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Many of the wild card searches work when you enter a batch number. For
example, when I use the batch where you are getting all of your results
and simply enter "Puentes" for the father's last name, I get the
following. Victoriana is certainly their daughter... the old Jose and
Maria thing. I always check using Jose for the father and using Maria
for the mother. Amazing how often that brings up more children.

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Father: Puente
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International Genealogical Index / Mexico - 9
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1. VICTORIANA PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 03 JUN 1835 Santa Maria De Los Angeles,
Jalisco, Mexico

2. BONIFACIO PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 28 JAN 1853 Santa Maria De Los Angeles,
Jalisco, Mexico

3. FELICIANA PUENTES - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 14 FEB 1849 Santa Maria De Los Angeles,
Jalisco, Mexico

4. JOSE MARIA PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 03 NOV 1847 Santa Maria De Los Angeles, Jalisco,
Mexico

5. MARIA GENARA PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 04 JUL 1832 Santa Maria De Los Angeles,
Jalisco, Mexico

6. MARIA DEL REFUGIA PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 26 FEB 1835 Santa Maria De Los Angeles,
Jalisco, Mexico

7. MARIA SALOME PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 21 APR 1849 Santa Maria De Los Angeles,
Jalisco, Mexico

8. CECILIO PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 17 MAY 1843 Santa Maria De Los Angeles, Jalisco,
Mexico

9. MARIA CONCEPCION PUENTE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 15 MAY 1844 Santa Maria De Los Angeles,
Jalisco, Mexico

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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Puentes
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:12 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] WildCards ???

I'm trying to get the hang of Using WildCards in doing searches on
www.familysearch.org

Nathan,

Thanks for that information, now where do we go or who do we contact to volunteer for the Spanish speakers and readers of documents for the digitizing project.

Thanks,
Alicia Carrillo,
San Jose, Ca

NathanJones wrote:

I was told this morning by a Mormon Elder that the digitizing of the films in the Salt Lake City Repository is proceeding well. A process begun two years ago.

He told me that the first digitized films will be online shortly, and that they will be closing many Family History Centers, consolidating them since everything will be online soon. The remaining consolidated FHC's will be mostly for people without Internet access.

I was informed that the second Beta testing of the new software to view the films is nearing a successful conclusion.

I was told volunteers are needed who read Spanish to help index the digitized films. If you volunteer you can work from your home.

He said it took twenty years to index the 1880 census, so the indexing of the huge LDS film collection will take longer than the actual digital filiming.

I could not pin him down on how soon is soon, but I would not be surprised to see original documents online later this year.

This will of course, be an incredible leap forward for our purposes, and genealogy in general.

That is great news. I too have been told that they plan on closing down a lot of the family history centers soon. My local FHC recently got a whole new set of state of the art computers and wired for high speed internet access... presumably so that the films online will be accessible to patrons.

I did not realize that they would be rolling out the digital films so quickly. I imagine that the polyester films (and corresponding ordering process from the FHCs) will still be needed for a few years until they finish the filming process.

Does anybody know if they will be using the same indexing format as currently exists for films (IGI or VRI)? If so, which one? If not, what improvements or changes will be made to the indices?

thanks. Here is a related link that I think is a search engine for the
material they already have finished. Not much there for Mexico yet, but
I did notice they have a survey. Maybe if we all did the survey and said
"Do Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes First, please" that we might
be able to get some attention to our wishes.

http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/ (search engine---try putting in Mexico under
"search all")

http://express.perseus.com/perseus/surveys/1734848031/6a0e74ac.htm (survey)

I hope they don't close my FHC as I have about many films on permanent
hold and the nostalgia of rolling a film will be something I'll always
remember. Especially thinking back to those times my heart was doing
backflips when I found my grandparents and great grandparents and my ggg
grandmother, Eduarda Torres Marquez' death certificate.

joseph

NathanJones wrote:

