Guatamala" by Francisco Fernandez de Catsillo p. 59.
>
> I still hae not seen any proofs either way regarding Trevino's lineage only opinions. It is worth to try and check out the resources mentioned above.
>
> Esther
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------
>
>
>
>> I'm interested in seeing your information, if you don't mind. Thanks.
>> Marge:)
>> On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:27 PM, juanita delgado wrote:
>>
>>
>>> my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2
>>> generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.
>>>
>>> Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this
>>> information already.
>>>
>>> eaherold@att.net wrote:
>>> Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a
>>> myth also. All I know that has been
>>> verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there
>>> and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same
>>> family.
>>>
>>> Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the
>>> connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned
>>> a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan.
>>> THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there
>>> are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where
>>> he has been posting the Trevino lineage.
>>>
>>> Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the
>>> daughter of Jose Trevino.
>>> According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that
>>> came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was
>>> born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.
>>> The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have
>>> to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --
>>> Esther A. Herold
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
>>>> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
>>>> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
>>>> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
>>>> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
>>>> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
>>>> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
>>>>> children of Diego Tevino and
>>>>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca
>>>>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
>>>>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
>>>>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
>>>>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
>>>>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
>>>>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino
>>>>> Fernandez
>>>>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
>>>>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
>>>>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Esther A. Herold
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------- Original message from rosa9972
>>>>> : --------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Linda and Joseph--
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the
>>>>>> Banuelos family.
>>>>>> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much
>>>>>> information
>>>>>> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll
>>>>>> email
>>>>>> you off
>>>>>> the group so we can exchange information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as
>>>>>> her 5th
>>>>>> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are
>>>>>> related and
>>>>>> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rosalinda
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Joseph Puentes
>>>>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
>>>>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>>>>>> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar
>>>>>> Jalisco
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are BaÃ±uelos and she
>>>>>> is a
>>>>>> Quesada. probably we'll tie into your Aunt's family (our cousins).
>>>>>> Rosalinda will know for sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> joseph
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joseph Puentes
>>>>>> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>>>>>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> longsjourney wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not familiar with the town of Huejucar Jalisco but my Aunt
>>>>>>> who's
>>>>>>> family is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> from there has asked if I could find anything on her families there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Her parents were Salvador Banuelos and Emma Madrid no dates but
>>>>>>> approx. 1900
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in Huejucar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salvadors parent Issac Banuelos and Teodora or Todora Flores abt
>>>>>>> 1875
>>>>>>> Teodora Flores's parents were Marcos Flores and Andrea Sandoval
>>>>>>> married 19 Feb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1867 in Huejucar
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Salvadors parents were Santos Banuelos and Leonides Quesada married
>>>>>>> 20 April
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1871 in Huejucar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've found children for these parents but no parents for Santos
>>>>>>> Banuelos or
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leonides Quesada. My Aunt was told that Santos father was Francisco
>>>>>> Banuelos
>>>>>> from Spain but I've found nothing to prove that. Is anyone working
>>>>>> any of these
>>>>>> lines from Huejucar Jalisco Mexico?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Linda in Everett
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Comment

I believe I have emailed John on this subject before and never received a response. John has printed
his genealogies in many spots. He has referenced some the genealogies in some places. If John is not willing to respond then one can only check his references. I believe John gets a lot of email.

I checked the film referenced in Leal's book and something seemed amis as it was a film on deceased indio in the 1700s and did not seem relevant to this subject.

Leal's book, sold by Borderlands Books does list Banuelos in the late 1500s 1600s.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

> why don't you all ask John Inclan to comment: fromgalveston@yahoo.com
>
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>
>
>
> eaherold@att.net wrote:
> > Marge,
> >
> > John Inclan references Guillermo Garmendia Leal's book on Nueva Galicia p.142.
> Guillermo in his book references two books, one in the Bancroft library, "A
> Guide to the Manuscripts of the Collections of Bancroft, Vol II Mexican
> Manuscripts Clave M-M1714" p 151. Then Guillermo also lists a film from the
> Family History Center in Salt Lake #0266637. Then there is another book
> "Biografias de Conquistadoews de Mexico de Guatamala" by Francisco Fernandez de
> Catsillo p. 59.
> >
> > I still hae not seen any proofs either way regarding Trevino's lineage only
> opinions. It is worth to try and check out the resources mentioned above.
> >
> > Esther
> > --
> > Esther A. Herold
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" :
> --------------
> >
> >
> >
> >> I'm interested in seeing your information, if you don't mind. Thanks.
> >> Marge:)
> >> On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:27 PM, juanita delgado wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2
> >>> generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.
> >>>
> >>> Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this
> >>> information already.
> >>>
> >>> eaherold@att.net wrote:
> >>> Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a
> >>> myth also. All I know that has been
> >>> verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there
> >>> and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same
> >>> family.
> >>>
> >>> Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the
> >>> connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned
> >>> a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan.
> >>> THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there
> >>> are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where
> >>> he has been posting the Trevino lineage.
> >>>
> >>> Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the
> >>> daughter of Jose Trevino.
> >>> According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that
> >>> came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was
> >>> born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.
> >>> The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have
> >>> to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> --
> >>> Esther A. Herold
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
> >>>> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
> >>>> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
> >>>> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
> >>>> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
> >>>> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
> >>>> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
> >>>>> children of Diego Tevino and
> >>>>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think Francisca
> >>>>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
> >>>>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
> >>>>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
> >>>>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
> >>>>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
> >>>>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino
> >>>>> Fernandez
> >>>>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
> >>>>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
> >>>>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Esther A. Herold
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------------- Original message from rosa9972
> >>>>> : --------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Linda and Joseph--
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes, Linda, your aunt is related to me and Joseph through the
> >>>>>> Banuelos family.
> >>>>>> I have her ancestry for some generations back. I collect as much
> >>>>>> information
> >>>>>> on the Banuelos and related families of Huejucar, Jalisco. I'll
> >>>>>> email
> >>>>>> you off
> >>>>>> the group so we can exchange information.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So far I have your aunt as my 3rd cousin once removed, and Joseph as
> >>>>>> her 5th
> >>>>>> cousin once removed. Almost all of the Banuelos from Huejucar are
> >>>>>> related and
> >>>>>> are from Rancho Las Bocas.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rosalinda
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Joseph Puentes
> >>>>>> Sent: Dec 1, 2006 6:22 PM
> >>>>>> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >>>>>> Cc: "Rosalinda M. Ruiz"
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos and Quesada in Huejucar
> >>>>>> Jalisco
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rosalinda. . .Rosalinda,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Looks like some more cousins. Rosalinda and I are Ba

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Comment

>
> Hi Marge, Esther, et al.

I am not researching this family and don't have any info on them. However,
I happen to have the book you cite below and thought you might be interested
on what's written on page 142 of the Garmendia Leal book cited below.

The title of the chapter is: Descendientes de Diego Temiño. The first
generation listed is Diego Temiño de Velasco (R: 1474), born at España. He
married Fracisca de Alcozer (R: 1475) at España. Francisca, born at
España. Then, it goes on to list five children of this couple: Francisca,
Alonso, Baltazar, Diego and Mariana. VECINDAD: Fueron vecinos de Sevilla,
salen con sus hijos de España el 13 Junio de 1538 hacia Cartagena, pasan por
Mexico y llegan a Guadalajara, Jal. aprox. en 1543/44. Below that, is the
citation to the Bancroft Library manuscript Esther cites.

Maria E. Cortez

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>
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> Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:28:06 +0000
> From: eaherold@att.net
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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>
> Marge,
>
> John Inclan references Guillermo Garmendia Leal's book on Nueva Galicia
> p.142. Guillermo in his book references two books, one in the Bancroft
> library, "A Guide to the Manuscripts of the Collections of Bancroft, Vol II
> Mexican Manuscripts Clave M-M1714" p 151. Then Guillermo also lists a film
> from the Family History Center in Salt Lake #0266637. Then there is another
> book "Biografias de Conquistadoews de Mexico de Guatamala" by Francisco
> Fernandez de Catsillo p. 59.
>
> I still hae not seen any proofs either way regarding Trevino's lineage
> only opinions. It is worth to try and check out the resources mentioned
> above.
>
> Esther
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" :
> --------------
>
>
> > I'm interested in seeing your information, if you don't mind. Thanks.
> > Marge:)
> > On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:27 PM, juanita delgado wrote:
> >
> > > my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2
> > > generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.
> > >
> > > Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this
> > > information already.
> > >
> > > eaherold@att.net wrote:
> > > Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a
> > > myth also. All I know that has been
> > > verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there
> > > and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same
> > > family.
> > >
> > > Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the
> > > connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned
> > > a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan.
> > > THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there
> > > are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where
> > > he has been posting the Trevino lineage.
> > >
> > > Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the
> > > daughter of Jose Trevino.
> > > According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that
> > > came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was
> > > born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.
> > > The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have
> > > to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > --
> > > Esther A. Herold
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------
> > >
> > >
> > >> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
> > >> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
> > >> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
> > >> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
> > >> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
> > >> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
> > >> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
> > >>> children of Diego Tevino and
> > >>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think
> Francisca
> > >>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
> > >>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
> > >>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
> > >>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
> > >>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
> > >>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino
> > >>> Fernandez
> > >>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
> > >>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
> > >>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
> > >>> --
> > >>> Esther A. Herold
> > >>>
>

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Comment

on DIEGO de TREVINO and FRANCISCA ALCOZER and their children:

The book 'ORIGINS of the SURNAMES GARZA (de la) and TREVINO in NUEVO LEON",
by TOMAS M. CUEVAS, and translated by EDNA BROWN.can be found in the de ESCANDON RESEARCH ROOM at the BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS, public library.

That is where I got a lotttt of information on the names, the book includes several genealogies.

juanaita g. delgado

P.S. IF THERE IS SOME INFORMATION YOU WISH ME TO LOOK UP FOR YOU, I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO IT.

>
> Hi Marge, Esther, et al.

Maria E. Cortez

Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

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The book does not list the parents of Diego Trevino or Francisca ALocoer.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from juanita delgado : --------------

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hello,
esther, you are correct in that the book does not list the parents of DIEGO de TREVINO, or FRANCISCA
ALCOZER, but I have them in my ancestry that was printed by a member of SAGA, actually he is coordinator or something of the group.I will send what I have, several generations back from Diego, and only 1 from
FRANCISCA. I have the info at home and I am the library where I volunteer.

juanita g. delgado

eaherold@att.net wrote:
The book does not list the parents of Diego Trevino or Francisca ALocoer.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from juanita delgado : --------------

> on DIEGO de TREVINO and FRANCISCA ALCOZER and their children:
>
> The book 'ORIGINS of the SURNAMES GARZA (de la) and TREVINO in NUEVO LEON",
> by TOMAS M. CUEVAS, and translated by EDNA BROWN.can be found in the de
> ESCANDON RESEARCH ROOM at the BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS, public library.
>
> That is where I got a lotttt of information on the names, the book includes
> several genealogies.
>
> juanaita g. delgado
>
> P.S. IF THERE IS SOME INFORMATION YOU WISH ME TO LOOK UP FOR YOU, I WILL BE
> HAPPY TO DO IT.
>
>
> >
> > Hi Marge, Esther, et al.
>
>
> I am not researching this family and don't have any info on them. However,
> I happen to have the book you cite below and thought you might be interested
> on what's written on page 142 of the Garmendia Leal book cited below.
>
> The title of the chapter is: Descendientes de Diego Temiño. The first
> generation listed is Diego Temiño de Velasco (R: 1474), born at España. He
> married Fracisca de Alcozer (R: 1475) at España. Francisca, born at
> España. Then, it goes on to list five children of this couple: Francisca,
> Alonso, Baltazar, Diego and Mariana. VECINDAD: Fueron vecinos de Sevilla,
> salen con sus hijos de España el 13 Junio de 1538 hacia Cartagena, pasan por
> Mexico y llegan a Guadalajara, Jal. aprox. en 1543/44. Below that, is the
> citation to the Bancroft Library manuscript Esther cites.
>
> Maria E. Cortez
>
>
>
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 21
> > Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2006 17:28:06 +0000
> > From: eaherold@att.net
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <
> > 120920061728.9860.457AF2250005CDF80000268421602810600B04019D0A080E0A@at…
> > >
> >
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > Marge,
> >
> > John Inclan references Guillermo Garmendia Leal's book on Nueva Galicia
> > p.142. Guillermo in his book references two books, one in the Bancroft
> > library, "A Guide to the Manuscripts of the Collections of Bancroft, Vol II
> > Mexican Manuscripts Clave M-M1714" p 151. Then Guillermo also lists a film
> > from the Family History Center in Salt Lake #0266637. Then there is another
> > book "Biografias de Conquistadoews de Mexico de Guatamala" by Francisco
> > Fernandez de Catsillo p. 59.
> >
> > I still hae not seen any proofs either way regarding Trevino's lineage
> > only opinions. It is worth to try and check out the resources mentioned
> > above.
> >
> > Esther
> > --
> > Esther A. Herold
> >
> >
> > -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" :
> > --------------
> >
> >
> > > I'm interested in seeing your information, if you don't mind. Thanks.
> > > Marge:)
> > > On Dec 8, 2006, at 12:27 PM, juanita delgado wrote:
> > >
> > > > my family tree traces DIEGO de TREVINO, back 7. yes, 7 generations 2
> > > > generations before 1384.All the generations have a surname of VELASC0.
> > > >
> > > > Just thought it might interest you, though you might have this
> > > > information already.
> > > >
> > > > eaherold@att.net wrote:
> > > > Again my source is John Inclan. I am inclined to believe that is a
> > > > myth also. All I know that has been
> > > > verified from records in Jalisco is that Francisca Alcocer died there
> > > > and that the Banuelos families and the Trevinos are part of the same
> > > > family.
> > > >
> > > > Marge, could you share your information that convinced you that the
> > > > connection to Bernardino Fernandez Velasco is a myth? Inclan mentioned
> > > > a lot of books which I have been tr ying to get on interlibrary loan.
> > > > THese books deal with early colonists in Mexico.I still think there
> > > > are worthwhile looking at. He mentioned books at various sites where
> > > > he has been posting the Trevino lineage.
> > > >
> > > > Also many people list Lenor Ayala as the mother of Ana Trevino the
> > > > daughter of Jose Trevino.
> > > > According to a recent paper by the archivist of General Escobedo that
> > > > came out earlier in the year, Ana Trevino was illegitimate. She was
> > > > born in Zacatecas. There is no mention of who her mother really is.
> > > > The article is posted on the General Escobedo site. This means I have
> > > > to continue my search as I am also descended from the Saens.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > --
> > > > Esther A. Herold
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------------- Original message from "M. Vallazza" : --------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
> > > >> Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
> > > >> for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
> > > >> and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
> > > >> Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
> > > >> Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
> > > >> On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Are the Banauelos related tothe Trevinos way back in the 1500s? Some
> > > >>> children of Diego Tevino and
> > > >>> Francisca Alcocer took Trevino and others Banuelos? I think
> > Francisca
> > > >>> Alcocer died in Guadalajara in mid 1500s. SOme of her sons moved to
> > > >>> Zacatecas city. Diego Trevino, the son for one. Children of
> > > >>> DIego Trevino the son, Jose Trevino and his wife Lenor Ayala for one
> > > >>> moved on to Monterrey around 1600. I am looking for veriffication of
> > > >>> parentage of Diego Trevino, Sr and his wife Francisca Alcocer.
> > > >>> John Inclan claims Diego Trevino decends from the Bernardino
> > > >>> Fernandez
> > > >>> Velasco, 3rd count Haro.
> > > >>> Francisca Alcocer is said to descend from Henery II and Eleanor of
> > > >>> Acquitiane through daughter Eleanor.
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Esther A. Herold
> > > >>>
> >

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HELLO,

This is what I have on DIEGO TREVINO OR DIEGO VELASCO TREVINO:

HERE GOES:

I will start from about the 6th generation from him:

SANCHO SANCHEZ VELASCO married SANCHA CARRILLO; their son was
FERNAN SANCHEZ VELASCO, who married JUANA CASTANEDA, daughter of DIEGO GOMEZ
CASTANEDA and JUANA GUZMAN. Their son was

PEDRO VELASCO, who died in 1384, he married MARIA SARMIENTO. Their son was:
JUAN VELASCO, who married MARIA SOLIER. Their sons were:
FERNANDO and PEDRO FERNANDEZ VELASCO, who died in 1470. PEDRO married BEATRIZ
MANRIQUE LARA, daughter of PEDRO MANRIQUE LARA and LEONOR CASTILLA.. PEDRO
MANRIQUE LARA was born in 1381 and died in 1440. LEONOR CASTILLA'S parents were
FADRIQUE CASTILLA and LEONOR ALBURQUERQUE.

