Nuestros Ranchos Site

Okay folks remember now:

if it has to do with our research in our area of research put it on the
research@nuestrosranchos.org list

if it has to do with our Announcements of some sort related somehow to
our area of research put it on the announce@nuestrosranchos.org list

if it has to do with General Topics related to genealogy in our area of
research put it on the general@nuestrosranchos.org list

So all those "Diego Delgadillo" emails that were in the general list
should actually be in the research@nuestrosranchos.org list

if someone happens to notice a thread starting or continuing on the
wrong list why not just change the address to the "right" address that
way you'll be doing your part to get the thread on the right list.

thanks,

joseph

Actually, I am not a descendant of Diego Delgadillo although I wish I were. ;-)

However, I have included auxiliary lines in my database as they connect through marriage, and it appears that almost everybody in Nochistlan is connected through marriage.

I've tried to be careful, but I know that there are mistakes in my work. I am getting better at research and documentation as I go. However, I was looking at the data that I have about Diego Delgadillo and Petronilla Islas and their children, and there are some discrepanices that you may want to clear up.

For example, according to the extracted record in the IGI, Xptoval Delgadillo was married to Fabiana Ramires on 31 JAN 1701 in Nochistlan (IGI Batch # M606256 -- Film # 0226725). However, according to José Luis Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías in his book, _Genealogía de Nochistlán Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales_, Diego Delgadillo was married to Fabiana Ramires.

The only records I can find at familysearch.org are patron-submitted sheets which are not primary sources. However, they also say that it was Diego who was married to Fabiana, but no source is indicated.

The film # 0224647 covering the years 1688 -1718 has not been extracted so someone would need to read the microfilm entry by entry to find the children's christening records in order to verify who is the correct couple.

I do not have access to that film nor do I live close to SLC, or I would feel compelled to scroll through it. I'd love to know what the rest of you find out.

Also, I do not know why I included the following child in the family of Diego and Petronilla:

JUANA RODRIGUEZ YSLAS -- IGI Batch # K600711 -- Film # 0226646
Parents: PEDRO RODRIGUEZ -- PETRONILA DE YSLAS
Christening: 27 DEC 1683 Nochistlan, Zacatecas, Mexico

Page 44 -- Note 1o (Capitulo 13): Genealogía de Nochistlán Antiguo Reino de la Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales by José Luis Vázquez y Rodríguez de Frías.

As you can see, I referenced it, but did not include an explanation. If it was the same Petronilla who was married to Diego, she would have been at least 44 and probably much older, perhaps even ten years older. 54 is not an impossible age, and she was obviously healthy as is evidenced by the number of children she birthed, but I'm uneasy including this Juana without more information. Does anyone have José Luis' book available who can site his reasoning.

~Deena~

okay so it's been awhile since we transitioned and started on the new
site, but the rules are the rules. I'm starting a long range call for
genealogies (Do you remember when you and I made that agreement for you
to send in your "representative tree" to the group?).

Well January is the deadline. NOTE: if you have already submitted your
genealogy in gedcom form or a report or link to your online work you
have satisfied the agreement so please don't email me asking if you are
okay, you know you are okay.

Come January 31, 2007 I'm going to go through and delete everyone's
membership who has not submitted their genealogies as per our agreement
when you joined the group. So slowly but surely start working on what
you are going to submit. REMEMBER no living relatives and preferably a
"Genealogy Report" in either .rtf or .doc format, but just in an email
is okay as well.

It would be great if you submitted a gedcom, but that is not necessary.
You can simply put your tie to our Research Area in an email and send it
to me or better yet build yourself a folder following the folder
examples found in the "files" --> "members genealogies" area of the
group. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14067

Don't panic January 31, 2007 is over 6 months away. . .

. . .anyway I'm a real cream puff. when the time comes I usually cave in
and give extensions if you communicate that you need an extension. Then
again those folks that don't communicate get the "Ax" without mercy.