>I was told this morning by a Mormon Elder that the digitizing of the films in the Salt Lake City Repository is proceeding well. A process begun two years ago.
>
>He told me that the first digitized films will be online shortly, and that they will be closing many Family History Centers, consolidating them since everything will be online soon. The remaining consolidated FHC's will be mostly for people without Internet access.
>
>I was informed that the second Beta testing of the new software to view the films is nearing a successful conclusion.
>
>I was told volunteers are needed who read Spanish to help index the digitized films. If you volunteer you can work from your home.
>
>He said it took twenty years to index the 1880 census, so the indexing of the huge LDS film collection will take longer than the actual digital filiming.
>
>I could not pin him down on how soon is soon, but I would not be surprised to see original documents online later this year.
>
>This will of course, be an incredible leap forward for our purposes, and genealogy in general.

I'm not sure how Yahoo messenger works, but can't you have a chat
through Messenger with a group?

We'd need to announce it and plan on a good time. but I don't see why we
can't try to get a chat going. I'm not a chat person, but will try it a
few times and if others in the group want to get in on it that will be
great.

joseph

ps: what about Saturday Night at 7 pm Pacific Time

francisco sevilla wrote:

>Is there a possibility of adding a live "chat" service to exchange thoughts among the members? Francisco
>
>

Moctezuma's children : Aztec royalty under Spanish rule, 1520-1700 by Donald E Chipman

Type: English : Book
Publisher: Austin : University of Texas Press, 2005.
ISBN: 0292706286
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Subjects: Montezuma -- II, -- Emperor of Mexico, -- ca. 1480-1520 -- Genealogy. | Moctezuma, Isabel, -- 1509-1550 -- Genealogy. | Aztecs -- Kings and rulers -- Genealogy. | More ...
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Joseph Puentes wrote:
Who in CA has access to WorldCat? Please look up this ISBN number
(below) and send me the list of California Libraries that carry the
book. My access to WorldCat for some reason only gives a partial list of
the libraries that carry books and then it only gives the locations here
in NC and moves out. Most times when a book is located in several
hundred libraries i only get East Coast results.

if so can you do a search of this ISBN: 0292706286 for this book:

Moctezuma's Children-Aztec Royalty Under Spanish Rule, 1520-1700.
Author Donald E. Chipman ISBN 0-292-70628-6
Donald E. Chipman is Professor Emeritus of History at the University of
North texas in Denton.

I'm interested in what CA libraries carry it

joseph

Nathan;

Welcome to the group. The MOCTEZUMA line sounds fascinated. You should have
a lot to add to the group.

Bienvenido!!!!!

susana leniski

Thank you for bringing Las Primeras Mujeres to my attention.

I read through every entry trying to find my ancestor, Maria Rangel crossed over from Spain with her husband Diego Romo de Vivar in the first half of the 1600s, but I didn't find them in this resource.

Hi Maria:

I am just wondering how somebody came up with Brentwood as the location for
the NorCal meeting in July. What a great idea! My wife has relatives in
Antioch and I have one brother in Stockton and one near Lodi. It looks like
if I decide to go, I can kill two birds with one stone, meet my "Primas
Norteñas" and visit my family.

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Joseph:

Is there any way that you can post the Platt Census document as a PDF in the files section? It is very difficult to read and even moreso to print in the current format.

John:

There are two machines in the Washington DC (Kensington, MD) FHC. One is the old analog type like the one that Joseph describes and the other is the one that you describe.

Unfortunately, we are not allowed to make ANY adjustments to the quality of the scan once the scanner feeds it to the PC nor to save scanned images. The scan automatically gets sent to the printer.

I will bring up this privilege which you have with my local FHC because I would much rather have scans than printouts anyhow. That is why I switched to the use of a digital camera.

thanks John.