PEDRO FERNANDEZ VELASCO and BEATRIZ MANRIQUE LARA;S sons were:
PEDRO FERNANDEZ VELASCO and FRANCISCO VELASCO, who married MARIA MENDOZA.

FRANCISCO VELASCO and MARIA MENDOZA'S children were:
FRANCISCO FDZ. VELASCO and BERNARDINO FERNANDEZ VELASCO, who married 1. MARIA
ENRIQUEZ SARMIENTO. Their childd was

DIEGO VELASCO TREVINO, born in SPAIN and married MARIA FRANCISCA ALCOZER, daughter of
HERNANDO BANUELOS and BEATRIZ ISABEL ALCOZER. BEATRIZ' parents were JUAN DIAZ
ALCOZER and MARIA TELLEZ.

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE.

JUANITA G. DELGADO

eaherold@att.net wrote:
The book does not list the parents of Diego Trevino or Francisca ALocoer.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from juanita delgado : --------------

Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

Comment

This is the genealogy that is in question. Was this information from John Inclan's web site? What is the original source for the information and what did the original source say? I know this information is not in the Fundadores of Nueva Galicia. Mr Garemendia Leal I believe research the archives in Jalisco.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from juanita delgado : --------------

> HELLO,
>
> This is what I have on DIEGO TREVINO OR DIEGO VELASCO TREVINO:
>
> HERE GOES:
>
> I will start from about the 6th generation from him:
>
> SANCHO SANCHEZ VELASCO married SANCHA CARRILLO; their son was
> FERNAN SANCHEZ VELASCO, who married JUANA CASTANEDA, daughter of DIEGO
> GOMEZ
> CASTANEDA and JUANA GUZMAN. Their son was
>
> PEDRO VELASCO, who died in 1384, he married MARIA SARMIENTO. Their son
> was:
> JUAN VELASCO, who married MARIA SOLIER. Their sons were:
> FERNANDO and PEDRO FERNANDEZ VELASCO, who died in 1470. PEDRO
> married BEATRIZ
> MANRIQUE LARA, daughter of PEDRO MANRIQUE LARA and LEONOR CASTILLA..
> PEDRO
> MANRIQUE LARA was born in 1381 and died in 1440. LEONOR CASTILLA'S
> parents were
> FADRIQUE CASTILLA and LEONOR ALBURQUERQUE.
>
> PEDRO FERNANDEZ VELASCO and BEATRIZ MANRIQUE LARA;S sons were:
> PEDRO FERNANDEZ VELASCO and FRANCISCO VELASCO, who married MARIA
> MENDOZA.
>
> FRANCISCO VELASCO and MARIA MENDOZA'S children were:
> FRANCISCO FDZ. VELASCO and BERNARDINO FERNANDEZ VELASCO, who married
> 1. MARIA
> ENRIQUEZ SARMIENTO. Their childd was
>
> DIEGO VELASCO TREVINO, born in SPAIN and married MARIA FRANCISCA
> ALCOZER, daughter of
> HERNANDO BANUELOS and BEATRIZ ISABEL ALCOZER. BEATRIZ' parents were
> JUAN DIAZ
> ALCOZER and MARIA TELLEZ.
>
> THIS IS WHAT I HAVE.
>
> JUANITA G. DELGADO
>
>
> eaherold@att.net wrote:
> The book does not list the parents of Diego Trevino or Francisca ALocoer.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
>
> -------------- Original message from juanita delgado : --------------
>
>
> > on DIEGO de TREVINO and FRANCISCA ALCOZER and their children:
> >
> > The book 'ORIGINS of the SURNAMES GARZA (de la) and TREVINO in NUEVO LEON",
> > by TOMAS M. CUEVAS, and translated by EDNA BROWN.can be found in the de
> > ESCANDON RESEARCH ROOM at the BROWNSVILLE, TEXAS, public library.
> >
> > That is where I got a lotttt of information on the names, the book includes
> > several genealogies.
> >
> > juanaita g. delgado
> >
> > P.S. IF THERE IS SOME INFORMATION YOU WISH ME TO LOOK UP FOR YOU, I WILL BE
> > HAPPY TO DO IT.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Marge, Esther, et al.
> >
> >
> > I am not researching this family and don't have any info on them. However,
> > I happen to have the book you cite below and thought you might be interested
> > on what's written on page 142 of the Garmendia Leal book cited below.
> >
> > The title of the chapter is: Descendientes de Diego Temi

Banuelos Quesada in Huejucar Jalisco

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Rosalinda, can you contact me at longsjourney@yahoo.com I have contacted my Aunt Cecilia Virginia Banuelos and would like to share what she said with you.. at your convenience.. Also at what point in the family history are you related to her? She's curious about you and your knowledge abt her and her siblings. She also said she's been contacted by a De Leon whos lineage goes to Petra Flores, sister of Teodora Flores, wife of unknown De Leon. The information he gave her is different from yours. He has Teodora's mother a Gutierrez so my Aunt Virg is very confused at this point..

thanks, Linda in Everett

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Hello,
in my family tree I have DIEGO VELASCO TREVINO descended from BERNARDIN0 FDZ. V. and
his wife , FRANCISCA ALCOZER, from HERNAND BANUELOS and BEATRIZ I. ALCOZER. DIEGO and FRANCISCA are the parents of DIEGO de TREVINO, who married BEATRIZ de QUINTANILLA, in 1557, in
D.F. BeatriZ was born in 1539, in D.F. FRANCISCA ALCOZER was born in SPAIN in 1500. It is thought that all of their children were born in SEVILLA, SPAIN. NOW, I see where the parentage of DIEGO is in question.

JUANITA G. DELGADO

"M. Vallazza" wrote:
It's a myth that Diego Trevino is descended from Bernardino Fernandez
Velasco. I once thought that he was, too! But when I went searching
for verification, it appears that he isn't. I'm a descendant of Diego
and Francisca so I was interested. Where did you get your info about
Francisca Alcocer being descended from Henry II and Eleanor of
Aquitaine? I'd love to know. Marge :)
On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:32 AM, eaherold@att.net wrote:

Ojo de Agua all over the place

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Maureen,

I think that most every municipio had an Ojo de Agua and maybe even several Ojos de Agua so it may be a hard thing to pinpoint. Also don't put too much emphasis on Ojo de Agua because people moved around from one rancho to another. For my grandfather I have seen about 5 different names of different ranchos when his children were born. One would say originario del Caquiste another would say originario de La Noche Buena another El Salitre and another would say Rancho Las Pilas and so on. According to mom and my aunts and uncles he did not live in all of these and mostly lived in El Rancho del Caquiste and was born in El Salitre.

new file

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here is the begining of my search please check it out maybe some of these names are familiar, See at http//wwwnuestroranchos.com/node/15276

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Raigosa/Raygosa Family

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Just an FYI, since I too am searching for the Raigosa Family, be sure to use these different spelling variations in order to find records: Raigosa, Raygosa, Raigoza, and Raygoza.

Also I found some siblings to your Guillermina they might help you find her:

TIMOTEA RAYGOSA HARO
Female
Event(s):
Christening: 24 AUG 1870 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: CLEMENTE RAYGOSA
Mother: OCTAVIANA DE HARO
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C600844 1850 - 1875 0443990

Tomasa Raygosa
Female
Event(s):
Christening: 21 SEP 1884 Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: Clemente Raygosa
Mother: Octaviana de Haro
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
I017276

Here is another that is very close...

TERESA RODRIGUES HARO
Female
Event(s):
Christening: 23 OCT 1874 Santo Thomas De Momax, Momax, Zacatecas, Mexico
Parents:
Father: CLEMENTE RODRIGUES
Mother: OCTAVIANA DE HARO
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C600844 1850 - 1875 0443990

The Rodrigues could be a 'mistake' You could try ordering the records, to see if it lists grandparents, etc...

Good luck on your search,
Angie Godina

Raigosa/Raygosa Family

Comment

angie thanx for the info. In that generation i have relatives from both my parents with the Raigosa last name.

aajay1073 wrote:
Just an FYI, since I too am searching for the Raigosa Family, be sure to use these different spelling variations in order to find records: Raigosa, Raygosa, Raigoza, and Raygoza.

Also I found some siblings to your Guillermina they might help you find her:

Here is another that is very close...

The Rodrigues could be a 'mistake' You could try ordering the records, to see if it lists grandparents, etc...

Good luck on your search,
Angie Godina

new file

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the url is:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15276

agustin mota wrote:
> here is the begining of my search please check it out maybe some of these names are familiar, See at http//wwwnuestroranchos.com/node/15276
>
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new file

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JOSEPH,

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

HELP, JOSEPH, I KEEP BEING DENIED ACCESS TO GENEALOGY MEMEBERS FILES.
WHAT DO I DO?

Joseph Puentes wrote:
the url is:

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15276

Mota.doc

Comment

...Agustin, just wanted to let you know that one of your files (Mota.doc) is not a readable file. However, the other one looks good. We all have to start somwhere. Good luck on your research...

Smiley :-))

Mota.doc

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okay I think the file is okay now. hopefully.

joseph

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smileysway2 wrote:
> ...Agustin, just wanted to let you know that one of your files (Mota.doc) is not a readable file. However, the other one looks good. We all have to start somwhere. Good luck on your research...
>
>
> Smiley :-))

Mota.doc

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Thank you joseph for your help. One of the surnames that i started looking for was Finado , well finado after a name means deceased so i wont be looking for him any more.

Joseph Puentes wrote: okay I think the file is okay now. hopefully.

joseph

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Out of Town/Happy New Years

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Figen and I are headed out of town for First Night: Williamsburg, VA.

I'll catch you in 2007 have a safe but joyful celebration.

joseph

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Out of Town/Happy New Years

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I am also going out of town....Las Vegas! Happy New Year to all and hope we find all of our elusive ancestors this coming year! Happy New Year and good Health to all!

Mickey

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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Out of Town/Happy New Years

Figen and I are headed out of town for First Night: Williamsburg, VA.

I'll catch you in 2007 have a safe but joyful celebration.

joseph

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Hi, My name is Raul Luna of Rialto, California. I have been working on my genealogy for several years now. My primary interest has been Juchipila, Zacatecas, where my father, David Hernandez Luna, was born at El Rancho de Vallecitos, in 1905. Most of his ancestors were born in Juchipila, and it is the location where I have found most of the family information. Moyahua, which is near by, is also another place where relatives have come from. My grandfather, Atanacio Robles Luna, died during the Revolution War of 1909 while assisting in burying their fellow dead soldiers. Atanacio contracted a disease while doing this, and was buried with his fellow soldiers. The location is not quite clear. The Luna family in Juchipila is very, very, large..all grandfathers came from large families. Recently, I found a gold mine of informatin on gggrandfather, Pedro Gonzales Robles. Surnames that I am searching for from Juchipila are: Luna, Estrada, Rodriquez, Lamas,Robles, Flores,Esparza, & Reinoso

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Cardenas

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Raul, welcome to the group.

What are the Cardenas names you are looking for? I can trace my Cardenas family back to early 1700's in Tlatenango, Zacatecas. Take a look at my files if you are interested.

Thanks,
Angie Godina

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Welcome Raul,

the location of your representative genealogy is:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15417

joseph

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Raul Luna wrote:
> Hi, My name is Raul Luna of Rialto, California. I have been working on my genealogy for several years now. My primary interest has been Juchipila, Zacatecas, where my father, David Hernandez Luna, was born at El Rancho de Vallecitos, in 1905. Most of his ancestors were born in Juchipila, and it is the location where I have found most of the family information. Moyahua, which is near by, is also another place where relatives have come from. My grandfather, Atanacio Robles Luna, died during the Revolution War of 1909 while assisting in burying their fellow dead soldiers. Atanacio contracted a disease while doing this, and was buried with his fellow soldiers. The location is not quite clear. The Luna family in Juchipila is very, very, large..all grandfathers came from large families. Recently, I found a gold mine of informatin on gggrandfather, Pedro Gonzales Robles. Surnames that I am searching for from Juchipila are: Luna, Estrada, Rodriquez, Lamas,Robles, Flores,Esparza, &
Re
> inoso (R
> eynoso).
> My mother's side of the family, the Cristernas, came from Jerez, Zacactecas. Athough the Cristernas were from Jerez, they moved to Guanacevi, Durango, where my mother and her sister were born. Some surnames connected to the Cristernas are Acuna, Lopez, Avila, Medina, Castanon, and Cardenas.
> I noticed that Linda Castanon Long also belongs to this group. Well, Linda and I have a connection with our Castanon family. My grandfather's sister, Margarita, married Librado Castanon....one of Linda's relatives.
> I have been married for 43 years, have 3 adult children, 4 grandchildren. I am retired from the Postal Service after 31 years, enjoy coaching girls softball, but genealogy is my biggest hobby and keeps me well occupied.
> I have over 1200 names in my Family Tree, and I have submitted the info to the Family Tree Maker Organization, though not all the info I have submitted shows up.

Israel Cavazos Garza

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Welester,

If you are in Monterrey and know Israel Cavazos Garza, could you do me a favor? Israel lives in Ciudad de Guadalupe I believe? He wrote book on the ciudad. Israel devotes a chaper in the book to El Tierra Dura in San Rafael I bielieve. The property belonged to the Sepulveda family. Israel mentions the will of Vicente SEpulveda Garza made in 1818. Vicente Sepulveda is my great great great grandfather.My grandfather Arturo Ayala y Robles was the son of Yldefonso Ayala y Spulveda and Porfiria Robles y Rivas and was born in Saltillo in 1868. His cousin was Vito Alessio RObles. Yldefonso Ayala was the son of Ramon Ayala and Refugia Sepulveda y Garza and born 1837 in Monterrey. Refugia was the daughter of Vicente Sepulveda y Garza and his second wife Maria Josefa Garza y Yslas a nd born in 1804 in Guadalupe Vicente Sepulveda was baptized in 1745 in Salinas Victoria. I would dearly like to have a copy or translation of the will. COuld you talk to him about getting a copy

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Israel Cavazos Garza

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Hiya Cuz ,

Sure , I will try to get in touch with Don Israel and ask him on the info that he has , I'm not sure but he may want a little dinero but like I said I will ask him . There are a group of people here that I can also ask one of them is Arq. Jose Garza Carrillo he has been helping me quite a bit .
Give me til after the new year when the dust settles and I will venture out for you .