Start thinking about it,

joseph

ps: Remember there is help available with the technical side of creating
your folder and uploading to it. All you need to concern yourself with
is your research.

pps: if there is someone in the group that feels comfortable translating
can you contact me if you have time to translate this email. I could do
it but I'm sure I would butcher it pretty good.

>
> Hi Pat,

You must've read my mind! I was just telling Irma earlier today that it
would be nice to create an e-mail distribution list for those of us who
descend from Diego Delgadillo to exchange data. I've counted: You (via
Tino), Irma, Maria Elena (Nena), Enrique, Olivia and me. Is Deena a
descendant also? I wasn't sure. Those of you interested say Aye!

Maria

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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 13:53:28 -0700
> From: "papagaia2"
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Delgadillo
> To:
> Message-ID: <005501c6ae9a$0e2266d0$cf3fe145@papagaia>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Hi Maria,
>
> This is wonderful, but I'm losing track of all our "primas/primos," that
> share common ancestry from Diego Delgadillo. Would be nice if a separate
> posting/file existed indicating the line of descent for each member that
> links with this ancestor.
> Thank you for the "heads up," about the patron submitted records on
> familysearch.org .
> Pat Silva Corbera
> Tracy CA
>
>

Aveces no mencionan los padres en las actas de matrimonio cuando ha
habido un matrimonio antes. En casos de viudos que se vuelven a casar,
no se mencionan los padres. Por ejemplo, si el novio es viudo y se
vuelve a casar, se hace mencion de su esposa y la fecha en que murio y
hasta donde fue el entierro.
En la acta de matrimonio de unos abuelos mios, los dos eran viudos y
solo mencionan los primeros esposos, las fechas en que murieron, y donde
fueron los entierros. No se mencionan los padres de los novios para
nada.

Irma Gomez Gtz de Lucero
Sacramento, California

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ramirez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA C?MARA Y MENOYO,
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:

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He buscado tanto en el IGI y en las mismas actas de Nochistl?n, pero en
algunas solo me da el dato de los testigos y no el de como se llamaban
sus padres. En el de Santiago Gallegos no se encontraron el acta DEL 04
DE MAYO DE 1735.

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:13:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alicia Carrillo
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA C?MARA Y MENOYO ,?=
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID: <20060722171358.93526.qmail@web81606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Puedes ordenar las informaciones matrimoniales para ese a?o. El numero
es el siguiente para Nochistlan.
Dentro de las informaciones matrimoniales no solo incluye los nombres de
los padres sino de los abuelos y ocho testigos, cuatro para el pretenso
y cuatro para la pretensa.

Informaci?n matrimonial 1734-1738 - FHL INTL Film [ 226759 ]

Buena Suerte,
Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo
San Jose, Ca

----- Original Message ----
From: Ramirez
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:49:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] DE LA C?MARA Y MENOYO,

He buscado tanto en el IGI y en las mismas actas de Nochistl?n, pero en
algunas solo me da el dato de los testigos y no el de como se llamaban
sus padres. En el de Santiago Gallegos no se encontraron el acta DEL 04
DE MAYO DE 1735.

Josie,

Is your line in the gedcom files? I would like to see where we tie.

I have 3 lines of Villarreals and 25 lines of Trevinos.
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from "Josie T. Trevino" : --------------

> Hi!
>
> I am also related to all those: Trevino, Banuelos, Zaldivar, Velasco,
> Onate, etc, etc. in Zacatecas as well as Sepulveda, Ayala and all the others
> from Nuevo Leon. My father's line (Trevino-Villarreal) originates in Nuevo
> Leon......My "brick wall" is in Zacatecas with the surnames "Liendo" and "De
> la Rosa"........two unusual names~!
>
> I just had foot surgery and will be housebound for a short while so I hope
> to get some genealogy done~!
>
> Ernie, I will see what I can do on those names you sent me, ok?
>
> Josie in San Antonio
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> [mailto:general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of M. Vallazza
> Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 6:01 PM
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
>
> Hi, Esther,
> some of your Zacatecas names are definitely related to mine--Zaldivar,
> Ba

