Nuestros Ranchos Site

has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.

I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara

joseph

Emilie:

My grandfather actually came through El Paso in 1908
and lived in Canadian, Texas, worked for the Panhandle
Railroad.  I have the census for Canadian, TX and at
that time there were about 50 to 60 Mexican families
just starting out in this small railroad town, they
moved north up through New Mexico and then into KS,
they also worked the beet fields in Nebraska during
the summer months, but always came back home to Kansas
City.  However, my grandfather had brothers after
leaving Canadian, TX that also went West to CA., to
live.  It's interesting to always find out but usually
when they came across it was with their neighbors they
had in Mexico that later became their neighbors in
Canadian, TX and so on, they kept their neighbors
close to them.  

I would say their migration was about survival and
their jobs, wherever their jobs took them, they had to
pack up and follow and for my grandfather it was the
railroad.  Emilie, try research immigration papers for
your family if you

Susana I feel confident that our Muro lines will end
up as being connected...since my line has ended in
Villanueva where I've hit my brick wall...I have a
feeling we will end up in Jerez very soon just have to
find where they will connect somewhere near La Troje,
I know we found Muro's in La Encarncion so we are very
close.



--- Susana Leniski  wrote:

> Joseph,
> 
> I din't get the attachments in this mail. I saw in
> the map the places that you mention. Definitly they
> are very close, and the names match. My line Del
> Muro ended in La Troje (very close to La
> Encarnacion).
> I don't know if you've seen the page from Salvador
> Cabral. It has some of my information that I sent
> him, but I belive that he made a mistake on the
> oldest records. Unfortunaly he doesn't include
> sources.
> 
>
http://usuarios.lycos.es/jerezacatecas/archivo/indexm/muro2/pafg01.htm
> 
> susana
> 


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On Jan 20, 2006, at 9:02 AM, Carol Turner wrote:

My story - I always wondered why do I live in Kansas?

Growing up in the late 60's and early 70's wasn't easy

at times.  My paternal grandparents were here by 1916

and my maternal in the early 1920's in the state of

KS.  In doing my research and going back in time, I

found many stories that touched my heart of what my

grandparents had sacrificed, suffered and what their

lives were like when they first got here...it wasn't

easy.  My parents were told they couldn't speak

Spanish in school and that we need to try to "fit in"

with the others.  I went from Mexican to being a

Chicana to being Mexican American or Hispanic is what

they call us now.  We lived on the Westside Community

until I was 4 and then moved to Rosedale in KS which

at that time was predominately

My story - I always wondered why do I live in Kansas? 
Growing up in the late 60's and early 70's wasn't easy
at times.  My paternal grandparents were here by 1916
and my maternal in the early 1920's in the state of
KS.  In doing my research and going back in time, I
found many stories that touched my heart of what my
grandparents had sacrificed, suffered and what their
lives were like when they first got here...it wasn't
easy.  My parents were told they couldn't speak
Spanish in school and that we need to try to "fit in"
with the others.  I went from Mexican to being a
Chicana to being Mexican American or Hispanic is what
they call us now.  We lived on the Westside Community
until I was 4 and then moved to Rosedale in KS which
at that time was predominately Anglo.  They sent me to
St. Agnes and I grew up in this community and
basically still in this community.  Things change over
the years, St. Agnes is now 35% Hispanic and the
numbers are going up.  We have more Hispanic
celebrations

Dear Alicia and Emilie:
Thank you so very much for sharing your experiences and insights 
regarding cultural identity.
Your remininiscences remind me of one of the first "rules" of 
genealogy - to always start with what you know best, yourself. For 
myself, it is advice I have NOT followed, though I am always quick to 
remind others. Perhaps one day ;)
I grew up in the 40's & 50's in southern California. Although I am 
sure I heard a lot of Spanish at home before starting school, and 
probably spoke with those family members who spoke no English, once I 
started school, English was all I spoke, and English was all my 
parents spoke to me, probably recalling punishments, etc, for 
speaking Spanish in school when they were growing up. So I am not 
bilingual, and I married a gringo (Anglo mongrel, with possibly some 
Cherokee). We have 5  children - three with a Spanish middle name, 
and two with first names, Laura and Elena. (The other middle names 
are Maria Silveria, Joaquin, and

Well said Ed, I had heard that before... maybe part of my problem is 
a feeling of unwarrented guilt, I'm not even sure of what!  All my 
ancestors ever asked of us was not to sully the name Castanon, no 
more no less.. not a word about where we came from but more about 
where we are going.. thank you for your well thought out input.
Linda in Everett

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Edward Serros"  wrote:
>
> --- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
>  wrote:
> >
> > I want to thank everyone for the input on double surnames...Many 
of
> us did not marry Hispanic but would have kept our 
> > maiden name regardless. Just like someone said, it's a matter of 
> > family pride..
> > 
> > One more question.. which is 'politically' correct to designate 
our 
> > nationality of origin if we or our ancestors were from Mexico... 
> > Hispanic, Latino, Mexican-American or American-Mexican?  I find 
I 
> > really upset some people when I call myself

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Erlinda Castanon-Long"
 wrote:
>
> I want to thank everyone for the input on double surnames...Many of
us did not marry Hispanic but would have kept our 
> maiden name regardless. Just like someone said, it's a matter of 
> family pride..
> 
> One more question.. which is 'politically' correct to designate our 
> nationality of origin if we or our ancestors were from Mexico... 
> Hispanic, Latino, Mexican-American or American-Mexican?  I find I 
> really upset some people when I call myself Hispanic. I'm told that 
> excludes my Indio blood... People ask me what my nationality is 
> because I'm just brown enough to not be Anglo but have light green 
> eyes, my sister get's the same thing and she has blue eyes and 
> freckles. I still laugh when told I don't look like a Mexican... what 
> does a Mexican look like!!!!
> 
> Linda in Everett

Linda,

I have debated for a number of days responding to this and I wish to
offend no one. In

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Susana Leniski"  wrote:
>
> I was looking at the census data of Dr. Platt. (the links is in
Ranchos). Some of the films that he talks about  for zacatecas and
Jalisco are as follows:
> 
>  Has anyone seen any of these films? What  type of information do
you find in them?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Susana Leniski
> 

Susana,

I have looked at a few of these. All of the ones I saw were not
indexed so you have to have the patience of a saint (so what is new in
genealgoy research) to find useful information. I did not find any of
my relatives but my time was limited given my sometimes very impatient
personality. What is useful is that you can see who was living with
whom, e.g. family nucleus, which included other relatives or whomever
with different surnames. Ages were also given but no data on parents,
grandparents, origins. Some of the towns were listed by street names
with residents of such.

As with most census records the government is simply

thanks Janet. This is fun. we should try to make the list 20-30 items
long. I've added a few at the end.

joseph

Janet Valeria Iglesias wrote:

1. No man is truly well-educated unless he learns to spell his name
at least three different ways within the same document. I resolve to
give the appearance of being extremely well-educated in the coming
year.

2. I resolve to see to it that all of my children will have the same
names that my ancestors have used for six generations in a row.

3. My age is no one's business but my own. I hereby resolve to never
list the same age or birth year twice on any document.

4. I resolve to have each of my children baptized in a different
church -- either in a different faith or in a different parish.
Every third child will not be baptized at all or will be baptized by
an itinerant minister who keeps no records.

5. I resolve to move to a new town, new county, or new state at
least once every 10 years -- just before those pesky