My very best to you and your family ,

Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 05:34:24 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Israel Cavazos Garza> > Welester,> > If you are in Monterrey and know Israel Cavazos Garza, could you do me a favor? Israel lives in Ciudad de Guadalupe I believe? He wrote book on the ciudad. Israel devotes a chaper in the book to El Tierra Dura in San Rafael I bielieve. The property belonged to the Sepulveda family. Israel mentions the will of Vicente SEpulveda Garza made in 1818. Vicente Sepulveda is my great great great grandfather.My grandfather Arturo Ayala y Robles was the son of Yldefonso Ayala y Spulveda and Porfiria Robles y Rivas and was born in Saltillo in 1868. His cousin was Vito Alessio RObles. Yldefonso Ayala was the son of Ramon Ayala and Refugia Sepulveda y Garza and born 1837 in Monterrey. Refugia was the daughter of Vicente Sepulveda y Garza and his second wife Maria Josefa Garza y Yslas a nd born in 1804 in Guadalupe Vicente Sepulveda was baptized in 1745 in Salinas Victoria. I would dearly like to have a copy or translation of the will. COuld you talk to him about getting a copy of> the w> ill? Also I am stuck on Maria Josefa Garza' father. I know his name was Joaquin Garza. I don't know the genealogy of Joaquin Garza. I know he married Antonia Margarita Yslas y Palacios f rom Lampazos. Anything to help me out with Joaquin Garza would be nice. I guess that is a big wish list.> > Welester, I don't know if you have time for this but let me know if you can help or not. I would appreciate anything.> > > Thanks bvery much,> Esther> --> Esther A. Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Lester Alvarado : -------------- > > > > Hi Alicia , > > > > I'm Welester and I am currently living in Monterrey , Mexico however I am > > American and was born and raised in Los Angeles , Calif. and up until I moved to > > Monterrey I lived in Marina del Rey , Ca. > > I started my family research when I was 9 yrs. old I say this because it started > > with my name ( Welester ) growing up in L.A. was not easy for a little mexican > > boy in East L.A. at first til I was in the 7th grade . All the kids would make > > fun of me cuz name wasn't Paul , Tommy , George or whatever and sometimes had to > > fight because of my name so, one day I asked my dad whom I called POP " Where > > did my name come from " and as fast as I asked him , he snapped back at me and > > said " WHY DON'T YOU LIKE IT ! " I sunk back into my seat and said " yea I like > > it " and that was that ! > > Believe it or not this is what made my want to learn more about the family . > > > > Now , to get to some of your questions on , is the grass greener on the other > > side . I went to the Mormon church on Santa Monica Blvd. in L.A. about 27 yrs > > ago and asked for help , unfortunately in those days they were not as eager as > > they are today to help a non member of the church so they sent me off to the > > micro-film room and showed me the cabinet of films and basically said how bout . > > Didn't get very far and became discouraged and left . > > Years later I tinkered some more but still no luck , I asked Pop about some > > things but he always seemed not to remember . I asked my aunt , his sister and > > she always painted a real sweet , beautiful picture in my mind about how it used > > to be , nothing else . > > Now , 5 yrs. ago I sold one of my two companies and decided that I would go to > > Monterrey , Mexico for one year and quickly do all my family research , thinking > > , since I will be in Monterrey and Pop is from there it should be a breeze , > > right ... WRONG ! Guess again . > > There are files in the archives that are damaged beyond repair , people who > > outright refuse to deal with you because to them you're still a gringo . > > > > Grant you there are many many very good people , it just seems that the meanies > > all work for the goverment or the church . I've had to adjust alot and now know > > that most of it is Culture shock . Once you recognize it you can manage it much > > easier . I have been helped by some very nice people and I have had problems > > with others . > > I visited the Mormon church here and asked for help , they were very helpful and > > still are , I think they consider me a potential future member of the church ;-) > > Once they showed my how to navigate the familysearch web sight , things began to > > happen . I was befriended by Gregorio who is the person in charge of helping the > > stakes or Family History Centers to get thier genealogy centers moving . I > > assist him every once in awhile to these centers and do what I can to teach the > > members how to start thiere PAF's and in return I get help from them on my > > research . > > I don't have much experience with other groups , I have heard about some but > > from my own experience NuestrosRanchos seems to me to be very professional and > > detailed for the serious genealogist . I admire Joseph and respect him very much > > for having this sight for people like me and all the others . > > I kinda already answered your second question on , is it easier here or there > > but just incase I wasn't clear I would say no , it's not that much easier the > > people here are like the ones back home , pretty much not interested in thiere > > genealogy . I come from a family of 9 , six boys and three girls and I'm the > > only one interested in the search . I keep everybody posted on new finds and > > usually get responses like hmmm that's nice , HEY how bout them Lakers . > > I am in no way saying not to come and visit the places of your ancestors by any > > means , I'm just saying it's nice here there are some drawbacks but more good > > than bad . I have had the honor of visiting Zacatecas , Zacatecas but > > unfortunately I was unable to do any research there. I plan on going back there > > this coming new year and staying a few days . > > > > I have met several historians here like Isarel Cavazos , Arq. Jose Garza > > Carrillo , Gregorio Martinez and several others who have been helpful and have > > invited me to some of their meetings . Things are looking up here and one of the > > biggest things to have happened to me is to become a member of the > > NuestrosRanchos group from the other side , go figure I had to come to Mexico to > > become a member of a group from the states to advance in my search for my family > > , you gotta love it ! > > > > If anyone in the group is ever in Monterrey , PLEASE look me up , it would be a > > pleasure and an honor to meet you and to help you any way I can . > > > > Your friend from the other DOWN UNDER , > > Welester > > > > P.S. My grandfather was Carrillo from Chihuahua , Juarez . Arq.Jose Garza > > Carrillo says that two Carrillo brothers' came from Zacatecas , one went toward > > Nuevo Leon and the other to Chihuahua . I'm trying to connect those dots as well > > . > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:09:57 -0800> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To: > > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bienvenido Juan> > > > Juan,> > Bienvenido a Nuestros Ranchos!! Desde que Arturo tomo lo que era > > anteriormente el Grupo de Yahoo llamado "Ranchos" y lo convirtio en lo que hoy > > es "Nuestros Ranchos" han ingresado mas integrantes Mexicanos, o sea que son > > residentes de Mexico. He tenido la curiosidad de preguntar el porque se han > > interesado mas gentes de Mexico en ingresar a un grupo que funciona mas de 75% > > en ingles? Tambien he querido preguntar si es que existe un grupo semejante > > dentro de Mexico? Si es que existe, sera posible que los que andamos perdidos > > por el USA podriamos ser miembros de tal grupo?> > Ahora otra pregunta a todos > > los que viven en Mexico, creen ustedes que porque viven en Mexico se les > > facilita la busqueda de sus ancestros? Tienen mas recursos en cuestion de los > > Archivos Parroquiales y registros civiles o usan principalmente los archivos > > microfilmados de La Iglesia de Los Mormones? Que ventaja tienen los residentes > > Mexicanos que no tienen los que viven fuera de Mexico? Espero que no les moleste > > que haga semejantes preguntas y que no crean que es falta de respeto porque no > > es mi intencion. Es que he pensado que algun dia me gustaria pasar un par de > > meses en Mexico en mi tierra natal para dedicarme a los estudios genealogicos y > > no se si el esfuerzo seria valioso o no.> > Mi nombre es Alicia Carrillo y como > > has de saber en Los Estados Unidos Americanos la mujer deja su apellido para > > tomar el de su esposo. Carrillo es el apellido de mi esposo. Mi nombre de > > nacimiento es Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz y hasta hoy la mayoria de mis > > ancestros provienen de Nochistlan Zacatecas, Jalpa Zacatecas y Pabellon Rincon > > de Romos Aguascalientes y sus alrededores mas cercanos. Si es que creen que sea > > fructifero el estar en Mexico para hacer los estudios en Mexico, quizas > > intentaremos pasar unos meses durante el verano y visitar los archivos de dichos > > pueblos o ciudades.> > Muchas Gracias y disculpe mi gramatica en español. Aunque > > naci en Mexico, vivo en San José, Calif desde le edad de dos años. Nunca estudie > > el español y lo hablo y escribo malamente pero hago el intento, salga como > > salga.> > Atentamente,> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo> > > > > > > ----- > > Original Message ----> From: Juan Luis Gomez > To: > > research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:33:42 PM> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Presentarme al grupo> > > Agradezco al grupo por > > aceptarme participar en nuestros ranchos; espero poder entender las reglas del > > grupo y aprender como puedo participar. > Muchas gracias. > Juan Luis Gomez> > > > __________________________________________________> Correo Yahoo!> Espacio para > > todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > Regístrate ya - > > http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros > > Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Try amazing new 3D maps > > http://maps.live.com/?wip=51 > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi Alicia ,

I'm Welester and I am currently living in Monterrey , Mexico however I am American and was born and raised in Los Angeles , Calif. and up until I moved to Monterrey I lived in Marina del Rey , Ca.

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Greetings Lester and Happy New Year,
Your message arrives in perfect timing! My research locally through FHC films seems to be bearing no fruit for me. The extent of my research can be found in our members genealogy--not much! Like you, no one in my family is or was interested in genealogy and those that I might have been able to interview for information have all long passed, (including my parents) leaving absolutely no documentation, not even pictures of their siblings. I have no dates, only names and (supposed)places. I say supposed, because not even my own parents' and siblings' birth documentation from Mexico is not accurate (I was born in SA,TX). The entire family's birthplaces were amended to indicate birth in Monterrey, in order to facilitate immigration to the US at the time. That much I definitely know.
Since I've hit a brick wall here, what I am considering doing is going down to Zacatecas,Aguascalientes, and Jalisco this summer and research there for a couple of weeks. Being middle aged and single, I'd like to make the most of my time there. I'd like to know what I can do here in preparation for my visit and to facilitate my research. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance and have a very happy new year. Sincerely, Alice B. Blake
--- hombrepi@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Lester Alvarado
To:
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alicia Carrillo
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:03:23 +0000

Hi Alicia ,

I'm Welester and I am currently living in Monterrey , Mexico however I am American and was born and raised in Los Angeles , Calif. and up until I moved to Monterrey I lived in Marina del Rey , Ca.
I started my family research when I was 9 yrs. old I say this because it started with my name ( Welester ) growing up in L.A. was not easy for a little mexican boy in East L.A. at first til I was in the 7th grade . All the kids would make fun of me cuz name wasn't Paul , Tommy , George or whatever and sometimes had to fight because of my name so, one day I asked my dad whom I called POP " Where did my name come from " and as fast as I asked him , he snapped back at me and said " WHY DON'T YOU LIKE IT ! " I sunk back into my seat and said " yea I like it " and that was that !
Believe it or not this is what made my want to learn more about the family .

Now , to get to some of your questions on , is the grass greener on the other side . I went to the Mormon church on Santa Monica Blvd. in L.A. about 27 yrs ago and asked for help , unfortunately in those days they were not as eager as they are today to help a non member of the church so they sent me off to the micro-film room and showed me the cabinet of films and basically said how bout . Didn't get very far and became discouraged and left .
Years later I tinkered some more but still no luck , I asked Pop about some things but he always seemed not to remember . I asked my aunt , his sister and she always painted a real sweet , beautiful picture in my mind about how it used to be , nothing else .
Now , 5 yrs. ago I sold one of my two companies and decided that I would go to Monterrey , Mexico for one year and quickly do all my family research , thinking , since I will be in Monterrey and Pop is from there it should be a breeze , right ... WRONG ! Guess again .
There are files in the archives that are damaged beyond repair , people who outright refuse to deal with you because to them you're still a gringo .

Grant you there are many many very good people , it just seems that the meanies all work for the goverment or the church . I've had to adjust alot and now know that most of it is Culture shock . Once you recognize it you can manage it much easier . I have been helped by some very nice people and I have had problems with others .
I visited the Mormon church here and asked for help , they were very helpful and still are , I think they consider me a potential future member of the church ;-)
Once they showed my how to navigate the familysearch web sight , things began to happen . I was befriended by Gregorio who is the person in charge of helping the stakes or Family History Centers to get thier genealogy centers moving . I assist him every once in awhile to these centers and do what I can to teach the members how to start thiere PAF's and in return I get help from them on my research .
I don't have much experience with other groups , I have heard about some but from my own experience NuestrosRanchos seems to me to be very professional and detailed for the serious genealogist . I admire Joseph and respect him very much for having this sight for people like me and all the others .
I kinda already answered your second question on , is it easier here or there but just incase I wasn't clear I would say no , it's not that much easier the people here are like the ones back home , pretty much not interested in thiere genealogy . I come from a family of 9 , six boys and three girls and I'm the only one interested in the search . I keep everybody posted on new finds and usually get responses like hmmm that's nice , HEY how bout them Lakers .
I am in no way saying not to come and visit the places of your ancestors by any means , I'm just saying it's nice here there are some drawbacks but more good than bad . I have had the honor of visiting Zacatecas , Zacatecas but unfortunately I was unable to do any research there. I plan on going back there this coming new year and staying a few days .

I have met several historians here like Isarel Cavazos , Arq. Jose Garza Carrillo , Gregorio Martinez and several others who have been helpful and have invited me to some of their meetings . Things are looking up here and one of the biggest things to have happened to me is to become a member of the NuestrosRanchos group from the other side , go figure I had to come to Mexico to become a member of a group from the states to advance in my search for my family , you gotta love it !

If anyone in the group is ever in Monterrey , PLEASE look me up , it would be a pleasure and an honor to meet you and to help you any way I can .

Your friend from the other DOWN UNDER ,
Welester

P.S. My grandfather was Carrillo from Chihuahua , Juarez . Arq.Jose Garza Carrillo says that two Carrillo brothers' came from Zacatecas , one went toward Nuevo Leon and the other to Chihuahua . I'm trying to connect those dots as well .

> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:09:57 -0800> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bienvenido Juan> > Juan,> > Bienvenido a Nuestros Ranchos!! Desde que Arturo tomo lo que era anteriormente el Grupo de Yahoo llamado "Ranchos" y lo convirtio en lo que hoy es "Nuestros Ranchos" han ingresado mas integrantes Mexicanos, o sea que son residentes de Mexico. He tenido la curiosidad de preguntar el porque se han interesado mas gentes de Mexico en ingresar a un grupo que funciona mas de 75% en ingles? Tambien he querido preguntar si es que existe un grupo semejante dentro de Mexico? Si es que existe, sera posible que los que andamos perdidos por el USA podriamos ser miembros de tal grupo?> > Ahora otra pregunta a todos los que viven en Mexico, creen ustedes que porque viven en Mexico se les facilita la busqueda de sus ancestros? Tienen mas recursos en cuestion de los Archivos Parroquiales y registros civiles o usan principalmente los archivos microfilmados de La Iglesia de Los Mormones? Que ventaja tienen los residentes Mexicanos que no tienen los que viven fuera de Mexico? Espero que no les moleste que haga semejantes preguntas y que no crean que es falta de respeto porque no es mi intencion. Es que he pensado que algun dia me gustaria pasar un par de meses en Mexico en mi tierra natal para dedicarme a los estudios genealogicos y no se si el esfuerzo seria valioso o no.> > Mi nombre es Alicia Carrillo y como has de saber en Los Estados Unidos Americanos la mujer deja su apellido para tomar el de su esposo. Carrillo es el apellido de mi esposo. Mi nombre de nacimiento es Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz y hasta hoy la mayoria de mis ancestros provienen de Nochistlan Zacatecas, Jalpa Zacatecas y Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes y sus alrededores mas cercanos. Si es que creen que sea fructifero el estar en Mexico para hacer los estudios en Mexico, quizas intentaremos pasar unos meses durante el verano y visitar los archivos de dichos pueblos o ciudades.> > Muchas Gracias y disculpe mi gramatica en español. Aunque naci en Mexico, vivo en San José, Calif desde le edad de dos años. Nunca estudie el español y lo hablo y escribo malamente pero hago el intento, salga como salga.> > Atentamente,> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Juan Luis Gomez > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:33:42 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Presentarme al grupo> > > Agradezco al grupo por aceptarme participar en nuestros ranchos; espero poder entender las reglas del grupo y aprender como puedo participar. > Muchas gracias. > Juan Luis Gomez> > __________________________________________________> Correo Yahoo!> Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola Welester,

Thanks so much for your reply, I always love to hear each person's story of hardship and then of triumph. I grew up in San Jose Calif and I have to say I do not have any stories of discrimination or of hardships because I was Mexican, mostly our hardships were due to our parents' upbringing that was so strict. I am the second of 6 children and we lived in a predominantly anglo neighborhood with wonderful neighbors. I always felt different but not because of what went on outside of the home but because of what went on inside the home.

Like you I am the only one in the family really interested in Genealogy, I guess I feel like the chosen one, chosen by my ancestors and unfortunately I did not become interested until about 5 years ago. If I had started earlier, the people I could ask and discusss this with would still have been alive to tell their stories. Now all I have are names without the personal histories or stories but I will take what I can.

As for your reply that there is no advantage to the genealogist who lives in Mexico in terms of access to the Parish records or civil records, well I thought that might be the case based on my one-time experience in Nochistlan where I was denied access to the older records and as for rejection to those of us who live in the USA who are descendants of Mexican Nationals because we are not considered Mexicans, I too have experienced that, as soon as I open my mouth they know that I do not live in Mexico and I'm not one of them. In defense of our relations in Mexico I have to say that we are loved and very well received, they treat us like royalty whenever we go there opening up their homes and their hearts to us as if we were someone special and I know they are special to us and the more I know the more I love them. We have to know when we learn about our ancestors that not everything was peaceful and beautiful, my dad's side of the family is known to have very cruel and mean
traits. I don't know if it was the Indio in them or the Spanish but there are stories of my Great Grandfather Martin Avelar Ortega attempting to kill his wife, my GGGrandmother Tiburcia Garcia, Gomes. He was Indio and she was Española.

Lester, you have given me some perspective on some things I was questioning and rather than making assumptions I decided to ask the questions in the hopes that someone could answer them and you have. While I do plan on going, I don't know when to Nochistlan and Aguascalientes to see the Ranchos if they still exist I don't think I will go to do actual research. What would be nice is to meet historians or professinal genealogist who can provide some historical perspective.

How is Christimas in Monterey Mexico? Maybe you can give us a little picture into your experiences there for the special holidays which are quite often religious holidays, although from what I have heard they are a bit more secular in Monterey than in most areas of Mexico.

Thanks again Welester and I look forward to hearing of your experiences.
Atentamente,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo

----- Original Message ----
From: Lester Alvarado hombrepi@hotmail.com

Hi Alicia ,

If anyone in the group is ever in Monterrey , PLEASE look me up , it would be a pleasure and an honor to meet you and to help you any way I can .