Leticia,

I too have a Rafael Felix that was from the Tepetongo area. He was the brother of my ggg-grandfather Felipe Felix. Rafael was married to Gregoria Salazar who was also an ancestor of mine. Rafael's father Marcelino (married to Juana de Acevedo) used the surname Felix de Tinajero, and some descendants used the Felix or the Tinajero or both or they would alternate between the two every time they had a child baptized. Sometimes they would use their mothers' surnames which has made finding them a challenge. I see in the IGI that a member of the LDS church submitted a record for a Rafael Felix born "about 1766" in Salitrillo, Zacatecas.

My ancestors used the church at Tepetongo for baptisms and weddings, but they really lived at Salitrillo or Marecito. Perhaps this Marcelino Felix (Feliz/Felis) had a father or brother named Rafael also. They tended to name their sons after their fathers or brothers or uncles.

I would be anxious to see your family tree. Could you ask Arturo to upload it to the GEDCOM section? He has already uploaded mine. My other surnames are Olague, Suriano, Munos, Acevedo, Escobedo, Quijas, Salasar, Mata, de Aro, Lucio, Banegas, Alvares, Flores, Montes, Campos, Miranda, Vasques, Valdes, Ramires, de la Torre, Berumen, de Luna, Ortis.

Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---

Arturo,

Can you look up Hernando Arredondo Aguero or Juan Arredondo Aguero or Martin Zavala in the passenger lists for about 1630's?

Thank you!

Esther A. Herold
--
Esther A. Herold

-------------- Original message from arturoramos : --------------

>
> Enter "LOMELIN" in the first search field and then add another search field and
> enter "PASAJERO" These are just the listings for passengers to Mexico. There
> are many more mostly to Cartagena de Indias (Colombia).
>
> C

My name is Ruth Olivar Millan. My name was changed by my parents J.Luciano Olivar and Maria de Jesus Ramirez to "Ruth" after confusion developed in elementary school regarding all The Jose' and Maria's with the Olivar surname. I was born in the San Joaquin Valley Cal. My dad was born in Nebraska and most of my uncles and aunts were born in the Mid west. They were deported from the USA in the 30's to Mexico...Laos Altos where my father met my mother "Chuy la Huera' (from el Rancho de Santa Ysabel, Jalisco). there was an all call during WWII and my dad returned to the US.
On my tree I have Juan Olivar -Cresencia Padilla(Padilla goes back 3 more generations) married 1859 (and all their children) and cousins around San Juan de los Lagos Jalisco. His father was another Juan Jose Olivar (1939) on a boat from Europe to Puebla. Jose Ana Olivar married M. Tomasa Gonzales 1879 then took off to the states to build the railroad with M.Crecencia Gutierrez where they had several children (I have this and much more documented) including early photo.
My mother (Ramirez- Perez-Gonzales) was born on the Rancho de Santa Ysabel, Jalisco .(1920) to M. Ysabel Perez and Pio Ramirez. She was raised by her grandfather Cipriano Perez and his second wife M. ALejandra Gonzales.My mother was an orphan so things are based on rumors and cuentos. When Cipriano/ mama janda died she went to live with Domitila Perez, aunt married to a Reynoso that turns out to be related to my dad on the Padilla side.
I make a life time of "Family Tree" research very short. I have visited villages were people look exactly like me....and are really really are related.
By the way there is a lady way back in my tree that is a Gutierrez and her parents/father were Chon which is Chinese.....Most people got off the boat in.Vera CruzMexico.
I speak several Languages.

Peace, and I'm here to find family
Cuca

I am finishing up a manuscript on the historic ethnography of southern Zacatecas and Northern Jalisco coupled with my father's genealogy. It is written in Spanish and I am looking to self-publish the work so I need someone to do line/stylistic editing. If you or anyone you know might be interested in this work, please let me know. I am willing to pay, though I do not have much of a budget...