I'll pass on my equipment purchase request to my FHC. I know that the
two FHC close to me don't have that kind of set up. We just have a
viewer that you roll the film onto and it has these marks on the screen.
Anything within those marks will be copied when you click on the button.
There are two lenses so you can make the image larger or smaller with
some adjustment larger/smaller on each individual lense as well.

thanks,

joseph

gnzlzspd wrote:

>Joseph:
>
>The equipemt being used at the Murrieta, Ca. Family History Center is:
>Canon Microfilm Scanner 300, coupled to an HP compaq computer with an HP Laser Jet 1320 Printer.
>Almost any PC can be used, including laptops. A memmory stick or a CD can be used to take the records home and viewing them at your leisure on your own PC.
>
>I was told that the same equipment is available at quite a few of the FHC's
>
>John Gonzalez
>Wildomar, CA.
>
>

Josie T. Trevino wrote:

>Please let me know if anyone is interested in staying at the Plaza Hotel.
>Mr. Williams has attached a contract
>

the new site doesn't allow attachments. So if this contract is needed
you can do two things:

1) email it to individuals (Recommended)

2) upload it to the website so people can download it.

thanks,

joseph

Hi Joseph:

I was under the impression that ALL the films would be someday digitized.
Are the Notario films being excluded?

You estimate that it would take about 10 years to get approximately 10% to
20% of the films researched. I am just wondering, can these films be
digitized within that time frame? Is there a way to find out? We wouldn't
have to rent them out and researching them would be a breeze from our own
home with our PC's. Just a thought...

John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
1gnzlz@verizon.net

Joseph,

I believe that before we begin ordering films for this project for each individual, it might be best to request the films for Salt Lake and when some of us go to the conference in October, we can view some these films, identify the content, report back to the group and depending on the findings, determine if the effort is warranted?

What's your thought on this? Just a suggestion..........Alicia

Joseph Puentes wrote:

Dear Nuestros Ranchos researchers,

I just went to the Guadalajara section of the FHL catalog and counted
how many films are in the Notario Section ( México, Jalisco, Guadalajara
- Notarial records
)
There are 1,241 films. As far as I know they are just listed by date and
some give the name of Notario and no information is given as to what
locations they cover. I've understand that these films are a wealth of
information for us, but almost impossible to access since we'd have to
be ordering films and guessing as to which might cover our specific area
or research.

1) Does anyone know if there is a better catalog description for these
films anywhere?

2) Look at the example given below. See the notario named: José María
Anguiano Does anyone know how to research this specific notario? See if
we knew that he only covered Lagos de Moreno and San Juan de los Lagos
then any films by him should identified to those places.

3) I'm thinking of making some of these films into a project. Imagine if
everyone in the group ordered one film. And if all they did was scroll
from beginning to end giving the Area the film covered. Yes I think it
would be nicer if they could pull out the main surname of the person the
record was about, but at least the area being covered. If we got 62
volunteers to do one film each then that would be a whopping 5% of the
films in this Notario Collection. What if a few of us dug into this and
did 3 per year for the next 10 years and we got a few people both inside
and outside the group rolling on this, hey maybe we could have 10-20% of
these films described a little better within our lifetimes so future
generations would be more likely to look at them. Just imagine the 5th
generation of the Nuestros Ranchos group members thinking way way back
to the group as we know it now and thanking us for being willing to
start a work that we might not be able to benefit from. What do you guys
think? I for sure don't want to start something that someone else has
already done, but how do we find if this information is already
available? And if it is already available how do we get the FHL to
associate this info with these specific films?

Joseph Puentes
http://nuestrosranchos.org
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Title
Registros notariales, 1892-1900

Authors
Guadalajara (Jalisco). Notaría (Main Author)

Notes
Microfilm de manuscritos en el Archivo de Instrumentos Públicos en
Guadalajara.
El escribano de estos protocolos es José María Anguiano.

Subjects
México, Jalisco, Guadalajara - Notarial records

Format
Manuscript (On Film)

Language
Spanish

Publication
Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmado por la Sociedad Genealógica de Utah, 1959

Physical
2 rollos de microfilm ; 35 mm.