Your friend from the other DOWN UNDER ,
Welester

> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:09:57 -0800> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bienvenido Juan> > Juan,> > Bienvenido a Nuestros Ranchos!! Desde que Arturo tomo lo que era anteriormente el Grupo de Yahoo llamado "Ranchos" y lo convirtio en lo que hoy es "Nuestros Ranchos" han ingresado mas integrantes Mexicanos, o sea que son residentes de Mexico. He tenido la curiosidad de preguntar el porque se han interesado mas gentes de Mexico en ingresar a un grupo que funciona mas de 75% en ingles? Tambien he querido preguntar si es que existe un grupo semejante dentro de Mexico? Si es que existe, sera posible que los que andamos perdidos por el USA podriamos ser miembros de tal grupo?> > Ahora otra pregunta a todos los que viven en Mexico, creen ustedes que porque viven en Mexico se les facilita la busqueda de sus ancestros? Tienen mas recursos en cuestion de los Archivos Parroquiales y registros civiles o usan principalmente los
archivos microfilmados de La Iglesia de Los Mormones? Que ventaja tienen los residentes Mexicanos que no tienen los que viven fuera de Mexico? Espero que no les moleste que haga semejantes preguntas y que no crean que es falta de respeto porque no es mi intencion. Es que he pensado que algun dia me gustaria pasar un par de meses en Mexico en mi tierra natal para dedicarme a los estudios genealogicos y no se si el esfuerzo seria valioso o no.> > Mi nombre es Alicia Carrillo y como has de saber en Los Estados Unidos Americanos la mujer deja su apellido para tomar el de su esposo. Carrillo es el apellido de mi esposo. Mi nombre de nacimiento es Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz y hasta hoy la mayoria de mis ancestros provienen de Nochistlan Zacatecas, Jalpa Zacatecas y Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes y sus alrededores mas cercanos. Si es que creen que sea fructifero el estar en Mexico para hacer los estudios en Mexico, quizas intentaremos pasar unos meses durante el
verano y visitar los archivos de dichos pueblos o ciudades.> > Muchas Gracias y disculpe mi gramatica en español. Aunque naci en Mexico, vivo en San José, Calif desde le edad de dos años. Nunca estudie el español y lo hablo y escribo malamente pero hago el intento, salga como salga.> > Atentamente,> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Juan Luis Gomez > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:33:42 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Presentarme al grupo> > > Agradezco al grupo por aceptarme participar en nuestros ranchos; espero poder entender las reglas del grupo y aprender como puedo participar. > Muchas gracias. > Juan Luis Gomez> > __________________________________________________> Correo Yahoo!> Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos
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Howdy Alice ,
That sounds great that you're coming in the summer , very HOT here in Monterrey but much better weather in Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
My suggestion to you is simply be yourself , take your time with the people ( patience ) they do not like it when someone comes' in and starts to tell them what to do ,even though it's there job never the less . I have become accustomed to this . I have learned that a little gift such as a little pie , cookie or even candy can break the ice and then they will do lots of things for you , in other words make them your new best friend !
Here is an example :
In Monterrey the Catholic Archives are housed in a house where two nuns are in charge , they are famous for making you feel unwanted . My first visit was not so fruitful the second visit I took them both mini pies and since then I've had wonderful visits .
I would also suggest not to offer money for anything that you ask for or want done , like I said a little sweet goes a long way !

Take care and have a Great New Year !

Welester

> Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 18:36:57 -0800> From: alicebb@netscape.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alicia Carrillo> > Greetings Lester and Happy New Year,> Your message arrives in perfect timing! My research locally through FHC films seems to be bearing no fruit for me. The extent of my research can be found in our members genealogy--not much! Like you, no one in my family is or was interested in genealogy and those that I might have been able to interview for information have all long passed, (including my parents) leaving absolutely no documentation, not even pictures of their siblings. I have no dates, only names and (supposed)places. I say supposed, because not even my own parents' and siblings' birth documentation from Mexico is not accurate (I was born in SA,TX). The entire family's birthplaces were amended to indicate birth in Monterrey, in order to facilitate immigration to the US at the time. That much I definitely know.> Since I've hit a brick wall here, what I am considering doing is going down to Zacatecas,Aguascalientes, and Jalisco this summer and research there for a couple of weeks. Being middle aged and single, I'd like to make the most of my time there. I'd like to know what I can do here in preparation for my visit and to facilitate my research. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance and have a very happy new year. Sincerely, Alice B. Blake > --- hombrepi@hotmail.com wrote:> > From: Lester Alvarado > To: > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Alicia Carrillo> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 01:03:23 +0000> > Hi Alicia ,> > I'm Welester and I am currently living in Monterrey , Mexico however I am American and was born and raised in Los Angeles , Calif. and up until I moved to Monterrey I lived in Marina del Rey , Ca. > I started my family research when I was 9 yrs. old I say this because it started with my name ( Welester ) growing up in L.A. was not easy for a little mexican boy in East L.A. at first til I was in the 7th grade . All the kids would make fun of me cuz name wasn't Paul , Tommy , George or whatever and sometimes had to fight because of my name so, one day I asked my dad whom I called POP " Where did my name come from " and as fast as I asked him , he snapped back at me and said " WHY DON'T YOU LIKE IT ! " I sunk back into my seat and said " yea I like it " and that was that ! > Believe it or not this is what made my want to learn more about the family .> > Now , to get to some of your questions on , is the grass greener on the other side . I went to the Mormon church on Santa Monica Blvd. in L.A. about 27 yrs ago and asked for help , unfortunately in those days they were not as eager as they are today to help a non member of the church so they sent me off to the micro-film room and showed me the cabinet of films and basically said how bout . Didn't get very far and became discouraged and left . > Years later I tinkered some more but still no luck , I asked Pop about some things but he always seemed not to remember . I asked my aunt , his sister and she always painted a real sweet , beautiful picture in my mind about how it used to be , nothing else . > Now , 5 yrs. ago I sold one of my two companies and decided that I would go to Monterrey , Mexico for one year and quickly do all my family research , thinking , since I will be in Monterrey and Pop is from there it should be a breeze , right ... WRONG ! Guess again . > There are files in the archives that are damaged beyond repair , people who outright refuse to deal with you because to them you're still a gringo . > > Grant you there are many many very good people , it just seems that the meanies all work for the goverment or the church . I've had to adjust alot and now know that most of it is Culture shock . Once you recognize it you can manage it much easier . I have been helped by some very nice people and I have had problems with others .> I visited the Mormon church here and asked for help , they were very helpful and still are , I think they consider me a potential future member of the church ;-) > Once they showed my how to navigate the familysearch web sight , things began to happen . I was befriended by Gregorio who is the person in charge of helping the stakes or Family History Centers to get thier genealogy centers moving . I assist him every once in awhile to these centers and do what I can to teach the members how to start thiere PAF's and in return I get help from them on my research .> I don't have much experience with other groups , I have heard about some but from my own experience NuestrosRanchos seems to me to be very professional and detailed for the serious genealogist . I admire Joseph and respect him very much for having this sight for people like me and all the others .> I kinda already answered your second question on , is it easier here or there but just incase I wasn't clear I would say no , it's not that much easier the people here are like the ones back home , pretty much not interested in thiere genealogy . I come from a family of 9 , six boys and three girls and I'm the only one interested in the search . I keep everybody posted on new finds and usually get responses like hmmm that's nice , HEY how bout them Lakers .> I am in no way saying not to come and visit the places of your ancestors by any means , I'm just saying it's nice here there are some drawbacks but more good than bad . I have had the honor of visiting Zacatecas , Zacatecas but unfortunately I was unable to do any research there. I plan on going back there this coming new year and staying a few days .> > I have met several historians here like Isarel Cavazos , Arq. Jose Garza Carrillo , Gregorio Martinez and several others who have been helpful and have invited me to some of their meetings . Things are looking up here and one of the biggest things to have happened to me is to become a member of the NuestrosRanchos group from the other side , go figure I had to come to Mexico to become a member of a group from the states to advance in my search for my family , you gotta love it !> > If anyone in the group is ever in Monterrey , PLEASE look me up , it would be a pleasure and an honor to meet you and to help you any way I can .> > Your friend from the other DOWN UNDER ,> Welester> > P.S. My grandfather was Carrillo from Chihuahua , Juarez . Arq.Jose Garza Carrillo says that two Carrillo brothers' came from Zacatecas , one went toward Nuevo Leon and the other to Chihuahua . I'm trying to connect those dots as well .> > > > > > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2006 11:09:57 -0800> From: alliecar@pacbell.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bienvenido Juan> > Juan,> > Bienvenido a Nuestros Ranchos!! Desde que Arturo tomo lo que era anteriormente el Grupo de Yahoo llamado "Ranchos" y lo convirtio en lo que hoy es "Nuestros Ranchos" han ingresado mas integrantes Mexicanos, o sea que son residentes de Mexico. He tenido la curiosidad de preguntar el porque se han interesado mas gentes de Mexico en ingresar a un grupo que funciona mas de 75% en ingles? Tambien he querido preguntar si es que existe un grupo semejante dentro de Mexico? Si es que existe, sera posible que los que andamos perdidos por el USA podriamos ser miembros de tal grupo?> > Ahora otra pregunta a todos los que viven en Mexico, creen ustedes que porque viven en Mexico se les facilita la busqueda de sus ancestros? Tienen mas recursos en cuestion de los Archivos Parroquiales y registros civiles o usan principalmente los archivos microfilmados de La Iglesia de Los Mormones? Que ventaja tienen los residentes Mexicanos que no tienen los que viven fuera de Mexico? Espero que no les moleste que haga semejantes preguntas y que no crean que es falta de respeto porque no es mi intencion. Es que he pensado que algun dia me gustaria pasar un par de meses en Mexico en mi tierra natal para dedicarme a los estudios genealogicos y no se si el esfuerzo seria valioso o no.> > Mi nombre es Alicia Carrillo y como has de saber en Los Estados Unidos Americanos la mujer deja su apellido para tomar el de su esposo. Carrillo es el apellido de mi esposo. Mi nombre de nacimiento es Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz y hasta hoy la mayoria de mis ancestros provienen de Nochistlan Zacatecas, Jalpa Zacatecas y Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes y sus alrededores mas cercanos. Si es que creen que sea fructifero el estar en Mexico para hacer los estudios en Mexico, quizas intentaremos pasar unos meses durante el verano y visitar los archivos de dichos pueblos o ciudades.> > Muchas Gracias y disculpe mi gramatica en español. Aunque naci en Mexico, vivo en San José, Calif desde le edad de dos años. Nunca estudie el español y lo hablo y escribo malamente pero hago el intento, salga como salga.> > Atentamente,> Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo> > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Juan Luis Gomez > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 11:33:42 PM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Presentarme al grupo> > > Agradezco al grupo por aceptarme participar en nuestros ranchos; espero poder entender las reglas del grupo y aprender como puedo participar. > Muchas gracias. > Juan Luis Gomez> > __________________________________________________> Correo Yahoo!> Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > Regístrate ya - http://correo.yahoo.com.mx/ > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> Try amazing new 3D maps> http://maps.live.com/?wip=51> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > > > > _____________________________________________________________> Netscape. 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I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have
found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few
hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each

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Helloooooo Joseph,

Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .

Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!

Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !

Welester

> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have f
ound > e
ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
like wise I told him.

Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the
first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your
connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas
ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for
you in the Files/Members Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the
group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with
locations and dates on each)

joseph

Lester Alvarado wrote:
> Helloooooo Joseph,
>
> Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .
>
> Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
>
> Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
>
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have
f
>>
> ound > e
> ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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There were three confirmation email?? Sometimes I get so much email I can't read it all and I just...well...dump it. So I hope I am not going to be dropped from the list!!!!
Thanks
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:
I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
like wise I told him.

joseph

Lester Alvarado wrote:
> Helloooooo Joseph,
>
> Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .
>
> Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
>
> Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
>
> Welester
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that
have
f
>>
> ound > e
> ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Good morning Joseph,

Last night around 9 Gregorio called me and said that he recieved his three confirmations and everytime he responded a new one appeared , I told him to check the nuestros ranchos page and see if his name and password worked and after a few minutes waiting for him on the phone he yippiied and told me he was in .

Welester

> Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 05:38:16 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I > activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the > three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only > work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very > strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area. > As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year > to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so > like wise I told him.> > Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the > first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your > connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas > ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for > you in the Fil
es/Membe
rs Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the > group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with > locations and dates on each)> > joseph> > > Lester Alvarado wrote:> > Helloooooo Joseph,> > > > Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .> > > > Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!> > > > Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !> > > > Welester> >> >> >> > > >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these
centurie
s. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have > f> >> > > ound > e> > ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate!
! !> >
what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> > _________________________________________________________________> > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger.> > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?locale=e…; > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> >> > To post, send email to:> > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> >> > To change your subscription, log on to:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> >> >> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

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Joesph,

I sent a descendant outline tree from Onate/Zaldivar line. I kind of lump them together. Most of the information is from the marriage investigation of General Diego Ayala and Margarita Zaldivar who was my ancestor. I am also descendant from Margarita's brother Agustin also through my Saenz-Ancira line.
The Saenz-Ancira married the Ayalas hence I am a 2 time descendant.

ayalarobles
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : --------------

> I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
> activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
> three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
> work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
> strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
> As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
> to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
> like wise I told him.
>
> Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the
> first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your
> connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas
> ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for
> you in the Files/Members Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the
> group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with
> locations and dates on each)
>
> joseph
>
>
> Lester Alvarado wrote:
> > Helloooooo Joseph,
> >
> > Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you
> stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my
> new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of
> mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper ,
> I'm proud to say that we are related .
> >
> > Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
> >
> > Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
> >
> > Welester
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To:
> research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration>
> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found
> each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years
> ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got
> lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by
> diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses
> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that
> your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot
> paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a
> blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't
> worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on
> one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have
> f
> >>
> > ound > e
> > ach other every time connections are made within the group.> >
> Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and
> some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is
> time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given
> each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> >
> hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes>
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> (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros
> Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:>
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Joseph,

One of my intents is to connect my Robles line to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585 from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has been repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to the area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly there is a diary but I don't know where it is.

John Robles, I hope someday we are able to connect our lines.

ayalarobles
--
Esther A. Herold

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>
> I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have
> found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few
> hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each
> other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along:
> Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are
> cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or
> Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from
> Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther
> was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had
> been lost to each other for such a long time.
>
> Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I
> go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have found
> each other every time connections are made within the group.
>
> Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the
> party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta
> begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !
>
> what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and
> your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.
>
> hohoho,
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>

Christmas Celebration

Comment

Hi there Joseph and Esther ,

I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back towards Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to work for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and maybe he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon like our family Zaldivar did .
What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua Durango and Tamaulipas .

Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .

I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and others ) with the help of this group .

I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on the Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the members for all to see and use .

Thank you ,
Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles line to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585 from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has been repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to the area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A. Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after al
l these
centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
n. It is
time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > > =================== > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) > > http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > > research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Surname: Corbera/Corvera

Comment

A while back I decided to see where the surname Corbera/Corvera appeared in
Mexico. Using www.familysearch.org website of the Mormon Church, here's
what I came up with. This is not to say that all of these individuls are
family members, at this time our only common link is the sharing of a given
surname. When I became a Corbera in 1965, I was told that Corbera was a
rare surname primary from Zacatecas. The listing below reflects the states
of Coahuila; Puebla; Sinoloa and Zacatecas having their fair share of
Corbera/Corvera residents. As Welester pointed out other states in Mexico
should not be "ruled out." ~~~~~~~~
Coahuila - 93 individuals listed either as Corbera or Corvera dating back to
1813.
Durango - 3 - 1822
Guanajuato - 8 - 1714
Jalisco - 44 - 1807
Michoacan - 2 - 1932
Oaxaca - 8 - 1754
Puebla - 70 - 1804
Queretaro - 4 - 1752
San Luis Potosi - 15 - 1771
Sinoloa - 230 - 1732
Tamaulipas - 1 - 1804
Yucatlan - 1 - 1851
Zacaticas - 65 - 1794
Sonora - 1 - 1783
Nueva Leon - 5 - 1867
Hidalgo - 3 - 1771
Chihuahua - 1 - 1713
Baja California Sur - 4 - 1868
State Unknown - 1 - 1893

Pat Silva Corbera
Northern California

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lester Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration

> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>
> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back towards
> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to work
> for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and maybe
> he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon like
> our family Zaldivar did .
> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the
> three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua
> Durango and Tamaulipas .
>
> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued
> wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few
> people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>
> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon
> church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have
> registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find
> connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and
> others ) with the help of this group .
>
> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on the
> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the
> members for all to see and use .
>
> Thank you ,
> Welester
>
>
>
>> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27
>> Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas
>> Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles line
>> to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in
>> Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585
>> from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has been
>> repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular
>> name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to the
>> area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly
>> there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope
>> someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
>> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
>> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how
>> happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after al
> l these
> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families that
> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each
> other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by diligent
> study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is focuses
> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut
> feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my
> mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the
> connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each
> other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the
> old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful
> Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time
> connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some others
> can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
> n. It is
> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you two
> have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros
> Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > > ===================
> > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) > >
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > >
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research
> Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > >
> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log
> on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research
> Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org>
> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Surname: Corbera/Corvera

Comment

No I'm not ruling out other states. but I am limiting the membership to
those that sincerely believe that their roots go back to Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes from one of these other states. As with
Welester and with Gregorio Martinez ( who hasn't replied to the
confirmation emails yet) and other members in the past I am accepting
individuals into the group on a conditional basis. As long as they
pursue making a connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
they can be members and we'll revisit the membership requirements from
year to year.