Estoy a punto de terminar un manuscrito sobre la etnografia historica del sur de Zacatecas y el norte de Jalisco que tambien trata la genealogia de la familia de mi padre. Esta escrito en castellano y pienso publicarlo yo mismo asi que necesito alguien que pueda editar/redactar por gramatica, ortografia y estilo. Si te interesa este trabajo a ti o a alguien quien tu conoces, por favor dejame saber. Estoy dispuesto pagar por el servicio, aunque no tengo mucho presupuesto.

Has anyone plotted out the various Maria Lopez de Elizaldes?

There must be a dozen of them. It is the single most confusing name in my family tree. Its hard to tell if a second marriage is for the same Maria Lopez de Elizalde, or for her daughter, niece, granddaughter...

A researcher in Aguascalientes sent me the following documents he says he persaonally searched in the Aguascalientes Archives. I recognize names in several trees....

Hola to all my Rancho's Primos
I am trying to get as much information about publishing one line of my family,
The SAAVEDRA/BALTAZAR line of Durango, Chihuahua & Texas. My question to the group is where do I start, what should I include. Any tips from our group would be welcomed! Sources, examples, sites or any personal experiences -seran bien recibidas. I read in a book that "Ir's not history until it's written" so I do want to write and print & share my work with my familia.
Yolanda Medina Perez
El Paso, Texas

Necesito ayuda para encontrar información de algunos ancestros míos en Nochistlán, Zacatecas. Entre ellos se encuentran Juan Manuel de la Cámara y Menoyo casado con María Teresa de Castañedo Cevallos; también busco información sobre Santiago Gallegos casado con María Magdalena López; así como de Cayetano Corona y Juana Teresa Caxigales.

Just a heads up, the film jumps back and forth between dates as it appears to
be the remnants of several books... however, within each remnant, the
marriages are in order. I am about a third of the way through and have gone
through three remnants... one beginning in 1629 and ending around 1642 and
then next beginning in 1677 and ending around 1685. The third begins in 1657
and ends ???

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From: scooterpie1968
Date: 2006/07/18 Tue PM 07:36:09 CDT
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Bergara Lines

Thanks Arturo...please don't go to any trouble! I'm going to order the films
to research, as well. Like I said, my earliest Bergara (Francisco Salvador)
appears in 1774 when he married Salvadora Godoy. They were married in
Tlaltenango de Sanchez Roman and I'm wondering if there is a connection to
the Bergara messages you're posting.....we'll see!

Peggy Delgado

http://www.kindredtrails.com/mexico.html

Looking for Leonarda Lujan born in 1800's in Sain del Alto Zacatecas. Any Lujans out there in rancho land? She only had one son which was my grandfather Jose. She died when he was a young man and he took care of her. My grandfather said she died of an illness called "flores blancas". Sometimes I wonder what it was like being a single unwed mother in the 1800's Mexico. What I find intriguing is how Jose was accepted by the Martinez Family. His Father Eduardo Martinez was married and his wife and kids treated my grandfather very well. My grandfather Jose Lujan married as a young man dont know his first wife's name she died giving birth and so did the child. Later he married my grandmother Maria Mendoza Castaneda. My grandmother Maria rememberd attending his wedding to his first wife when she was a young girl. She said she and her friends giggled as the young couple kissed. Leonarda Lujan had other sisters I would like to know who they were. If anyone has any info or where I
can search please let me know. I usually go by Lupe. I noticed there is another Maria so if you refer to me can you put Lupe1. Thank you

Sorry folks I've been sending out private emails to various ones trying
to get the Digest people to change the subject heading from Digest to
properly reflect the content of the email and here I've done the same
thing.

many apologies

joseph

>
> Hi Olivia,

It is great to count you in as another cousin. It looks like our closest
common ancestors are Diego and Petrona, while you and Tino share Mariana
Delgadillo as your closest common ancestor.

