Nuestros Ranchos Site

The immigration issue in the United States goes beyond the Mexican and 
Canadian borders.  The quota's for European countries is much higher 
than for Africa, Asia, Mexico or South America. Granted that times are 
much more frightening for many Americans but this has been going on as 
long as legal immigration has been an issue. If your skin is light you 
have a much easier time getting into this country legally. Times are 
changing but sadly not on this issue.. 
Linda in Everett

Emilie,

The group has been rather quietly lately so I'm using this opportunity
to make an additional comment on the "Dialog of the Dead" play.  I
understand that it might not be directly related to genealogy but
since Joseph brought up the subject I hope nobody will complain.

I have previously expressed an opinion about one experience that could
be common among some of us that are in pursuit of our genealogical
roots:  the contrast between finding our dead relatives and finding
our living relatives.  Relations with our dead are so easy; they do
not prejudge us; they do not make any kind of demands; we just embrace
them as part of ourselves regardless of what, where or who they were
and that's the end of it.  Relations with the living, particularly
those distant living relatives that we rediscover thru our
genealogical endeavors, can be and often are very complicated.  And,
aren't we all related at some point back in time? 

Our prejudices and misconceptions of life usually get in the

I live walking distance to NARA.  I can probably make it over 
sometime this week and look at the film for you.

There was somebody else in the group that I had promised to look 
for.  Can you please help out my memory.  It was a few months back 
but I have not been back since then.


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Chris Pineda  wrote:
>
> I know that NARA has the following record available,
> but I was unable to determine if I can order it
> through my local family history center. It doesn't
> appear that I can.
> 
> "A3379. Nonstatistical Manifests Statistical Index
> Cards of Aliens Arriving at Laredo, Texas, May
> 1903-November 1929. 112 rolls. 16mm.---ROLL 77" 
> 
> at:
> http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html#a3379
> 
> I'd prefer not to pay $65 to NARA for a roll that I'm
> not even sure has information on my
> great-grandparents: Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
> Gonzalez. They came from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas to
> Laredo in the 1920s. Can anyone help

Thanks, Carol! Marge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 7:23 PM, Carol Turner wrote:

Marge, I'm not sure regarding our NARA records, it's

been almost two years since I've been there viewing

the Eagle Pass microfilm, and at that time they didn't

have El Paso films.  I was told to contact NARA in TX.

I may put in a call tomorrow and find out and I'll

keep you posted, they may have these films now.  I

hate to tell you this but Eagle Pass had about 26 or

more rolls of film, I'm sure I went through 4 rolls

just to check for Muro's in a three (1908-1911) time

frame.  When I call, I'll find out who has El Paso

films and how they are indexed. 



--- Margarita Vallazza wrote:



> Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records.

> The 1930 Census

> states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913

> and my grandfather

> in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records

> to come to KC's

> NARA or what?  Thanks.  Marge:)

> On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol

The following NARA site has extensive information on their Immigration 
Records for Mexican Border Crossings. There is a lot of information - 
and I recommend that you read it carefully, despite its length - it is 
comprehensive. I don't think there is an index. Please NOTE - the 
filming of these records has not been completed, and may take about 
another 8-12 months to complete.

The NARA site is:
     http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/immigration/border-mexico.html

ncc in VA

Marge, I'm not sure regarding our NARA records, it's
been almost two years since I've been there viewing
the Eagle Pass microfilm, and at that time they didn't
have El Paso films.  I was told to contact NARA in TX.
 I may put in a call tomorrow and find out and I'll
keep you posted, they may have these films now.  I
hate to tell you this but Eagle Pass had about 26 or
more rolls of film, I'm sure I went through 4 rolls
just to check for Muro's in a three (1908-1911) time
frame.  When I call, I'll find out who has El Paso
films and how they are indexed.  

--- Margarita Vallazza  wrote:

> Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records. 
> The 1930 Census 
> states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913
> and my grandfather 
> in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records
> to come to KC's 
> NARA or what?  Thanks.  Marge:)
> On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol Turner wrote:
> 
> > Joseph, this is a good topic.
> >
> >  Since I have my grandfather's

Carol, I thought our NARA here had El Paso records. The 1930 Census states that my grandmother came to El Paso in 1913 and my grandfather in 1918, so would I have to order 2 sets of records to come to KC's NARA or what? Thanks. Marge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Carol Turner wrote:

Joseph, this is a good topic.



Since I have my grandfather's application "Registry of

an Alien", and he has provided me with good dates, at

least I hope these are good dates.



This is what he wrote down on his application:



He arrived in the states Dec. 15, 1908

Destination was To Campo Echizos, TX.

He states he was coming to remain permanently

He was accompanied by -  My brother Juan Muro and two

friends

He arrived at the port of  - El Paso de Lajitas, TX

I do have his Alien Card number.  His wife my

grandmother Maximina Lopez arrived here May 20, 1907 -

Port of Entry - El Paso.



Here in Kansas City at our NARA they do not have El

Paso records, however they do have Eagle Pass, TX.

The

I know that NARA has the following record available,
but I was unable to determine if I can order it
through my local family history center. It doesn't
appear that I can.