But what I won't be doing is to open up the group to all estados for
discussion of the genealogy of related to all areas outside of Jalisco,
Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. Limited discussion outside our target
area is already okay but I don't see that I can continue on in my
current capacity if it is opened up to all the states. . .anyway a
group, and a very good group might I say, already exists for all the
estados de Mexico. I think everyone interested in expanding the research
area should seriously consider membership in Jonathan Walkers MexicanFHR
group, I know I have and a register member. Here is that website
address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/

thanks much,

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

papagaia2 wrote:
> A while back I decided to see where the surname Corbera/Corvera appeared in
> Mexico. Using www.familysearch.org website of the Mormon Church, here's
> what I came up with. This is not to say that all of these individuls are
> family members, at this time our only common link is the sharing of a given
> surname. When I became a Corbera in 1965, I was told that Corbera was a
> rare surname primary from Zacatecas. The listing below reflects the states
> of Coahuila; Puebla; Sinoloa and Zacatecas having their fair share of
> Corbera/Corvera residents. As Welester pointed out other states in Mexico
> should not be "ruled out." ~~~~~~~~
> Coahuila - 93 individuals listed either as Corbera or Corvera dating back to
> 1813.
> Durango - 3 - 1822
> Guanajuato - 8 - 1714
> Jalisco - 44 - 1807
> Michoacan - 2 - 1932
> Oaxaca - 8 - 1754
> Puebla - 70 - 1804
> Queretaro - 4 - 1752
> San Luis Potosi - 15 - 1771
> Sinoloa - 230 - 1732
> Tamaulipas - 1 - 1804
> Yucatlan - 1 - 1851
> Zacaticas - 65 - 1794
> Sonora - 1 - 1783
> Nueva Leon - 5 - 1867
> Hidalgo - 3 - 1771
> Chihuahua - 1 - 1713
> Baja California Sur - 4 - 1868
> State Unknown - 1 - 1893
>
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Northern California
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lester Alvarado"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration
>
>
>
>> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>>
>> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back towards
>> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to work
>> for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and maybe
>> he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon like
>> our family Zaldivar did .
>> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the
>> three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua
>> Durango and Tamaulipas .
>>
>> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued
>> wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few
>> people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>>
>> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon
>> church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have
>> registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find
>> connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and
>> others ) with the help of this group .
>>
>> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on the
>> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the
>> members for all to see and use .
>>
>> Thank you ,
>> Welester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27
>>> Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas
>>> Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles line
>>> to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in
>>> Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585
>>> from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has been
>>> repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular
>>> name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to the
>>> area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly
>>> there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope
>>> someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
>>> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
>>> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how
>>> happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after al
>>>
>> l these
>> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families that
>> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each
>> other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by diligent
>> study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is focuses
>> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut
>> feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my
>> mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the
>> connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each
>> other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the
>> old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful
>> Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time
>> connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
>> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some others
>> can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
>> n. It is
>> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you two
>> have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros
>> Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > > ===================
>> > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) > >
>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > >
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>> Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > >
>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log
>> on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>> Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org>
>> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>> _________________________________________________________________
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Surname: Corbera/Corvera

Comment

Joseph my comments was not to imply that Ranchos should be opened to all
states in Mexico, nor that you personally are ruling out other states. I
was just sharing in general what I found in my research efforts. Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Surname: Corbera/Corvera

> No I'm not ruling out other states. but I am limiting the membership to
> those that sincerely believe that their roots go back to Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes from one of these other states. As with
> Welester and with Gregorio Martinez ( who hasn't replied to the
> confirmation emails yet) and other members in the past I am accepting
> individuals into the group on a conditional basis. As long as they
> pursue making a connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
> they can be members and we'll revisit the membership requirements from
> year to year.
>
> But what I won't be doing is to open up the group to all estados for
> discussion of the genealogy of related to all areas outside of Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. Limited discussion outside our target
> area is already okay but I don't see that I can continue on in my
> current capacity if it is opened up to all the states. . .anyway a
> group, and a very good group might I say, already exists for all the
> estados de Mexico. I think everyone interested in expanding the research
> area should seriously consider membership in Jonathan Walkers MexicanFHR
> group, I know I have and a register member. Here is that website
> address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/
>
> thanks much,
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>
> papagaia2 wrote:
>> A while back I decided to see where the surname Corbera/Corvera appeared
>> in
>> Mexico. Using www.familysearch.org website of the Mormon Church, here's
>> what I came up with. This is not to say that all of these individuls are
>> family members, at this time our only common link is the sharing of a
>> given
>> surname. When I became a Corbera in 1965, I was told that Corbera was a
>> rare surname primary from Zacatecas. The listing below reflects the
>> states
>> of Coahuila; Puebla; Sinoloa and Zacatecas having their fair share of
>> Corbera/Corvera residents. As Welester pointed out other states in
>> Mexico
>> should not be "ruled out." ~~~~~~~~
>> Coahuila - 93 individuals listed either as Corbera or Corvera dating back
>> to
>> 1813.
>> Durango - 3 - 1822
>> Guanajuato - 8 - 1714
>> Jalisco - 44 - 1807
>> Michoacan - 2 - 1932
>> Oaxaca - 8 - 1754
>> Puebla - 70 - 1804
>> Queretaro - 4 - 1752
>> San Luis Potosi - 15 - 1771
>> Sinoloa - 230 - 1732
>> Tamaulipas - 1 - 1804
>> Yucatlan - 1 - 1851
>> Zacaticas - 65 - 1794
>> Sonora - 1 - 1783
>> Nueva Leon - 5 - 1867
>> Hidalgo - 3 - 1771
>> Chihuahua - 1 - 1713
>> Baja California Sur - 4 - 1868
>> State Unknown - 1 - 1893
>>
>> Pat Silva Corbera
>> Northern California
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lester Alvarado"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>>>
>>> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back
>>> towards
>>> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to
>>> work
>>> for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and
>>> maybe
>>> he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon
>>> like
>>> our family Zaldivar did .
>>> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the
>>> three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua
>>> Durango and Tamaulipas .
>>>
>>> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued
>>> wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few
>>> people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>>>
>>> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon
>>> church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have
>>> registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find
>>> connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and
>>> others ) with the help of this group .
>>>
>>> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on
>>> the
>>> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the
>>> members for all to see and use .
>>>
>>> Thank you ,
>>> Welester
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27
>>>> Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas
>>>> Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles
>>>> line
>>>> to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in
>>>> Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585
>>>> from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has
>>>> been
>>>> repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular
>>>> name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to
>>>> the
>>>> area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly
>>>> there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope
>>>> someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
>>>> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
>>>> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how
>>>> happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after
>>>> al
>>>>
>>> l these
>>> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families
>>> that
>>> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each
>>> other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by
>>> diligent
>>> study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is
>>> focuses
>>> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut
>>> feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my
>>> mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the
>>> connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each
>>> other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the
>>> old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful
>>> Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time
>>> connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
>>> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some
>>> others
>>> can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
>>> n. It is
>>> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you
>>> two
>>> have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros
>>> Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > >
>>> ===================
>>> > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>>> > >
>>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > >
>>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>>> Mailing List > > > > To post, send email to: > >
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > > > To change your subscription, log
>>> on to: > > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research
>>> Mailing List> > To post, send email to:>
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org>
>>> > To change your subscription, log on to:>
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>>>
>>> To post, send email to:
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>>>
>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Surname: Corbera/Corvera

Comment

sorry if you got the feeling that I was being critical. I wasn't trying
to be just explaining my thoughts concerning membership and areas of
research.

thanks for your participation and please don't let me cause you to delay
your research in other areas. thank again and have a happy new year.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
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papagaia2 wrote:
> Joseph my comments was not to imply that Ranchos should be opened to all
> states in Mexico, nor that you personally are ruling out other states. I
> was just sharing in general what I found in my research efforts. Pat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Puentes"
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 1:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Surname: Corbera/Corvera
>
>
>
>> No I'm not ruling out other states. but I am limiting the membership to
>> those that sincerely believe that their roots go back to Jalisco,
>> Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes from one of these other states. As with
>> Welester and with Gregorio Martinez ( who hasn't replied to the
>> confirmation emails yet) and other members in the past I am accepting
>> individuals into the group on a conditional basis. As long as they
>> pursue making a connection to Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes
>> they can be members and we'll revisit the membership requirements from
>> year to year.
>>
>> But what I won't be doing is to open up the group to all estados for
>> discussion of the genealogy of related to all areas outside of Jalisco,
>> Zacatecas, and/or Aguascalientes. Limited discussion outside our target
>> area is already okay but I don't see that I can continue on in my
>> current capacity if it is opened up to all the states. . .anyway a
>> group, and a very good group might I say, already exists for all the
>> estados de Mexico. I think everyone interested in expanding the research
>> area should seriously consider membership in Jonathan Walkers MexicanFHR
>> group, I know I have and a register member. Here is that website
>> address: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mexicanfhr/
>>
>> thanks much,
>>
>> joseph
>>
>> ===================
>>
>> Joseph Puentes
>> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>>
>> papagaia2 wrote:
>>
>>> A while back I decided to see where the surname Corbera/Corvera appeared
>>> in
>>> Mexico. Using www.familysearch.org website of the Mormon Church, here's
>>> what I came up with. This is not to say that all of these individuls are
>>> family members, at this time our only common link is the sharing of a
>>> given
>>> surname. When I became a Corbera in 1965, I was told that Corbera was a
>>> rare surname primary from Zacatecas. The listing below reflects the
>>> states
>>> of Coahuila; Puebla; Sinoloa and Zacatecas having their fair share of
>>> Corbera/Corvera residents. As Welester pointed out other states in
>>> Mexico
>>> should not be "ruled out." ~~~~~~~~
>>> Coahuila - 93 individuals listed either as Corbera or Corvera dating back
>>> to
>>> 1813.
>>> Durango - 3 - 1822
>>> Guanajuato - 8 - 1714
>>> Jalisco - 44 - 1807
>>> Michoacan - 2 - 1932
>>> Oaxaca - 8 - 1754
>>> Puebla - 70 - 1804
>>> Queretaro - 4 - 1752
>>> San Luis Potosi - 15 - 1771
>>> Sinoloa - 230 - 1732
>>> Tamaulipas - 1 - 1804
>>> Yucatlan - 1 - 1851
>>> Zacaticas - 65 - 1794
>>> Sonora - 1 - 1783
>>> Nueva Leon - 5 - 1867
>>> Hidalgo - 3 - 1771
>>> Chihuahua - 1 - 1713
>>> Baja California Sur - 4 - 1868
>>> State Unknown - 1 - 1893
>>>
>>> Pat Silva Corbera
>>> Northern California
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Lester Alvarado"
>>> To:
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 8:16 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>>>>
>>>> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back
>>>> towards
>>>> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to
>>>> work
>>>> for others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and
>>>> maybe
>>>> he left some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon
>>>> like
>>>> our family Zaldivar did .
>>>> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the
>>>> three states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua
>>>> Durango and Tamaulipas .
>>>>
>>>> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued
>>>> wandering . In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few
>>>> people that came from Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>>>>
>>>> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon
>>>> church ) that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have
>>>> registered into the group . I feel confident that I will also find
>>>> connections to my other family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and
>>>> others ) with the help of this group .
>>>>
>>>> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on
>>>> the
>>>> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the
>>>> members for all to see and use .
>>>>
>>>> Thank you ,
>>>> Welester
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27
>>>>> Dec 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas
>>>>> Celebration> > Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles
>>>>> line
>>>>> to Jalisco. I am still stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in
>>>>> Coahuila in Parras. There was a Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585
>>>>> from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio Robles. The name DIego has
>>>>> been
>>>>> repetitive in the family but then Diego in general has been a popular
>>>>> name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or was his coming to
>>>>> the
>>>>> area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant. Supposedly
>>>>> there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I hope
>>>>> someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
>>>>> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
>>>>> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how
>>>>> happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after
>>>>> al
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> l these
>>>> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families
>>>> that
>>>> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each
>>>> other. Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by
>>>> diligent
>>>> study discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is
>>>> focuses
>>>> on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut
>>>> feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my
>>>> mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > > was able to make the
>>>> connection and re-establish a blood line that had > > been lost to each
>>>> other for such a long time. > > > > Don't worry about me everyone of the
>>>> old timers in the group know that I > > go off on one of these Joyful
>>>> Celebrations of families that have found > > each other every time
>>>> connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
>>>> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some
>>>> others
>>>> can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
>>>> n. It is
>>>> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you
>>>> two
>>>> have given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros
>>>> Ranchos group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > >
>>>> ===================
>>>> > > > > Joseph Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
>>>> > >
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Ayalas of Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamulpias are really Trevinos having taken their mother surname.
Trevinos migrated to Nuevo Leon from Zacatecas and Jalisco. THe Garzas as well migrated to Nuevo Leon from Zacatecas City in the late 1500s.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from Lester Alvarado : --------------

> Hi there Joseph and Esther ,
>
> I've been thinking , the fact that I was able to trace my way back towards
> Zacatecas just proves to me that if it worked for me than it's got to work for
> others . Esther says that Diego landed in Parras , Coahuila and maybe he left
> some family there or maybe he went to the state of Nuevo Leon like our family
> Zaldivar did .
> What I'm getting at is this , even though our group is focused in the three
> states , we should not rule out Coahuila , Nuevo Leon , Chihuahua Durango and
> Tamaulipas .
>
> Our origens' are in the three states but some of ancestors continued wandering .
> In the Archivos Historicos de Monterrey list quite a few people that came from
> Zacatecas , Jalisco and Aguascaliente .
>
> I have met several people here in Monterrey ( mostly from the Mormon church )
> that have ancestors from the three states . Some of them have registered into
> the group . I feel confident that I will also find connections to my other
> family names ( Garza , Alvarado , Trevino and others ) with the help of this
> group .
>
> I'm rambling on he he , anyway I will send you whatever info I have on the
> Saldivars' and I would love to see it in the archives or files of the members
> for all to see and use .
>
> Thank you ,
> Welester
>
>
>
> > From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Wed, 27 Dec
> 2006 00:21:51 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> >
> Joseph,> > One of my intents is to connect my Robles line to Jalisco. I am still
> stuck in Coahuila. My ancestors originated in Coahuila in Parras. There was a
> Captain Diego Robles who came in 1585 from CUencame so my relative Vito Alessio
> Robles. The name DIego has been repetitive in the family but then Diego in
> general has been a popular name. I am trying to figure if this DIego stayed or
> was his coming to the area just a coinicident. Records prior to 1620 are scant.
> Supposedly there is a diary but I don't know where it is. > > John Robles, I
> hope someday we are able to connect our lines.> > ayalarobles> --> Esther A.
> Herold> > > -------------- Original message from Joseph Puentes
> : -------------- > > > > > > I just wanted to say how happy I
> am for Esther and Welester to have > > found each other after al
> l these
> centuries. Imagine that, for a few > > hundred years ago two families that
> lived with each other and knew each > > other somehow got lost from each other.
> Then two people come along: > > Esther and Welester and by diligent study
> discover each other are > > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco,
> Zacatecas, and/or > > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your
> Zaldivar's came from > > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid
> off in that Esther > > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood
> line that had > > been lost to each other for such a long time. > > > > Don't
> worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > > go off on
> one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that have found > > each other
> every time connections are made within the group. > > > > Congratulations and
> hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > > party and some others can
> cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > > begi
> n. It is
> time to celebrate! ! ! > > > > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have
> given each other and > > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos
> group. > > > > hohoho, > > > > joseph > > > > =================== > > > > Joseph
> Puentes > > http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast) > >
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History) > > > > -- -- -- -- --

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Esther ,
I didn't know that . Thanks I'm gonna check that out since I have Ayala , Trevino and Garza .