I descend from Diego and Petrona's daughter *Thomasa Delgadillo* m. Diego
Juarez > *Josepha Manuela Juarez* m. Nicolas Vazquez > *Rosa Maria Vazquez*
m. Francisco Xavier Delgado > *Jose Andres Delgado *m. Maria Luisa Alonso >
*Simona Delgado* m. Gregorio Perez > *Marciala Perez *m. Esteban Soto
> *Maximiano
Soto* (my great-grandfather)

Maria

> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 10:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Delgadillo Ancestry
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID: <20060719174720.5297.qmail@web50112.mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi Maria, Enrique & Tino,
> It appears that I too have a common line with you. My line descends from
> Petron de Islas>Mariana Delgadillo>Mariana Flores de Medrano>Maria Diaz
> Montanez>Juana Josepha Gonzalez>Juan Baptista Sandoval>Maria Rumualda de
> Guadalupe Sandoval & Joseph Theodoro Jauregui>Salvador de J??uregui>Jose
> Victoria X??uregui-my great-grandfather.
>
> Olivia Jaurequi-Reyes
> Rowland Hts, CA
>
> Maria Cortez wrote: This is great. It's the second
> time I find the same common line with two
> different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Casta???eda line from
> Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.
>
> Maria
>

Sorry to eavesdrop; however, I found this message of special interest. If
Sonora is mentioned, you have my undivided attention.To date I have been
able to trace my TISNADO line to the marriage of Juan Domingo Tisnado and
Ma. Magdalena Contreras in 1736 in Magdalena, Sonora. As shown by a later
padrón, he is listed as being of the presidio de Túbac. In addition, forty
years later his son, Juan José Tisnado, is listed in the muster rolls of the
presidio de Tucsón.

Regarding the surname Ortega, I have found numerous instances of
intermarriage between the TISNADO, ORTEGA and LISARRAGA. This marriages
ocurred in the area of the presidio de Altar.

George

> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 10:23:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: NathanJones
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Romo & Rangel across Aguascalientes,
> Jalisco, Chihuahua, Nayarit and Sinaloa.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
> Dear cousins:
>
> I just got this email from a gentleman in Aguascalientes who is
> researching our same lines. He must have run across my homepage. As I
> understand his message Diego Romo de Vivar ranged over a wider area than
> we anticipated, not extending his lifestyle to Hidalgo del Parral,
> Chihuahua alone, but reaching as far north in Nueva Biscaya as Villa
> Ahumada, which he founded.
>
> If you've never been there, I highly recommend Villa Ahumada. It's the
> town that cheese built. I think Menonite Cheese, but in any case a soft,
> moist, white cheese served on a fresh hand made tortilla.
>
> Out of this world! Vendors sell them to passing cars, trains,
> busses....pedestrians! They probably sold them to passing wagon trains.
>
> All decades before Pollo Loco!
>
> Ernie: dame un poco m?s de informaci?n sobre los Romo de Vivar: Diego y
> Pedro. Te informo que Diego estuvo unos a?os en Chihuahua como
> colonizador
> y fund? lo que ahora es Villa Ahumada.. Es probable que haya dejado
> descendencia fuera de matrimonio por all?. Hay un estudio interesante de
> ese
> episodio.Tengo documentado que se cas? en Aguascalientes, no en Espa?a.
> Pedro estuvo en Alamos, Sonora tambi?n como colonizador, pero al parecer
> volvi? ya viejo a Teocaltiche, Jalisco. Es fundador de la mayor?a de las
> l?neas geneal?gicas de Los Altos de Jalisco y de ah?, de las de Sonora y
> Sinaloa. Tengo la hip?tesis de que vinieron a Am?rica por que son primos
> hermanos del Capit?n Juan Rinc?n de Vivar y el Presb?tero Pedr? Rinc?n (de
> Vivar) de Ortega, poderos?simo personaje que fund? el mayorazgo de los
> Rinc?n-Gallardo. Es probable que los Romo hayan venido a ayudar a los
> primos
> ricos y luego que sirvieron a la corona como colonizadores en las
> fronteras
> de los chichimecas, se asentaron en esta regi?n como propietarios. Est?
> documentado (Archivo hist?rico de Aguascalientes, 1654), que ambos
> estuvieron un tiempo en la costa de lo que ahora es Nayarit, junto con
> otros
> colonos del centro de Nueva Galicia, defendiendo la costa de los ataques
> piratas.
> Saludos

I'm getting the following message when I attempt to access the Gedcom file database.
Pat Silva Corbera

TNG Genealogy Database
Service Temporarily Unavailable
The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later.