"A3379. Nonstatistical Manifests Statistical Index
Cards of Aliens Arriving at Laredo, Texas, May
1903-November 1929. 112 rolls. 16mm.---ROLL 77" 

at:
http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/microfilm/2005.html#a3379

I'd prefer not to pay $65 to NARA for a roll that I'm
not even sure has information on my
great-grandparents: Nicanor Pineda and Emilia
Gonzalez. They came from Tlaltenango, Zacatecas to
Laredo in the 1920s. Can anyone help?

Chris Pineda

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My gr-grandparents and grandparents and relatives came through 
Laredo Texas in March 1916. They went from Jerez Zacatecas to 
Aguacalientes to catch the train but the trains had been knocked out 
so they walked and road on to Monterrey.In the recording of my 
grandfathers sister she says her father held all the money for the 
group and she, her husband and baby got separated. At the border 
they charged $5.00 to delouse the group before they could cross so 
after her parents and the rest of the family got through, Paula her 
husband Donaciano and baby had no money pay for delousing so they 
walked up the road and crossed the river, they found the rest of 
their family waiting on Texas side of the boarder. Once in Texas 
they worked as sheepherders and farm laborers, they learned 
armadillo taste like chicken. They were in Texas throu 1917 saving 
money to move on. Paula said sometimes people would be nice to them 
letting them camp on their land and have water, other times they 
were

Joseph, this is a good topic.

Since I have my grandfather's application "Registry of
an Alien", and he has provided me with good dates, at
least I hope these are good dates.

This is what he wrote down on his application:

He arrived in the states Dec. 15, 1908
Destination was To Campo Echizos, TX.
He states he was coming to remain permanently
He was accompanied by -  My brother Juan Muro and two
friends
He arrived at the port of  - El Paso de Lajitas, TX
I do have his Alien Card number.  His wife my
grandmother Maximina Lopez arrived here May 20, 1907 -
Port of Entry - El Paso.

Here in Kansas City at our NARA they do not have El
Paso records, however they do have Eagle Pass, TX. 
They don't have an index for Eagle Pass and hopefully
will purchase this because when you go through the
microfilm it's in date order everyone that came in
that day and year, it's not in alpha order and unless
you know the date it's looking for a needle in a
haystack.  

My question would be:  Since I have

Jofes, I never knew you were BORN in Mexico. Where were you born? Memarge:)

On Jan 22, 2006, at 6:03 AM, Joseph Puentes wrote:

depending on who's asking and what I'm feeling I'll ask the question

when asked what I am:



"Are you asking what my ethnicity is or what my nationality is?"



Most of the time I say I am Mexican born in San Jose, CA



I just move on and let them figure it out, but their next word better

not be, "But. . ." because then I'll give them a lesson about who was

here first and how Mexican people should not be considered "New" to the

United States. And who would they consider the true owners to be and how

would they feel about the ownership of property if someone stole it from

them.



And yes my skin can become pretty light especially over the winter when

I stay inside most of the time, but let me get out into my garden and I

almond up pretty good. But don't let anyone call me "white". . .one day

this black woman saw me eating Churches Chicken and she said,

The word Guadalajara is from the Arabic  Wad-al-hidjara, meaning "River Running Between 
Rocks"


Here is a good tongue twister about the town in Michoacan with the long name:

El otorrinolaringologo de Parangaricutirimicuaro se quiere 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizar porque si no se 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizara lo van a 
desotorrinolaringologoparangaricutirimicuarizar.

"The eye-ear-nose-throat doctor in Parangaricutirimicuaro wishes to stop practicing in 
Parangaricutirimicuaro because if he doesn't stop practicing in Parangaricutirimicuaro they 
will make him stop practicing in Parangaricutirimicuaro

--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, "Steve G. Apodaca"  wrote:
>
> Indeed, the only correct way to pronounce Guadalajara is as it is 
> read (in Spanish).
> 
> However, in Jalisco, many, especially young people, refer to 
> Guadalajara as Guanatos. This word sounds horrible, and is totally 
> incorrect. Still, I lived in Jalisco for 15

I'm in contact with a fellow podcaster who has a podcast on "Ports of
Entry." (http://homepage.mac.com/ms5/POE/) Basically a lot of info on
immigration records. Great for us to learn more on this subject.

I know it has nothing to do with our specific area but if you have
questions that I might be able to incorporate into an interview I'd
appreciate your help.

What do you want to know on this subject?

thanks,

joseph

Indeed, the only correct way to pronounce Guadalajara is as it is 
read (in Spanish).

However, in Jalisco, many, especially young people, refer to 
Guadalajara as Guanatos. This word sounds horrible, and is totally 
incorrect. Still, I lived in Jalisco for 15 years and I 
heard "Guanatos" a lot.

I use it every now and then. I don't know the origin of it, but I 
suppose people say it just to abbreviate because "Guadalajara" is a 
long word.

Saludos.

Steve

PS. By the way, talking about long words, last september, on my 
honeymoon in Michoacan, my wife and I visited a place called San 
Juan Parangaricutirimicuaro. (No kidding).


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.
> 
> I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara
> 
> joseph
>

Hello Joseph,

If you mean Spanish pronunciation, there is just one correct way to
pronounce the word Guadalajara.

(gwädä-lä-härä)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=guadalajara

Victor


--- In ranchos@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Puentes  wrote:
>
> 
> has anyone heard of alternate pronunciations of Guadalajara.
> 
> I heard someone say something like: Guaclacacara
> 
> joseph
>