Thanks a bunch,
Welester

> From: eaherold@att.net> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 06:24:42 +0000> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > Ayalas of Coahuila, Nuevo Leon and Tamulpias are really Trevinos having taken their mother surname.> Trevinos migrated to Nuevo Leon from Zacatecas and Jalisco. THe Garzas as well migrated to Nuevo Leon from Zacatecas City in the late 1500s.> --> Esther A. Herold> > >> > >
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John you are a lifetime member. Here are the circumstances that I would
unsubscribe you:

1) you asked to be unsubscribed
2) you became argumentative and disrupted the harmony of the group
3) dag-gone near everyone in group up and sent me an email asking me to
unsubscribe you. (you never know)
4) some other weird set of circumstances that I haven't thought about
but absolutely compelled me to unsubscribe you.
5) you decided to give up playing the harp

Merry Christmas,

joseph

ps: there were three confirmation emails and you did reply to all three
because you are currently subscribed to all three lists.

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

john robles wrote:
> There were three confirmation email?? Sometimes I get so much email I can't read it all and I just...well...dump it. So I hope I am not going to be dropped from the list!!!!
> Thanks
> John
>
> Joseph Puentes wrote:
> I'm so glad for you. Talking about people outside the group. Yesterday I
> activated the account of Gregorio Martinez (he hasn't replied to the
> three confirmation emails yet so he won't be getting this) whose only
> work is in Nuevo Leon, a genealogist friend of Welester. He has a very
> strong gut feeling that his ancestors also come from the Zacatecas area.
> As I told Welester we'll revisit the membership requirements in a year
> to see how much progress has be made in establishing a connection, so
> like wise I told him.
>
> Welester when you and Esther have a chance (maybe not until after the
> first of the year) send me in an email or genealogy report your
> connection to Zacatecas I guess from your Grandparents to your Zacatecas
> ancestors. I'll make up a private (for group members only) folder for
> you in the Files/Members Genealogies/"Alvarado, Welester" area of the
> group. it can be simple grandparents-->great grandparents--> etc. (with
> locations and dates on each)
>
> joseph
>
>
> Lester Alvarado wrote:
>
>> Helloooooo Joseph,
>>
>> Thanks to you and Esther , even though you weren't so sure about me , you stuck my by me and gave me the chance to complete part of my dream and as for my new found cousin Esther well, what can I say but out of sight but never out of mind . Really it was a nice Christmas gift for me . Esther you're a trooper , I'm proud to say that we are related .
>>
>> Many thanks to the both of you, from the bottom of my heart !!!!!
>>
>> Have a Very Merry Christmas and a Great New year !
>>
>> Welester
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:12:00 -0500> From: makas@nc.rr.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Christmas Celebration> > > I just wanted to say how happy I am for Esther and Welester to have > found each other after all these centuries. Imagine that, for a few > hundred years ago two families that lived with each other and knew each > other somehow got lost from each other. Then two people come along: > Esther and Welester and by diligent study discover each other are > cousins. And in a group that is focuses on Jalisco, Zacatecas, and/or > Aguascalientes. Welester your gut feeling that your Zaldivar's came from > Zacatecas even though in my mind was a long shot paid off in that Esther > was able to make the connection and re-establish a blood line that had > been lost to each other for such a long time.> > Don't worry about me everyone of the old timers in the group know that I > go off on one of these Joyful Celebrations of families that
>>>
> have
> f
>
>> ound > e
>> ach other every time connections are made within the group.> > Congratulations and hopefully John Robles will bring his band to the > party and some others can cook up a big pot of Menudo and let the fiesta > begin. It is time to celebrate! ! !> > what a wonderful Christmas present you two have given each other and > your families including us in the Nuestros Ranchos group.> > hohoho,> > joseph> > ===================> > Joseph Puentes> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hooray, I'm in!!
I do my research in spurts, so if you don't hear from me for awhile, don't think I'm gone!!
Merry Christmas (Feliz Navidad, mejor) to EVERYONE on this group. May your year be blessed, and may you want for nothing.
And to you Joseph, from your homie from Santa Paula, a big hug.
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:
John you are a lifetime member. Here are the circumstances that I would
unsubscribe you:

Merry Christmas,

joseph

ps: there were three confirmation emails and you did reply to all three
because you are currently subscribed to all three lists.

===================

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http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

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MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!
I know I've been quiet for a long time (to all the originals who know me).....but my research has stalled and I've been really busy at home...hope everyone is doing well!

Be safe!

Peggy Delgado

john robles wrote:
Hooray, I'm in!!
I do my research in spurts, so if you don't hear from me for awhile, don't think I'm gone!!
Merry Christmas (Feliz Navidad, mejor) to EVERYONE on this group. May your year be blessed, and may you want for nothing.
And to you Joseph, from your homie from Santa Paula, a big hug.
John

Joseph Puentes wrote:
John you are a lifetime member. Here are the circumstances that I would
unsubscribe you:

Merry Christmas,

joseph

ps: there were three confirmation emails and you did reply to all three
because you are currently subscribed to all three lists.

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

[Fwd: RE: Join Rootsweb: Nuestros Ranchos Members facing the gallows!]

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this is exactly like I feel and thanks to Jonathan for expressing my
feeling. also thanks for the admonition to calm down I needed it.

thanks again Jonathan for the hard work you have done for many members

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[Fwd: RE: Join Rootsweb: Nuestros Ranchos Members facing the gal

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I too, would like to put in my two cents. I have been a member of Ranchos pretty much since it began and although life has altered my ability to be as active a member as I once was, I have found this group and it's growing membership to be of tremendous help both with input as well as with encouragement. Before "Ranchos" I was a subscriber to the individual Rootsweb groups, but for me the Ranchos group has been so much more valuable. Like Jonathan stated, "every person, who has wanted to join the Ranchos and the Nuestros Ranchos groups, and even the Ciudad Juarez group, has had to agree, to those requirements. Several times, there have been polls about changing the requirements, for membership. The results, of the polls, have been to leave the requirements, as they are now. So it is not just about satisfying Joseph. It is about satisfying the requirements established by the group membership." This group has grown a great deal and so many connections have been made as a
result of members taking responsibility for doing their own research as well as for their willingness to help each other.

Thank you Joseph for all your effort in keeping this group going and to all those who have helped out technically to enhance it's ability to grow and continue to function. Thanks too, to all the members who continue to work so hard.

Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes

Joseph Puentes wrote:
this is exactly like I feel and thanks to Jonathan for expressing my
feeling. also thanks for the admonition to calm down I needed it.

thanks again Jonathan for the hard work you have done for many members
of the group. You are a great contributor to what makes the group great.

thanks,

joseph

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Nuestros Ranchos] Join Rootsweb: Nuestros Ranchos Members
facing the gallows!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 14:53:07 -0700
From: Mexican FHR
To: Puentes, Joseph

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I'm not into poetry but every once in a while a poem comes along that
rocks me. Listen to "My Roots Run Deep" by Bobby LeFebre. Also listen to
the entire Tiahui Podkast #5 for other poetry especially a poem by Lil

Presentarme al grupo

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Agradezco al grupo por aceptarme participar en nuestros ranchos; espero poder entender las reglas del grupo y aprender como puedo participar.
Muchas gracias.
Juan Luis Gomez

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Juan Luis Gomez: was - Presentarme al grupo

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bienvenido al grupo Juan Luis. hay otros en el grupo que estan
investigando Cuquio. haga "Log In" y mira en los "Archivos" en en los
"Genealogias de Miembros" y busca los que tienen "Cuquio" en un lado de
su nombre. Alli puedes encontrar gente que estan haciendo la buscadera
en Cuquio y otros lugares en Jalisco, Zacatecas, y Aguascalientes.

otra vece bienvendido al grupo. Aqui estamos esperando si tienes
preguntas de su investigacion.

que 2007 vaya hacer un ano muy properoso para usted, su familia, y todos
nosotros en el grupo Nuestros Ranchos.

joseph

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http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Juan Luis Gomez wrote:
> Agradezco al grupo por aceptarme participar en nuestros ranchos; espero poder entender las reglas del grupo y aprender como puedo participar.
> Muchas gracias.
> Juan Luis Gomez
>
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En cuanto a mis antepasados son
bisabuelo paterno Bruno Gomez Uribe., nacio en San Felipe Cuquio, jal.
Bisabuela paterna Maria Cruz Ponce , casados el 18 de Agosto 1875, en San Felipe Cuquiop, Jalisco

My trip to Charco Hondo, Totatiche

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I just arrived this morning from Los Angeles and finally have a moment to catch up on Nuestros Ranchos postings. I wanted to share a bit about my trip to Mexico this year. While I was down there for a wedding and therefore largely busy with family events, I did get some genealogy-related things done.

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My trip to Charco Hondo, Totatiche

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That is a fabulous account. I love the "...see, feel, touch and smell. .
." part. Sometimes I look at pictures of the church in Santa Maria and
imagine my great grandfather (Jose Julio de Jesus Puente Varela) being
baptised there on the 15th of March in 1852. I can see him as an infant
and my 33 year old GGG grandfather, Josse Cecilio Puente Torres and my
GGG grandmother Dominga Varela Bañuelos there (well I think they were
there, maybe he was but maybe she wasn't?) imagine them there walking
into the church with their infant my gg grandfather along with the
padrinos (Teodoro Salazar and Refugio Diaz). Well you get the point and
I can hear exactly what you are saying with your experience. thanks for
sharing and thank you for being part of this group and all you do. You
are very appreciated.

joseph

ps: as far as touching that stone. Imagine the life of the person that
laid that stone. Wow that was a different life. Of course since it was
the cornerstone and had to be place precisely then maybe that person
would have been living a little better life than the ones that just
worked on the rest of the building.

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

arturoramos wrote:
> I just arrived this morning from Los Angeles and finally have a moment to catch up on Nuestros Ranchos postings. I wanted to share a bit about my trip to Mexico this year. While I was down there for a wedding and therefore largely busy with family events, I did get some genealogy-related things done.
>
> Perhaps the most interesting was a visit to a rancho in Totatiche, Jalisco named Charco Hondo. The rancho was perhaps the first permanent Spanish settlement in the region as all of the towns including Totatiche and Temastian were indigenous (mostly Tepehuan) settlements. The 1770 census of the rancho shows a population of more than 300 inhabitants which means it was quite a vibrant place at the time.
>
> What drew me there was a mention in a book of a cornerstone in one of the old buildings on the rancho with an inscription describing the building as a school whose teacher was a certain Joseph Grano... who happens to be my ancestor 7 times over. I got to see and touch the stone with the date of August 1725... the building, made of stone is largely intact... the roof collapsed several decades ago and has been replaced but the walls and door are clearly the originals. There are many other ruins in the rancho, mostly adobe and therefore much more deteriorated. There are also the ruins of the original dam built on the rancho, also in the early 1700s. It was amazing too see, feel, touch and smell these lands of my ancestors.
>
> I will share photos in the following days.
>
> I also went to the Centro Universitario Norte of the Universidad de Guadalajara, which is located in Colotlan, Jalisco. It is a beautiful campus with a great bookstore of local microhistory, anthropology, etc. I bough several books which I will also inventory for the group in the coming days.

My trip to Charco Hondo, Totatiche

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Yes, Joseph, that was a fabulous account by Arturo. It reminds me of the one and only time I accompanied my father to Jerez. We went to the church there to see about his birth record (apparently lost or destroyed during the Revolution) and there was an elderly master stone mason and his two young assistants working on restoration on one side of the building. I was impressed by their work with the stones, and wanted to film them with my little 8mm movie camera (this was in the '60s). My father asked permission for me to film them, and when he did so, they stopped working and stood at attention with their hats off. I had wanted to film them at work, but they were too polite to continue as long as we were there. I was too young and dumb then to do any genealogical searches. This was before I got the bug.

My father told me he had been an altar boy in that church, and I was surprised because by then he was in his sixties and had always been an atheist as far as I knew. I later wandered around the church where some elderly ladies were refilling the vases with fresh flowers. I was amazed at the age of the church, the floor tiles of stone worn smooth and concave from all the foot-traffic. The alter was high and the wall behind it did not reach the ceiling. I heard what sounded like a choir of men doing what I know now to be Gregorian chants coming over the top of that wall and when I walked around behind the altar, what I saw made me almost faint. There were several monks sitting in ornately carved chairs with black robes and peaked hoods covering most of their faces. They had little books on their laps and they continued their chant. They never looked up or stopped when I walked in, and I just as quickly walked out. I was so stunned by the beautiful sound and the ominous look of those monks. I had never seen such costumes except for those white things worn by the KKK. I told my father what I had seen, asked him to come see, but he just blew me off, totally unimpressed. Bad memories for him, I guess.

Emilie
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joseph

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"Padrón de población de Aguascalientes", compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja

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According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary José Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of Guadalajara, which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final destination for many spanish and portuguese immigrants. Along the same lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792, confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name, origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that lived in Aguascalientes.

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"Padrón de población de Aguascalientes", compiled in 1792 by F

Comment

Hi everybody. We drifted away from the original question (below) before an
answer was provided. Please let me know if you have any information or know
how to get a copy of the Padrón de Población de Aguascalientes of 1792.

According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary José
Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of Guadalajara,
which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
destination for many Spanish and Portuguese immigrants. Along the same
lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792,
confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that lived
in Aguascalientes.

I believe that the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" can be a useful tool
for those of us doing genealogical research. Although I am interested in
several families who lived in Aguascalientes at that time, the most
important for me is the family of my 4th great-grandparents Vicente Ruiz de
Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado (his 2nd wife). According to the
"Padrón de Aguascalientes of 1770", Vicente and his first wife Catharina de
Orosco y Ralla lived in a house located on "Calle de la Merced" with their
24-year old son Joseph Cayetano Ruiz de Esparza. After his first wife died
in 1775, Vicente remarried and had four sons from his second marriage, among
them my 3rd. great-grandfather Francisco Antonio Abad Ruiz de Esparza, born
in Aguascalientes in 1781. Both Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela Trillo
y Delgado died in 1797.

I believe that this family still lived on "Calle de la Merced" in 1792, and
would appreciate any information concerning the whereabouts of the original
"padron de 1792" or any other information about my ancestors. I can
reciprocate by looking up information about your ancestors on my copies of
the "padrón parroquial de 1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de 1648".