In an earlier message, Patricia brought up the topic of nicknames, which in Spanish are known as "apodos." She asked whether such nicknames were common among Mexican people. My answer would be a resounding yes.

In fact, as a child growing up in Los Angeles, it was rare that my siblings, cousins or I would refer to each other by our real names. We all had apodos for each other. The nicknames tended to be physically descriptive, often derogatory on the surface and always clever...

Among my sibling there was "la larga", "la chaparra", "el molanche", "el prieto", "el guero", "la flaca" and "el gordo"

You see the dichotomies... I was "el prieto" and my younger brother, who is much fairer than me was "el guero". We also had other names... some of mine: "R2D2", "Tulipan", etc.

I had cousins who were "la titi" (who stuttered as a child and whose father--also a stutterer--was known as "tartajas") and "la pollo" who was pigeon-toed, etc.

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if "del Refugio" or"de Jesus" etc are last names or middle names. For eg. Maria del Refugio Pena Lopez and Jose del Refugio Jimenez. I'm not sure then that I have Jose's mother's last name. The same thing with de Jesus. I have a Jose de Jesus Hernandez and a Maria de Jesus Hernandez. In this case, am I missing both their mothers' last names? or are they related?

Lavaniya

On the subject of nicknames or apodos....

Gotta chime in. In my extended family we had several Franciscos. My
uncle was Tio Pancho, my cousin was Quico or Kiko, his son by the same
name was known as El Guero.--Probably to differentiate all of them. I
have also heard Paco for Franciscos, not for Enriques--don't believe we
have any in my extended family with that name, so who knows...
We also have several Maria de la Luz. We called my aunt Tia Quica or
Kika, while my sister and several cousins with the same names were
either Luz or Lucha. Sometimes my sister is also known as La Prieta
(the dark one) too. Come to think of it, our cousins with the same name
have light hair and skin. By the way, she's not even morena, but
blanca--dark hair, pale skin. I think my parents just wanted to call
her that with affection, and to differentiate from all of the Ma. De la
Luz' in the family. My brother in law who was Anglo thought this was
funny, especially since he and my sister were of the same coloring. I
understand that my aunt was Kika or Quica because my father couldn't
pronunciate her name as a child. Also they would differentiate them as
Lucha la de Tonio(Antonio) or Lucha la de Coco (Ma del Socorro), or
Lucha la de Luz, etc., Almost sounds biblical, huh? My youngest
brother, Antonio was called El Negro. Again he would be perceived as
blanco, but the cousins with the same name were lighter skinned--one we
also called El Guero. Here we had to sometimes go back to biblical...
Guero el de Coco and Guero el de Quico......

>> Jesus = Chuy
>>
How about Pepe Chuy for the Jose de Jesus'. We used to call my cousin
that to make him mad.... Kind of sounds like Billy-Bob, huh?

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Message: 26
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:11:35 -0700
From: "Maria Cortez"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Diego Delgadillo
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Message-ID:
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>
> Hi Nena (Maria Elena),

It looks like your Diego Delgadillo is the son of our Diego Delgadillo.
According to my database I was showing 8 children born to Diego
Delgadillo
and Petrona de Yslas. In order of birth: Mariana 1655, Thomasa 1657 (my
ancestress), Bernardino 1659, Juan 1668, Catarina 1670, Maria 1672,
Agustin
1674, and Christobal 1677. As you can see, there is a gap between
Bernardino and Juan where Diego fits in quite nicely. I looked him up on
the
IGI and it did show that he was the son of Diego and Petrona. I have
just
added your Diego to my database.

Is this Diego your direct ancestor? If so, we are cousins once again!