Film Notes
Note - Location [Film]
Protocolos 1892-1893,1896 - VAULT INTL Film [ 269810 Items 3-6 ]
Protocolos 1892-1900 (documentos) - VAULT INTL Film [ 269756 ]

© 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

Joseph:

I think that the project, as you propose it, is a bit too unwieldy. While I see the value in creating some sort of index for these records, I think the most valuable ones would be the ones from the 16th and 17th centuries when the church records are spotty.

I am thinking back about George Ryskamp's presentation at NARA where he spoke of the general difficulty with using notarial records and he was talking about their use in Spain, where most archives have already created indices.

If anything, perhaps this project should focus on the very early records. I also think that you should coordinate with the archivists in Guadalajara as they may be taking on an indexing project themselves. I know that in Tlaltenango, the municipality has begun such a project with all of the old notarial records they had in their posession which up until recently had been stashed away and were practically unknown to the world.

Maria, thank you for responding and I did what you said and I created an album! Now how do I delete the photo's that are not in the the album I created? Now I have double entries on those 4 photo's.. Joseph or Arturo, are you out there?? Am I the only one who's done this?

Linda Castanon-Long

Who lives there now? What kind of economy is there? My goodness, how sad to see this place. You're right in that the vistas there are lovely but how sad that there appears to be very little life in that place. Marge V.:)

I am interested in communicating with anyone with knowledge of La Noria de San Pantaleon and its people.

Furthermore I have pictures of this "pueblo fantasma" that I took one year ago. If anyone is interested I can upload a few pictures if it is OK with Joseph. It is a true ghost town with a very old cemetary right next to it.

Ed Serros

cool, cool project. . .I'd love to help, but but but, well, tell me is
it something along the realms of dataentry that you need help with or
will I need to order that film and transcribing. I don't get to the FHC
much these days so It would be hard for me to volunteer for something
that I might not get to for a long time.

. . .but if you have many digital photos of record that you need data
entered for well YES send me 25 and let's see how long it takes me to
get through that many records.

joseph

Arturo Ramos wrote:

>I have begun transcribing all of the paleography I have been doing on
>the Tlaltenango marriages film into the GEDCOM database. I have also
>been supplementing it from the IGI entries from the contemporary
>baptisms film and some information I have from the Jerez parrish
>registers also from the same time. It appears that many of these
>families would marry back and forth between the two towns. as would be
>expected given that they are so close. There are actually a few
>Colotlan marriages that I have run across as well, where the local
>priest in Tlaltenango would record a marriage that took place in
>Colotlan when one of the spouses was from his jurisdiction.
>
>
>
>Click on GEDCOM from the top menu to view. You can either search the
>database or list by surname. If anybody is interested in helping me get
>through the film, please let me know.
>

Anyone have a clue as to the difference between Momax and Tlaltenango films

It seems that Cuculiten is closer to Momax but I'm finding info in the
Tlaltenango films. I would guess that in realitiy it would be much safer
to check both sets of films for Cuculiten info. Is that the general
thought.

Would this be similar to folks living close to Santa Maria de Los
Angeles and then sometimes taking their church "business" to either
Huejucar or Colotlan instead?

just out of choice.

joseph

I totally agree with you Joseph. I was lucky to have gotten in that habit early on in my research and it has saved me a lot of re-work on multiple occasions. Once I found I had a death date for an ancestress that preceeded the birth of the children. I thought to myself; "What was I thinking?". I looked at the source I cited and realized it was the marriage date and I had simply typed in the date in the wrong box. Without knowing where I got the information I might've just deleted that date and gone back to square one or gone through my prints trying to find the original record. I have also found it's a good way to keep track of what records you've already looked through.

Maria

When I got the information from a film,in the source I add a few more
details,

1. Name of the library or Archives (example Family History Library).
Film number and name of the film (Example 1891 matrimonios de castas)
in the citation, I add the item number if applicable.

There is a good book on the subject, very easy and inexpensive

CITE YOUR SOURCES
By Richard S. Lackey

It is a small book with lots of examples.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0878052860/ref=ase_markcy…

Saludos

susana

I would add Item number if applicable to your sources