Thanks,

Guillermo Figueroa Strecker

Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio

Comment

If you live close to MA or NJ or if they are willing to do an ILL here
is the info on the Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770

Bill is this the same book you own?

joseph

==================================

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US,MA UNIV OF MASSACHUSETTS AMHERST AUM
US,NJ PRINCETON UNIV PUL

Title: Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
Author(s): Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; 1936-
Corp Author(s): Archivo Histórico del Estado de Aguascalientes.
Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
Aguascalientes,
Year: 2001
Description: 306 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
Language: Spanish
SUBJECT(S)
Descriptor: Church records and registers -- Mexico -- Aguascalientes.
Parishes -- Mexico -- Aguascalientes -- History -- Sources.
Geographic: Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- Population -- History --
Sources.
Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- History -- Sources.
Class Descriptors: LC: CD3678.A2
Responsibility: estudio introductorio del Dr. José Antonio Gutiérrez
Gutiérrez.
Document Type: Book
Entry: 20060628
Update: 20060628
Accession No: OCLC: 70203331
Database: WorldCat

===========================

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Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
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Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
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4. Book Aguascalientes y su región de influencia hasta 1810 :
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Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico?] : Sistema de Educación Media
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Altos de Jalisco, 1998
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5. Book Infundios contra San Cristóbal de las Casas :
condiciones sociales de los indígenas en esta ciudad /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
Publication: México, D.F. : Miguel Ángel Porrúa ; [Chiapas, México?] :
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6. Book La labor social de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
Publication: Aguascalientes, Ags. : Instituto Cultural de
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7. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Comisión Editorial, Universidad
Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Universidad de
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8. Book El siervo de Dios, monseñor José de Jesús López y González /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes, 2003
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9. Book Decires y contradicciones de un caudillo insurgente :
P. Pablo José Calvillo (1772-1816), del Valle de Huajúcar, hoy Calvillo,
Aguascalientes /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez, Cándido.
Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Centro Universitario de los Altos,
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10. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
Publication: [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara ;
[Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; Guad. Jal.
[i.e. Guadalajara] : Acento Editores, 2001-2005
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Book Pinceladas históricas acatiquenses /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
Cándido.; González Pérez, Ana Rosa.
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12. Book El pasado en el presente de Ocampo /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
Publication: [Mexico] : Municipio de Ocampo, Gto. : Instituto Estatal de
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Publication: México : [s.n.], 1998
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14. Book Historia de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes :
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16. Book Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
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17. Book Los Gutiérrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlán : los
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18. Book Cuadro general estadístico de San Miguel de los Alcalanes :
1879 edición oficial /
Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; Martínez Saldaña, Tomás.
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Bill Figueroa wrote:
> Hi everybody. We drifted away from the original question (below) before an
> answer was provided. Please let me know if you have any information or know
> how to get a copy of the Padrón de Población de Aguascalientes of 1792.
>
> According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
> Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary José
> Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of Guadalajara,
> which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
> destination for many Spanish and Portuguese immigrants. Along the same
> lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792,
> confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
> origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that lived
> in Aguascalientes.
>
> I believe that the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" can be a useful tool
> for those of us doing genealogical research. Although I am interested in
> several families who lived in Aguascalientes at that time, the most
> important for me is the family of my 4th great-grandparents Vicente Ruiz de
> Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado (his 2nd wife). According to the
> "Padrón de Aguascalientes of 1770", Vicente and his first wife Catharina de
> Orosco y Ralla lived in a house located on "Calle de la Merced" with their
> 24-year old son Joseph Cayetano Ruiz de Esparza. After his first wife died
> in 1775, Vicente remarried and had four sons from his second marriage, among
> them my 3rd. great-grandfather Francisco Antonio Abad Ruiz de Esparza, born
> in Aguascalientes in 1781. Both Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela Trillo
> y Delgado died in 1797.
>
> I believe that this family still lived on "Calle de la Merced" in 1792, and
> would appreciate any information concerning the whereabouts of the original
> "padron de 1792" or any other information about my ancestors. I can
> reciprocate by looking up information about your ancestors on my copies of
> the "padrón parroquial de 1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de 1648".
>
> Thanks,
>
> Guillermo Figueroa Strecker
>

Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio

Comment

Joseph,

That is exactly the book I have ("Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes,
1770"). I also have a copy of the "padrón parroquial" of 1648. What I'm
looking for is the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" (notice that this
version is not "parroquial" or of religious nature). As far as I know, it
has NOT been published in book form. Also, it should be more complete than
the 1770 version, as it not only includes names and addresses, but place of
origin, age and occupation of persons living in Aguascalientes in 1792.

Best regards and Marry Christmas,

Bill

>> in Aguascalientes
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:00 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez,
José Antonio

> If you live close to MA or NJ or if they are willing to do an ILL here
> is the info on the Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770
>
> Bill is this the same book you own?
>
> joseph
>
> ==================================
>
> Location Library Code
> US,MA UNIV OF MASSACHUSETTS AMHERST AUM
> US,NJ PRINCETON UNIV PUL
>
> Title: Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
> Author(s): Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; 1936-
> Corp Author(s): Archivo Histórico del Estado de Aguascalientes.
> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
> Aguascalientes,
> Year: 2001
> Description: 306 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
> Language: Spanish
> SUBJECT(S)
> Descriptor: Church records and registers -- Mexico -- Aguascalientes.
> Parishes -- Mexico -- Aguascalientes -- History -- Sources.
> Geographic: Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- Population -- History --
> Sources.
> Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- History -- Sources.
> Class Descriptors: LC: CD3678.A2
> Responsibility: estudio introductorio del Dr. José Antonio Gutiérrez
> Gutiérrez.
> Document Type: Book
> Entry: 20060628
> Update: 20060628
> Accession No: OCLC: 70203331
> Database: WorldCat
>
> ===========================
>
> other books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio
>
> 1. Book Los Altos de Jalisco :
> panorama histórico de una región y de su sociedad hasta 1821 /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: México, D.F. : Consejo Nacional para la Cultura y las
> Artes, 1991
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 39
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 2. Book Historia de la Iglesia católica en Aguascalientes /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: México : [Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes], 1999-?
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 28
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 3. Book Colección de documentos para la historia de la Diócesis de
> Aguascalientes /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes :
> Obispado de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara,
> 1999-
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 25
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 4. Book Aguascalientes y su región de influencia hasta 1810 :
> sociedad y política /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico?] : Sistema de Educación Media
> Superior de la Universidad de Guadalajara : Amigos de la Historia de los
> Altos de Jalisco, 1998
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 16
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 5. Book Infundios contra San Cristóbal de las Casas :
> condiciones sociales de los indígenas en esta ciudad /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: México, D.F. : Miguel Ángel Porrúa ; [Chiapas, México?] :
> Fundación Chiapaneca Colosio, 1996
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 14
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 6. Book La labor social de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: Aguascalientes, Ags. : Instituto Cultural de
> Aguascalientes, 1997
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 9
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 7. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Comisión Editorial, Universidad
> Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Universidad de
> Guadalajara : Acento Editores : Amate Editorial, 1985-2005
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 9
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 8. Book El siervo de Dios, monseñor José de Jesús López y González /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes,
> 2003
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 8
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 9. Book Decires y contradicciones de un caudillo insurgente :
> P. Pablo José Calvillo (1772-1816), del Valle de Huajúcar, hoy Calvillo,
> Aguascalientes /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez, Cándido.
> Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Centro Universitario de los Altos,
> Universidad de Guadalajara, 1997
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 7
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 10. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara ;
> [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; Guad. Jal.
> [i.e. Guadalajara] : Acento Editores, 2001-2005
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 7
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> Book Pinceladas históricas acatiquenses /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
> Cándido.; González Pérez, Ana Rosa.
> Publication: [México : s.n., 1997
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 6
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 12. Book El pasado en el presente de Ocampo /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: [Mexico] : Municipio de Ocampo, Gto. : Instituto Estatal de
> la Cultura : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes, 2000
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 4
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 13. Book Pinceladas históricas acatiquenses /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
> Cándido.; González Pérez, Ana Rosa.
> Publication: México : [s.n.], 1998
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 4
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 14. Book Historia de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes :
> Obispado de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara,
> 1999-2003
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 4
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 15. Book Los cuadernos de visita del laguense Mateo José de
> Arteaga a 17 pueblos del sur de Jalisco en 1767 /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara, 1999
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 3
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 16. Book Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
> Aguascalientes, 2001
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 2
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 17. Book Los Gutiérrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlán : los
> orígenes /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936- Publication: [Altos de
> Jalisco] : Amigos de la Historia de los Altos de Jalisco, 1900s
> Document: Spanish : Book Archival Material Archival Material
> Libraries Worldwide: 1
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
> 18. Book Cuadro general estadístico de San Miguel de los Alcalanes :
> 1879 edición oficial /
> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; Martínez Saldaña, Tomás.
> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Centro Universitario de los Altos, 1997, 1879
> Document: Spanish : Book
> Libraries Worldwide: 1
> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
> Advanced options ...
> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>
>
>
> Bill Figueroa wrote:
>> Hi everybody. We drifted away from the original question (below) before
>> an
>> answer was provided. Please let me know if you have any information or
>> know
>> how to get a copy of the Padrón de Población de Aguascalientes of 1792.
>>
>> According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
>> Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary
>> José
>> Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of
>> Guadalajara,
>> which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
>> destination for many Spanish and Portuguese immigrants. Along the same
>> lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792,
>> confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
>> origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that
>> lived
>> in Aguascalientes.
>>
>> I believe that the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" can be a useful
>> tool
>> for those of us doing genealogical research. Although I am interested in
>> several families who lived in Aguascalientes at that time, the most
>> important for me is the family of my 4th great-grandparents Vicente Ruiz
>> de
>> Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado (his 2nd wife). According to the
>> "Padrón de Aguascalientes of 1770", Vicente and his first wife Catharina
>> de
>> Orosco y Ralla lived in a house located on "Calle de la Merced" with
>> their
>> 24-year old son Joseph Cayetano Ruiz de Esparza. After his first wife
>> died
>> in 1775, Vicente remarried and had four sons from his second marriage,
>> among
>> them my 3rd. great-grandfather Francisco Antonio Abad Ruiz de Esparza,
>> born
>> in Aguascalientes in 1781. Both Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela
>> Trillo
>> y Delgado died in 1797.
>>
>> I believe that this family still lived on "Calle de la Merced" in 1792,
>> and
>> would appreciate any information concerning the whereabouts of the
>> original
>> "padron de 1792" or any other information about my ancestors. I can
>> reciprocate by looking up information about your ancestors on my copies
>> of
>> the "padrón parroquial de 1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de
>> 1648".
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Guillermo Figueroa Strecker
>>
>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>
>> To post, send email to:
>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>
>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>
>>

Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio

Comment

Bill you are probably already familiar with this info but have a look in
the files-->Books and Articles-->Census Records for Latin America by
Lyman Platt-->http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15262

for some info from Dr. Platt's book on Latin American Census records.
Look at the Aguas pages 1-4 in two parts for info on the 1792 census.

joseph

===================

Joseph Puentes
http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)

Bill Figueroa wrote:
> Joseph,
>
> That is exactly the book I have ("Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes,
> 1770"). I also have a copy of the "padrón parroquial" of 1648. What I'm
> looking for is the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" (notice that this
> version is not "parroquial" or of religious nature). As far as I know, it
> has NOT been published in book form. Also, it should be more complete than
> the 1770 version, as it not only includes names and addresses, but place of
> origin, age and occupation of persons living in Aguascalientes in 1792.
>
> Best regards and Marry Christmas,
>
> Bill
>
>
>>> in Aguascalientes
>>>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joseph Puentes"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:00 AM
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez,
> José Antonio
>
>
>
>> If you live close to MA or NJ or if they are willing to do an ILL here
>> is the info on the Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770
>>
>> Bill is this the same book you own?
>>
>> joseph
>>
>> ==================================
>>
>> Location Library Code
>> US,MA UNIV OF MASSACHUSETTS AMHERST AUM
>> US,NJ PRINCETON UNIV PUL
>>
>> Title: Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
>> Author(s): Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; 1936-
>> Corp Author(s): Archivo Histórico del Estado de Aguascalientes.
>> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
>> Aguascalientes,
>> Year: 2001
>> Description: 306 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
>> Language: Spanish
>> SUBJECT(S)
>> Descriptor: Church records and registers -- Mexico -- Aguascalientes.
>> Parishes -- Mexico -- Aguascalientes -- History -- Sources.
>> Geographic: Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- Population -- History --
>> Sources.
>> Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- History -- Sources.
>> Class Descriptors: LC: CD3678.A2
>> Responsibility: estudio introductorio del Dr. José Antonio Gutiérrez
>> Gutiérrez.
>> Document Type: Book
>> Entry: 20060628
>> Update: 20060628
>> Accession No: OCLC: 70203331
>> Database: WorldCat
>>
>> ===========================
>>
>> other books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio
>>
>> 1. Book Los Altos de Jalisco :
>> panorama histórico de una región y de su sociedad hasta 1821 /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: México, D.F. : Consejo Nacional para la Cultura y las
>> Artes, 1991
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 39
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 2. Book Historia de la Iglesia católica en Aguascalientes /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: México : [Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes], 1999-?
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 28
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 3. Book Colección de documentos para la historia de la Diócesis de
>> Aguascalientes /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
>> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes :
>> Obispado de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara,
>> 1999-
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 25
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 4. Book Aguascalientes y su región de influencia hasta 1810 :
>> sociedad y política /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico?] : Sistema de Educación Media
>> Superior de la Universidad de Guadalajara : Amigos de la Historia de los
>> Altos de Jalisco, 1998
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 16
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 5. Book Infundios contra San Cristóbal de las Casas :
>> condiciones sociales de los indígenas en esta ciudad /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: México, D.F. : Miguel Ángel Porrúa ; [Chiapas, México?] :
>> Fundación Chiapaneca Colosio, 1996
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 14
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 6. Book La labor social de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: Aguascalientes, Ags. : Instituto Cultural de
>> Aguascalientes, 1997
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 9
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 7. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Comisión Editorial, Universidad
>> Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Universidad de
>> Guadalajara : Acento Editores : Amate Editorial, 1985-2005
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 9
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 8. Book El siervo de Dios, monseñor José de Jesús López y González /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes,
>> 2003
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 8
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 9. Book Decires y contradicciones de un caudillo insurgente :
>> P. Pablo José Calvillo (1772-1816), del Valle de Huajúcar, hoy Calvillo,
>> Aguascalientes /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez, Cándido.
>> Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Centro Universitario de los Altos,
>> Universidad de Guadalajara, 1997
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 7
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 10. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara ;
>> [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; Guad. Jal.
>> [i.e. Guadalajara] : Acento Editores, 2001-2005
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 7
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> Book Pinceladas históricas acatiquenses /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
>> Cándido.; González Pérez, Ana Rosa.
>> Publication: [México : s.n., 1997
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 6
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 12. Book El pasado en el presente de Ocampo /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: [Mexico] : Municipio de Ocampo, Gto. : Instituto Estatal de
>> la Cultura : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes, 2000
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 4
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 13. Book Pinceladas históricas acatiquenses /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
>> Cándido.; González Pérez, Ana Rosa.
>> Publication: México : [s.n.], 1998
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 4
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 14. Book Historia de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes :
>> Obispado de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara,
>> 1999-2003
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 4
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 15. Book Los cuadernos de visita del laguense Mateo José de
>> Arteaga a 17 pueblos del sur de Jalisco en 1767 /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
>> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara, 1999
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 3
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 16. Book Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
>> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
>> Aguascalientes, 2001
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 2
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>> 17. Book Los Gutiérrez de la Media Hanega de Xalostotitlán : los
>> orígenes /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936- Publication: [Altos de
>> Jalisco] : Amigos de la Historia de los Altos de Jalisco, 1900s
>> Document: Spanish : Book Archival Material Archival Material
>> Libraries Worldwide: 1
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
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>> 18. Book Cuadro general estadístico de San Miguel de los Alcalanes :
>> 1879 edición oficial /
>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; Martínez Saldaña, Tomás.
>> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Centro Universitario de los Altos, 1997, 1879
>> Document: Spanish : Book
>> Libraries Worldwide: 1
>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>> Advanced options ...
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>>
>>
>>
>> Bill Figueroa wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everybody. We drifted away from the original question (below) before
>>> an
>>> answer was provided. Please let me know if you have any information or
>>> know
>>> how to get a copy of the Padrón de Población de Aguascalientes of 1792.
>>>
>>> According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
>>> Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary
>>> José
>>> Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of
>>> Guadalajara,
>>> which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
>>> destination for many Spanish and Portuguese immigrants. Along the same
>>> lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792,
>>> confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
>>> origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that
>>> lived
>>> in Aguascalientes.
>>>
>>> I believe that the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" can be a useful
>>> tool
>>> for those of us doing genealogical research. Although I am interested in
>>> several families who lived in Aguascalientes at that time, the most
>>> important for me is the family of my 4th great-grandparents Vicente Ruiz
>>> de
>>> Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado (his 2nd wife). According to the
>>> "Padrón de Aguascalientes of 1770", Vicente and his first wife Catharina
>>> de
>>> Orosco y Ralla lived in a house located on "Calle de la Merced" with
>>> their
>>> 24-year old son Joseph Cayetano Ruiz de Esparza. After his first wife
>>> died
>>> in 1775, Vicente remarried and had four sons from his second marriage,
>>> among
>>> them my 3rd. great-grandfather Francisco Antonio Abad Ruiz de Esparza,
>>> born
>>> in Aguascalientes in 1781. Both Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela
>>> Trillo
>>> y Delgado died in 1797.
>>>
>>> I believe that this family still lived on "Calle de la Merced" in 1792,
>>> and
>>> would appreciate any information concerning the whereabouts of the
>>> original
>>> "padron de 1792" or any other information about my ancestors. I can
>>> reciprocate by looking up information about your ancestors on my copies
>>> of
>>> the "padrón parroquial de 1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de
>>> 1648".
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Guillermo Figueroa Strecker
>>>
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
>>> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
>>>
>>> To post, send email to:
>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>> To change your subscription, log on to:
>>> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
>>>
>>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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>>>
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>>> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
>>>
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Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio

Comment

Joseph,

Thank you very much for the information. According to the "Census Records
for Latin America..." by Lyman D. Platt, the "Padrón de Aguascalientes de
1792" is at the Archivo General de la Nación in Mexico City. The microfilm
is listed at FamilySearch under Padrones de México, 1752-1865 México.
Dirección General de Estadística. Ramo de Padrones. FHL INTL Film No.
1520345 Vol. 4, 1800, 1792 Vol 5-6 and possibly Film 1520346 1792 Vol. 6-7,
1791 Vol. 8. I will order the first one from Salt Lake City when our local
FHC reopens next week.