Maria

Count me in on that one. So my Diego's parents were: Diego
Delgadillo & Petrona Yslas? If so, could you please elaborate what you
have on them and their ancestors. This is so exciting.

Diego Delgadillo & Fabiana Ramirez de Mendoza were also my 7th Great
Grandparents: Diego Delgadillo + Fabiana Ramirez de Mendoza>Petronila
Delgadillo + Juan de Dios Gtz de Mendoza>1: Maria-Esmeregilda
Gutierrez-de-Mendoza + Cristobal-Santiago Macias-Valadez> Maria-Cayetana
Macias + Vicente-Ferrer Gomez into my Gomez line... AND
>2: Jose-Fernando Gutierrez-de-Mendoza + Andrea-Josefa Macias-Valadez>
Maria-Micaela-de-San-Joseph Gutierrez + Jose-Bernardo Perez-de-Paredes<
AND through two of their children--one who married into my Gomez line
(again) & the other who continued the Perez line---all direct lines.
I'll elaborate with those who are interested. Just email me directly:
igomezlucero@csus.edu

My Whole Dollar.
Irma Gomez Gutierrez de Lucero
Sacramento, CA

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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 18:46:16 -0700
From: "Maria Cortez"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] General Digest, Vol 6, Issue 15
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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>
> Hi Olivia,

It is great to count you in as another cousin. It looks like our
closest
common ancestors are Diego and Petrona, while you and Tino share Mariana
Delgadillo as your closest common ancestor.

I descend from Diego and Petrona's daughter *Thomasa Delgadillo* m.
Diego
Juarez > *Josepha Manuela Juarez* m. Nicolas Vazquez > *Rosa Maria
Vazquez*
m. Francisco Xavier Delgado > *Jose Andres Delgado *m. Maria Luisa
Alonso >
*Simona Delgado* m. Gregorio Perez > *Marciala Perez *m. Esteban Soto
> *Maximiano
Soto* (my great-grandfather)

Maria

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Subject: Unsubcribe from Nuestros Ranchos Group
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:09:04 -0400 (EDT)
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Please unsubscribe me from your very busy list. Thank you.

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I just got this message from a brand new member. the list has been
pretty busy these last few days, but just in case anyone else was
considering a move like this I would strongly recommend not
unsubscribing but first going to the "digest" version of the list which
is one email per day with all the activity that took place that day from
all the members OR even going to "no mail" and you can just login and
check the email when you have a change online.

let me know if you need help doing any of this but really all you need
to do is:

1) login

2) go to "my account"

3) go to my "my mailing lists"

4) make changes and "save"

joseph

Some of the nicknames are short hand for their ancient predecessors.

Such as Pepe, which is derived from the Italian/Latin predecessor of Jose, Guiseppe.

I read that there's a town in northern Potugal where the people still speak Latin.

Some Filipinos don't even know what their Spanish names mean. I met a nurse named Corazon, who didn't know that meant heart. Her nickname was Cory.

An abbreviation that threw me was Xtobal. It took me a while to figure out it was Cristobal. The X standing for the cross, as in our own Xmas.

I suppose the name Primitivo had another meaning rather than a direct translation as primitive.

---- aajay1073 wrote:
>
> I have always found it curious where some nicknames come from. I understand nicknames when they are a shorter version of the original name or as Emilie says, a childs version of name (but those names are not standard). The standard nicknames seem to not even be related to the orignal name like:
>
> Refugio = Cuca
> Jose = Pepe
> Juan = Paco
> Francisco = Pancho
> Jesus = Chuy
>
> Today, I think many people with hispanic names are either translating there name, ie
>
> Carlos = Charles
> Diego = James
> Esperanza = Hope
>
> Or they just pick the closest name to their original name:
> Hilario = Larry
> Jesus = Jesse
>
> Which by the way, Jesus translates to Joshua. And I don't think Refugio translates to Ruth. Sounds more like they just picked the closest 'R' name.
>
> Just my two centavos,
> Angie Godina
>