Hope your Christmas was a happy and peaceful one. Again, thank you very
much for your assistance.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Puentes"
To:
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2006 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez
Gutiérrez, José Antonio

> Bill you are probably already familiar with this info but have a look in
> the files-->Books and Articles-->Census Records for Latin America by
> Lyman Platt-->http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/15262
>
> for some info from Dr. Platt's book on Latin American Census records.
> Look at the Aguas pages 1-4 in two parts for info on the 1792 census.
>
> joseph
>
> ===================
>
> Joseph Puentes
> http://H2Opodcast.com (Environment Podcast)
> http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History)
>
> Bill Figueroa wrote:
>> Joseph,
>>
>> That is exactly the book I have ("Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes,
>> 1770"). I also have a copy of the "padrón parroquial" of 1648. What I'm
>> looking for is the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" (notice that this
>> version is not "parroquial" or of religious nature). As far as I know,
>> it
>> has NOT been published in book form. Also, it should be more complete
>> than
>> the 1770 version, as it not only includes names and addresses, but place
>> of
>> origin, age and occupation of persons living in Aguascalientes in 1792.
>>
>> Best regards and Marry Christmas,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>>> in Aguascalientes
>>>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joseph Puentes"
>> To:
>> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 5:00 AM
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Aguascalientes: Books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez,
>> José Antonio
>>
>>
>>
>>> If you live close to MA or NJ or if they are willing to do an ILL here
>>> is the info on the Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770
>>>
>>> Bill is this the same book you own?
>>>
>>> joseph
>>>
>>> ==================================
>>>
>>> Location Library Code
>>> US,MA UNIV OF MASSACHUSETTS AMHERST AUM
>>> US,NJ PRINCETON UNIV PUL
>>>
>>> Title: Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
>>> Author(s): Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; 1936-
>>> Corp Author(s): Archivo Histórico del Estado de Aguascalientes.
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
>>> Aguascalientes,
>>> Year: 2001
>>> Description: 306 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
>>> Language: Spanish
>>> SUBJECT(S)
>>> Descriptor: Church records and registers -- Mexico --
>>> Aguascalientes.
>>> Parishes -- Mexico -- Aguascalientes -- History -- Sources.
>>> Geographic: Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- Population -- History --
>>> Sources.
>>> Aguascalientes (Mexico) -- History -- Sources.
>>> Class Descriptors: LC: CD3678.A2
>>> Responsibility: estudio introductorio del Dr. José Antonio Gutiérrez
>>> Gutiérrez.
>>> Document Type: Book
>>> Entry: 20060628
>>> Update: 20060628
>>> Accession No: OCLC: 70203331
>>> Database: WorldCat
>>>
>>> ===========================
>>>
>>> other books by Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio
>>>
>>> 1. Book Los Altos de Jalisco :
>>> panorama histórico de una región y de su sociedad hasta 1821 /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: México, D.F. : Consejo Nacional para la Cultura y las
>>> Artes, 1991
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 39
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 2. Book Historia de la Iglesia católica en Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: México : [Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes], 1999-?
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 28
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 3. Book Colección de documentos para la historia de la Diócesis de
>>> Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes :
>>> Obispado de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara,
>>> 1999-
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 25
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 4. Book Aguascalientes y su región de influencia hasta 1810 :
>>> sociedad y política /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico?] : Sistema de Educación Media
>>> Superior de la Universidad de Guadalajara : Amigos de la Historia de los
>>> Altos de Jalisco, 1998
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 16
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 5. Book Infundios contra San Cristóbal de las Casas :
>>> condiciones sociales de los indígenas en esta ciudad /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: México, D.F. : Miguel Ángel Porrúa ; [Chiapas, México?] :
>>> Fundación Chiapaneca Colosio, 1996
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 14
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 6. Book La labor social de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: Aguascalientes, Ags. : Instituto Cultural de
>>> Aguascalientes, 1997
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 9
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 7. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Comisión Editorial, Universidad
>>> Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Universidad de
>>> Guadalajara : Acento Editores : Amate Editorial, 1985-2005
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 9
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 8. Book El siervo de Dios, monseñor José de Jesús López y González
>>> /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes,
>>> 2003
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 8
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 9. Book Decires y contradicciones de un caudillo insurgente :
>>> P. Pablo José Calvillo (1772-1816), del Valle de Huajúcar, hoy Calvillo,
>>> Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
>>> Cándido.
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara, Mexico] : Centro Universitario de los Altos,
>>> Universidad de Guadalajara, 1997
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 7
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 10. Book Jalostotitlán a través de los siglos /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara ;
>>> [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes ; Guad. Jal.
>>> [i.e. Guadalajara] : Acento Editores, 2001-2005
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 7
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> Book Pinceladas históricas acatiquenses /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
>>> Cándido.; González Pérez, Ana Rosa.
>>> Publication: [México : s.n., 1997
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 6
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 12. Book El pasado en el presente de Ocampo /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Mexico] : Municipio de Ocampo, Gto. : Instituto Estatal de
>>> la Cultura : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes, 2000
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 4
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
>>> Get This Item See more details for locating this item
>>> 13. Book Pinceladas históricas acatiquenses /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-; González Pérez,
>>> Cándido.; González Pérez, Ana Rosa.
>>> Publication: México : [s.n.], 1998
>>> Document: Spanish : Book
>>> Libraries Worldwide: 4
>>> More Like This: Search for versions with same title and author |
>>> Advanced options ...
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>>> 14. Book Historia de la Iglesia Católica en Aguascalientes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936-
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes] : Universidad Autónoma de Aguascalientes :
>>> Obispado de Aguascalientes ; [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara,
>>> 1999-2003
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>>> Arteaga a 17 pueblos del sur de Jalisco en 1767 /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Universidad de Guadalajara, 1999
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>>> 16. Book Padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes, 1770 /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,
>>> Publication: [Aguascalientes, Mexico] : Archivo Histórico de
>>> Aguascalientes, 2001
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>>> orígenes /
>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio, 1936- Publication: [Altos de
>>> Jalisco] : Amigos de la Historia de los Altos de Jalisco, 1900s
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>>> Author: Gutiérrez Gutiérrez, José Antonio,; Martínez Saldaña, Tomás.
>>> Publication: [Guadalajara] : Centro Universitario de los Altos, 1997,
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>>>
>>> Bill Figueroa wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi everybody. We drifted away from the original question (below)
>>>> before
>>>> an
>>>> answer was provided. Please let me know if you have any information or
>>>> know
>>>> how to get a copy of the Padrón de Población de Aguascalientes of 1792.
>>>>
>>>> According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
>>>> Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary
>>>> José
>>>> Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of
>>>> Guadalajara,
>>>> which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
>>>> destination for many Spanish and Portuguese immigrants. Along the same
>>>> lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in
>>>> 1792,
>>>> confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
>>>> origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that
>>>> lived
>>>> in Aguascalientes.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" can be a useful
>>>> tool
>>>> for those of us doing genealogical research. Although I am interested
>>>> in
>>>> several families who lived in Aguascalientes at that time, the most
>>>> important for me is the family of my 4th great-grandparents Vicente
>>>> Ruiz
>>>> de
>>>> Esparza and Rafaela Trillo y Delgado (his 2nd wife). According to the
>>>> "Padrón de Aguascalientes of 1770", Vicente and his first wife
>>>> Catharina
>>>> de
>>>> Orosco y Ralla lived in a house located on "Calle de la Merced" with
>>>> their
>>>> 24-year old son Joseph Cayetano Ruiz de Esparza. After his first wife
>>>> died
>>>> in 1775, Vicente remarried and had four sons from his second marriage,
>>>> among
>>>> them my 3rd. great-grandfather Francisco Antonio Abad Ruiz de Esparza,
>>>> born
>>>> in Aguascalientes in 1781. Both Vicente Ruiz de Esparza and Rafaela
>>>> Trillo
>>>> y Delgado died in 1797.
>>>>
>>>> I believe that this family still lived on "Calle de la Merced" in 1792,
>>>> and
>>>> would appreciate any information concerning the whereabouts of the
>>>> original
>>>> "padron de 1792" or any other information about my ancestors. I can
>>>> reciprocate by looking up information about your ancestors on my copies
>>>> of
>>>> the "padrón parroquial de 1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de
>>>> 1648".
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Guillermo Figueroa Strecker
>>>>
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"Padrón de población de Aguascalientes", compiled in 1792 by F

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Hi Bill!

I am going to take you up on your offer: ("I can reciprocate by looking up
information about your ancestors on my copies of the "padrón parroquial de
1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de 1648".) as posted in your e-mail
to our group today.......I hope you do not mind......I am trying to locate
ANY info on a couple of my ancestors with the surnames "LIENDO and DE LA
ROSA".....in the 1600-1725 time period or later. Would you mind looking in
these two books of yours to see if these surnames appear? Thanks so much!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Figueroa
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 12:50 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Padrón de población de Aguascalientes",
compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja

According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary José
Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of Guadalajara,
which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
destination for many spanish and portuguese immigrants. Along the same
lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792,
confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that lived
in Aguascalientes.

I believe that the "Padron de Aguascalientes of 1792" can be a useful tool
for those of us doing genealogical research.
I believe that this family still lived on "Calle de la Merced" in 1792 and
would appreciate any information concerning the whereabouts of the original
"padron de 1792" or any other information about my ancestors. I can
reciprocate by looking up information about your ancestors on my copies of
the "padrón parroquial de 1770" and the first "padrón parroquial de 1648".

Guillermo Figueroa Strecker

"Padrón de población de Aguascalientes", compiled in 1792 by F

Comment

Hi Josie,

I checked the "padrón parroquial de Aguascalientes" of 1648 but could not
find a single person with the surname LIENDO or DE LA ROSA. Aguascalientes
was established in 1575 and by 1648 it was only a small village with less
than 1,000 inhabitans. By July 30, 1770 its population had grown to 19,661
people (3,620 families). The padrón of 1770 is organized by groups or
families, including "haciendas, ranchos y puestos". People who lived in
town are listed by street where they lived. There is no alphabetical index.

I have not checked the padrón of 1770, but I can tell you that I have never
seen the surname Liendo in any documents in Aguascalientes (or anywhere
else). De la Rosa is not so uncommon. There were people with that surname
in Aguascalientes since the early 1700s.

I'll let you know what I find later during the week.

Bill

----- Original Message -----
From: "Josie T. Trevino"
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]"Padrón de población de Aguascalientes",
compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja

Hi Bill!

Josie in San Antonio

According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary José
Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of Guadalajara,
which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
destination for many spanish and portuguese immigrants. Along the same
lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792,
confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that lived
in Aguascalientes.

Guillermo Figueroa Strecker

"Padrón de población de Aguascalientes", compiled in 1792 by F

Comment

Hi Bill!

Thanks for the quick response! Yes, the surname LIENDO is indeed a rare one
and very difficult to find! I know for a fact that they were in Zacatecas
in the late 1600s and very early 1700s but have yet to locate them. I have
been able to trace it from about 1725 to the present time and am now
concentrating on tearing down that brick wall.........but have had no such
luck! :-) Any assistance you or anyone else out there can give me will
certainly be appreciated!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Figueroa
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:47 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]"Padrón de población de Aguascalientes",
compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja

Hi Josie,

I'll let you know what I find later during the week.

Bill

Hi Bill!

Josie in San Antonio

According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary José
Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of Guadalajara,
which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
destination for many spanish and portuguese immigrants. Along the same
lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792,
confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that lived
in Aguascalientes.

Guillermo Figueroa Strecker

"Padr

Comment

I read where Josie Trevino is looking for LIENDO and DE LA ROSA.

There are a few people living in Brownsville,TExas, with those last names, but dont't know if they are related to your family. There was a Juan Liendo. Josefa Liendo is the mother of Texas State Senator Eddie Lucio, and I understand they have done extensive research on their family, butdon't know if it is on the LIENDOS OR the
LUCIOS.

JUANITA G. DELGADO

Hi Bill!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Bill
Figueroa
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:47 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos]"Padrón de población de Aguascalientes",
compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja

Hi Josie,

I'll let you know what I find later during the week.

Bill

Hi Bill!

Josie in San Antonio

According to the book by Jesús Gómez Serrano "Los españoles en
Aguascalientes durante la época colonial", in 1792 visiting dignitary José
Menéndez Valdés compiled a population census of the district of Guadalajara,
which underlines the importance that Aguascalientes had as a final
destination for many spanish and portuguese immigrants. Along the same
lines, the local "padrón de población" compiled by Félix Calleja in 1792,
confirms the data gathered by Menéndez Valdés and includes the name,
origin, age and occupation of european immigrants or "españoles" that lived
in Aguascalientes.

Guillermo Figueroa Strecker

"Padrón de población de Aguascalientes", compiled in 1792 by F

Comment

Hi Juanita!

Yes, there are some people in Brownsville and the area named LIENDO but I
have already researched all the "recent" Liendos.......I am now trying to
find the "really old ones" from the 1600s and early 1700s......:-) I met
with Senator Eddie Lucio's sister a few years ago and we compared our
research. Actually we all come from the same elusive 1700 ancestor......I
have been working on this one for years.....with no luck. Thanks for the
info......I appreciate your interest. I am also doing extensive research in
the Brownsville/Matamoros area.....are you from there? I have about 10
different lines from that area, mostly in the early to mid 1800s.

Thanks again!

Josie in San Antonio

-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of juanita
delgado
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 3:59 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] "Padrón de población de Aguascalientes",
compiled in 1792 by Felix Calleja

I read where Josie Trevino is looking for LIENDO and DE LA ROSA.

There are a few people living in Brownsville,TExas, with those last names,
but dont't know if they are related to your family. There was a Juan
Liendo. Josefa Liendo is the mother of Texas State Senator Eddie Lucio, and
I understand they have done extensive research on their family, butdon't
know if it is on the LIENDOS OR the
LUCIOS.

JUANITA G. DELGADO

Many Thanks

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History, Culture and General Discussion

Dear Ranchos Members;

I would like to take this opportunity to thank each and everyone of you for your contributions whether major or minor to this group. You know something is great when you cannot imagine life before you had it. It's like the microwave or the toaster, they just sit there on your counter and you may choose to use it or not but when you need it and it's not there you know you have to have it. All of you are like my microwave, or toaster, each a different brand, color, size and shape but useful and indispensable none the less. I can't imagine life without Nuestros Ranchos and that means "YOU"

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Many Thanks

Comment

I second that!

Alicia Carrillo wrote: Dear Ranchos Members;

But most of all I owe a big Abrazo to Joseph Puentes and Arturo Ramos, Joseph for having a vision of an on-line Genealogical Group and for making his vision a reality and Arturo for taking The Ranchos Group and turning it into the Mega Nuestros Ranchos that it is today. Arturo and Joseph are each forward and optimistic looking individuals and while I don't personally know you Arturo, I thank you for all you have done in 2006 for Nuestros Ranchos. I know I can't begin to imagine how much work this is for each of you.

I know there are others who have made substantial contributions to this group in support of our common goal, to search for our ancestors and learn of our history, you know who you are and my hat off to all of you!

The stockings were hung by the chimney with care...................May your stockings be filled with great love and much joy!!
Happy Christmas to all and to all a good night.............Feliz Navidad a todos!!

Su Amiga,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz, Esparza, Jauregui, Muños, Muños, Olazaba, Ortega de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif.

Thank you for your kind words and support

Comment

I greatly appreciate all of the kind words, but I must say that I have received a great deal more from this group than what I have given. I sincerely appreciate the effort that everyone has put into making this group what it is. I can't imagine that I would have gotten as far with my research as I have without the guidance of my primos in this group.

Many Thanks

Comment

Alicia,

That is great. You articulated the feelings we all have for what Joseph and Arturo have done with Nuestros Ranchos.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Many Thanks

Dear Ranchos Members;

Su Amiga,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz, Esparza, Jauregui, Muños, Muños, Olazaba, Ortega de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif.

Many Thanks

Comment

Alicia, you have the gift of words to express what most of us feel about Joseph and Arturo's efforts in giving us a forum for research to reclaim our families..

My thanks and best wish's to you both as well as the rest of my primos on this site.
Abrazos, Linda in Everett

Emilie Garcia wrote:
Alicia,

That is great. You articulated the feelings we all have for what Joseph and Arturo have done with Nuestros Ranchos.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
----- Original Message -----
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:40 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Many Thanks

Dear Ranchos Members;

Su Amiga,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos, Aguayo, Ruiz, Esparza, Jauregui, Muños, Muños, Olazaba, Ortega de Carrillo
San Jose, Calif.

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